I'm not talking about Shoegaze, Noise Pop, or Noise Rock. I'm talking about those wack records made by white supremacist with lame black and white or palette-less covers.
I still agree.
If you can't handle noise, go back to listening to your pop rap and light beta indie. No one's forcing you to listen to it.
>>61051332
Are you insane? Because you're assuming that if I don't like eating nails then I prefer thumbtacks.
I like noise sub genres like noise rap, noise rock, etc. but people who listen to harsh noise are fucking dumb. The only difference between harsh noise artists are the project names
>>61051366
Are you saying that nails would be preferable to thumbtacks?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Music/
>>61051240
>noise artists are all white supremacists
is this a new meme or something?? this isn't true at all.
>>61051428
why hate on people for liking something?
>>61051521
99% of noise fans ive ever met were racist fucks lol
>>61051428
Have you even listened to noise ever? Yeah, all the lame band camp artists suck, but there is definitely some good stuff out there.
I don't really get it at all but a friend of mine put it into good terms for me
It's a really safe way to experience unpleasant emotions that you'd have to actually be in danger to discover otherwise
I like hars noise and i aint no nazi racist man
AMA
>>61051549
this is the most bizarre anecdotal rubbish mate
I like noise and I'm obnoxiously liberal
>>61051240
Do you understand that most harsh noise artists are either japanese people or european dadaists? Do you know Merzbow has an album with a pink cover on it? Do you understand how connected is noise and black metal becoming lately with the popularization of the former by hipsters like yourself into the mainstream media?
Because if you are going to gather around the faggots from /mu/ who make this kind of music and judge said music by them, then every rapper would be an odd future loving lo-fi retard, every shoegaze would sound like it was produced by a dog, and every electronic music would be poor attempts at House.
>>61051428
Listen to Frozen Niagra Falls, then listen to Pulse Demon
>>61051652
/mu/ noise threads are actually generally pretty good desu
>>61051240
/NSS/ - National Socialists Supreme :)
>>61051332
>'if you don't like [something] go back to listening to [something popular, but implying that it's shitty because it's popular]!!'
is this youtube?
>>61051694
shutup faggot if you're confronted by aggression go back to your hugbox you're a lame-o square beta permavirgin cuck with a small dick
lmao
>>61051710
oh so this is youtube, ok I was just checking
>>61051710
IM TRIGGERED HOW DO I DOWNBOAT COME ON COME ON EVEN YOUTUBE, LAND OF SAVAGES, HAS DOWNBOATS
So... What's the point of this thread?
>>61051694
/mu/ has been getting more similar to youtube comments for a while.
yawn
the problem outsiders have with noise is that they're engaging with it in the totally wrong way. in most cases, noise exists to give context to something else - be it the artwork, track titles, performance, lyrics, or any part of the project. noise releases are often like collage in that each element is of equal importance, and they act together to present a whole
i remember reading an interview with dom fernow where he mentioned that most people have this really boring attitude towards music, a la "if it sounds good i like it", which is totally, totally missing the point of noise and the majority of experimental music. it's a platform for other ideas to exist on.
although having said that, i - and most noise fans - just love the way it sounds. it's awesome. especially live on a huge PA
>those wack records made by white supremacist with lame black and white or palette-less covers.
which is like judging all rock music on U2. it's a bigger scene than you realise
>>61051720
>>61051721
look how mad you are right now
>>61051733
For both side to throw youtube comments at each other.
>>61051742
who gives a fuck if its by white supremacists tbqh
you don't have to agree with someone's political views to enjoy something they have made
for instance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdAhNRp6dO0
>>61051332
what's wrong in indie music?
>>61051765
>genocide organ
>white supremacists
back to burzum with you famalam
>>61051765
which i totally agree with, i hope i didn't give that impression
the black-and-white-shocking-image-with-death-themes is an irritating stereotype because the nature of those releases makes them stick out from everything else. pretty much like a vocal minority
genocide organ is the shit and tesco is amazing
>>61051809
are they not?
I assumed they were due to name and cover art, but like I said, not really interested in that so much as the music itself
>>61051720
>oh so this is youtube
That would explain the unironic comparisons to household alliances and I could just turn on my tv comments in the last thread.
