It's tuneless music with only one mood made by talentless assholes. Why do people pretend to like it?
"Music"
>>61043704
Cause it's primal and extreme, and pretty fun to make
>>61043704
>music has to have a tune
stay pleb my friend
>being a close minded pleb
ITS FUCKING ALTERNATIVE.... COUNTERCULTURE....
>>61043767
>>61043733
Saying "pleb" isn't discussion nor is it an argument.
>>61043726
But it sounds horrible and anybody can make it. Hardcore Punk is more primal and extreme because it actually takes extreme physical effort to perform.
it makes them feel superior to others. its the adult male equivalent to those 16 year olds on tumblr who think liking halsey and twenty one pilots makes them special or "indie"
literally reddit the thread
>>61043900
I think you're projecting pretty hard right now
>>61043844
>Hardcore Punk is more primal and extreme because it actually takes extreme physical effort to perform.
by that definition, so is progressive rock, it takes even more effort
I don't really get it at all but a friend of mine put it into good terms for me
It's a really safe way to experience unpleasant emotions that you'd have to actually be in danger to discover otherwise
>>61043916
What the fuck does that even mean. Do you really confide some sort of tribalism in 4chan?
>>61043928
>hurr im going to deflect what you said because its true but i cant accept it
>>61043930
No it technically doesn't. It and Jazz are done musicians that have control and know what they're doing. Nothing primal about control.
"primal" is literally most overused and retarded word that \m/ men \m/ use to describe "aggressive" music
>>61043704
i think it's nice to explore not only music, but sound in every way, it makes you question stuff, what is music? what is art? should everything be nice to listen to?
>Harsh Noise is complete shit
personally i agree, but i'm also glad it exists, there's no harm in it, except in your ears, but you can fix that by not listening to it but i think it's worth A listen
and as they said above, it's fun to make
>>61043936
>It's a really safe way to experience unpleasant emotions that you'd have to actually be in danger to discover otherwise
Holy shit that's lame.
>>61043957
the irony.. the lack of self awareness..
>>61043844
>but it sounds horrible and anybody can make it
That's part of the appeal for me.
I think it works much better as a live experience than as recorded music. It is very exciting to feel such massive sonic vibrations. Once in the studio doing a Harsh noise recording I almost got knocked over by the sound when I stepped out of the control booth
>>61043980
Harsh noise has no control though. I don't see your point
>>61044023
Why not Punk or Folk? It sounds good and anybody can make it.
>>61043844
>But it sounds horrible and anybody can make it.
Alright buddy, come back to us with this thread when you've made a noise album that the noise community praises if it's so easy that anyone can do it.
>>61044035
IT. SOUNDS. LIKE. POOP.
>>61043767
you're not closed-minded if you dislike harsh noise.
>>61044035
>has literally never gated a contact mic before
>telling ME harsh noise has no control
Back to reddit, you fucking shithead.
>>61044059
I could do it in a fucking heart beat. Just give me enough pedals so the noise community will validate my "work".
You either get it or you don't, making people justify why they like something is lame and obnoxious
>>61044078
Come back when you're older and make sense with your arguments then. Good chaos isn't supposed to be "controlled" because otherwise it'd be easy to digest.
the reason why you think noise is "complete shit" is because the only noise you listened to is pulse demon or some dumb shit. here, have some proper european noise:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdAhNRp6dO0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdfI786UM_I
>>61044119
Chaos isn't good. It's bad. It's to be avoided. People that noise appeals to is white people that have never seen true chaos.
>>61044100
>I have no experience making electronic music
>I have never produced anything before
Say it, don't scream it.
Also
>>>/reddit/
>>61044152
>>61044152
Why is Chaos bad? Are you afraid of death?
>>61044152
heres a black noise musician:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66Ant4V25O8
>>61044152
lmfao go jerk off to some vanilla porn and listen to Foo Fighters or something you dumb shit
>>61044132
Get the fuck out of here you Nazi scum. If we were face to face I beat the living shit out of you, take all your money and invest it.
