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Reposting from previous thread.
>What DAW do you use?
>http://strawpoll.me/6431854
>http://strawpoll.me/6431854
>http://strawpoll.me/6431854
https://clyp.it/hhm20pjf
What do from here, also how was everyone's New Years?
>>61440934
Nigga, you expect me to listen to ALL of it?
>>61440912
i already voted anonfriend. interested to see where this is at in a couple days, or weeks, or better yet months
>>61440912
I use several daws though.
hi guys
I've recently started getting into Ableton Live 9, I know the basics and I could make a song (obviously amateur level), but I have a problem: I have no idea where go.
Do you guys do anything for inspiration?
Do you guys sometime have trouble just sitting down and working on your projects?
>>61440985
When I first saw this in the other thread, I thought they were copper mugs and that you're getting drunk, Slav style
>>61441025
think of your painful inadequacies in life and then invent a fantasy of how and in which ways you'll overcome them. score the whole process like a film
>tfg no gf
>tfw no money
>tfw clubfoot
>tfw aspie
>tfw alcoholic
>tfw crooked peanus
>tfw nothing to offer the world
>>61441025
Might help to set up musical engineering challenges. Like, 'shit, it would be really hard to make this sound', then do it. When the inspiration hits, you'll be able to get it down right.
>>61440912
>no Renoise
Really, faggot?
>>61441078
heh, that would be pretty cool
hi /prod/
what do you guys do to record vocals? It's no issue to make beats and instrumentals with midi and samples, but I have no idea what to do for vocals
>>61441155
>get microphone
>click record button
>talk
>tfw know exactly how a synth patch should sound
>tfw no idea how to start creating it
>>61441155
mi crophone usually helps
>>61441181
>>61441211
I'm retarded -- no, I meant what do you do to remove static, what equipment and location and so on
>>61441208
SERUM
E
R
U
M
Get to know it front to back
Apparently like 90% of the sounds on Worlds were just made from Serum
>6 months ago
>make an ep out of demos i recorded onto cassette
>submit it to a lo-bit label to release in 32kbps mp3
>completely forget about it over the next 6 months
>they finally release it to my surprise
>listen to it
>i'm not satisfied with any of the tracks any more
just once please god let me be satisfied with something i release publicly
>>61440912
>reaper not listed
ya blew it
>>61441155
tascam tm-80 mic and an old firewire interface senpai
>>61441240
>Worlds
Literally what?
In my case a sampler would be probably preferable, but then I have to think of finding the right source sample, because I know how I should process it.
Fuck organic sounds. I think I should get a mic, record all kinds of retarded vocalisations and go from there.
>>61441124
Google Moscow mule
Purchase mug
???
Profit
>>61441229
Setting mic preamp levels for vocalists is almost an art in and of itself
>>61441454
Man, I'm way too amateur to do that shit
>>61441322
>32kbps mp3
what
any a cid man in?
>>61441864
lo-bit aesthetic m8
it's like lo-fi but with digital audio formats
why does ozone have a dynamics module as well as a maximizer? don't the two counteract eachother?
is there any actual benefit to exporting and then mastering as opposed to just sticking ozone on the master after im done mixing?
what other ways to master are there besides ozone?
>>61442229
a compressor reduces the difference between loud and quiet parts
a maximizer or limiter does the same but in very short time frames, between 0ms to 30ms
the compressor can control dynamics over larger timeframes and gel the song together, depending on the behavior you tell it to have, while the maximizer reduces sharp transients and allows for a louder end product
it's not uncommon to use several compressors and limiters in tandem in the final mastering stage
2. yeah if you care about actually mastering a track. you might want to do different versions, using different tools and ways to analyze the audio, which is easier to do with a wav than a .flp or .als
3. paying an actual mastering engineer, various types of hardware and software
>>61441484
Everyone was way too amateur to do that shit at one point, anon.
>>61442933
That's actually kinda encouraging
so should i save up 2.5 grand for a real tb-303 or should i get a tb-3 or a tt-303 bassbot?
>inb4 just emulate it on the computer
>>61441208
Conceiving what you want and then trying to realize it rarely works out in electronic music. It works better to imagine the type of sound you want (i.e. distorted bass sound with a sharp attack) and then work at it until you get something good enough.
>>61442984
Tbqhwy family, it isn't really hard, some vocalists just have a huge dynamic range, so you need to set the preamp so you can still hear quiet things as well as tame the pounds without clipping.
Input compressors were basically made to tackle this issue.
>>61442933
excuse me good friend but i was born a preamp expert
>>61442145
that sounds retarded actually
>>61443023
I really don't get why people obsess so much over "classic" sounds/gear.
It seems overly conservative. The x0xb0x, TT-303 and TB-3 seem to be totally adequate emulations anyway.
>inb4 just emulate it on the computer
I don't think you'd find a digital emulation that's as good as the TB-3.
>>61442229
>what other ways to master are there besides ozone?
Running the entire mix through light compression, light EQ, saturation, mid/side EQ, stereo widening, limiting and monitoring it for clipping, inter-sample clipping and phase issues. Those things are generally optional and/or used "to taste". Basically you do the things ozone does using separate plugins for each step, which gives you more control. The point of ozone was to take mastering and turn it into a one-stop-shop plugin that lets you do everything at once.
>>61443023
Just get Phoscyon or ABL, pham. No one's going to tell the difference in the mix.
>>61443138
>By the time I saw a DAW, I was already a man
I really want to get into this and making my own music, but I'm not really sure where to start.
