https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TO3YRZWLvQo
You're in luck.
there are people on /mu/ RIGHT NOW who will post in this thread and go on to say that /classical/ is better than the rest of /mu/
Loge, Hör'! Lausche Hierher!
>mfw a pleb implied Beethoven's Late Period contained his greatest works near me
>>61030003
Dat misplaced modifier tho
boy this general died since the last time I was here.
>>61030805
yeah and now you can return back to reddit piece of shit
>>61030846
wow you hurt my feelings mate.
>>61030003
>mfw a pleb underrated his early period sonatas
Anyone know where i can find this?
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/steven_osborne/vingt_regards_sur_lenfant_jesus/
>mfw a pleb underrated alkan near me
>>61031074
>Formalism: 9.999999999999999
bow to your master
>>61031307
Italy is the most overrated nation musically (and culturally) talking
a real joke
>>61031362
nope
>>61031439
yes, stay mad medSHITeranean hairy monkey
post opposite of historically informed performance
(piano pieces being played on harpsichords/ modern pieces played on baroque instruments)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED2lgb6KjyY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS0_TleRuvA
>>61029352
>>61031252
>formalism
when will this meme die
>>61031930
>a well-established, commonplace and very strictly-defined phenomenon that possessed German music for centuries
It's...it's just a m-m-meme guys really.
>>61031930
>>61032092
>I r-really enjoy Beethoven's music with my own ears I-I-I really do! It's not a combination of hearing it ad nauseam, buyer's remorse and taking a backseat to my own experience with music and letting irrelevant academic wankers tell me what I should and shouldn't like.
>>61031362
Further proof that Italian classical music is underrated.
>>61031307
Tied with Mozart for best at opera.
I've been working on some stuff. What's the verdict?
https://clyp.it/cyl4zedd
>>61033068
dank
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>>61033083
nice, i don;t think most people will get this one though
it'll just be our secret meme
>>61033191
>what does it taste like?
Spermicide.
>>61029352
>counterpoint
>gimmick
This is the worst /classical/ meme
>>61034368
Melody, harmony, motifs, counterpoint, they're just inane compositional mechanisms, inane nuts and bolts by themselves. But counterpoint deserves a special title as THE most inane and obfuscating one by far.
>HOW CAN I HAVE THE FUCKING MOST INDIVIDUAL PITCHES SENSELESSLY COLLIDING WITH EACH OTHER IN A MEANDERING BLUR OF ANTIMUSIC????????
>for what purp-
>SHUT UP PEASANT GERMANY SMART
It's literally tailor-made for autistic nerds, like Gould, and other tragic individuals who can only perceive music quantitatively and are hopelessly fixated on tonal harmony alone.
What music do you actually like mr anti-formalism?
I just did an inventory of my Hayn symphonies cd collection. Turns out I still miss 3 symphonies !
79, 80 & 81
How does one go about purchasing the right recordings for these (supposedly) lesser works ?
why do u guys listn to this classic stuff, no one wants to hear it and no one listens to it
>>61035600
xenakis
i have no clue about music, i have no idea what these memes mean, but i enjoy them, keep it up
>>61031307
Literally a meme
![Giovanni_Pierluigi_da_Palestrina[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/uTPhWvW.png "Giovanni_Pierluigi_da_Palestrina[1].png")
Bach is just a meme compared to pic related
and there is nothing you can do about it
I've been listening to a wide variety of music for years, from the most mainstream pop to EAI and the likes, but I've always ignored classical music. What are the three most known, best, entry levels, Kind of Blue, Loveless, records?
>>61031583
i'm not even italian, i just like Rossini
it's funny how this in-house recording presumably meant for broadcast over the radio sounds a million times better than the Phase4Stereo version that Decca later shat out
>>61036794
Listen to Mozart.
>>61036794
>Blue, Loveless, records
>>61036847
>Andre Rieu
>I’d make massive changes, massive. First of all, I’d tear down that terrible old building, awful, and put up something classy, something that says we mean business. I mean, it’s called Covent Garden but there isn’t even a garden. So, I’d build one. A huge one. Yeah, on the roof. And under that, a luxury hotel – all in the best taste like my other buildings. Pink marble, great brass fittings that don’t come from China, I guarantee. Under that some luxury apartments and then a beautiful new, state-of-the-art theater with at-seat pizza delivery, my own vintage Trumpet wines on tap, a Trumpet Steakhouse... That kind of thing. Very classy. Very expensive, of course, of course, but I know people. Believe me. I know these guys. It’s what they want. I promise.
