>chance the rapper being an industry plant
>paying off pic related to switch his style up because it was too similar to chance
>kanye writers for Travis Scott basically a Kanye plant for music that isn't right for himself
>that hip hop meeting in the 90s
>MJ is still kickin
>Andrew WK is not real
>Mccartney is not real
>Beyonce and Jay Z had a surrogate and Bey was never pregnant
>Lorde is an industry plant is likely older than we believe
>Miley Cyrus is genuine and any conspiracy surrounding her is false
>>61266306
Just end yourself
>>61266335
hey lereddit
why OP?
just... why?
>>61266335
>no interesting discussions allowed on this board
>>61266306
Plants is a real thing, not even a conspiracy.
>>61266363
>>61266377
>coming to mu for discussion
Also, you might as well be wearing a tinfoil hat for half of those
I genuinely suspect that Iggy Azalea was originally a failed pop star who switched styles and had her raps ghostwritten by A$AP Rocky and T.I.
>>61266377
plants live in the gorund
>>61266367
Dumb frogposter.
ITT: INDUSTRY PLANTS
The answer is obvious and fUkkin end ur life if u don't believe it
Odd Future = Industry plant, failed experiment to create hip hop and R&B that appealed to white hipsters.
Tyler is a douchey high school jock who got lucky and everything he does is scripted. Earl was actually serious though and when Tyler failed the people who wrote music for Tyler started writing music for Earl. The writers realized white people didn't like "joke rap" and wanted "real shit" hence Doris and all subsequent albums.
Frank Ocean was successful of course but he still has his shit written for him.
The rest are poor saps who got suckered into this game and failed. Once record execs realized they weren't profitable they tossed 'em. Already happened to Taco Bennett, Mike G, probably going to happen to Hodgy and Domo next.
tay tay goes to 4chan.
I still believe.
>>61266306
>that hip hop meeting in the 90s
cum again?
>>61266507
>Kurt Cobain: 5'11
>Rivers Cuomo: 5'6
What'd he do, cut off his feet?
>>61266641
kurt's 5'9, keep it up kid
>>61266507
Kurt is visibly more manly than Rivers. Like it's not even close and the chin dimple is telling.
My theory is that Tupac, Biggie and Cobain were all assassinated by Alphabet Soup as part of cointel operations.
>>61266306
>P.Diddy actually set up the 1996 shooting of 2Pac
(There is actually heavy evidence he did but still)
>Kanye is actually gonna run for president, that's why he left GOOD music
>Pusha-T could be gay for Lil Wayne
>Young Thug is being in the closet because he's slowly paving the way for Gay rappers
>Sony killed Michael Jackson
Mariah Carey holds ALL the power
>>61266306
Chance is independent and has zero songs on the radio, you're retarded if you think he's an industry plant.
pac fucked madonna.
Young Thug is genuinely near-retarded and the only reason he is pushed is to accustom people to a lower-effort style of hip-hop (autotuned mumbling).
>>61266746
lmao an industry plant that releases his first 3 albums for free, it's good business I tell ya!
>>61266306
hip hop meeting in the 90s is retarded. no way that shit happened
travis scott writes for yee, not the other way around, confirmed by amber rose
>>61266768
He seems like a p standard guy
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/gxe7j/iama_a_hiphop_artist_on_the_verge_of_signing_a
>>61266306
>>that hip hop meeting in the 90s
what is this?
>>61266306
>>MJ is still kickin
I could see that
>>61266507
if ur going on picture evidence alone he would have had to have gotten surgery on his face and that's really a stretch
>>61266495
>INDUSTRY PLANTS
what is the deal with 'industry plants?' can someone define this and explain how it's any different than the regular process popstars and rappers get made?