I've been wanting to for a while but I need a push, some direction to go towards. I'd like to just have fun with this and make some beats that I can rap around to and show off to my friends, and maybe edm/house (although I know that's already heavily oversaturated).
In short:
>Where should I start?
>With what program?
>Where could I learn that?
I don't expect to get famous by doing this by the way, I'd like to have fun and learn another skill to show off.
>>61443333
hey i was using cakewalk home studio back in 1997 friend-of-the-family
also nice dubbyquads
>>61443023
Don't get the TB-3, it sucks
>>61443023
Don't buy an original 303 unless you're just a collector who wants to brag to the other collectors on gearslutz.
The bassbot is everything you will need if you want the 303 sound with the same playability.
>>61443450
>Don't buy an original 303 unless you're just a collector who wants to brag to the other collectors on gearslutz.
...while never actually recording anything yourself
>>61443497
Exactly. Hence why I used the word collector and not producer or musician.
Can anyone convince me that making music is worth it and that it's important?
Also if you have an idea, I'll try turning it into a track when I get home. Could be a melody, story, whatever.
>>61443550
>Can anyone convince me that making music is worth it and that it's important?
It's up to you, bro. Ultimately nothing is really worth anything.
>>61443550
I mistakenly trusted a fart while in bed this morning and it turned out to not be a fart.
Write about that.
i have an 808 and a 303 is that enough to make acid on? or do i need more
>>61443630
Prod is gonna be so mad at you for having those.
>>61443659
its all i have, i dont have any other gear except for a mixer lol
>>61443659
we don't get mad. well, the occasional manbaby get mad but they aren't part of the /prod/ team
>>61443630
Really really basic acid, maybe. I don't think that's enough to really be interesting. Throw in a 909, 101, DX100 and Midiverb II and it might get interesting.
>>61443343
FL Studio
>>61443630
did you steal those? i don't know anyone who owns -just- those two
and no you should probably get some synths and FX units in there
though I made some good acid back in the day with just a 707, 303 and microkorg
>>61443550
>Can anyone convince me that making music is worth it and that it's important?
Fuck that. Do it because you want to or not at all.
>>61443801
>i don't know anyone who owns -just- those two
...and then has to ask if they can make acid
Anyone replying to >>61443630
seriously is a complete moron and shouldn't be allowed on this side of the internet.
>>61443895
you replied too pham
>>61443630
sup man
>>61443895
i replied ^ so i guess im a moron
>>61444040
>>61443630
You need to buy talent. It's sold by the gram.
>>61444330
this is why the music industry awards are called "grammy's"
>>61444330
No man you just need a Jupiter 8, CS80, Eventide H8000, Bricasti M7, Pro Tools, UAD-2 cards, Barefoot mm27 monitors, etc.
That's how you buy talent.
>>61444440
>Jupiter 8
no
>CS80
no
>Eventide H8000
yes
>Bricasti M7
no
>Pro Tools
yes
>UAD-2 cards
no
>Barefoot mm27 monitors
no
>etc.
i guess so
puredata dude here again, my rudimentary kick and snare drum machine with easily drawable envelopes is now working
https://clyp.it/hewanucf
>>61444565
Is your kick osc free running? Every hit sounds different.
>>61444565
In general you shouldn't use multiple metro objects like that. Make a global clock and divide it using counters for quarter notes or sequences or whatever. Also for the snare envelope thing on the right side, you can put "0 0, 99 500" in one message, if that's what you're trying to do. And you might want to use vcf~ or something for the snare filter instead of lop~, since the cutoff is controlled by a signal. The second outlet of vcf~ is lowpass.
>>61444652
it's not but it has two sources for amplitude that could be messing with the early snap, or because of the way i drew in the pitch, i liked the "bounce-back" bass-like sound.
>>61444759
it is also free running though
>>61444794
So that's why it sometimes starts with a click and sometimes not.
>>61444721
Wow, thanks a bunch. I wanted to make separate operations from scratch and easily distinguishable, but I should probably stop making different metros like that before it becomes a bad habit.
>you can put "0 0, 99 500" in one message
I can't believe I never thought of that
>vcf~
Right on, I had a lot of trouble making lop~ respond to signals properly and it doesn't have a resonance function, I'll check that one out.
>>61444833
Yeah, send 0 to the right inlet of the osc~ to start at 1 (click) or 0.25 to start at 0 (no click). Or you could put a lop~ after the line~ that controls the amplitude. I find that works better for synth sounds.
>>61444794
Ok I got you. I'm an old synth geek and "free running" usually means that an oscillator doesn't follow a specific tuning
I set an ADSR for the amplitude modulation but at this point I'm not sure if it's following that or the Decay graph primarily. There's no stopping the osc apart from that
If you have more info on this (and the time) I'd appreciate it
>>61444990
>I'm an old synth geek and "free running" usually means that an oscillator doesn't follow a specific tuning
No, it means the phase isn't reset at the start of a note, so the relationship between the oscillator's output and the envelope is different each time it's triggered. If the attack is instantaneous, sometimes it will click and sometimes it won't. So you can either reset the phase or smooth the attack.
>>61444954
thanks, that set it straight
>>61445085
how do I control the phase state?
the right inlet of the oscillator?
>>61445185
Yeah. It's cosine and the 2pi term is included. So you can set it to whatever you want with a message from 0 to 1.
>>61441363
>worlds
that porter robinson album
https://clyp.it/r1ddqzmy
How does my DIIV rip-off sound?