Future president of America right here.
>>61036965
yeah but i dont understand how the work of classical music works
do i search for composer, or interpreter? whos your favorite mozart player?
>>61036997
what about it
>>61037344
how bad is rieu? my grandfather likes him a lot. i imagine he's very dismissed for being pop.
was it autism?
please
music name that play 0:36 and the other that play on 1:24?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTX91UTZ9Tc
any 'christmas symphonies' that are decent? my grandfather would be really into it.
>>61037522
036 mio babbino caro from gianni schicchi (puccini)
1:24 some french composer can't think of it right now
>>61037566
thanks
>>61037541
this is easy listening and not bad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ktt7s7yDGxc
>>61037381
Interpreter.
Just pic some recordings from the mega links, most of them are pretty good.
https://mega.co.nz/#F!mMYGhBgY!Ee_a6DJvLJRGej-9GBqi0A
https://mega.co.nz/#F!lIh3GRpY!piUs-QdhZACFt2hGtX39Rw
https://mega.co.nz/#F!Y8pXlJ7L!RzSeyGemu6QdvYzlfKs67w
https://mega.co.nz/#F!kMpkFSzL!diCUavpSn9B-pr-MfKnKdA
https://mega.nz/#F!ekBFiCLD!spgz8Ij5G0SRH2JjXpnjLg
https://mega.co.nz/#F!4EVlnJrB!PRjPFC0vB2UT1vrBHAlHlw
https://mega.co.nz/#F!ygImCRjS!1C9L77tCcZGQRF6UVXa-dA
https://mega.co.nz/#F!il5yBShJ!WPT0v8GwCAFdOaTYOLDA1g
https://mega.co.nz/#F!DdJWUBBK!BeGdGaiAqdLy9SBZjCHjCw
http://crudblud.sjm.so/
>>61037522
1:24
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u22GXrkBEYw
why do people pretend to like Ligeti ?
>>61037708
does it make you feel insecure ?
>>61037999
just curious
Imo Ligeti si a scam and I don't hide that
>>61038111
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej5r6H__ODM
>>61037669
thanks man
>>61038144
>judging a composer over a rhapsody of popular dances or what is that
oh ok if we have to cherrypick..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCp7bL-AWvw
>>61037663
Thanks!!!
>>61037541
In Terra Pax by Finzi.
How do I get into Opera, /classical/? I've been listening to a lot of Gilbert and Sullivan recently, which I've gathered doesn't quite count as OPERA opera, and I'd like to move more in the operatic direction.
Anyway, any good starting points, recordings (audio or video)?
>>61039185
Listen to some opera buffa, either by Mozart or Rossini. It's like G&S but better.
If you want some more serious stuff, try Verdi, Janacek or Britten.
And listen to Handel and Monteverdi for your baroque opera needs
>>61039185
>>61037522
>>61037669
Bizet - Carmen - Votre toast, je peux vous le rendre
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoV2YOjFowY
favourite Beethoven piano concerto?
So when you hear of composers and scholars writing about their first listening to a performance and reviewing it, were they just so intelligent that they could note a lot of the intricacies of the composition and theory behind it just from listening to performances of it several times and then write about it? Or were they basically just going off of how it sounded initially and then analyzed it later once they had heard it a lot or got the score (I don't know if people could just 'get the score' of pieces though).
>>61029042
>>61029331
>>61029352
>>61036520
Holy fuck whoever made these should be chemically castrated.
>>61031307
Eh. He's aight. I feel like you can get his best work in a simple arrangement of his collective opera overatures / suites.
>>61032177
What the fuck does this even mean. Is this a joke?
Do you just not listen to the 3rd/5th/6th/7th/ or 9th symphonies? The late quartets? Missa Solemnis? The operas? The promethian creatures? Fucking holy shit how autistic can you get?