like, they don't just make people in a laboratory. in an ordinary situation regular people making music get picked up by big labels and their music gets revised by groups of people working to optimize its marketability. It's a completely normal occurrence. I remember reading a cracked article once about a rapper that did this for instance. I just don't see what people mean by 'industry plant' cause it doesn't make a lot of sense. There are millions of people making music that are willing to sell out and have their music changed by a label to be successful, so what is the difference between just a regular shmuck on a corporate label and a so callled 'industry plant?' you guys make it sound like it's some gay tinfoil shit
>>61266746
>chance makes 2 million a year from touring
>uncle is Spike Lee
>Family invests in Tobacco Companies
>Financed Obamas Campaign.
excuse you
>>61266768
Nah YT is the James Joyce of rap
>>61266787
He must have drank enough lean to fry his brain since then
>>61266306
>>61266583
>http://www.hiphopisread.com/2012/04/secret-meeting-that-changed-rap-music.html?m=1
>that hip hop meeting in the 90s
It's all there. But fuck it's too much.
Can someone give the tl;dr ?
>>61266813
Man that sounds like a bigger deal than it actually is.
>>61266768
>(autotuned mumbling).
this has been trendy with a lot of hip electronic music for the past few years now. It's no surprise it's getting praise
>>61266552
I could totally believe this. Tyler is such a fucking character.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNrrzQ6_zh0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcHxiWwubnk
Just look at his Nardwuar interviews. He so obviously has no idea what's going on in both of them. In the 2015 one it's literally
>his smile and optimism: gone
He's having all this music history shit thrown at him, he obviously doesn't know dick about it and just wants the fame/money. He just looks completely stressed out and broken down from the image people have been putting on him.
>>61266427
That's actually what happened.
>>61266785
he tours constantly and sells merch
>>61266833
Promoting gangster culture in order to create more inmates and so more $ for the prison owners
>>61266801
HURR STRAIGHT UP HURR DURR
>>61266813
>chance makes 2 million a year from touring
He could be making way more if he didn't release all his shit for free
>uncle is Spike Lee
Did you not see his reaction to Chi-raq? I don't think he cares for the guy
>>61266940
Weirder things have happened. I buy it.
>>61266552
totally spot on dude, was thinking about the same concept few days ago.
fuck odd future and their blown out egos thinking they were the new wutang clan
>>61267083
I don't buy it at all. It's highly unrealistic and extreme USA-centric. Gangster rap has had a big appeal all over the western world, and there are numerous countries ( like mine) where prisons are exclusively state property, so there would be 'no incentive' to launch gangster rap here.
It's just edgy, and teenagers like to be edgy. that's all man.
>>61266833
>Can someone give the tl;dr ?
"JEWS DID GANGSTA RAP !"
>>61267124
Well anon, it is not extreme compared to things that happened in secret during our history.
Also, those outsiders didn't care about other parts of the world, their eyes were on profits from US prisons and possibly other motives.
>>61267143
jews? What about jews is in there?
>>61266940
>Promoting gangster culture in order to create more inmates and so more $ for the prison owners
I could believe it. I guess there's a reason not a lot of people care for conscious/political hip-hop anymore
>>61267223
Then why is TPAB the most critically acclaimed album of the year?
>>61267191
But why could gangster rap gain ground in other western countries then? That implies that it has some natural appeal to people, which could also be the reason why people in the US actually listen to it.
>>61267276
Popularity is what is important. Also, this event happend 25 years ago. It's likely that the same operation is not being conducted.
>>61266955
Nobody pays for releases, an artists touring strength is their whole carreer
>>61266306
First 2 were very plausible but also who cares like of course chance is a fraud.
>>61267276
i wonder the same thing every day
>>61267300
That's irrelevant to the story. It doesn't matter if it got popular overseas, the plan was to popularize music that encouraged criminal behavior in black people and the lower classes within America.
>>61267191
>>61267191
>>61267143
>>61267223
Actually scratch that. Hip-Hop came from black urban areas , where it's known for their violence. Rappers will rap about what they see. White/jewish corporations may have heavily endorse it, but Gangster rap was created by blacks
>>61267276
because it's a dumb conspiracy promoted by le wrong generation. The truth is that gangsta rap was originally a way for crack hustlers to tell their story of growing up dealing drugs and their hopes of having a real career. as the 90's progressed more and more fake rappers thought this was badass and cool and attached it to their image.