>>61051332
5 bucks says you work on your book at public cafe's and pride yourself on not owning a single piece of name brand clothing
>>61051240
You just know this is the kind of retarded shit that was said about heavy metal when it first surfaced into the popular media decades and decades ago. Another new genre arrived, it's weird as fuck, and people will complain about it as if it's something dangerous to the well-being of society.
Then two decades later another bizarre shit happens, the cycle repeats, and we proceed to see nothing of really new under the sun.
>>61051834
no lol
containing is not condoning, please recognise this
>>61051834
>I assumed they were due to name and cover art
do you think Death in June are nazis as well?
>>61051851
>defends indie sadboy feelings
>posts an image sourced from tumblr
>accuses noise fans of being coffeehouse-dwelling hipsters
it's funny because noise threads are consistently the most respectful, on topic , enthusiastic and articulated threads on /mu/
>>61051834
You really need to shake off that literalistic approach to music
>>61051895
It's not an approach to music, though, is it
that's the point
their beliefs have really very little to do with the music, and like I said
I couldn't give a shit less what they do or do not believe
>>61051560
Basically merzbow and then the rest sucks
>>61051676
I'll pass
>>61051521
By your logic, it's not nice to hate on Isis because they like killing innocent people
>>61051879
This. As an user who goes into most general threads to see what's happening, I'd say that:
/noise/ > /bleep/ > /metal/ > /hhg/
These are the ones I got to. I think the only issue the noise threads go through is that they are a bit slow and tend to die after a while, but when they appear they start great.
People who unironically enjoy noise/harsh noise must be the biggest narcissistic faggots in the world.
>>61051932
>only noise he listened to is merzbow
>says all noise is similar but refuses to listen than more than one artist
>compare liking harsh noise to being a terrorist
You could save everyone's time and put that last one on the beginning of your shit post so we know it's useless to read the rest since we're dealing with a major retard here.
>>61051932
>By your logic, it's not nice to hate on Isis because they like killing innocent people
that's exactly what it is like anon
perfect analogy
you are very intelligent
>>61051925
no, i'd argue that it is. you assumed they were supremacists just because they used supremacist imagery. and there beliefs have EVERYTHING to do with their music. why do you think they used those themes in the first place?
i don't want to force you into giving a shit, but you really should. i mean, the reason you enjoy that music is because they chose to make it.
ayy lmao the thread
>>61051948
that's a stupid generalisation and you're very narrow minded if you think that
noise and most "extreme" (heavy, heavy inverted commas) music is usually made by the most self-hating people of all
>>61051948
Yet you will never see anyone who listens to harsh noise posting about it on threads devoted to other genres like metal and rock fags do with hhg and bleep, and will hardly see these people talking about it out of their containment thread because they are perfectly aware of how experimental and weird this kind of shit is, but It's always nice to stroke our own egos and jerk it a bit by saying that if people like some weird shit they must be narcissistic retards like the black metal fags who invent "philosophies" on napkins on twitter because they are so transcendental.
>>61051932
this isnt at all the same thing.... by listening to noise you don't affect any other person, and whatever you do otherwise is just you doing something, not listening to noise.
>>61051958
thanks
>>61051549
i listen to some noise music. I am not a racist. there we go
repost of a good point made in your last shit-flinging spectacle of a thread:
why do people assume that music that doesn't follow verse-chorus-verse structures or use guitar, drums, bass, synths, vocals is automatically troll music if they don't like how it sounds?
seriously, for all the accusations of elitism and pretentiousness thrown at people who listen to music forms like EAI, noise, onkyo, etc., it seems to me that people who dismiss entire genres after listening to a single album from said genres are the actual pretentious people. i've also never ever ever ever heard an actual noise fan (like, invested in the scene, listening to a variety of noise music) describe their attraction to the music as primarily an intellectual exercise. same goes for onkyo and EAI.
it's just projection projection projection from Reddit posters and teenagers who caught sight of the Pulse Demon or Good Morning Good Night cover and decided to queue it one random day between TPAB and OK Computer and then they're shocked that they don't get anything out of it and convince themselves that people who like it must be lying as opposed to the more difficult truth: their sonic palette isn't very wide yet because they're just starting to get into music or have been into it for awhile but are stuck in a very specific niche and it's easier to just tell everyone outside their niche that they're only there to posture.