>>61034557
I don't even know how to respond to this... Do you just have no scruples whatsoever about being UNIVERSALLY considered wrong?
>inb4 argument by popularity
Yes, it is. But there has to be a point when literally 90% of all performers, conductors, composers, and writers agreeing that Bach, Beethoven and Mozart are the greatest composers convinces you right? You can't possibly be so fucking egotistical that you'd assert that everyone is wrong but you right?
Don't like it? Sure. Don't get it? That's fine.
How could you possibly call OTHER people autistic nerds while trying to espouse atonal harmony as the epitome of music?
>>61040204
it's anti-formalist guy, /classical/'s hottest new meme.
>>61037708
>>61038439
He's actually made interest atonal works before.Generally he's just an avant garde experimenter and not necessarily meant to be "liked" imo, but he's certainly capable.
The violin and piano concertos are interest (insofar as atonal stuff is) and the horn/violin/piano trio is as well.
>>61039960
Easily the 5th. The 3rd is very good too though.
>>61040278
>not the 4th
>>61036794
Uh Bach Mozart Beethoven are the big three of composers, I'm hoping you know that.
You know classical isnt divided into albums too, right? There aren't classical 'albums,' there are 'compositions.
>>61037708
Maybe they're not pretending.
Ligeti is the fucking bomb.
>>61029360
And they would be right
>>61036794
see -- >>61040411
That said, there are certainly recommended performers and recommended recordings, but preference has a lot more range imo.
Notable recordings I know of:
>James Ehnes Homage
One of the greatest living violinists currently playing an entire album of great show-pieces on several different types of violins: really demonstrates the difference of timbre and color. Great quality imo.
>Glenn Gould goldberg variations
Glenn Gould knew his bach like a fucking mad man. In all honesty, I'm not the biggest fan of some of the variations, but his playing is excellent.
>Sophie-Ann Mutter's beethoven
She's one of the best violinist living and seems to specialize in Beethoven, her Kreutzer Sonata is fucking fantastic.
>>61029042
There should be a 9/11 meme with Stockhausen
>>61031874
This is actually so fucking disconcerting. I don't ever want to hear Shostakovich on a fucking harpsichord ever again. Dear god.
>>61035773
Xenakis has a huge emphasis on form though.
He's a fucking architect after all
>>61036520
All composers are non-genetic ideas passed down from person to person.
>>61040602
there is. He calls it the "greatest work of art" of all time.
"Minds achieving something in an act that we couldn't even dream of in music, people rehearsing like mad for 10 years, preparing fanatically for a concert, and then dying, just imagine what happened there. You have people who are that focused on a performance and then 5,000 people are dispatched to the afterlife, in a single moment. I couldn't do that. By comparison, we composers are nothing. Artists, too, sometimes try to go beyond the limits of what is feasible and conceivable, so that we wake up, so that we open ourselves to another world."
-Stockhausen
Asked by a journalist whether he equated art and crime, Stockhausen replied: "It's a crime because those involved didn't consent. They didn't come to the 'concert.' That's obvious. And no one announced that they risked losing their lives. What happened in spiritual terms, the leap out of security, out of what is usually taken for granted, out of life, that sometimes happens to a small extent in art, too, otherwise art is nothing."
>>61041068
Fucking weird m8. I can almost see the logic of it, but he's probably a neurotic weirdo like most composers.
Can someone reccomend me works similar to herbert howells' - hymnus paradisi
specifically the lento part
>>61041171
His ideas transcend human life.
>>61040411
So you don't download classical albums? How is this music listened then? In what format?
>>61040549
Thanks I'm getting some of these. I remember hearing about Glenn Gould.
Do any of you use RYM by the way? How are their charts for this type of music?
>>61041656
RYM is shite for classical.
>>61041068
Ya I know all that, I'm saying it should be worked into a meme image
>>61041656
Don't use it personally.
Just go down the rabbit hole of youtube. If you look up top X / Y / Z you'll find what you want.
Get into accessible symphonies, quartets, concertos and sonatas then find what you like from there.
Its best to figure out your period in particular: post modern, modern, neo-classical, "high" classical, romantic, baroque, renaissance, gregorian chant, sacred music, etc etc.
>>61041686
How so? You mean it's messy, or just bad taste?
