>kills nirvana
>declares war on pavement
what happened to corgan
>48 years old
>still playing shows
hell be fine
With his hair went his sanity.
>>61332913
too soon
>>61332727
the loss of his hair
>>61332913
DON'T YOU FUCKING DARE YOU LITTLE SHIT
OUT ON TOUR WITH THE SMASHING PUMPKINS
>>61332727
Despite all his rage, he was still just a rat in a cage.
>>61332999
damn...
>>61332913
greatest meme desu
Billy Corgan wrote more great songs than Nirvana and Pavement combined.
>>61333044
Individually? Yes.
Combined? Ehhh...
>>61333044
>>61333044
go to bed billy
>>61333044
popularity ≠ quality
>>61333076
Combined, baby.
>>61332727
He was fool enough to almost be it, but cool enough to not quite see it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9feHSMtkhRc
>>61333044
This 2bh. He may as well have been the only member of the Pumpkins who are one of the most acclaimed bands in recent times, he's literally the 90's best superstar and while Nirvana and Pavement are really good they just don't have the same prowess and variety. Too bad he went crazy and decided to drive his band into the ground.
Billy Corgan just has grumpy old man syndrome.
>>61333044
Also, Billy wrote more songs than both bands combined.
>>61333189
>>61333248
quality > quantity
>>61333404
Billy had both, baby.
>>61333423
never better than Malkmus
Pavement were and ok Sonic Youth ripoff with a few great songs. Nirvana had 1 and a half great albums.
The Pumpkins had 4 great albums, and a shit load of amazing b-sides.
>>61333404
>all these fags saying shit like this
>he was popular so he can't be good!
>so what if he wrote hundreds of songs?!
How old are you fucking faggots that you literally don't know shit about Billy Corgan? He was the Bowie of the 90's you shitty children.
>inb4 go to bed Billy
If all you're gonna do is meme then go back to /r9k/ you losers.
>>61333574
>>61333574
go to bed billy
>>61332913
best new meme for 2016 desu
>>61333566
>Pavements better cuz not a lot of people know about them don't you know that's how it works!!!
>>61333610
but a lot of people know about pavement, anon
they're super popular
>>61333593
>replies with tumblr picture
Of course
>>61333604
Regardless of what comes from this thread you can rest easy knowing that Billy is ten times as renowned as this guy for his musical abilities
>>61333662
At least he's still out there getting it done.
A lot of bands from the 90s do nothing but play their greatest hits.
They don't even bother writing new songs.
Corgan is a very underrated guitar player and song writer.
I mean, Nirvana are great and everything, but why did they have such an impact on the culture, when Corgan was writing better hits?
pavement has 3 good albums and they sound the same. pumpkins have 4 great albums and they actually go somewhere different with each one. hell pisces iscariot is a b-side album and it's as good as anything pavement's ever done.
>>61333638
Whenever I used to play Pavement on plug.dj I'd get spammed with meh's
>>61333638
>implying
I bet you think DG is super popular to cuz people talk about them on Reddit.
>>61333675
Siamese Dream
Parts of Mellon Collie
Adore
Yeah, I'm seeing like 2 and a half for the Pumpkins here
>>61333699
that's because it sounds like generic indie rock.
>>61333733
Heck I wouldn't even count Adore as great. Good at best.
So we're down to 1 and a half great albums.
>>61333686
Corgan had more of an impact, but nobody acknowledges it because Kurt killed himself, making it cooler and easier to be all in his shit.
>>61333699
I just meant in general. When I worked at a radio station, every single person there liked Pavement. (And obvs I don't mean popular in the mainstream sense 'cause Pavement didn't have much mainstream success.)
>>61333720
nah see my above comment. I mean popular as in people who are into music tend to like Pavement.
>>61333675
D'arcy was such a cutie.
>>61333786
>>61333758
>I
Look I know it's all subjective, but your opinion doesn't automatically change their amazing 90's output. You can't just say "I don't like that so now WE are down to this" there is no we, their first 4 albums are universally acclaimed, minus Adore sort of. Also
>not liking Adore
Lmao could you be anymore pleb?
>>61333809
>>61333733
>not including Gish
Fuck you.
>>61333777
Nice trips, but do you know what popular means? Just because 4 people you worked with liked Pavement doesn't mean they're anywhere near popular. Look I really like Pavement, but there is no case to be made for them being better or more popular than Pavement. Maybe you like them more, but that doesn't change the truth.
Isn't he supposed to release his memoirs soon? I really want to read them.
>>61333884
>Look I really like Pavement, but there is no case to be made for them being better or more popular than Pavement.
>>61333786
Was is the key word here
>>61333809
>>61333832
D'arcy Rektzky.
>>61333903
Oh fuck you you know what I mean, nice pic btw
>>61333820
Pavement has at least 3 universally acclaimed albums as well to largely the same extent if we're talking critics and "enthusiasts"
>mfw The Sadlands Demos alone are better than anything pavement put out
>>61333948
Yeah I don't deny that, unfortunately for you 4>3
>>61333884
>more popular than Pavement.
guessing you meant smashing pumpkins?
I wasn't saying Pavement was more popular than them. I was saying that, in general, Pavement is a popular band. They're hardly underground. Their music is critically acclaimed. They're one of the more well known indie rock bands of the '90s, for sure. Not sure how you could argue otherwise.
>>61333809
>>61333832
She must be the inspiration for Where Boys Fear to Tread
>>61333175
underskated coast
>>61333977
Well, as you said Adore probably doesn't really count in the same way Brighten the Corners might not count for Pavement. I'd personally hesitate to include Gish in the "great" list as well, as nostalgic as it is for me.
What's your favorite SP song?
I love Silverfuck.