>>61044202
Ok, dad
>>61044202
You're not going to beat up anyone, nor are you going to invest their money faggot
>>61044188
>black noise musician
Knew right away it was gonna be Dreamcrusher. Fucking love his music, gonna order that Hackers All of Them Hackers cassete+t-shirt bundle soon.
>>61044202
>and invest it.
Fuck you, capitolist swine!
>>61044202
i hope you're not upset.
its just a chart t-to be honest f-family
>>61044191
>implying I would support such a harmful vile industry
Stay pleb
>>61044202
are we being raided by baby boomers
what's going on
>>61044116
>making people justify why they like something is lame and obnoxious
I don't even agree with OP but this is a dumb statement, especially on a board that's supposed to be filled with enthusiasts. Just listening to something and saying "this sounds good" shows a serious lack of critical thought.
Post good noise albums, £ammy.
>>61044221
Of course not, this is the internet
>>61044241
top kek
It's funny, he doesn't understand that the exploitation inherent in investment is more harmful than those hate symbols of yesteryear
>>61044270
>>61044263
>shows a serious lack of critical thought.
He likes Harsh Noise though so it's okay
>>61044094
>gated a contact mic before
I haven't posted ITT yet but I just want to ask, what is this?
>>61044263
You don't need rational arguments for why you enjoy something, if you think you do you're most likely an annoyed type of person who everyone secretly hates
>>61044280
It was just a joke because investing money is a stereotypically Jewish thing to do
>>61044092
no but you are if you say it only has one mood. that the people who make it are talentless. and its listeners are pretending.
nothing wrong with not liking or listening to it but saying those things is close minded.
>>61044263
Go get laid or have a smoke or something, Jesus fucking Christ.
>>61044280
This
>>61044291
Excellent chart.
>>61044304
Wall noise can require more concentration and focus than literally any other conventional instrument.
>>61044328
THERE YOU GO, SPREADING YOUR ANTISEMETIC FILTH ALL OVER THE INTERNET YOU ASSHOLE!
>>61044152
im black tho
ITT: AUUUUGGGGGHHHHHHHG
I DON'T LIKE THING
>>61044330
Noise is cool. I can dig Hot Nerds, Sonic Youth and Melt Banana any day of the week. Harsh Noise is like an audible 90s comic though.
>>61044132
I'm not trying to insult, but I genuinely can't understand why anyone would want to listen to this.
>>61044366
Oh then you're a black person that's never experienced chaos
>>61044358
Literally all kikes deserve to be taken into the street and shot.
Because it's adjective, adjective, adjective adjective music. Also, it's good to take a break from formalism and get your brain scrambled every once in a while; unless you, you know, are a recessive-thinking, complacent, gated pedestrian.
>>61044371
>I can dig Hot Nerds, Sonic Youth and Melt Banana any day of the week.
funny because thats all pop rock. not noise
I fucking love Harsh Noise.
I basically view it as a pallette cleanser. Whenever I'm beginning to tire of a certain style of music or music in general, I jam out to a good harsh noise album and in addition to being a very fun experience, it makes me appreciate structure in other pieces of music all the more.
>>61044390
>>61044152
I'm le edgy third worlder who uses political upheaval in my country as a moral pedestal XD
>>61044401
your mom doesn't mind my circumcised member bb
>>61044371
See >>61044408
>>61044339
>wall noise
>an instrument
you've just confused me even more
>>61044408
stop playing that stupid ass card
those groups are noise rock, usually with more rock than noise, but still elements of noise
>>61044152
lmao
>>61044390
>>61044152
>I'm a shitskin
>I live in total non-stop chimpening because of my racial inferiority
Say it, don't scream it.
This whole thread is really funny.
>>61044448
Well I assumed you had already googled what a contact mic is.
>>61043957
>hurr im going to deflect what you said because its true but i cant accept it
>>61044512
oh no see, I know what a contact mic is
but I have not ever used one. So when you use the phrase "gated a contact mic" I don't know what that means you're doing.
