>young people everywhere are beginning to realize the beatles fucking suck
>/mu/ still likes them for some reason
Why's that?
people everywhere are also flocking to The Force Awakens and praising it like theres no tommorrow, whats your point?
>>61340073
>implying the general public can think for themselves
>>61340088
But the Force Awakens is objectively great.
>>61340073
>>/mu/ still likes them for some reason
have you been here for more than a week or are you thinking of the beach boys
>>61340088
>>61340095
tell me more
>>61340095
And I will be there for yooouuuu
>>61340073
>>61340095
Tbqh to like or dislike The Beatles is a meme.
It seriously doesn't matter cause I'm sure they won't be forgotten.
>>61340073
SJWs hate them because they're white
>>61340073
young people fucking suck, we're all terrible.
>>61340099
No, absolutely not
remember: you can dislike the beatles, but disliking the beatles doesn't make you interesting.
>>61340168
That's not true. Look at Scaruffi...
Young people that hate the beatles are the same dumbfucks that thought paul mccartney was a "new" artist with kanye. Anyone that thinks they suck hasnt heard helter skelter yet
>>61340073
check your privilege
THE
>>61340186
I'm not fond of The Beatles much but I know who McCartney was before he collaborated with Kanye.
>>61340209
>implying only white people like the beatles
lmao
All this salt because the beatles made insane $$$$$$
>>61340209
self hating guilty white people are the best
>>61340213
FACT
The fact that so many books still name the Beatles as "the greatest or most significant or most influential" rock band ever only tells you how far rock music still is from becoming a serious art. Jazz critics have long recognized that the greatest jazz musicians of all times are Duke Ellington and John Coltrane, who were not the most famous or richest or best sellers of their times, let alone of all times. Classical critics rank the highly controversial Beethoven over classical musicians who were highly popular in courts around Europe. Rock critics are still blinded by commercial success. The Beatles sold more than anyone else (not true, by the way), therefore they must have been the greatest. Jazz critics grow up listening to a lot of jazz music of the past, classical critics grow up listening to a lot of classical music of the past. Rock critics are often totally ignorant of the rock music of the past, they barely know the best sellers. No wonder they will think that the Beatles did anything worthy of being saved.
Yeah you're right OP. Eleanor Rigby has nothing of value at all. Today's rock bands make music like that all the time.
Listen, the reason people think the Beatles suck today, is the only qualifying factor for how good rock/pop music is today, is how loud it can be made by an engineer
If you listen to ANY of these bands
You need to slap yourself and join the rest of us this century
>>61340243
I love all these memewords squeezed into one reply.
>>61340266
based milo
>>61340209
is this some advanced "u mad" shit?
i'm indifferent towards the beatles. don't think they suck, but don't bother listening to them.
this teenage tumblr-tier wind-up "look, i'm contrarian" shit is as predictable as it is boring.
>>61340209
>white people be different
http://scaruffi.com/vol1/beatles.html
>Giving The White Album and Revolver a 6 and 5/10 respectively
10/10
>>61340266
I was laughing until he called out Led Zeppelin
>you don't talk shit about the greatest
hobbies include: saying "Kanye West sucks" and watching white Redditors who post on le generation reactions
>>61340266
oh wow I dont know why this surprised me
>>61340266
What about Garbage?
Only good Beatles albums are Abbey Road, Sgt. Pepper, and White Album desu
>>61340266
lol this guy really likes garbage, like theyre ok but come on
>>61340246
I wouldn't say "greatest" (Because that clearly belongs to Led Zeppelin)
I wouldn't say "most significant"
I probably wouldn't even say "most influential" (although they were definitely one of.)
But they were so fucking innovative, especially for their time period. I mean seriously, the sheer stylistic variety they pumped out over their career is fucking baffling. Everything from thoughtful orchestral music to blues to fucking Eastern instrumentation. I literally cannot think of a single rock or pop band that was as open minded and experimental as those guys. Not Jimi, Not Zep, not VH, not even Rush or King fucking Crimson
>>61340366
>>61340346
>>61340073
>Why is that.
This:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag58k2elaYs
Released in 1966.
Point being of my thread, the Beatles are overrated, get over it, move on.