Gangsta rap is/was popular because it appealed to young people's base instincts of wealth, fame, debauchery, and naughtiness. For young men it was also a power fantasy of being a tough, hardboiled badass who dealt drugs like Tony Montana.
And I say this as someone who loves trap/gangsta/drill rap.
>>61266495
Logic
>>61267385
I agree with p much everything you're saying
The article looked like something pulled out the arse of someone who would listen to posthumous Tupac releases
do industry plants know they are industry plants? Like does someone come up to them like sit down, sing this smile for this and shut your mouth. or do they genuinely think they are making the music ?
>>61267424
Yeah also French Montana and MGK.
>>61266424
GET RAPED REDDITOR. Go back to /r/circlejerk and shitpost there, we WANT to have discussions here.
>>61267385
>For young men it was also a power fantasy of being a tough, hardboiled badass who dealt drugs like Tony Montana.
This.
After listening to too much Biggie, Jay-Z, Pusha-T. etc I always thought it be cool if I just drop out of school, and change to a badass king pin/rapper. It's a fantasy, but still...
okay I geniunely feel retarted for believing the Paul is dead theory, but it makes so much sense
>>61266306
i wish i was a industry plant sounds fun
>>61267562
I know the secret to upsetting this trip. everybody watch this.
Jai Paul is a plant.
So....what exactly is an industry plant?
>>61267575
Hemp
>>61267574
i know :)
>>61267582
Ite
>>61267501
I'd believe it, Alice's nose looks like a classic FFS nose.
>>61267575
randoms with zero/unknown music history who works or signs with well established artist/producers on their first release
>>61267501
Richey has normal people eyes
Alice has weird FAS eyes
>conspiracy debunked
What is industry plant? I'm not American, not really used to this term
And Vic isn't very similar to Chance, even though they both are childhood friends and founders of SAVEMONEY.
Vic still has a lot of KTD to his game.
>>61267575
also they seem to have no issue getting buzz from the industry.
>>61267575
hypothetical you are Lorde and somehow know Kanye west. Kanye writes and produces a top 40 track but he can't do it because his demographic will eat him up so he gives it to Lorde. thats basically what a plant is someone with connections
>>61267651
listen to Vic Mensa pre 2014 he is exactly like Chance.
Plants are any musicians who got big in their teens. ONLY exceptions being
>justin bieber
>earl sweatshirt
>>61267690
You know INNAETAPE is from 2013 right
>>61266552
They made music way before they blew up and it's well documented. Frank writes music for other people (Beyonce, Beiber etc.) so he most likely wrote his own stuff. Taco doesn't even really make music. You're talking out of your ass.
>>61267723
that is exactly what I was talking about. Orange Soda is straight out of Chances note book
Conspiracy time:
Shel SIlverstein ghost-wrote A Boy Named Sue for Johnny Cash
>>61267665
Damn. I always thought Lorde's story was super fish. Just some random, witchy girl from New Zealand who happened to get a lot of listens. Then her debut gets a Grammy.
I do believe she is her age though. When I watched her interviews she really talked like a 17 year old. A pretentious, know it all, but a 17 y/o nonetheless
>>61267723
>>61267743
not just that song that whole tape is basically vic doing chance t b h
>>61267454
Fuck French Montana honestly. He's gotta be the most average rapper alive.
>>61267825
Totally agree. Can't even remember what he sounds like Tbh
ignore fetty he's cool but raury is for sure one
>>61267665
This is completely wrong, an industry plant is just an indie artist who gets signed by a label but isn't open about it. The only reason people look down on it is because hip hop has some obsession with authenticity.
See: http://www.djbooth.net/index/news/entry/indie-rapper-secretly-signed-major-label
http://www.djbooth.net/index/news/entry/2015-06-18-goldlink-myth-organic-artist
>>61267574
Why would you post this he debuted btstu in 2009 he very clearly is the opposite of what a plant is
>>61267743
Damn
Never really connected the dots. I'm kinda shocked here.