>>61043936
I would love to beat the shit out of you, so you can experience real danger also because you say gay shit like that
>>61044425
>>61044488
I'm actually a just white American that knows the truth
>inb4 cluck
>>61044612
so, you're basically speaking out of total conjecture and wishful thinking
>>61044408
Holy shit, a new low
>>61043704
Im glad someone around here has the nads to say it. I think everyone who claims to like noise is just being pretentious and trying to "out hipster" the next music patrician.
>>61044546
Any means by which you apply variable pressure to a contact mic. Some people tape it to a piece of sheet metal, some people throw it in a bag of rocks, some people step on it and so on. Different results every time and highly sensitive, so it's hard to replicate anything you're able to produce.
>>61044633
It sure is.
>>61044626
Elaborate please. All I'm saying is that miserable people embrace coping music or uplifting music and well-off like noise or Wagner because they're hallow inside and need something to validate themselves with.
>>61044660
It's easier to listen to noise for validation than to actually know a vast assortment of real music.
>>61044612
See >>61044626
>>61044660
>has a picture of Tyler, the Creator saved on his computer
>telling ME what music not to like
>>61044633
>>61044676
I swear to God, this board has the most juvenile, unrefined taste in music of any forum I've ever seen. Wah wah, someone shat on your favorite entry level le noisy indeh band. Stop bitching, you Urban Outfitters tier cunts.
>>61044719
What the hell does this even mean?
>>61044132
#2 was an okay listen, I don't mind abrasive acoustics as long as it doesn't drone on the same patterns for too long.
All these idiots in this thread ignoring actual reasons for listening to harsh noise.
Everyone see:
>>61044407
>>61044415
Oh wait you're all just baiting and shitposting anyways. Move along then.
>>61044132
cringe
>>61044685
not that guy but I always thought it was meant to be a symbol of extreme despair, where noone who didn't have some severe mental baggage would really be drawn to it. I'm sure many people into it are pretentious rich jerks, but I thought it's increased popularity was a millennial thing to do with the kids finding a new way to cope with the existential dread of having no future.
>>61044753
You'll be taken seriously only if you get your head out of your ass.
>>61044330
ok, and I simply only meant what I said
>>61044791
>cringe
whats wrong cunt? too abrasive for you? go listen to radiohead. lol
>>61044753
I like this sutff. I don't listen to it all the time nor do i go after every bit that has been released but i do like it.
Too bad that it is a problem for you.
>>61044807
Taken seriously by whom? Close-minded dipshits? I don't care, fuckass. If you don't like noise, that's your problem.
>>61044855
>being this triggered
Hello, Tumblr!
>>61044855
damn....ur badass. when i grow up i wanna be like u :)
>>61044870
wow amazing I literally don't care at all.
>>61044894
cringe
>>61044882
I can almost guarantee i've been listening to harsh noise longer than you've been alive. I just don't automatically dismiss noise bands as mere "pop rock"
it's relaxing
>>61044930
good then u wont be such a cunt lol
>>61044753
I know a guy like you. Nobody likes him.
>>61044953
>dismiss
Nobody has been dismissed. Hot Nerds, Sonic Youth, and Melt Banana are objectively all pop rock bands. That's not a mark against them, that's just what they are.
>>61044803
Look, I have severe clinical depression and it stills sounds like shit to me.
>>61045001
Another new low
>>61044976
I can almost guarantee I'm a more interesting person than anyone you could possibly know if you're seriously this put off by noise music.
>>61045001
Fair enough. And to be honest, i've never been much into Sonic Youth/
>>61044976
Since when is that a big problem?
>>61045013
yeah, well I didn't say that it's well liked by everyone who's depressed, but that a lot of people who like it are probably suffering from some degree of mental illness
people who like noise also tend to like:
throbbing gristle
psychic tv
coil
current 93
non
residents
captain beefheart
swans
dna
people who dont like noise like:
radiohead
anco
slint
mbv
american football
have a nice life
kanye west
k-pop
obviously someone who doesn't like noise is not intellectually advanced enough to like noise
>>61044944
>>>/tumblr/
>>61045031
Oh no! I hurt the poor /mu/tants feelings.:(
Give me an email address, /mu/tant. I'll hook you up with some H&M promo codes and make it all better.