Goodbye /mu/
When is this hating on the beatles meme going to end
>>61340099
nice bait
>>61340244
THAT
>>61340073
>>61341421
>Let It Pee
How old are you op
>>61340108
>>61340209
Does anybody end up asking these people WHY they think this? Do people take their contrarian attitude without question?
>>61341450
older than the average Beatles fan that's for sure
>>61340266
>milo
Lmao
Am I on Reddit
>>61341461
What's the point? It's simply people posting dumb shit on the internet in hopes of getting amusing reactions.
>>61340213
SECRET LIFE
>>61341473
That's almost certainly not true
>>61340073
Nah, they were alright.
>people are finally realizing this
Only took 50 years
>>61340243
>@gothlatina
>white person
All of this poptimism and dad rock contrarian bullshit is giving me kidney stones
>>61340266
i love milo
>>61340186
The power of this bait is inhuman.
But /mu/ doesn't even particularly like Beatles. In fact, the fact that so many books still name the Beatles as "the greatest or most significant or most influential" rock band ever only tells you how far rock music still is from becoming a serious art. Jazz critics have long recognized that the greatest jazz musicians of all times are Duke Ellington and John Coltrane, who were not the most famous or richest or best sellers of their times, let alone of all times. Classical critics rank the highly controversial Beethoven over classical musicians who were highly popular in courts around Europe. Rock critics are still blinded by commercial success. The Beatles sold more than anyone else (not true, by the way), therefore they must have been the greatest. Jazz critics grow up listening to a lot of jazz music of the past, classical critics grow up listening to a lot of classical music of the past. Rock critics are often totally ignorant of the rock music of the past, they barely know the best sellers. No wonder they will think that the Beatles did anything worthy of being saved.
Bet you these people just listen to Skrillex and whatever other nonsense.
>>61341518
OF ARABIA
the problem with this mentality is that people aren't mad because they're dismissing white artists, they're just ignorant of music in general
itd be just as stupid if they blindly hated black artists like miles davis or mozart
>>61341804
they arent dismissing the beatles because theyre white though theyre dismissing them because theyre overrated as fuck because of lewronggenerationers
>>61341804
>being this ignorant
the Beatles are thought of as good because they're white
The Beatles were the Backstreet Boys of their time, whats the fucking surprise?
if teen girls still loved the Beatles like in the 60's, /mu/ would not like them
>>61341804
>mozart
Did I miss something truly ebin :DD?
>>61341785
thanks Stefan
>>61341988
I think he meant Beethoven.
>>61341864
Nah they literally only have any opinion on the matter because they're white men. These people hate anything white straight men have made or like due to extreme bitterness and jealousy.
It's just that simple.
>>61340410
its not exactly a meme, the hype surrounding the beatles has died down, and i think the hate thing is overstating their dislike, but at least to me the beatles seem really mediocre and overrated.
and im pulling this shit out of my ass but all the friends i have that listen to a LOT of music agree that the beatles are good but nothing to talk about, nothing to keep declaring it as the greatest shit ever.
it seems to me that if you listen to a lot of music you kinda start to feel the hype as unfounded
LE OPINIONS R LE HURTFUL XD
>>61340099
stick with music, buddy
>>61342071
>These people hate anything white straight men have made or like due to extreme bitterness and jealousy.
I'm not that guy but isn't that what half the people on here do to black and women musicians?
>>61342137
I don't think black or female musicians get any more shit than other artists unless they say things about race or gender.
>young people
Nothing new. I didn't like The Beatles when I was a kid.
>>61342246
I used to when I was
>>61342171
They do get shit for it. Like if someone on here thinks a male artist is bad, usually they'll just say '[x] sucks'. But if its a female artist, it'll be '[x] sucks' laced with negative comments about their looks, sexual or sexually violent comments, comments saying they're a bad artist because they're female, etc. Its rarely just '[x] sucks' if they're a woman.
Lmao, "beatles suck" faggots are worse than beatles fundamentalists.
>>61340099
Hi, Reddit!
'beatles suck' people are the same people who think having blue hair or being proud of not having seen star wars makes them interesting. they are boring and lonely.
My god, some younger people don't appreciate a 50 year old band? Beatles confirmed for worst band ever.
>>61342347
So is every opinion on the beatles wrong?