>>61041739
Oh, I can't do that because I log everything I listen to with last.fm and of course it would be a mess to scrobble from YouTube. But I'm downloading some albums already so that won't be a problem.
So classical doesn't really have an established door like most other music? There's always a seminal album for every genre. It feels like classical is inaccessible by nature.
>>61042076
From what I've seen, both.
>>61042076
>Over 800+ years of music within the tradition
>thousands upon thousands of distinct recordings since classical music has been recorded ever since the advent of the means of recording music
>THERE'S ALWAYS A SEMINAL ALBUM FOR EVER GENRE
>>61042201
but of course
do you mean to tell me that Solti's Der Ring isn't the end all be all? wow
>>61042076
1. Find neat composer
2. Go to wikipedia for composer
3. Find out major peices, listen on youtube and then download on rutracker.
4. shitpost on /classical/
5. repeat
>>61042201
Why would 800+ years of music matter if the history of recorded music started about 100 years ago? Because if I understand, your point is that there are so many recordings, it's impossible to choose just a couple of them?
>>61042380
I'm just gonna seek RYM bolds.
>>61041656
>How is this music listened then? In what format?
Ideally in a live concert with an excellent orchestra or ensemble.
No recording can compare to being in the same acoustic space as the performers. Recordings can get close, but its never the same.
Plus you can perve on the qt violinists/flautist/harpists and watch everyone play.
>>61042968
>Ideally in a private concert with a few friends, with yourself playing an instrument.
FTFY
>>61043031
but anon, If you're playing you dont get a balanced overall impression of the piece. Plus you can't focus on whats happening as well as if you weren't playing.
Doing your job almost never equates to a relaxing night out enjoying some music.
>>61040204
lol
>>61043937
The point is the concert performance is very much a product of the 19th century, and very little music before then was intended to be experienced in that fashion. Only two of Beethoven's 32 piano sonatas were ever played in public, and this goes for all of the keyboard works by composers before him. Those were music that was meant to be played, or at least heard while glancing over the shoulder of the keyboard player, not listened to in a huge cold concert hall filled with thousand people.
>... because a Bach fugue on the harpsichord would have been played for oneself or for someone else per-haps looking on the music over the performer’s shoulder— at least, no question of making the work effective for a public was ever raised for music of this kind. Th ere would have been no point to set in relief a detail evident to everyone present, above all a detail for which the charm lies in the way it is hidden and enclosed within more immediately audible lines. if one plays the fugue oneself, one can, so to speak, hear the inner voice through the fingers. i raise this interesting controversy once again to illuminate the way our thinking of performance style is def i ned and hedged by our modern experience of public music as the norm. in music of dense contrapuntal texture, it is doubtful that any performance will make every interesting detail perceptible to the ear.
>>61031307
>>61044237
And even with pieces that were intended for public performance, the modern concert hall inevitably introduces some distortion. Take Mozart's late Operas for example, the texture is typically far more complex than any of his contemporaries, and it should therefore never be performed in a hall sitting more than 750, which was the size of the theatre in Prague where Don Giovanni premiered in. Then you have the case with Haydn symphonies, where the finales are played now at a much faster tempo than they should, since applause is withheld until the last movement and conductors feel that they have an obligation to make the ending of a symphony more exciting than it needs to be. The consequence is that the relaxed mood of many eighteenth century finales is rarely given its due.
>>61044237
that was never the point. Why should I care about historical settings? we live in the modern times. we have a modern concert traditions.
Sure playing music with your friends is great, but hearing a top tier ensemble play great music is one of the best experiences you can have. Music is meant to be heard. no argument. The specifics depend on the exact concert, as to intimacy, audience size, temperature of the hall, etc.
>>61044619
>Music is meant to be heard. no argument.