>programmed drums because too poor for mics
>Running a tele through apogee duet with verb and overdrive chain
>So much verb
i understand how to make music, but what about good music?
https://clyp.it/cjavumrk
>>61445383
nobody knows anon, nobody known
also pic related
bumpan and a rollin'
bimp
>>61445330
gay
Super newbie comparing buget mixers for screwing around. Specifically the Yamaha MG10 AND MG10XU.
The XU differs from having usb connectivity. I belive this is an out, but I do have a Xonar STX with a line in. My guess is that using the Xonar would mean lower latency and better quality; is it worth saving the $50 and just going with the MG10? I don't know if I'll get use out of the XU's effects.
>>61448473
In my experience, mixers with FX are very useful if you're using them to run into a PA, especially if you're running vocals. It's nice to send all of the channels to the same reverb, even if it's not some fancy ass Valhalla shit.
However, I find USB to be completely useless on a mixer since most of them sum down to two channels, and I'd rather send every channel to the computer.
>>61448353
>gay
Don't line us up with that faggot.
>>61448751
True. I won't be using too many channels at once very often, but it's always nice to have options, so I'm leaning towards the XU just in case. Saving a cool $50 would be nice, but relative to my finaces, it's not much.
>>61448992
I will also note that gaming soundcards aren't really designed for recording, usually just mic signals, which have a totally different impedance than recording interfaces. YMMV
It might be in your best interest to get a dedicated audio interface in the future.
>>61443023
get the TT 303, but wait until this comes out for it
>>61445373
Hey anon i like your track,do you have a bandcamp or anything?
https://clyp.it/krqde2iu
>tfw trying to get an early OPN sound while learning my way around Ableton
Does the lead sound too obnoxious?
>>61445373
The drums sound like they're coming out of laptop speakers m8
>>61442622
but aren't you adding dynamics with the dynamics part and taking them away with the maximizer?
>>61449404
nope
https://youtu.be/otckMhD7tZA
>>61449129
That's my plan, eventually. However, by fall, I'll be going to school in nashville, and will have full access to a full studio.
What I'm trying to accomplish could probably be done in DAW (vocal rec with compression), but I want the option of doing it live. What would be the best non-usb option for getting use out of the XU thru PC?
>>61449786
>non-usb
FireWire, but most of those interfaces are Mac only.
If you mean pci, you might want to stick to gaming.
>>61449993
I guess what I mean is, if I want to use an mg mixer at home, but not using the 2 way usb, wat do?
>>61450162
Wait, never mind, I'm dumb. The search continues.
I need decent headphones on a budget, any recs?
Hey /prod/, I stuck with where to go with this song. Help please? Also any general critique or advice would be greatly appreciated.
https://clyp.it/mcalmjzc
>>61450254
AKG K240 my man
https://clyp.it/q50mumup
I'm not sure how I feel about the bells
>>61450770
>>61450770
Oh I know that feel anon.
https://clyp.it/ezswlo0e
Thinking of getting a pair of dt 990s to produce with. Have any of you had any experience with these?
>>61449993
>but most of those interfaces are Mac only.
what is a firewire card?
I use Frootyloops and I need to get better soundfonts. The presets I have sound very basic,
>>61451717
Not what I mean you knobgoblin. As in there is no windows driver support. Check out Apogee, they make some killer interfaces that won't work on a Windows machine no matter how many ways you try to connect them.
>>61450702
mdr-v6
>>61451899
most firewire are both
i watched busy works beats trap tutorial in fl studio and i made this. its horrible i know but as my first production in like 4 hours im kinda proud. i have so many ideas for music as well so yea
https://clyp.it/5jiajhgj
>>61443140
Tell that to Deathconsciousness.
>>61452181
aren't mdr-v6s a bit biased toward the low end of the frequency spectrum?
>>61452308
kek
>>61451805
Look up VSTs that's literally what I'm doing for ableton right now
Either that or get a synth and start sampling
>>61452235
>trap
Now there's Gucci trap and Hucci trap and by the sounds of your clyp, it sounds like you're goin for Gucci trap
Throw some stabby synths or a choir in there, and you got it, familia
how do you guys write lyrics? I majored in literature and write all the time but I hate all of the words that I write and they never seem to mix wit hthe chords I play.
>>61452776
thanks. trap will not be the only thing im making though but if i do make another trap beat, i will remember this
https://clyp.it/34wgrf40
Can somebody tell me if this sounds clean?
>>61443023
I kind of wanna build an x0xb0x.
I'm going to build an lxr drum first though.
>>61451667
I've used the DT-770 Pro and everything I made on it, I mixed the way too loud around 900-1000Hz. I don't think any headphones are really good for mixing.
>>61454615
it does
>>61455928
gracias
Ring modulation sounds metallic because it fucks up the ratio between harmonics, right?
What about flanger or the ringing reverb of a small room? Comb filtering should only alter the volume of the harmonics, not their frequency, right?
So what are the usual options for hardware synths below 500€ or so? I live basically nowhere so buying used seems impractical.
Ideally, I'd like to sound like Mort Garson or some 60s/70s shit, or maybe some detroit techno sometimes. Could use some basses, leads, pads, maybe even percs or SFX. Anything, really.
It doesn't need to actually be old and analogue if it can sound the part, though. I can get decent results from Charlatan or some TAL or fullbucket stuff, for instance. But I'd like to make some sounds without clicking around or setting up MIDI controls.