>>61340073
I was in the record store the other day and heard some girl say that the Beatles and the Rolling Stones are "basically the same". Is she right /mu/?
>>61342426
Not at all. I love the Stones, they're my favourite band, but early stones had nothing on early Beatles. The Beatles arrived more or less a fully formed Mersebeat band. The Stones fumbled for 2 years of touring and recording before arriving at a ranchy, distorted blues based sound.
They never existed in the same arena, except marketing wise where the stones were the "tough guy, edgy" alternative to The Beatles.
>>61342095
>the hype surrounding the beatles has died down
>>61342507
LMAOO WTF
I don't get these "I love saying the Beatles suck to white people!!!" tweets. It just seems so immature and pointlessly antagonizing. I'm all for some well thought out critiques, even if they're feminist in nature (the Beatles had some sexist lyrics), but this just seems like it's meant to make people angry. I also don't get why all these "haha beatles suck white people!" are all ... white women.
Is this what poptimism is all about?
>>61340073
Is rock music finally starting to become a serious art?
>>61342507
ya maybe i used the wrong word
>>61342386
nice strawman m8, please tell me how are the beatles great and how star wars is the shit
>>61342338
But nobody dislikes female artist for the sake of them being female. They'll mention their looks or gender just like they'll mention some noticeable trait of a male musician other than his gender when insulting them. And yes there are people who want to "fuck" female musicians on their board on mostly heterosexual young men.
And honestly I don't see people insulting female musicians that aren't pop mega-stars or known to complain about feminism a lot. I don't see people say anything like that when they talk about Grouper or Julia Holter.
>posting b8 on the internet
lmafao so 2012
>>61340408
you don't put headphones "in" you put them "on" holy shit this triggered my autism
>caring what some teenagers and trolls who will never do anything of value with their boring useless lives say on twitter
pls go
>>61341421
When i find myself in times of trouble
>>61342568
why would saying a pop band sucks be poptimism?
>>61340073
>>61340108
>>61340209
the beatles do suck. but i'd bet a million dollars all these people listen to even worse music
>>61340209
i love how it's somehow okay to constantly make fun of "white people." if she had said the same thing with mj and black people she'd probably get arrested
>>61342673
>teenagers and trolls
dude, that describes the userbase of /mu/ as well
>search twitter for stupidity
>post stupid thing
>fuck look at this stupid thing I'm outraged anon
>repeat, apply to all boards
>>61340266
he's right but he should add himself to that list
>>61342686
Because the Beatles are also a rock band that plays "real" instruments and cares very much about the album format.
>>61342726
Don't forget to pretend that those one or two posts on twitter are an epidemic.
>>61340108
o wow... not going to lie senpai, im worked up already... the nerve of that fat cow...
> i dont even like the beatles
>>61342748
but the majority of the people ive heard say the beatles suck are literal tumblr uses or tumblresque people that like pseudo 'indie'/'emo' like artic monkeys and the front bottoms. its never the 'taylor swift is one of the greatest musicians alive' crowd.
The Beatles are objectively great, they've carved out great tunes, created history and have inspired millions. The only people who can't admit to this are edgy contrarians, who can't stand to like the same music as their forefathers or god forbid, mainstream public.
The tweets from the tumblrites just make me laugh, because they're just trying to be provocative (oh wow nothing new), and garner a reaction from some angry white boys.
>>61342095
no one is saying that the beatles should be praised like jesus. there just as popular as jesus. and lets be honest senpai. you can listen to a beatles album all the way thru and not even notice. cause its great song writing. the only other meme band from that time period that you can do that with is the beach boys. the reason no one needs to talk about how great the beatles are, is because its an established fact that the Beatles were the biggiest thing in the 60s. u and your friends dont talk about it cause its music 101. not because its not accepted as one of the musical/pop music facts of the last century. if you hate on the beatles or atleast not admit that you enjoy one of the beatle's songs. its not because you haven some amazing musical prowess. youre simply an edgelord thats trying to be different and just hate them our of spite. no one is impressed
>>61342095
>the beatles are good but nothing to talk about
...and yet more books have been written about them than Mozart and Bach combined. Maybe you're wrong?
The Beatles were better than mediocre but worse than great.