Holy Holy is also very Chance-y. Dang. Don't believe the paying off shit but idk how I didn't notice this.
That JUSTICE League nigga dude prod most of INNAETAPE and 10Day too. Probably got something to that.
>>61267862
hmm you seem to have ignored the first part of my comment about how I was just trying to rustle that trips jimmies. pay attention Sam .
>>61267861
a plant is just someone with connections. nothing more.
PI'm proud, man. A hip hop conspiracy thread and no one has posted "HOV is in the Illunaughty!" yet.
>>61266306
>Lorde is an industry plant
No shit, she was signed by the time she was 12 or something.
>>61267926
I know people are skeptical about that shit, but if you read the alphabet soup black ops in our past, it's really not crazy at all.
The power that music has combined with the minimum decades of mind control experimentation? Nothing is out of the question.
>>61267926
Illuminati is a meme
>>61266306
>chance the rapper being an industry plant
>Beyonce and Jay Z had a surrogate and Bey was never pregnant
>Lorde is an industry plant is likely older than we believe
these are literally real
>>61268010
Source on the Lorde thing? Why would they want her to seem younger than she is?
>>61266641
"rivers" literally had his leg surgically shortened. you can see the leg brace under the baggy pants here if you look closely: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RFTB5vgV_4
IT ALL MAKES SENSE
>>61268018
>>61268018
I'm the OP so I'll say why I posted it. A lot of people in the Inudstry say she is in her late 20s not jealous people either people who are legit successful and have no reason to lie.
>>61268018
>I'm kind of older than I was when I reveled without a care
"Hi, I'm Ella," she "deadpanned" to Vanity Fair last week, "and I'm actually 45."
>>61268018
shes in her 30s or 40s at least
>>61266306
>Lorde is an industry plant is likely older than we believe
the only thing about Lorde is she was on a development deal since she was like 12 or something
she has played in other bands but they didnt work
her sessions with Joel Little were label suggested
>>61268127
So what you're telling me is, Lorde is Randy Marsh.
>>61268018
>>61268127
Ive seen Lorde's older sister in real life though
she's like 22
HAIM were pressured by their father to get into music. He wanted them to be cash cows for him and his wife to milk.
Read their wikipedia bio and it makes a lot of sense.
>>61266552
Except Tyler's been producing music since he was like 13 and there are YouTube videos of him and Jasper fucking around, and him, Hodgy, and Left Brain? performing at like a high school talent show.
C'mon now. same shit with Travi$ too, he's got like 5 collab mixtapes with a dude from Houston or something
>>61268286
Ok Tyler.
>>61267308
>Nobody pays for releases
Op said conspiracy thread, not ylyl thread
>>61266955
>Did you not see his reaction to Chi-raq? I don't think he cares for the guy
I don't ACTUALLY believe this per say but if you're so ready to call Chance the Rapper an industry plant you might also come to the conclusion that his reaction to Chi-raq could just be for buzz considering this is Lee's most talked about film in a while.
>>61268349
I don't think so, Chance has shown he cares about Chicago alot:he's hosted multiple free rap nights for high school kids, one of them where Kanye and Vic played and recently got like $100000 so he could build a factory that would employ poorer people to help make coats for the homeless in Chicago
>>61266306
>chance the rapper being an industry plant
>that hip hop meeting in the 90s
Elaborate
>>61268437
read the thread. control f
>Music Conspiracies You Actually Believe
>Suge Knight gave Eazy E AIDS through an AIDS infected Acupuncture needle
>Suge Knight had Tupac and/or Biggie killed
>Thom Yorke and his partner/wife had an open relationship
>Thom Yorke got Ed O'Brien and the other Radiohead members to play ball with Kid A and later albums by constantly threatening to leave the band. They did what he said so he wouldn't
>Kendrick Lamar is an atheist or agnostic but claims to be Christian so he won't lose a Christian audience or be seen as controversial.