>>61455471
whats the orange thing?
and how do you like the electribe?
sick setup btw
>>61440845
protools in fine
i dont use it cuz never found a ahem version of it
>>61457077
The orange one is an Anushri, analog monosynth that you buy as a kit. The electribe is alright. The synth engine is kind of harsh/flat sounding but you can get cool sounds with work. The sequencer and effects are also useful.
>>61456956
Most synths are in that price range. What's the most important thing, hands-on controls? Bass station 2 is supposedly good.
>>61449388
Mixed on shitty laptop speakers too. Luckily they're not real, so a drum recording session should fix it.
>>61449344
No bandcamp, but this is just an equipment demo so I'll be hopefully putting out a four track EP soon.
>>61456956
go modular or go home
>>61440912
>pick one
>only using one daw
>garageband and logic are the same
kek your poll is shite
Important question right here - in the mastering stage, when using a limiter (both to prevent clipping and increase overall level - say what you like about the loudness war, but even if you do everything right at the mixing and mastering stage, your track will not be able to compete with the average volume of any commercial release without one)...
SHOULD you reduce gain before the limiter plugin to ensure that the signal doesn't peak above 0dB at any point in the track (which will slightly reduce overall volume regardless) or just whack the limiter on anyway and and push it as hard as sound reasonable to your ears? Does real time clipping before the limiter works affect the limiter's ability to work?
>>61441229
When you say static, do you mean sibilance? If so, normally you'd use a pop shield / de-esser plugin. And careful EQ'ing.
>>61458314
Try to sit your kick at -6 or -8db, this'll leave you with a -2db headroom in the end. I wouldn't suggest messing around with the master, use that -2db to easily whack a +9 with the limiter, that's how I do it and I get loud af mixes.
>>61440912
Why would you put Logic and Garageband in the same selection you tard. Yes, they're based on the same mechanics and are pretty similar but there's a huge difference and this doesn't give an accurate representation of who's using each. I started out using garageband and progressed to Logic X.
i want to build a live setup without a computer, what should i get first?
im looking for budget mixer, sampler(mpc style), lil synth like korg volca keys/bass, a delay pedal and a spring reverb to make dub souns with
>>61458314
there is no such thing as "real time clipping" in the floating point stage, you either clip (exceed 0db) in the master DAC output or you don't.
if you have a limiter at the final stage, having a louder incoming signal to the limiter simply means that the limiter will have to work harder, the gain reduction will be larger. depending on the attack/release settings, you might experience some post-limiter clipping, but it's not likely.
it's not detrimental to your sound but it's bad practice because of 2 things: you're not really controlling your signal, and it's usually not a good idea to let one limiter reduce up to 6dB or more on its own.
if you're going for maximum gain reduction while trying to keep some semblance of transparency, it's better to spread the load over 2 or 3 limiters handling 2-4dB each, and to have one finetuned for sharp transients, one for overall reduction, and another for load-sharing. it takes a lot more work but that's generally how the big boys do it, along with a range of tricks including subtle to not so subtle use of saturators, inflators or clipping hardware DACs, etc etc
>>61458420
you could almost everything with an octatrack. otherwise an MPC would be good for samples and to sequence the other gear
>>61458420
Make sure you have a few aux send on your mixer I really struggled to find a decent small mixer with 4 aux sends on it. You'll need these for your dub effects and feedback loops.
The Volca bass is good, you could probably get away with Volca bass, beats, sample and mixer and effects to start out with, they all sequence with each other so no need for a seperate sequencer.
For Dub music the mixer is an instrument that needs to be played so I'd go for something with a bit of space around the controls as opposed to a compact mixer. I just picked up a secondhand 16 channel mixer from the 90's it's fucking huge.
>>61458365
>>61458859
Thanks for the tips guys, solid advice
>if you're going for maximum gain reduction while trying to keep some semblance of transparency
I suppose what I'm going for is maximum volume with transparency and without audible clipping, but perhaps that's what you meant. If I have any clipping occur before the use of a limiter, it probably won't exceed ~3dB, I try to keep the mix balanced.
So, say a final mix had transient peaks at 3dB, in the case of the adaptive limiter in logic (what I tend to use), would I be better off putting a gain plugin at -3.0 before the limiter, and then upping the input scale or upping the gain by an extra 3.0dB on top of whatever settings I was using, or are you saying it's fine to not use the gain plugin to reduce the level pre-limiting altogether if the amount of clipping is below 6dB?
Or should I just use my ears and do what sounds good to me?
I try not to overdo limiting, but I am a believer that you can push a track fairly hard with a limiter and still retain a perceived dynamic range if you mix correctly. I also think a small amount of clipping (in the floating point stage?) is okay as long as it's not audible, but perhaps the problem is that doesn't always translate to zero clipping in real time.
>>61458371
Dude I just copy pasted it from the last thread because this one was sinking fast. I can't answer your question.
>>61440845
what's actually so great about ProTools anyway? Is it just that it's had a long-standing reputation as the 'professional standard' ? We have it in the studio at uni, but I never really use it. I get on so well with Logic X. It's just logical. ProTools, I find clunky and unintuitive. Everyone is different though.
>>61440845
I use Ableton Live and have been wondering about what the impact of putting effects/vsts on grouped tracks; frozen or not frozen (im not entirely sure of the sound difference between the two). I read a lot online about saying "correct your mixing" before "mastering" anything, and it prompts me to ask is it fucking with my sound by me putting overarching effects that are equal on two or more noises and is it possibly having negative effects?
I wondered if anyone had any light to shed on the question.
tl;dr
does adding effects to grouped tracks have any repercussions?