>>61045045
They're just ok for me. Very samey but not necessarily bad.
>>61045037
Shit, you're probably him.
>>61045013
>i have severe clinical depression
stfu you attention whore faggot, if that was true you wouldn't even be on here right now. stupid cunt, i hope you get raped for saying that.
>>61044976
Literally reddit: the reply.
>>61045117
back to tumblr!
>>61045074
ew i listen to harsh noise but also like a day to remember and bring me the horizon. those bands in your list are crap except for american football.
>>61045081
>>61045131
your moms loose asshole
>>61045095
lol nice meme
Also
>>>/redsit/
>>61045074
why is kpop on that list? it has nothing to do with any of those
>>61045137
>but also like a day to remember and bring me the horizon.
>>61045074
>obviously someone who doesn't like noise is not intellectually advanced enough to like noise
You need true validation
>>61045245
you need cancer
or a helium tank
faggot
>>61045274
What do you get out of bullying people on the internet? Is your life that sad? Go back to /b/ were you belong, kid.
>he fell for the noise meme
>>61045321
cringe
>>61045337
weeb
>>61045337
>he has anime reaction images saved on his computer
We all know what's on your unmounted partition.
>>61044188
alright, this is one of the first "noise" artists that i've heard. the first time i guess I'd say was this art festival in baltimore, and there was this "collective" inside on a stage and they played really chaotic sounds in a completely dark room with 3 strobe lights accompanying it. most of the people (who were still sitting there from the past performance - 3 women singing renaissance music) got up and left within a minute.
i sat there for about 5 minutes before i concluded that it, and this entire genre, is probably just an attempt by art students (I can't imagine music students creating this stuff) trying to be original and different and expressive.
the modern art scene, it seems to me, is going in a direction of meaningless chaos that people will definitely interpret as "primal" and expressive, but only because that's literally all that it can be interpreted as...
i don't want to say that i dislike it, like i dislike symphonic power metal or modern pop or country music, but i really do feel like even those genres take more effort.
>>61045321
>>>/reddit/
>>61045405
not him, but this isn't even a good video of their music, go listen to Suicide Deluxe
If we've learned nothing else from this thread, it's that noise fans are fucking assholes.
>>61045434
>>61045374
Reddit > Something Awful > Newgrounds > Twitter > Tumblr > 4chan > ...... /mu/
/mu/ FINALLY got people to start listening to actual HARSH NOISE and we have people actively trying to stop them.
Are you serious niigger
We got people to listen to nothing but "musicians" MAKING FUCKING NOISE which is IMPOSSIBLE TO LIKE and then POSTING ABOUT IT ON MUSIC WEBSITES.
It's the greatest troll ever pulled. People are swarming to defend a genre that pushes the bounds of music because they cling to the next wave of art.
The jerk is too much. I love it.
>>61044973
you are a shit
>>61045074
if this isn't bait, which i'm pretty sure it is, the opposite would also have to be true, no?
so, you're saying that because I like the residents and captain beefheart and swans, i should like noise? No.. because those 3 artists have musical talent and imagination.
noise is for people who cannot play the piano like an evolved human being, so they bought a synthesizer and are disguising their lack of talent with their interpretations of neanderthal music.
>>61045468
Better get going then. Peace out, pussy bitch.
why do people assume that music that doesn't follow verse-chorus-verse structures or use guitar, drums, bass, synths, vocals is automatically troll music if they don't like how it sounds? seriously, for all the accusations of elitism and pretentiousness thrown at people who listen to music forms like EAI, noise, onkyo, etc., it seems to me that people who dismiss entire genres after listening to a single album from said genres are the actual pretentious people. i've also never ever ever ever heard an actual noise fan (like, invested in the scene, listening to a variety of noise music) describe their attraction to the music as primarily an intellectual exercise. same goes for onkyo and EAI. it's just projection projection projection from Reddit posters and teenagers who caught sight of the Pulse Demon or Good Morning Good Night cover and decided to queue it one random day between TPAB and OK Computer and then they're shocked that they don't get anything out of it and convince themselves that people who like it must be lying as opposed to the more difficult truth: their sonic palette isn't very wide yet because they're just starting to get into music or have been into it for awhile but are stuck in a very specific niche and it's easier to just tell everyone outside their niche that they're only there to posture.