>>61051932
>Basically merzbow and then the rest sucks
congrats dude you're exactly the kind of insular 'music fan' addressed in >>61052020
>>61051963
well, unlucky
I don't, and nor "should" I
fuck off
>>61052034
that kind of hostility towards anything that challenges your worldview will just leave you stagnant.
regardless; suit yourself
>>61052034
You absolutely should unless you want music to remain a passing interest.
>>61052062
h o l y
s h i t
if I wanted to hear about their likely headache-inducingly boring political views, I would look them up and see what they had to say
I would not listen to their creative endeavours, which may or may not have been inspired by said political beliefs
when something is this abstract, arguing that it is for some reason so entirely inseparable from the intent of the creator, is fucking idiotic, do you get that?
I don't care about what they believe, what they believe is not important, and insisting that I "should" care is just banal.
If you claim to be into music and seriously STILL don't like noise, I'm to assume you're ether thirty or older or some kind of H&M street fashion hipster that still unironically listens to indie.
Seriously, noise music has been actively evolving for nearly a hundred years now. Get with the times, fucking old ass bitch.
>>61051811
>the black-and-white-shocking-image-with-death-themes is an irritating stereotype because the nature of those releases makes them stick out from everything else. pretty much like a vocal minority
That's basically what a lot of noise uses for its aesthetic, it's not a literal thing, it's an image put forward to accompany the abrasiveness of the music.
If you're really going to take this aspect of noise seriously then I think it goes over your head.
It descends from that whole punk rock zine xeroxed tape cover scene, where the music, the image, and the language are meant to be extremely nihilistic and edgy.
>>61052131
you either misinterpreted what i said or i just said it wrong
i never meant to imply abrasive images were a bad thing or purposeless
>>61052195
no, it was definitely a misinterpretation
there's some genuine fedoralord in this thread being an obnoxious prick
>>61052195
I was making a point more towards OP.
The image associated with the noise/power electronics scene is similar to that of the black metal scene, and owes its lineage to both the imagery used by industrial musicians, and underground DIY punk rock musicians.
I'm just happy I won't ever encounter a noise listener in my life.
ITT: people get butthurt because they can't tolerate other people's opinions
>>61052276
why
>>61052032
If you didn't like a genre, would you still listen to it?
>>61052099
calm down lmao
i never asked you to read a manifesto, just to appreciate where they were coming from and understand that it definitely inspires the music that you care about
>when something is this abstract, arguing that it is for some reason so entirely inseparable from the intent of the creator
no, it isn't, at all. in fact i'd say that most noise of that nature is pretty fucking clear cut.
taking genocide organ's leichenlinie for example, which you posted
>cover is a pile of corpses
>tracks included are titled "face of horror" and "stalin's origin".
if you *seriously* believe that genocide organ don't want you to consider war, it's background, and it's effects, and that these themes are in any way secondary, then you are outright ignorant. listening to this music for the audio alone is missing an enormous part of the picture
>>61051240
brb posting this to /r/lwg
>>61052331
if i didn't like flaming lips i wouldn't discount the entire genre of psychedelic rock
>>61052304
>why
hahahahahah
>>61052362
the audio is the music, friend
that is all the music is, and all it can be - the cover art, the titles of the tracks, these are not the music
this is something you apparently fail to understand, but it's ok because at least you aren't annoying and tedious
>>61052362
>if you *seriously* believe that genocide organ don't want you to consider war, it's background, and it's effects, and that these themes are in any way secondary
Secondary to what? What are you even talking about?
>>61052439
secondary to the intent of the people who created the music (and yes, you apparently have to care about this, no matter how tedious and boring it obviously is, and no, you can't just like the music)
>>61051956
Merzbow isn't the only straight up noise I've heard, my friends have various noise projects that make me want to kill innocent people. Let me compare my opinion to Vaporwave, since it's easier to make comparisons of. Some people only like Macintosh Plus instead of other Vaporwave albums because it's one of the first and the quintessential Vaporwave album. Some find that every other Vaporwave album isn't essential to hear because they all sound like Floral Shoppe. That's how I feel about harsh noise.