Did you read my post? A large proportion of music, especially keyboard music before Beethoven, was meant to be played, by oneself. You cannot separate the music from the history, because it derives meaning from the context. People like you are why we have those idiotic program notes on Bach's KdF that perpetuates the myth that it is a work largely abstract in thought, and written for no specific instruments. This is nonsense, as it was intended for two hands at a keyboard. For performance today, the question is simply how to make this music interesting and effective for a public, a question that would have made no sense to the composer because there was no social or commercial institution at the time in which it could have been performed publicly. The KdF was intended to teach you how to write different kinds of fugues, something that is properly learned only by playing all the parts oneself. Performance by several instruments may perhaps be a good answer for public performance today, as varying the sonority may stimulate interest, or at least reduce the monotony, but it considerably distorts the original texture of the work. Sure, performing all sixteen fugues in the same key on the same theme executed on the same instrument may strain to keep even the most avid audience attentive, but it was never meant to be presented that way.
Anything good from this guy?
>>61046407
a haircut
>>61046421
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiuC_CaObbI
>>61042549
>Trusting RYM reviews
enjoy your shit taste
best das lied desu
>>61044931
before beethoven music had a function in church. It was meant to be heard. Even keyboard pieces.
Sure a very few keyboard pieces were meant as learning exercises. Likewise with the Bach cello sonatas. they're very much learning pieces to get a student playing music and improving their ability. But I think you're incorrect. Music is always meant to be heard. Having a solo piece you play yourself didm't really happen until score printing became cheap and widespread. Around the romantic period where sheet music and pianos were widespread. Even then, many published pieces were intended to be played in a drawing room to a small audience of friends and family, or to be played with a singer, or as a trio, etc.
Music purely for learning purposes is only a very small percentage. Almost all music is meant to be heard. Not sure where you're going with your rant on the art of fugue.
>>61046863
4.5 / 10?
this is about right. CLT is the only one who likes brendel. he's pretty dry and boring.
>>61047997
>4.5 / 5
Brendel is shite though.
>>61047979
>>61044931
Both wrong. Electronic listening has changed everything. 3D spatial listening is objectively superior to even the most advanced acoustic scoring techniques (which are only marginally possible with large ensembles). Anyway both you opinions are outdated and kind of autistic.
>>61047608
i find the nypo a little roughshod for the work, and not in a good way. prefer the vpo recordings really
>>61048137
but muh svanholm and ferrier
>>61048134
Recordings still cant capture the experience of being in the same acoustic space as a performer though. It just cant be done.
The step above being a recording connoisseur is being a live concert connoisseur.
>>61048159
i find thorberg and kullmann pretty good
>>61048376
kullman is great, i think i like her as much as ferrier, but i prefer svanholm in terms of both voice in acting in comparison to thorberg. but i like ohmann on the schuricht recording even more than either of them.
speaking complete truth, i guess i don't really have a favorite, there are too many that i enjoy.
uh, have you heard the Carlos Kleiber one? is it any good? i was thinking about purchasing it.
>>61048422
>kullman is great
*thorbeg is great
>in comparison to thorberg
*in comparison to kullman
accidentally inverted them
>>61048422
i prefer ferrier mostly because i prefer the contralto for das lied, what makes the 1936 vpo recording special for me is the whole viennese fluency of the performance
well, kleiber good in the sense that everythings well performed and well conducted, but you dont get the same sense of mahler flow with earlier performances. kleiber professed himself to be not so interested in mahler, but the recording shows he was very attentive to details. sound quality is only decent on pic related album, rest are bad.
>>61048567
thanks
>>61046863
Anything over 4.0 is extremely high on RYM though.
ClassicsToday released a Top10 list for this year. How many have you heard?
>>61047979
Who said anything about church music? Stay on topic.
>Music is always meant to be heard.
Yes, and ideally you are somewhat involved, if not at least aware of how such sounds are produced because you yourself tried a piano version of it before the concert. only a little over a century ago, it was likely that a large proportion of the listeners at a piano recital in large cities in Europe and America had learned to play the piano, and some of them had an inkling of the physical and mental challenges involved in turning a written score into performance. The audience, therefore, was still taking an active part in a more than four-hundred-year-old tradition of playing a keyboard instrument. To some extent playing Beethoven in public today is like performing Shakespeare for an audience for whom English is a language only incompletely familiar. You're not really hearing the music as anything more than pretty sounds, and that's a pity.
>>61049336
Dammit.
http://www.classicstoday.com/classicstoday-coms-top-ten-picks-of-2015/
>>61049350
Do you have a point? or just rambling on about nothing?