news for all these people: people like classical, jazz, eai, onkyo, musique concrete, noise, field recordings, etc. not for ~le obscurity and intellectualism~ but because they like the sounds
>>61045405
>i sat there for about 5 minutes before i concluded that it, and this entire genre, is probably just an attempt by art students (I can't imagine music students creating this stuff) trying to be original and different and expressive.
you sound like a pseudo intellectual faggot
go drink a gallon of bleach
>>61045526
>putting noise in the same sentence as classical and jazz.
yikes man
>Mom people are listening to music I don't like!!
Noise is for people who are too "mature" to listen to metal
>>61045556
You dropped your hat, anon
>>61045574
lmfao found the manchild
>>61045588
it's true tho
>be me, 12 years old
>see trout mask replica in classic rock magazine
>listen to it
>its amazing
>plebs on /mu/ call it pretentious
>be me, 15
>hear noise
>its amazing
plebs on /mu/ say its pretentious
>>61045628
>>>/Warped tour/
>>>/Chuck E. Cheese/
>>>/McDonald's Play Place/
>>61045588
YOU MAD BRO?
>>61045405
>i concluded that it, and this entire genre, is probably just an attempt by art students trying to be original and different and expressive.
Not at all, it's just fun.
ITT: triggered pseudointellectual snowflakes
>>61044291
Obituary is available for pre-order, i'm hyped
>>61045074
>anco
Hollinndagain? STGSTV? HTCI? Danse?
noise bands are a total bummer.
>>61045765
ITT: people who act like they're above everyone else by calling them pseudointellectual snowflakes
>>61045074
I like noise, TG, Psychic TV, Coil, C93, Residents, Beefheart, Swans, DNA, Radiohead, Slint, MBV, American Football, and Kanye... viper urself kid
I don't like that much HNW, however:
For me, noise is about "grabbing" different textures, notes, etc. out of the noise, noticing how songs change slowly over time, and getting used to feeling comfortable with noises that are otherwise uncomfortable.
The idea that it's tuneless is kind of bullshit. Sure, some is, but I would say some noise has a key -- even if the key isn't as clear as a lot of classical music, or rock, or whatever.
I don't see how the fact that "anyone can make it" means its bad. Who cares how much talent someone does or doesn't have, if you enjoy the music?
I think country, as a genre, pretty much blows, but I don't think people are "pretending" to like it.
It'd be much easier to like folk, punk, alt., etc. I could chat with people about more bands, and probably go to more shows I enjoy, so the idea that /most/ people who like noise are pretending is fucking weird.
I will say most noise is fucking terrible, but honestly, most music of any genre is fucking terrible.
The aesthetics associated with noise can be juvenile at times, but oh well. Some of its cool.
not necessarily harsh, but what did you guys think of this? i really enjoyed it. don't care that xiu xiu didn't contribute much cuz i normally can't stand him anyways
![R-1459785-1314798127.jpeg[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/eduRg06.jpg "R-1459785-1314798127.jpeg[1].jpg")
While we're here, any recs for dark ambient?
I'm really digging some of the tracks from Prurient's Cocaine Death, sans the vocals.
>>61045526
>>61045575
>>61045556
If you actually think composing noise music takes the same knowledge of music theory as classical you should stop listening to music.
>>61046094
>>61045526
I think you're right. I think there are a lot of youngsters in this thread who have been seriously listening to music for only a few years. I'm listening to Kibako - Merzbow for the first time rn and it's sweet. I've never been into noise before but I think it's sad so many people are attacking it.
>>61046155
I have a lot of friends who love music, but they pretty much are stuck into a handful of genres -- they just don't have the audacity to claim that people that enjoy X thing are actually just pretending.
What a fucking effort that would be. Most people that claim to like something, (whether its music or anything else), genuinely do like it. Why are people so conspiratorial?
>>61046094
You realize that noise music was pioneered by contemporaries like Marinetti, Pratella, and Cassavola, right? Russolo? Grandi? Nothing?