>>61342568
beatles are too misogynist, listen to future and drake instead ;) #Ready4Hillary [painting nails emoji]
Whites person who was raised on The Beatles here.
I'm genuinely mad.
>>61340073
>this thread
It's been a while since I've been on /mu/. It used to be, that this board hated the Beatles and dad rock in general, and now it seems like, to out-edge the edgy kids on tumblr (who copied their edginess from /mu/'s supreme edge days), this board is suddenly on the Beatles bandwagon, and calling everyone who doesn't like the Beatles "tumblr hipsters". One of you guys actually characterized such a hipster as someone who listens to the Arctic Monkeys; I remember when /mu/ would call you a faggot for liking the Beatles, and tell you to listen to AM. Does no one remember "Music Defener"? The Scaruffi copypasta? What's happened to /mu/? Is it entirely r/music now?
Disclaimer: I don't like AM or the Beatles.
>>61343407
nice blog post dude
I like them and another person's opinion isn't going to change that, faggot. Maybe one day I won't like them anymore, who knows.
>>61343407
yeah thats how its always worked
sometimes u have to adapt u know
>>61343434
Nice little cock, dude, mind if I suck on it?
>>61343407
>he doesn't like The Beatles
Are you some kind of fag?
>>61342922
this. ty anon
>>61343508
I don't like anything or anyone from the entire United Kingdom.
Not liking the beatles is the new edgy.
>>61343407
>don't like the Beatles
Jesus Christ man
>>61343557
That sounds rational.
>>61340073
>/mu/ agrees with someone who thinks this
>>61343407
There are still edge lords who dislike the Beatles here. But those people are huge fags.
>>61343610
kek
>>61343140
the beatles were the biggert thing in the 60's because rock was in its baby steps in the 60's, actually when we talk about good groups of the 60's shit like the doors, or the soft machine, or TVU get mentioned, never the beatles and when we do talk about them we talk about the music and how the praise they get seems unfounded at least to us, and i dont hate the beatles, i am indiferent to them listened to all of their classic album and nothing seemed extraordinary, thats it im indifferent, i would rather listen to the doors or TVU
>>61343212
i said they werent for me but please tell me how popularity=quality
>>61343611
The Beatles weren't even the best of their contemporaries, neither in America nor in Europe. The Who were better. The Kinks were better. Dylan was better. The Beatles are literally a decades-old meme.
>>61343674
Nobody actually thinks this, fyi
>>61343673
>popularity=quality
Being examined by critics and writers does not equate to popularity. If so, AC/DC would have a shitload of books written about their cultural and musical impact too, but hey, they don't.
>>61343258
who dat who dat
>>61343610
i think they mean the words straight/gay are a 'social construct' (that term doesnt really make sense though in this context) not that BEING straight/gay is a 'social construct'. but even then thats such a pointless thing to say. like its neither a positive nor negative thing that its a 'social construct', it just is what it is.
>>61343674
>the kinks were better
Lol. Dylan has three amazing albums. The Beatles have at least 5.
>>61343704
>>61343772
>he genuinely believes that the Kinks weren't ahead of the Beatles in literally every way
Their "experimental" and "psychedelic" records also don't hold a candle to other psych rock at the time.
>>61343791
Shut up contrarian. You aren't cool because you think some of the greatest records of all time don't hold a candle to some other great albums. You just sound like a faggot.
>>61343791
Shush, kid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah2ckzXgrx4
>>61343829
Doors s/t is objectively better than Revolver. Just one record from around the same time that shits all over the Beatles.
>>61343907
>music can be said to be objectively superior or inferior to other music
tell me more
>>61343809
>if you don't like exactly the same shit as the rest of us, you're just a contrarian
Or maybe I just didn't fall for a marketing ploy.
I bet you truly believe that the Sex Pistols "invented" punk, too, and weren't just shilling to sell clothes. What a goof.
>>61343924
Manzarek, Krieger, and Densmore can all play circles around Paul, Ringo, and George, on their respective instruments. So, in a technical sense, they were objectively better, in that regard. In terms of poetic ability, Morrison employs more sophisticated techniques in his lyricism than Lennon-McCartney, so objectively speaking, he was their superior.
Keep thinking that there aren't objective means to criticize music, it's really quite cute.