>pic related
>>61459967
I don't really understand your question.
>>61459994
well, if i were to create 3 instances of my drums with the intention of emphasizing the low mid and high of the drumline so as to mix them together.
if i wanted to put a certain layer of effects on each of them, the same for each one, would it be detrimental at all for me to instead of doing it to each, putting the plugin on the grouped channel aswell/instead?
>>61459267
I decided I'm being retarded since I forgot clipping only occurs at transient peaks thus turning down the gain on the entire track is just detrimental
derp
>>61460038
For drums, I have an individual EQ on each of the hits, and sometimes apply a separate EQ to the entire bus.
If you're asking if you should EQ and process drum parts individually, yes, you should.
https://clyp.it/sgk15cny
I need help on mix here, how much does is suck?
I have a feeling that I just drowned everything in reverb.
I can not afford proper monitors, using 2.1 system for 30$ and occasionally Superlux HD-330.
>>61460102
no i am asking simply
>does adding effects to grouped tracks have any repercussions?
>>61459267
gain reduction is what enables the maximum amount of headroom to increase the volume
transparency is what allows it to sound like you intended, without pumping or clipping artifacts, etc
It's good to have a -3.0 gain plugin if you can't see where the maximum level is in the input stage of your limiter, or if you can't read any of the meters. It's in no way necessary to do this however, it won't impact the sound, the only thing that does is the actual amount of work that your limiter does before sending it forward.
the limiter doesn't automatically clip the audio, it reduces it in very minute segments, pushing it down when it reaches a certain treshold (gain reduction) and then leaving it alone. it happens in a smooth fashion to prevent artifacts and distortion. clipping is when it just deletes the audio info and that distortion stuff happens
in general you should use your ears, in the end we're going for PERCEIVED loudness which can't be measured with meters
Floating point is the audio bit depth your DAW handles in real time, it means magic software land of 32bit where you have virtually infinite headroom and resolution, until it reaches your master audio output (digital-analog-converter), or if you export the audio to wav. this is why your audio won't go in the red on individual mix channels in most DAWs
Keep in mind that if you push the final maximum gain level above -0.5 or so, it will always clip on playback due to the way digital audio works, and if you analyze it with a proper metering program like Orban, you will see that the track regularly jumps into +3db or even more. It's fun to do this with popular EDM music and see how horrendously it looks. If you're mastering for soundcloud or itunes and transcoding for lower bit rate mp3 this might be something to keep in mind, since with levels above -0.4 to -0.2 you will create audible artifacts in the mp3 transcoding process.
First time poster
https://clyp.it/ngyisb0e
Does this master sound good?
Still trying to figure out drum compression.
>>61460123
What do you think will happen if you compress a loud kick drum (above threshold) and a very quiet (way bellow threshold) hihat together? kick drum will trigger the compressor and lower the volume of everything. If you compress separately, the hat won't even come close to hitting the threshold and nothing will happen to it.
>>61459967
>does adding effects to grouped tracks have any repercussions?
no it doesn't, and frozen tracks are 32bit just as the rest of your real time audio
EQing individual drum buses that were recorded in one session will create phasing artifacts, so it's better to use EQ on the whole group
>>61460223
I am aware, but thanks.
>>61460246
I see, interesting.
On the topic of frozen tracks; the reason I originally asked this question was because during playback my phasing/panning or whatever it was was not consistent everytime during playback and I couldnt work out whether this was because of some modulation within the VST or because of the fact that it was being played in MIDI in realtime - so I tried to freeze the track with the hope that I would have the same output from the track every playback, without the difference in phasing being effected by when i press play in relation to its swing.
https://clyp.it/h4cxs0eg
the bassline was what brought this thought up
>>61443023
If you have the basic understanding needed to build a x0x, and the equipment to properly tune and test it, it will be the exact same as a tb303. If there is any discrepancy about BOM clones sounding different than the originals, it's because they weren't tuned or manufactured properly.
>>61460170
Thank you very much.
I've heard about audio clipping on playback if you don't set the output ceiling at -0.7dB for mp3 audio. But most people seem to settle for -0.3dB. Would you recommend setting the ceiling at -0.7dB for anything you upload to SC then? I can hardly imagine -0.4dB difference is audible in any meaningful way.
>>61460460
It really depends on what type of material you're producing, around -0.3db is a good rule of thumb for general purpose, mostly because nobody's going to care
if you want to be on the safe side and learn how to master without pushing things into oblivion, you can go for -0.7 or even -1db
it will always clip at those upper levels, but the question is if it's going to clip in a detrimental way, a dB or so of clipping isn't usually noticeable. some hardware DACs handle clipping very well and are used in mastering for this very purpose as a last way to squeeze an extra dB out of the mix
but the truth is that those last decimal points have no actual bearing, absolute level has just about fuck all to do with how loud you percieve something to be
it has more to do with the presence of bass energy and other parts of the frequency spectrum to which human ears are sensitive
another thing that greatly influences percieved loudness is the rate of change of gain, i.e how fast the gain changes in the track between loud and quiet parts
I'm fairly new to ableton and I've been having difficult in this particular task
I wanna use a few synth samples in a way that each one is triggered by a different key. I tried putting them in a drum rack, but the sound gets warped for some reason. Can I do this in the native sampler?