>>61046094
Then go make a critically acclaimed noise album you faggot
>>61046242
>Why are people so conspiratorial?
makes life interesting to them, I guess.
>>61046242
Idk man :/ it's like the bdsm of music but noise has far less exposure.
>>61045526
saved
>>61045574
I don't really agree with this, but I've felt for a while that I probably enjoy noise for the same reasons many people enjoy metal. Evokes similar emotions etc. It's just like a different strokes thing I guess.
>>61044270
>>61044339
>>61044401
>>61044488
>>61044665
>>61044753
>>61044882
>>61045001
>>61045037
>>61045087
>>61045160
>>61045402
>>61045434
>>61045512
>>61045588
>>61045696
>claims he's mature and doesn't give a fuck what others think
>acts defensive like a normie /mu/drone
:^)
Teens these days have access to the internet and move onto noise and other edgy forms of music almost as soon as they get into music.
These are the same people that would have been listening to Disturbed, ICP, Cradle Of Filth etc.. if they had been around in the 90s/early 2000s. It really is just rooted in immature angst.
>>61045551
What could possibly be more pseuo-intellectual than
>muh formless arrhythmic distorted white noise that discards all ideas of desirable music
I mean it's cool if sometimes you like to tune the radio to a dead station and take a break from normal listening, but following artists and buying albums of this shit is fucking retarded. It's like blending random inedible ingredients and calling it progressive cuisine that transcends established expectations of culinary structure and taste.
>>61046637
Except Noise doesn't pretend to be 'progressive' or 'transcendent'. The opposite even. That's the whole point.
>>61043704
>with only one mood
If you're pretending that Myth of Blood, Frozen Niagara Falls, Abyss of Longing Throats, and Tribulation all have the same atmosphere or mood because they're all noise albums, then you're just not listening.
I do agree, though, that 'pure' noise (i.e. one wall of static) is boring. Noise is a tool, not a genre. Some just utilise it more than others.
>>61046605
I literally never claimed to not care what people think.
>>61046637
>what is abstraction
Holy shit, THESE are the people we share this board with?
>>61046656
This.
>>61046637
>>61046656
Exactly. Its like people looking at a Rothko and being like, "oh man, what does it all mean".
It probably doesn't mean shit. Just enjoy the art.
>>61046696
>It probably doesn't mean shit. Just enjoy the art.
This is everything that's wrong with modern art. I'm an experimental musician myself, but this reductionist garbage is what leads to the mountains of effortless shit that is noise music.
It's not the fucking 1920s anymore DADA principles are extremely outdated and corny.
>>61046696
Rothko utilized layers upon layers of colors to create vibrant textures. Saying "just enjoy le art" alone doesn't cut it. You're literally acting like a
>SHUT UP AND ENJOY THE MUSIC
youtube tween.
Stop being intellectually lazy and elaborate on what you like about the music you listen to.
>>61046747
I did. See:
>>61045914
>>61046662
>If you're pretending that LG, Whirlpool, Bosch, and Siemens washing machines all have the same hums and clunks, then you're just not listening
Yeah because we aren't fucking spergs who willingly listen to and categorize random stimuli devoid of meaning. There are a lot of things in life that you can't write off after just a few minutes, but noise music is conceptually retarded and you don't have to repeat-listen multiple albums and artists to figure that out.
When you work in the food industry and are exposed to TWO different versions of "Your Kiss is on My List", noise music can be youreached savior at the end of the day.
>>61046761
Alright, good enough.
I just entered the thread so pardon me.
>>61046696
LITERALLY EVERYTHING IS ART JUST LOOK AT MY SHIT IN THE TOILET IT DOESNT HAVE TO MEAN ANYTHING STOP APPLYING YOUR FASCISTS STANDARDS TO MY LE ART
>>61046798
I haven't been following the thread or argument, but your shit can be an art. Doesn't mean it's a good art.
>>61044753
it's a reaction image you massive faggot.
And im not telling anyone what music to like, Im saying that if you claim to like noise, you're probably just trying to be a pretentious fuck. Like yourself.