Church music is as on topic as it gets for the argument that music is for listening to. Only the monks or priests learning the pieces had any idea about their construction. Knowing how to play an instrument is not necessary for the enjoyment of music, even classical music.
your argument seems to be "music is only for playing on your own" which is simply wrong.
>>61047979
>Having a solo piece you play yourself didm't really happen until score printing became cheap and widespread.
You mean in the 16th and 17th centuries?
Parts printing - 16th century
Score printing -17th century
Just to give you an idea, 35 million(!) books of music were printed in the 16th century... in Venice alone. Mind you this was only the first century of music printing, and the very first volume of polyphonic music was only printed in 1501.
>Even then, many published pieces were intended to be played in a drawing room to a small audience of friends and family, or to be played with a singer, or as a trio, etc.
Thank you for conceding to my point. Note how this is far from the conditions of a modern concert performance?
>Music purely for learning purposes is only a very small percentage.
You're claiming that almost the entirety of the corpus of Bach's keyboard works, including the inventions and sinfonias, the french suites, the english suites, the partitats, the french ouvreture and the Italian concerto, the two books of the well-tempered clavier, the organ mass, the goldberg variations, and the art of the fugue, most of which bore explicit statement in title pages that they were intended for didactic purposes, was just a minority of his output? And the question was never about didactic pieces of music, the crux of the issue was, along with the original question, the method of consumption for said music, which is by playing, not passive consumption.
can't we just talk about how patrician David Hurwitz is
I mean come on most of this stuff is outside the Grammophone committee
>>61049544
he sucks as much enescu dick as i do so hes alright
>>61049561
>Pablo Casals described Enescu as "the greatest musical phenomenon since Mozart"[14] and "one of the greatest geniuses of modern music".[15]
pretty high praise, I don't get how he's greater than Bartok though
>>61049389
>Knowing how to play an instrument is not necessary for the enjoyment of music, even classical music.
It is actually, for the case of Church music, we can take the most illustrious case, that of the Papal Chapel in Rome, in the early 16th century. If you go through the records like Dr Jeffrey Dean has, you'd find that the Pope isn't even together with his chapel during the daily office and mass. The singers were essentially just singing to themselves and the other chaplains. When audience is present, as in the papal services, there's hardly any reference to the singers apart from when they made mistakes and disturbed the ritual. In other words, the musicians provided agreeable noise, and any expectations of them were on ritual grounds, instead of musical grounds other than the sound to be agreeable. It would be hard to believe that the great composers of the day wrought such spectacular pieces of elaborate polyphony just so they can be background music and provide cues to the ritual that's going on. Sure, they were great lovers of music, such as Duke Ercole II, but they were discerning amateurs who themselves are singers and involved in the making of music. You may try to argue that anyone can be made to appreciate classical music, but from the earliest days the intended audience for these types of music has always been those with some minimal musical literacy, and not the general public.
godDAMN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx0YyTiyne0
>>61049588
he's just as good imo.
the two were close friends, as well. Enescu conducted Bartok's music for a tribute concert to Dinu Lipatti (Enescu was his Godfather).
Enescu and Bartok are pretty similar composers on a surface level as well, they, along with Janacek, all come from that Debussian inspired harmonic language combined with the folk music of their respective homelands.
unfortunately unlike Bartok it can be pretty hard to find great performances of Enescu works.
in regards to the Pablo Casals quote, Casals probably made the analogy because Enescu was basically a super musician. not only was a virtuoso and world-famous violinist, he was equally as good at the piano, and he was a very capable cellist as well, and he was a good conductor too. he had something of a super-memory as well, there are all sorts of crazy stories out there about him.
he's probably a good example of too much talent in too many areas, and as a result he was stretched thin. Menuhin said that he wasn't given very much time to compose due to how often he was in-demand. combine that with his perfectionist attitude towards composition, and you end up with not a whole lot of compositions.