>>61461233
>but the sound gets warped for some reason
that's the aftertouch on your keyboard. I am not sure how to disable it since I rarely use the drum rack, but I know it can be done
>>61461233
use a different instance of Sampler for each different synth and compose them into a blended mix?
or are you looking to load them all in one track? (i.e drum rack)?
or are you looking to be able to play them live/freestyle?
>>61461233
Look at the default Simpler (or Sampler, if you have it set that way for default P Roll creation) settings. Set a new default that doesn't have this problem then you should be gucci when you create the other samples.
>>61461233
load them in the arrangement view and de-warp them before transferring them to the drum rack
load them in the sampler and open up the key/piano roll, then just drop each sample on an individual key and reduce its range. i'm fairly sure there's a there's a multisampler function that lets you do this instantly by drawing several audio files right to the sampler
>>61449349
Would you mind giving a little more detail into how you got that sound? I think it sounds pretty good.
>>61449349
yes in my opinion it is way overbearing
>>61461233
What do you mean by warped? Ableton has its own meaning for that word, are you meaning that the sound is timestretched, which is what Ableton uses that word for, or are you meaning that the sound is pitch shifted?
If you're putting the samples into Simpler instances in a drum rack the sounds should play back at the pitch they were sampled at if you don't make any parameter changes in the Simpler instances - if you're using Sampler instances instead that won't be the case though as the samples will change pitch according to which note number is sent to them - drum racks send different note numbers for each drum and this will mess with pitch in Sampler, Sampler has its own default root-note parameter for unaltered sample playback and drum rack will most times not send that note.
>>61461277
Simpler and a drum rack using Simpler does not respond to aftertouch by default, Sampler does however.
Any PD experts around? I'm having trouble with a simple math operation.
I'm trying to make a 4/4 time signature counter, but I can't halve the speed of the leftmost counter without making another metro. How do I divide the outgoing clock of the current metro into a separate line? I tried [/ 2]ing it but that did nothing.
>>61463275
tfw u want 2 understand
>>61463275
>having to have a Phd in Math in order to make a fucking 4/4 kick
puredata nerds never change pls
>>61463275
The [/ 2] approach seems to work for me. Just made pic related, the right counter is exactly twice as slow as the left counter, and they stay in sync. Or is that not what you asked?
>>61463471
God damn it, I'm an idiot. I tried putting the [/ 2] after the metro rather than after the f counter. It didn't make sense to me that the counter would count twice as slow. That is a very elegant solution, thank you.
>>61463359
>you need to have a Phd in Math to divide two numbers
>tfw great at finding cool/unique samples
>tfw terrible at fleshing them out
also is there an easy way to find the key of a track without knowing any music theory?
>>61463595
you get the idea though
memedata is made for math nerds and autismlords who like to stare at flowcharts. there has been exactly ZERO tunes made in either that sound like a tune and not like math majors' farts
>>61463595
With Puredata you do
>>61463708
some pd stuff sounds amazing, especially to experienced producers, although you have to appreciate the DIY and generative aspects. it's also easy to combine with other stuff
i'm terrible at math but i like the idea of understanding audio more, making my own filters, sounds and other shit from scratch, rather than using the same boring plugs and sounds i've used for years
i guess none of this makes any sense to you so feel free to go back to feeling superior while you're playing with pirated vsts in fruity loops
>>61441025
Take >>61441107 advice, set limitations for yourself. For example, challenge yourself to make a whole song using only Operator. Don't go in with the goal in mind of making a perfect song, just with the goal of finishing a song. Once you practice this enough you will start to learn how to make what you want to make and do so without having to limit yourself.
>>61463935
>some pd stuff sounds amazing, especially to FELLOW MEMEDATA NERDS
ftfy. And please, you're welcome to change my mind. Post a link.
>go back to feeling superior while you're playing with pirated vsts in fruity loops
>if you aren't a sperglord who needs to know obsessively control every aspect of a sine wave then u must be a fl kid!
>>61463708
You're aware of the fact Autechre use it, right?
how do I make shit sound more lo-fi
dumb question I know
>>61464152
you're aware they had to use a shit load of "traditional" synths alongside it because even they couldn't make anything resembling a decent tune?
>>61464089
acreil on youtube is a good place to start
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4t5B6nPQGg
forgive my presumptuousness but most people frequenting these threads and unabashedly shitting on other people's ways of making music tend to be fl kids
>>61464303
This is impressive and all that, its way over my head and is an impressive way of making music and all the power to you as an artist, but honestly it just doesn't sound good.
>>61464303
see
>>61464399
sorry to come across a bit cuntish, and keep doing your thing, but that tune is crap. I understand a lot of work went behind it though. Which is impressive. But the product is underwhelming.
>>61464459
fair enough, you are entitled to that opinion, but i think we've established that it's quite possible to make music with PD
it just attracts people who want to make generative tunes in non-standard tunings, but there's plenty more ways to use it than standalone recording
>>61443630
>is drums and bass all you need to make a song
>hurr durr
kill yourself
Fuck this shit, familia.
>tfw don't wanna bounce to audio just yet
https://clyp.it/e2aoci5d
Wat you think?
Any redeeming quality?
Bump.
Don't go to clubs, you'll fuck up your hearing.
>>61466083
wear earplugs m8
>>61464638
>we've established that it's quite possible to make music with PD
I can make music with a pair of spoons
doesn't mean its good
and you think its good because you know how hard its to make it, but if somebody had told you that song was made in FL you would've dismiss it as mindless wankery that sounds flat as fuck, which it what it is really
>>61466083
>>61466116
i have these kind they're whicked good for $15-$20
do you know any good and free delay plugins ?