>Frank Ocean has depression
>Kim Deal knew the pixies Indie Cindy album would suck so she left
>Warpaint have lesbian orgies with each other
>Robert Pattinson is getting cucked either with or without his knowledge
>MC Ride is bi-sexual
>Cole from DIIV is getting cucked/cheated on
>ASAP Rocky probably owes Clams Casino and other producers a lot of money for their work
>Most Rappers probably have herpes
>Drake didn't want to be kissed by Madonna because he thought she had herpes
>>61266306
>>chance the rapper being an industry plant
no
>>paying off pic related to switch his style up because it was too similar to chance
literally who
>>kanye writers for Travis Scott basically a Kanye plant for music that isn't right for himself
learn english
>>that hip hop meeting in the 90s
objectively true
>>MJ is still kickin
no
>>Andrew WK is not real
no
>>Mccartney is not real
no
>>Beyonce and Jay Z had a surrogate and Bey was never pregnant
no
>>Lorde is an industry plant is likely older than we believe
no
>>Miley Cyrus is genuine and any conspiracy surrounding her is false
yes
>>61267787
>sings about being poor
>from the richest area of new zealand
>"i'm not like other girls"
>"i'm not like other RICH girls"
what's an industry plant
>>61268636
CONTROL F
>>61267385
This, absolutely.
>>61268503
MC Ride bi? You have a source or is that just speculation.
>>61266873
>doesn't even know the name of MF DOOM's record label
isn't DOOM like one of his self-proclaimed "biggest influences"? tyler's such a fucking hack
>>61268668
speculation
You guys know Chance's dad worked for Obama when he was a senator in IL, right
His family owns some bacco farms, so money wasn't really an issue. He did go through some tough ass shit regardless, like seeing his best friend shot and killed
He's also been very vocal about not wanting to get tied to a label to get big.
>"Label deals suck, that’s just the truth of it," Chance said. "People believe you have to be discovered by a higher power, who hires you and takes a percentage, but in reality, you have to garner a fan base on your own."
About releasing free tapes
>"That feeling of getting something free—it’s a complete turnaround from what the industry feeds us," Chance said. "Why charge a dollar for [a song] when that’s not doing anything but making people undervalue music? None of my songs are worth 99 cents. They’re worth a lot more."
>“It’s a dead industry. The whole point of Acid Rap was just to ask people a question: does the music business side of this dictate what type of project this is? If it's all original music and it's got this much emotion around it and it connects this way with this many people, is it a mixtape? What's an album these days, anyways? 'Cause I didn't sell it, does that mean it's not an official release? So I might not ever drop a for-sale project. Maybe I'll just make my money touring,” Chance said.
He even turned down TDE, man
>"Yeah," he said, when asked about turning down the offer from TDE . "Don't say it like that, though. I turned down being signed."
>"I'm on tour now. I've only signed mixtapes, never signed to a label. Everything that I do is a part of my own business, and I think that in doing so, as an independent artist, it gives some stake back in the music industry."
Hating on Chano is literally the biggest meme of 'em all.
>>61268867
you wasted a lot of time with this comment. No one is hating on chance. we are in a conspiracy thread discussing the OP. We are talking about whether or not he has connections in the industry.
>>61266306
>Lorde is an industry plant is likely older than we believe
something is odd about the fact that the record company signed her at 13 and she didnt release an album until she was 17
>>61268935
I really like chi hip hop scene, so i enjoyed gathering this info to backup my overall image of him
and about hating chance, it's just how i've seen people talk about him every time he's brought up in here
and also, my post was a reply to the arguments here saying he's an industry plant
>>61266306
>Andrew WK is not real
what?
>>61266306
I definitely agree that Chance is an industry plant. I mean Acid Rap was great, but Surf was garbage and the dude gets a ridiculous amount of coverage for someone who hasn't done anything worthwhile since 2013.
Idk about any of that other shit you said.