>>61343995
>Manzarek, Krieger, and Densmore can all play circles around Paul, Ringo, and George, on their respective instruments.
So? People generally don't listen to music to hear technical excellence. This isn't really relevant. Music being played better doesn't make it better music.
>In terms of poetic ability, Morrison employs more sophisticated techniques in his lyricism than Lennon-McCartney, so objectively speaking, he was their superior.
Complex = good? Okay. I don't agree.
>>61343936
No the sex pistols are shite anyways so I don't think twice about them.
>>61344039
Better mastery of your instrument lends to more melodic and interesting compositions (because you can actually do what you're thinking of trying to do), and therefore also leads to better improvisational technique.
You would know this, if you played an instrument, and I mean above an introductory level.
You're one of those who comes up with excuses for bad music made by people who can't play their instruments, because you're a bad musician who can't play an instrument.
I'm sorry, but if you're not musically inclined, then your opinion on music really isn't valid, it's like listening to a child's opinion.
>>61343482
this is just a fucking weird response
you need to rethink your ways
>>61344114
>Better mastery of your instrument lends to more melodic and interesting compositions (because you can actually do what you're thinking of trying to do),
Which melodies on the Doors s/t are better than the melodies on Revolver?
>You would know this, if you played an instrument, and I mean above an introductory level.
So, everyone who plays instruments above introductory levels thinks the Doors s/t is better than Revolver? I highly doubt this is true.
>You're one of those who comes up with excuses for bad music made by people who can't play their instruments, because you're a bad musician who can't play an instrument.
Why is that? That's not a causation I really see. I just don't really like the Doors. They were ponderous and pretentious.
>I'm sorry, but if you're not musically inclined, then your opinion on music really isn't valid, it's like listening to a child's opinion.
If I were you, I'd leave /mu/, then. Because most people here aren't "musically inclined" in the sense that they play instruments. You're wasting your time here.
>>61340266
milo's entire existence is based on writings things for the sole purpose of making people mad. it's just that reddit and /pol/ types take it seriously.
>>61342660
earbuds are still headphones
>>61344181
It's actually why I left, the first time, I only come to check in on sharethreads every now and then. Just as then, so now, you people don't know the first thing about music, and yet so desperately cling to your naive ideas, even when a patrician tries to educate you.
>>61344128
You need to pop those pants off, and pop that 4 incher in my mouth, young man.
>>61340073
I think everyone is entitled to have every kind of opinion. But taking to heart any opinions posted here is utterly dumb. People realize that some people actually like the Beatles and are easily butthurt, like the faggot who says led zep is gabage.
>>61344246
I know multiple people with a shitload of musical expertise and historical knowledge that hate The Doors. Seriously. No band is unimpeachable.
>>61340266
yes, no, garbage is overstating it, no, eh
>>61344275
They would agree that the Doors are better than the Beatles, whether they hate them or not. They would have to at least agree on the technical side. I can't imagine someone with a knowledge of music, outside his father's record collection, would ever really like the Beatles, beyond maybe just a casual, occasional listen.
>>61344342
>They would agree that the Doors are better than the Beatles, whether they hate them or not
Nah, they don't actually.
>the doors
>none of them are doors
>>61344361
Oh, I see. You don't actually know anyone, at all, but you created "friends" as an argumentative device, without arguing for yourself why you think the Beatles are somehow the tippy top band of the 60's, despite numerous examples to the contrary. The answer being, that you can't think of anything else to say, but you'll be damned to admit you're wrong on an imageboard!
I'll take my leave, I have no further interest in discussions with a small child.
>>61344446
>I have no further interest in discussions with a small child.
Don't you want to suck my cock?
>>61344465
Well, yes, but you keep shitposting your stupid fucking opinions that fucking suck instead of putting your cock in my mouth.
>>61344484
Do it. You can suck as much as The Doors do.
>>61344446
>I'll take my leave, I have no further interest in discussions with a small child.
G'day and euphoric travels to you, m'fellow gentleman!
>>61344500
You're retarded. Period. End of discussion.
>>61340246
copy and pasted right from scaruffi's website. think for yourself and articulate your own argument.
>>61344535
That's got nothing to do with the fact that Revolver destroys anything The Doors ever did, stone dead.
>>61344519
And t'you as well, kind sir! A tip of mine hat, to thee!