>>61466288
just install Windows Vista m8
>>61466337
i'm on windows 8
>>61466375
ytho
>>61466405
it was already installed
>>61466288
Run your soundcard input into the output through a resistor. Bonus lofi points for running the cable around your power cords.
>>61466202
you make a solid point here but I'm starting to lose track of what it is we're actually discussing
nobody's pretending PD is a rival to a DAW or studio, it's got strengths and weaknesses like anything else. nobody's forcing anyone to use it as a sequencer since you can just record your wanks and process them further. besides that, pdvst enables any pd patch to work as a vst, and that's just scratching the surface of the crosstalk tools available. want to use the light level of the stage to control aspects of the music? i'd like to see someone do that in a regular DAW
it probably is a bit wanky but whatever. so far I find it's really fun
>>61466650
>resistor
You mean a capacitor?
>>61466789
Why would I use a capacitor?
>>61466898
Because it can act as a low pass filter.
>>61466924
And resistor can drop voltage.
Actually, so can diodes and LEDs, so let's throw them all together and you get a signal display too!
>/mu/ makes an audio effect.jpg
>>61466971
There's also the issue of connecting all of these, so just solder banana sockets to everything and you got yourself a modular system.
>>61466202
spoons are actually used as a percussion instruments in some traditional celtic music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH_kUEHHZhw
>>61440845
I could never understand how people could use flstudio. that shit is so STUPID to look at
>>61467787
It's you who feels stupid though.
>>61467787
flstudio makes far more sense to me than ableton t b h
https://clyp.it/zzjrv0qr
>>61464919
nope, couldn't find any.
>>61460352
skrillex is that you?
>>61460174
lower your sub a bit and make sure your low frequencies are mono, it sounded nice otherwise.
what are the best sample libraries for making FFXIII tracks. i'm currently using u-he diva and berlin strings and it's really hard to get anything similar.
>mfw finally make a melody + rhythm that I'm proud of after a week of fiddling around
>mfw it's mixed terribly
Atleast it's a start
>>61468007
I don't really know if you calling me skrillex is an insult or not, because while his input to dubstep with Sprites was disgusting and blastphemic to the roots of dubstep, he is still a very talented producer, there is a reason he works with the biggest artists.
The bassline is differently transposed bass stabs compiled into different layers and EQ'd differently on each layer, the width is acheived through spread and phasing.
Any idea how to make a synth give off the same feeling as a guitar. Trying to make a punkish song
>>61469402
distortion
>>61469422
Besides that like actually plying the keyboard idk
>>61466083
why would you want to go to a club anyways?
What genre does prod make
>>61469322
it was a joke dude i like skrillex and his music.
>>61469402
For an acoustic guitar you will have a lot of trouble.
For an electric guitar you could achieve the sound with the use of EQ to resemble the frequencies provided by a guitar, different Amp's setting to distort the synth (I use Waves GTR and would just cycle through the presets until appropriate.)
You're best bet will without doubt be to just sample a guitar though. Kontakt or other sample libraries will provide you with a great start because if you polish a turd, you still have a turd.
If you want a good sound, you use a good noise to start with.
>>61466526
Fucking upgrade haha
What DAW do you use? (from yesterday)
http://strawpoll.me/6431854
http://strawpoll.me/6431854
http://strawpoll.me/6431854
Really interesting results! Those of you who use Audacity, why do you do that?
>>61469486
boring instrumental hip hop "beatz"
>>61469486
Most genres of metal
Abstract hip-hop
Trip-hop
Ambient / Dark ambient
Noise
Synthwave
Techno
I've got one or two house tracks
I am shit in all of these though
>>61459943
it is the hands down easiest DAW to record live audio and edit, also punching in and out on tracks.
warning: more wanky PD stuff
I made a step sequencer, ran it into a bandpassed sawtooth, managed to combine it with my kick-snare program and got some acid running!
https://clyp.it/jwpzydtz
>>61463635
http://www.ibrahimshaath.co.uk/keyfinder/
fucking hell
>spend all afternoon working on a song on my Analog Four
>finally happy
>open Ableton
>fire up Overbridge
>the entire fucking thing changed, like it was randomly put up a couple octaves
>can't get it back to what it was
FUCKES FDZXKIFDZXFK
ANYONE HAS THIS SAME F. PROBLEM
ELEKTRON A SHIT
>>61469920
10/10 freeware
>>61469486
Grime mainly, dnb and hiphop also
>>61464303
>most people frequenting these threads and unabashedly shitting on other people's ways of making music tend to be fl kids
what gave you this impression
>>61469486
I've heard it all in these threads, but I would guess most posters hear are synthy/electronic music producers
>>61449786
Please don't come to Nashville.
>>61469755
Shit poll, I use two daws.
I want to start making 1990s house and garage music with authentic samples from the era, preferably without using any modern sample packs because it just doesn't sound the same. I can't afford hardware though.
So I guess what I'm asking is where I can find samples commonly used those days. I've got Ableton's 909, the VST version of Korg M1, but I need more and I have no idea about what they used to use, what other drum machines or synths were used, or samples or anything.
Examples:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKDiCRyTdcI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRH05Nq_JI0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7PqbkBUwGw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reW-F4z8nt4
Maybe what I'm asking for makes no sense, maybe it does. I hope someone can help, thanks.