>>61046696
Most noise music, even a lot I enjoy, I would not consider art. The artlessness of noise is a lot of its appeal to me really. It's sound without pretention, can be taken at face value, for what it is and for its own sake (In the same vein as field recordings). That's a welcome change sometimes.
i've only every sat down and listen to noise once and all it did was hurt my ears. no matter how low i turned the volume, it still hurt my ears.
>>61046656
That's actually even edgier.
>No, we're purposely ignoring the stuff that sounds good because we're too self-absorbed to build on other people's contributions and thus admit that people other than us can have good ideas
>>61046851
>being this triggered
>posts a two second reaction gif
>>>/tumblr/
>>61046883
Um what? Again noise doesn't pretend it's a 'progression' from or superior to other music.
And what do you mean by 'purposefully ignoring'? Structure and convention aren't the default states of sound. Noise is what you get when you don't apply purpose.
>>61046883
Have you literally never taken an art history class? It's called being subversive and approaching an abstraction point, you fuckass. I'm ready for this 'edgy' reddit tier meme to fucking die already.
>>61046069
Ain Soph
>>61046843
That was my point, "art" literally carries no meaning anymore. It can be arbitrarily applied to anything you can imagine, the term has been stretched further than a Catholic boy's asshole.
>>61046873
Then there's no reason to record it. If you're not listening for any attributes in particular or with any purpose, then just sit and listen to room noise.
>>61046973
you have autism
>>61046925
"Subversive" means exactly the fucking same thing as "edgy", you pretentious retard. Using more syllables to describe the same thing doesn't make it legitimate. It's still just being different for the sake of being different, which most people grow out of when they turn 16 or 17 instead of taking art classes to feel unique.
And yeah, "edgy" is a dumb fucking meme. It works because it's applied to dumb fucking people. Slit your wrists longways next time you sad hipster.
>>61047076
>Slit your wrists longways next time you sad hipster.
>And yeah, "edgy" is a dumb fucking meme
>It works
>"Subversive" means the exact same thing as "edgy"
>>61047018
If I had autism I would immerse myself in a pointless niche hobby that nobody with anything better to do cares about, like memorizing train facts or sorting Yu-Gi-Oh cards or listening to entire albums of clipping and feedback.
>>61047076
>. Slit your wrists longways next time you sad hipster
Today kids, we will be learning how to spot a wild /v/irgin
>>61044188
>make shitty beats
>Throw alot of BBC archives stock sounds on top
>Smash into a limiter
>Throw in a fuzz pedal in the mix
>recite slam poetry on top
Everybody can fucking do this shit.
pure noise is absolute uninteresting shit, but the genres it influenced are god tier. especially noise rock
>noise suck because everybody can do it
EVERYBODY CAN DO ANY MUSIC I repeat
EVERYBODY CAN DO ANY MUSIC.
There are less than 20 musical subgenres in the world that can't be mastered in a year. I's an artform made to be as easy as possible Accept it and move along.
>>61043844
Yeah, and yet you can say the same for hardcore punk since it only takes the ability to keep up with the speed to make it.
>>61047318
>>noise suck because everybody can do it
>EVERYBODY CAN DO ANY MUSIC I repeat
>EVERYBODY CAN DO ANY MUSIC.
>There are less than 20 musical subgenres in the world that can't be mastered in a year. I's an artform made to be as easy as possible Accept it and move along.
I have always considered music to be the most entry-level of the arts. It can be appreciated by a 6 year old, provided he or she is not deaf. The experiences of Proper Literature do not come so easily. One does not simply understand a man as cryptic as Ahab or Raskolnikov. Yet, anyone can play a little Mozart or Bach in the background as they eat their Spaghettios. Music hardly requires attention. It demands virtually nothing of one's cognitive abilities. Such cannot be said for the rewards offered by Finnegan's Wake or Borges' Ficciones.
This entire thread is terrible good lord
>>61047396
Novels are too constrained by rules and form. I prefer reading gibberish books, I find that random assortments of letters really cleanse the palate. There are so many different textures to pick apart, some authors use mostly vowels to create an atmosphere while others work exclusively in consonants. It's so primal.