ITT: P4K indeh rawk faggot hipsters can't handle harsh noise and its "edgyness".
laffin Tbh
>>61052428
no man, i totally disagree. those things are important because they enormously change how you interpret the audio, and for something - like you said - as formless as noise, this is crucial
i do understand what you're saying, but that kind of philosophy simply doesn't apply to most noise. there are certainly artists active within noise who don't emphasise those things, such as hijokaidan, cock e.s.p, and kylie minoise, who are totally about just jamming, having fun, and nothing else, but by-and-large the genre is very politicised (for lack of a better word), and wants to present extramusical ideas, which take their shape through extramusical forms such as track titles, cover art and performance.
i really hope this doesn't come across as pretentious or anything
>>61052439
secondary to the audio, i meant.
>>61052599
mate...
oh my god
>>61051612
>implying you're weren't the cherry that was just picked
>>61051568
You either posted this yesterday or
d a n k p a s t a
>>61052428
Nah but it's part of the art and of the artist's message. Fuckwad
>>61052672
what's wrong
if you think this is retarded, which is an easy and understandable, then pick up a couple of books about noise or read some writing by people active in it
it is legit
What's even the point of this thread? Nobody is about to stop making noise music on account of some p4k tier Urban Outfitters rewards card holder finding it too edgy. Noise is less niche than it's ever been before, you seriously think a post on the Cantonese finger puppet forum is going to inhibit that growth? What are you even trying to accomplish?
>>61052723
*an easy and understandable assumption
>people surprised and annoyed by opinionated and ignorant outsiders
>>61052735
>What are you even trying to accomplish?
What about yourself? There are people that think unnatural noise is forced and devoid of value. They're curious why people enjoy it. That's what this thread is about.
>>61052786
Differing Taste =/= Ignorance
>>61052723
... if I think what is retarded, that noise artists often have political views and that these views often shape in some way their creative output?
do you think that I'm denying this or something? is that where we're at?
>>61052722
...
>>61052813
op is clearly ignorant to the genre.
>>61052788
Ok? I don't give a shit. Nobody had to "explain" noise to me. If you don't get it then just fuck off.
bottom line, noise has interesting soundscapes to listen to.
>>61052816
no mate, your post just seemed pretty stupefied and i didn't know what you were trying to get across with that, whether it was trying to shit on me or imply that post was cringeworthy or what
i honestly don't know what's going on at this point. do you think extramusicality is stupid or do you just not care about it? obviously it's alright if you don't give a fuck, but you should because it is the point of most noise in the fist place
>>61051240
GET ON THE FUCKING TABLE
Reminder that if you don't like noise music, your opinions literally don't matter.
>>61052902
>i honestly don't know what's going on at this point
yeah, no
that's apparent
http://www.tbook.constantvzw.org/wp-content/death_authorbarthes.pdf
here, why don't you read this, I think it might genuinely open your eyes to some (seemingly obvious) truths
>>61052788
If anyone's curiosity is actually genuine then I can't see it.
God I'm fucking depressed. Noise and it's attitude and approach towards music and art is one of the few things I'm genuinely passionate about anymore, and it seems everyone either A.) doesn't give a single fuck, or B.) doesn't give a single fuck and thinks it is retarded or somehow childish and wants to belittle me. Maybe I should just take up darts or something. Fuck it.
Noise is the most spiritual music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weVl_gsAD0U
Forgive them,father
Noise music and hnw is literally my dream genre and every time we have a noise thread outside of the /noise/ general you fucking fags just shit all over it. Just leave, asshole.
>>61053075
best's best album
>>61052980
Listen to The Apples In Stereo instead
>>61053935
>>61052980
or Of Monteal
I don't care about discussion, post noise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doqG7gv51cU
>>61052331
We walk among you...
>>61052128
i only agree with the latter part of your post. Most of the people I work with on noise and other similar projects are all in their late 30's and 40's. I'm the only 20 something year old who wants to build massive steel structures and cover them with contact mics and hire dancers to move between the structure