>>61469755
>http://strawpoll.me/6431854
I understand how Pro Tools wouldn't rank high here as everyone is bedroom electronic producer, but I'm rather surprised to see Reason even lower. Pleb as fuck friends-of-the-family
>>61470472
google: classic house sample packs
they used a lot of cheap samplers back then with so-bad-they're-good organ sounds, piano sounds and so on
>>61470472
I'd say get samples of more of the Rolands (not only the 909s), crush'em to 12 bit because tech was a piece of shit back then, and go to town with M1 organ patches
>>61470472
http://www.wavealchemy.co.uk/transistor-revolution-mkii/pid106/
This should sort you out for drum samples. A mate of mine had an 808 in the 90's and retcons this is as close to the real thing he's heard
>>61470036
:(
>>61470387
Yeah? I use FL rewired into Ableton rewired back into FL on a Mac running Wine on one monitor, and on the other I run each of the first 5 editions of Sony Acid simultaneously through a JSON file I edit in Emacs (on the console, of course) which pings a server on save which updates the MIDI information which is wired into the brain of my pet monkey, who's playing 3 semitones down on my Minimoog Voyager XL. I built an FM synthesizer which only modulates signals lower than -60dB, just to show it could be done. Richard D James wakes me up every morning by knocking on my door with a tab of acid and sketches for a Max For Live patch he wants made.
But enough about me. DAE sylenth presets?
>>61470635
It's really interesting. I fear that if everyone uses the same DAW and has the same workflow, we'll all converge on the same sound.
I have the 64-bit version of Ableton, but whenever I tried to add a 64-bit VST like Dexed, It doesn't show. But for some odd reason, I can use Synth1.
Anybody know what is my problem?
![19837b2651[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/IreKoC4.png "19837b2651[1].png")
Never finished any tracks because I always start something new when I get stuck. Decided I'm not starting anything new until I finish this track.
How do you guys make progress on a track if you're stuck on it? Been stuck on this baby for like 2 months now. File is starting to get incredibly cluttered too...
https://clyp.it/sliqm43r#
>Note: Lots of boring space, takes a while to get to the interesting parts
>>61440845
http://strawpoll.me/6443989
>>61471783
>psytrance
mah nigga
The reverse crash doesn't really fit, it's too "classic", while the track calls for something high-tech sounding. Maybe pitchbend scifi door hiss samples or something.
The kick is kinda weak, I'd give it some more hi-freq presence, less mid. If it's synthesised, pitch envelope should be snappier.
The arp sounds tacky, like something of an afterthought. Write a melody.
And add Gattaca quotes.
>>61471910
>Gattaca quotes.
lmfao
or Cube quotes
I'm having an operational problem in PD and would appreciate assistance from those in the know.
My goal is to make an easy-to-use ADSR envelope that's controllable with simple vertical sliders, one for the gain of each stage, its length, etc. I think manually editing a message box with [1 200, 3 200 200 etc] into a [line] is a bit counterintuitive and want to control each number in that message box with a slider so I can hear the changes in realtime. I just have to make the math work before I try making an actual version, and I'm having trouble with that.
My idea was to use $1, $2 etc for each number, then simply make a message box with [$1 $0, $2 $0 $0, $3 $0 $0, $4 $0 $0] connect into a line, where $1 through $4 stand for the level of each stage and the $0 stands for the length and delay, which might as well be the same for now to get this to work. When I send a bang through this process, the program complains that $1 etc are "out of bounds". Nothing happens and I can't find any way to get it to work? Am I using the wrong arguments altogether? Any ideas?
Any advice on finding acapellas without resorting to sample packs?
I tried Acapellas4u and it's mostly mainstream songs and the free user limitations are shit, but I want rarer pre-2000s shit.
>>61471759
Using Windows?
Your 64-bit Ableton install should be looking in your C:\Program Files\Steinberg\VstPlugins folder for your installed VST plugs and instruments - make sure that's where the dll for Dexed has been placed.
If some of your stuff is in the 64-bit program files directory but (for whatever reason) some is in the 32-bit directory - C:\Program Files (x86)\Steinberg\VstPlugins - Ableton will need to be told to use the 32-bit one as a custom VST folder.
define workflow, it's a word I see used a lot around these threads and the internet , but i'm not 100 percent sure what people mean when they use the word.
>>61472277
It means "how" you would would work, there are lots of ways to achieve a sound the same way there are lots of places to start and move on from in composing a track, or noises if you building your own library of noises for example.
Your workflow refers to how you approach making your project goals
Would you start with an ambience, add simple drum line, sub up the bass? Or would you start completely elsewhere and progress differently.
>>61472075
You could look at trying to remove instrumentals from tracks with EQ'? (?) like z/x-noise combined with other noise reduction plugins?
>>61472277
Strictly speaking it's used to describe how processes are integrated with each other, or how they follow each other, in terms of /prod/ it's often used to describe a GUI's ease of navigation, or how an artist constructs their work.
>>61472590
Just as an addition to this - it's often useful to think of modes of work when you look at workflow.
As an example if you're in music-making mode it's a pain to have to switch to debugging mode when an app misbehaves so this is why some will say that they like their app of choice, because it doesn't put them into another mode when they don't want to.
Horses for courses though cos some will say that this mode-switching is exactly what they do enjoy - hence PureData.
>>61472507
https://clyp.it/1qbhf40x
Just screwing around with some new toys and idk where to go with this beat any suggestions for a sample or anything ~ ?
>tfw you told Ableton to scan your entire hard drive for VSTs
>tfw it crashes after 5 minutes of searching for VSTs
>>61474944
Kek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2Rp4xbmtRk
I'm going to make one like this