Anyway, who cares how much talent an author has? Just look at the letters on the page and enjoy the literature.
>I prefer reading gibberish
well you are on 4 chan when you could be reading a great novel, so I guess there is a parallel afterall
>>61047396
thats kinda funny and ironic and moronic of you.
in the context of the op
>>61047559
I hope you're not mocking my unique, subversive preferences. Here, have an excerpt of some proper european gibberish:
adflkjaspotviweptalcsdjvlbhjpfgjmdlkfgcjnadkjfhjhfhfffgfgfgfgfgffgfgfgfgfgfgfksdhjnrdlghsldfkjflmjkjfgkjkjgf;calcwdkjmgsldkfgnvhfsdlmkgjsndldmfansdkfjchgdbcfkdjghlskdfjvertewprtoiuernptvoiunpfoviugnsdflgvkjsdnfvzxasdfasdfovjhdnfcoiudfhosiducfhnoaisduchfnoqqwerpoiuaskdfchlkerjhbvgdkfjghslkdfjgchoeifmdofiguchsoirugchsdofgiuchdofgicuhsdfogiuchsodfigchsfdg
>>61047076
Edgy: Nervous, anxious, or scared.
Subversive: undermining a the roots of a set principle, idea, or government.
>Toatullee tha sayme!
>>61047607
no, i was just trying to make the point that as far as cohesion goes anonymous messageboards are pretty far from it. what are you learning from this process? it's a lot like noise actually, conversations devoid of meaning or purpose, almost no real structure or direcition, no way to tell if you're being trolled or taken seriously, or who you're talking to. Everybody here is operating on a combination of ID and pretention. Any self respecting person with a well adjusted ego or meaningful things to do would not be here
>>61043704
Why are you so mad about not liking a style of music? Can't you just listen to something you like instead?
>>61047318
sure but not everybody can make good music
>>61047654
Not that tryhard, but words can have multiple definitions, and "edgy" has been used to mean "provocative" or "cutting edge" for a very long time now. It's not just some word 4chan made up
>>61048047
meanwhile "tryhard" comes straight out of 9th grade gym class
>>61048083
Jesus, it's 1 in the morning and I'm arguing semantics on 4chan. It just seemed like the appropriate term for someone typing up rants addressing "sad hipsters who take art classes to feel unique."
>>61046873
you've got a fucked up definition of art
>>61043704
>Why do people pretend to like it?
because they're talentless assholes who like only one mood and no tunes.
duhh
>>61044152
Chaos can be fun when utilized by trained composers. the Aleatoricism of Penderecki and Lutoslawski for example
Stockhausen was doing harsh noise in the 60s. Its old as fuck. I doubt any noise act today comes close to what he did back then.
>>61048129
the definition of art was fucked as soon as duchamp signed that urinal.
Post modernism is shit. its technically art, but its still pretty shit.
How many of you actually listen to art music (classical)?
Harsh noise is alright but I can't listen to it with headphones on my ears are really sensitive :/
I would literally break the noise oscillator out of my ms-20 just to get a cleaner sound. The filter doesn't go high enough to make really nice clean sounding hi hats or anything so it's pointless and just bleeds into the output.
It's still good for making flute patches I guess but god damn why does it have to bleed, it's not worth it
>there are people who use this and sample and hold and shit to just make obnoxious noises which are supposedly music in themselves and not just use them to add subtle nuances to melody
why is the harsh noise scene full of white supremacists
>>61048259
Is it really? Name a few bands so I can stop listening to them.
>>61048259
I think if you did a study on correlation between IQ and harsh noise, you'd see the same kind of relationship that is between IQ and racism
>>61048259
I'm a white supremacist and I think it's a joke
>>61048213
If you dismiss entire genres then you're a pleb.
>>61043995
Art that makes us question what is art is the cheapest, most bullshit 'art' to make. Literally anyone can gain this through doing anything and saying 'yeah but it could be art lol'
Making us question the definition of a word too ambiguous to live shouldn't be a justification for its existence