>>61333998
Ok I misunderstood, now we're on the same level and yes Pavement is really good. Although I disagree that they aren't underground, what proof do you have otherwise?
>>61334100
Blue or maybe Drown, probably Drown
>>61334100
Rhinoceros, Cherub Rock, and Drown are my top 3 in no particular order.
>>61334100
>>61334166
No wait! It's Hummer!
>>61334030
Yes I see, but this "personal hesitation" doesn't really mean much in the way of what we're discussing. Gish is what put them on the map in the first place and it had its share of hit songs. Also it's a wonderful transition album as far as the classic hard rock to alternative rock movement is concerned.
>>61334138
Well, for one, Cut Your Hair was a top 10 Billboard song after its release. Pavement also sold out just about most of their shows when they reunited (Hell, I saw the Jicks in early 2014, and that show sold out well in advance). The sheer volume of their critical claim kinda points against them being underground. I'm not saying they're a mainstream band or anything, but you don't have to dig very long before you come across Pavement.
>>61334138
Not him, but they've always been a favorite of mainstream critics, hell, I'd heard their music at a fairly young age and I wasn't a particularly adventurous or "underground" listener when I was a kid.
>>61334193
Good fucking taste anon if I was a girl I would lick that fat cock
>>61334100
They have too many great songs, it's impossible for me to choose.
>>61334263
>>61334275
Ok I guess I was just obliviously unaware of them before coming to /mu/ as much as I hate to admit it. When it comes to the 90s I usually focus more on post-hardcore and that sort of rough aspect of Pavements music compared to the somewhat cleaner sound of the Pumpkins is what really struck me about their music and sets them apart for me. Both are great bands, but honestly I feel like Billy gets less love around here solely cuz they were played on the radio and /mu/ is being overrun by friendless losers that only care about being "superior" on the Internet to vent their frustration with being losers. Also I'm drinking.
>>61334414
they have 1 good song literally
>>61334440
Wow this is a really good post I mean you even named the song and everything like holy fuck post of the year easily
>>61333786
>>61333809
>>61333832
I wonder if she's still looks decent in that department.
>>61332913
wew lad
>>61334531
YOU CAN NEVER EVER LEAVE
>>61334560
GOD IS EMPTY JUST LIKE ME
>>61333733
>no Gish
>>61333733
>not including The Aeroplane Flies High
>>61332913
i really hope he dies to be honest
he's cancer to music
Pumpkins will always lose to Pavement, Corgan's voice sounds retarded.
HER LOVE IS AAAAAAAAAAH
VAM
PII
EEHHRRRRRRRRRRRRRHGHF
>>61333733
>no Pisces Iscariot
>>61334642
Lmao good post upvote fosho muh breh
>>61334642
Pavement's vocals aren't all than great m8. He can barely hold a tune unless he's screaming
>>61332727
Too much time with pro wrestling has left him brain dead
>>61334642
Billy's voice sounds fine on Gish and Siamese Dream. It's when he starts doing that whiny voice on Mellon Collie where his singing starts to become annoying.
grunge si bad
>>61334765
I actually really like the vocals on Mellon Collie. It fits the music. It's what attracted me to them in the first place. I can understand why someone might be put off by them though, especially in the bland American Idol/X Factor times we live in. His vocals aren't that great now though.
>>61334798
You're bad.
Also, the Pumpkins only had like 3 songs that could even be considered "grunge."
>>61334798
SP aren't grunge, but I'll assume you're baiting and leave it at that.
>>61334898
they are bad
nirvana is bad>>61334907
>>61334891
Oh I know, in fact the shrill voice actually grew on me after a while. I still prefer his softer singing on the earlier albums, though.
>Cut Your Hair
Billy wrote one good song, 1979, which may not be enough to redeem him.
>>61333809
wanted to be courtney so bad
>>61334798
they're shoegaze dumbass
>>61334959
Iha, please go.
>>61333538
Switch pavement and pumpkins and you are correct.
>>61334970
Man, early to mid Courtney was hot as fuck.
>>61334992
Nah, they're obviously nu metal.
>>61335076
>>61334992
>>61334907
>>61334898
who cares
they SUCK
>>61335062
She was the Lana del ray of the 90
S
>>61335195
thisss
Why are we even comparing The Pumpkins and Pavement? It's like comparing The Beatles and The Shaggs. The Shaggs being Pavement. Not even in the same league.
>>61335371
>>61335062
ya her 1997-1999 face was the best
>>61334100
In The Arms Of Sleep, Daphne Descends, Rocket, Porcelina and.....oh I can't choose something from all those b-sides.
No particular order, of course.
>>61335062
I couldn't tell if I liked her tits in Montage of Heck.
>>61335371
But it isn't at all like that.
>>61335555
I may have exaggerated for effect
>>61332913
Can someone explain this meme. Please lads.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNC6McdI414
20 years later he still mad as fuck
>>61333233
>90's
>>61333233
>superstar
Billy had hair worse than Michael Stipe.
He is better off bald.
They became GothGlam and influenced Metallica.
Smashing Pumpkins were more 80s than most credit them. That is why they went the same 80s Neo-Emo-Glam-Goth like Robert Smith mixed with Eddie Van Halen.
You hate it because I'm right.
Also, in retrospect people don't account for how whiny and pretentious Corgan was for years.
Also, wasn't into pro wrestling for a while?
>>61333044
This. Pavement ate shit and Nirvana was just the flagship band for 'grunge'. Nothing special about either, musically.
If it wasn't for Nevermind, Gish would have set the pumpkins up for Nirvana-tier stardom. Siamese Dream was what killed Nirvana though. Nothing Kurt could do would top that, so he offed himself.
Or rather, Courtney realized she placed her bet on the losing horse so she offed him and took the insurance money - not knowing that killing him would make him a grunge martyr and a billion dollar fortune.