>>61344546
>newfags don't know about the Scaruffi meme
damn baka desu senpai
>being contrarian on purpose
>3 days from 2015+1
>>61344554
You are retarded. Revolver was released before any doors album.
>>61344342
>>61344446
>They would agree that the Doors are better than the Beatles, whether they hate them or not.
god damn, posts like these make me realize how lucky I've got it with being high-functioning
>>61344554
Whatever the Rolling Stones have shat out in the last decade, as they try to keep on going, is better than the best Beatles album. You're so hung up on the Doors example, when there's a laundry list of bands that bury the Beatles, and that's just including their contemporaries.
>>61344594
I know! And it still left a bigger mark on music! Ain't that some shit? Huh? Ain't that some shit?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zMG15f-A4s
>>61340099
It wasn't bad but come on man, it's a 6/10 at most
>>61342347
Agreed
>>61344619
The Stones took so much from them I'm shocked you can bring them up as somehow better in this discussion. The Stones wished they were The Beatles.
The 4 kinds of faggots
1. The Beatle worshiper
>Thinks the Beatles can do no wrong, they are perfect and the most important band ever. (Old music is better)
2.The Modern Poptimist
>Hates the Beatles because they are old, "boring", white, and slow. They think Lana Del Rey is a rebel and Kanye West is a genius.
3.The Scaruffidrone
>Thinks the Beatles are objectively bad because they wrote pop songs, thinks that music has to be obscure and or weird to be good
4.The Patrician
>Recognizes the Beatles as a good pop band that has an important level of influence but that the band isn't one of the greatest achievments in art. Simply just a fun 60's pop group.
>>61342608
>nice strawman m8
Why use these phrases when you don't understand them.
well this basically happened in the 70s as well. they'll come around to it when they're adults; for now, tumblr kids just desperately want a beatles phenomenon of their own - preferably made up of queer minorities to serve the narrative they've been fed
>>61344656
>Simply just a fun 60's pop group.
this position is equally as bad as the others desu
>>61344656
#4 is like being a moderate in politics. there's no point in discussing it, because even if you say the exact same thing, one person might construe it as you liking the beatles, and another, as you disliking them. i mean, it's already happening ITT
>>61344783
This.
>>61343407
people are growing up, the people on old /mu/ were edgy contrarian teenagers just like you, accept it mate
>>61344431
>go to see The Doors live
>It Ain't Me starts playing
>>61344783
So what if the answer is correct. Not everything has to be a decisive opinion.
>this thread
/mu/ lliterally turning over their staple "the fact that beatles..." and "the beatles are overrated shit" conviction in order to be contrarian to random people on twitter.
This place is gone.
>>61345255
>people have different opinions and are actually having a discussion instead of just shitposting
filtered
>>61345255
Kill yourself tripfaggot. Filtered.
>>61340073
>waaahhh people have different opinions than me :(
fuck this place, this board is worse than tumblr
>>61340218
Wow, you surely are a music nerd :)
>>61340088
>tfw this is all I need to call something shit
I'm sure I'll only pretend to have enjoyed it when I'm forced to go watch it.
>>61345590
>triggered
>>61342608
>analytic philosophy
I came from /his/ just to tell you to kill yourself.
>>61340095
This.
T. Bong.
Oh wow, a bunch of new generation pot sitrrers disliking something that isn't their generation? Never seen that before!
>yfw scaruffi gave revolver a 5 and jenny death a 6
>>61345950
I prefer it over "I was born in the WRONG generation and I want to apolgize for what they have done to music XD". They'll be posting here soon if they haven't already started.
>>61340073 (OP)
The "DAE Beatles Sux XD" are just tumblr fags who listened to "Hello, Goodbye" once and thought it sucked. I can agree that song is shit-tier but their later output is almost god-tier. I can bump Abbey Road and Rubber Soul all damn day.
>>61346002
He's right you know.
Beatles, like Nirvana, are overrated but still definitely "good".
>>61340286
>"look, i'm contrarian" shit is as predictable as it is boring
...he says, posting on /mu/.
>>61346330
100% correct
>>61346503
This type of simple self meta bullshit is reddit tier fuck off
>>61346010
Nah, le right generation is and always was more autistic than wrong generation