>>61269250
The attention he gets is because he's always releasing shit, doing social shit, touring and collabing
Acid Rap being one of the best tapes ever also helps
>>61269250
he toured 45 weeks this year lmao he deserves it t b h but yeah he prolly a plant
>>61266306
>Kenny G ghostwrites for Merzbow
curt was murdered 100% not even memeing
>>61266580
I think there was a time she was fame-thirsty enough to check out what people might be saying about her here -think of it as a kind of demographic test- but that time has passed.
"Industry plant" is one of the stupidest terms I've ever heard of. It seems people are just giving a new name to people selling out, that term also is way overused. I'm sure labels to look for people to be icons for music written by 50 year old men for pop hits but that's been known for decades. Maybe the term is as old but it seems like I've just been hearing it recently for some reason.
>>61267501
Yeah but Alice was like a 16 year old girl when she first got involved with Crystal Castles.
>>61266507
cobain played left handed
>>61268212
I tend to agree and think Haim is some honky-ass shit, but I love Danielle's aesthetic.
the real reason why the first vocalist of iron maiden (paul day) was dismissed is being covered up
>>61268503
>Thom Yorke got Ed O'Brien and the other Radiohead members to play ball with Kid A and later albums by constantly threatening to leave the band. They did what he said so he wouldn't
This is interesting and something I could believe with the Kid A recording sessions, but afterwards they probably would have been onboard with a stylistic shift.
>>61268212
>While Danielle showed an aptitude for the guitar at a young age, Moti made the decision that Este would be more suited to the bass, buying her a second hand Fender for $50
Holy shit it's true.
>>61269347
>>61269703
what could be the reason?
>>61266580
I think she probably used to lurk. She seems autistic enough to be one of us.
>>61266306
>Miley Cyrus is genuine and any conspiracy surrounding her is false
I think YOU are an industry plant, trying to cover up the satanic truth behind Miley's new image.
>>61269757
who knows desu
rock and roll was invented by communists to destabilize america
I wrote an essay on this
>>61269274
>>61269301
But the stuff he releases isn't good or newsworthy IMO. Also touring isn't newsworthy, that's kinda just part of being a musician.
Don't get me wrong I do like the guy, but he reeks of the p4k club/industry plant type.
>>61268503
Where did the Thom cucking thing come from?
>>61269777
Shit! God just called you out, nigga!
Miley is satan confirmed
>>61269793
>the stuff he releases isn't good
idk, man people seem to love him
>>61269791
Interesting idea but not that believable I don't think. The USSR was afraid of pretty much every form of popular culture though and thought jazz could destabilize their country. I could see this as having been propaganda in the USSR though.
While they didn't like rock or jazz though (the government at least) I saw a Russian car commercial from the 70s that used a rerecorded Beatles song as its background music. I thought that was interesting.
http://www.conspirazzi.com/e-books/inside-the-lc.pdf
This is probably my favorite book about conspiracies in music.
Here's the guy's site.
http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/
ELLIOT SMITH AND KURT COBAIN WERE MURDERED
>>61266552
>failed
Most of them are pretty fuckin successful.
>Tyler
>douche
Say what you will about his edgy music but Tyler seems like one of the chilliest dudes in the industry. Watch his Big Boy interviews, it'll change how you view him
>suckered into the game
Literally Tyler got exposure off of Bastard so he got his friends together and was like "you niggas like music so let's make music nigga" and they did it. They made money, changed the game forever, worked with their heros, received critical and commercial attention and had fun. I envy their run, it was impressive.
If we're talking about industry plants, would you say they have to have sex with executives to get big, not unlike the Hollywood casting couch?
>>61271209
Dan "Get In The Van" Schneider has to own a recording studio.
>>61266427
>>61266882
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IosP8iSnwNk
>flying lotus doesn't even eat milky way candy bars.
>>61268503
I'd honestly believe most of these, especially the Suge Knight shit
>>61269824
Again, I like him too, but Surf was incredibly overrated and that mixtape with Lil B was a literall meme
>>61266446
fucking showed him