>>61049389
>>61049594
Coming back to my point, which was never
>"music is only for playing on your own"
Rather it's a rejection of your puerile and facile claim that by somehow turning up to a concert hall one evening and sit there and passively soak up the tunes, you're enjoying the music "as it was intended", or "in the ideal situation", even if you were completely ignorant of what's involved in the musicmaking (as I suspect you are since otherwise you won't make these absurd claims and expect to get away with it on a music-literate thread of all places). All my previous posts presented evidence that
1. A significant portion of pieces in the repertory (and no, not just "teaching pieces" as you so hastily reduced the entirety of Bach's ouvre to) were never meant to be performed in huge concert halls and enjoyed by the general public. They require at least some degree of personal familiarity, ideally facilitated by playing through the pieces yourself, for many features cannot be made audible in the concert hall, and if it were it would grossly distort the carefully balanced texture of the piece designed by the composer in the first place.
2. Even with pieces intended for public performance, times change and performance context change with it, so the modern concert hall may not provide the most ideal rendition of the music after all, not more than recordings anyway.
>>61049758
3. The classical tradition has always been elitist in that composers wrote music for the players and the music literate public (and of course, the composers themselves), not the general public. Sure, anyone can be taught to appreciate this music, provided they acquaint themselves with the culture and become somewhat musically literate themselves. To use an analogy, you're essentially claiming that anyone can appreciate Shakespeare provided you watched performances of his plays in the Globe, but not to worry about the drama, the characters and puns, isn't it enough that the words make pretty sounds? If this is the extent of your "ideal" musical appreciation, then so be it, and I can offer nothing more to you than pity. Otherwise if you disagree, refute one of stated my points.
Man I never get tired of Act 3 Scene 1 of Gotterdammerung. The interplay between the Rhein maidens and Siegfired is pure bliss.
>>61048567
YO. If you like Mahler, try and find Bernstein's recording of Mahler 9 with the Berlin Philharmonic. Really really good recording, he adds so much weight and expressiveness to everything.
>>61049953
I really wish I could like Wagner.
>>61050418
>a performance so bad that it killed a man
nty
>>61050418
>>61050509
Horenstein was a very good looking chap
Why is Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis by Ralph Vaughn Williams so good, bros?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihx5LCF1yJY
>>61040204
>Do you just not listen to the 3rd/5th/6th/7th/ or 9th symphonies? The late quartets? Missa Solemnis? The operas? The promethian creatures? Fucking holy shit how autistic can you get?
>Nobody can possibly have an experience different from mine.
Textbook autistic reaction.
>Yes, it is. But there has to be a point when literally 90% of all performers, conductors, composers, and writers agreeing that Bach, Beethoven and Mozart are the greatest composers convinces you right?
>YIELD TO YOUR MASTERS SIMPLETON
>WE ARE MANY
>WE ARE ACADEMIA
>WE HOLD THE POWER
>WE HOLD THE KNOWLEDGE
>WE WEAR THE WIGS
>WUZ COLONISTS AND SHIT
>YOU HOLD NOTHING
>YOU ARE KNOW NOTHING
>YOU ARE NOTHING
>YIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELD
>*THUNDERCLAP*
>You can't possibly be so fucking egotistical that you'd assert that everyone is wrong but you right?
The vast majority of Western adults agree with me, in fact. But I never mentioned that, nor do I want to base any part of my argument on it, since I can think for myself and listen to music with my own ears.
>Don't like it? Sure. Don't get it? That's fine.
Get what? That Beethoven was very smart? I never disagreed. I just don't think that music as a vehicle for advertising its composer technical knowledge and fresh harmonic whoopty doos can stay interesting for very long. Source: reality.
>How could you possibly call OTHER people autistic nerds while trying to espouse atonal harmony as the epitome of music?
A nice straw man to top off your ham-handed, knee-jerk, non-contributive, say-nothing rant. Please quote the comment where I said atonal harmony is the epitome of music or even implied anything close. Or better yet, don't. Otherwise you risk actually engaging in discussion about music with another person and can no longer spazz out like a child when your totemic animals are being insulted.
>>61050832
>I just don't think that music as a vehicle for advertising its composer technical knowledge and fresh harmonic whoopty doos can stay interesting for very long.
That's because:
A. You don't study music
B. You don't understand the basic concept of appreciating music through analysis, and never will
oh, btw, pick two
>>61050870
>You don't understand the basic concept of appreciating music through analysis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism
>>61050914
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme
more importantly, /classical/ thinks Schoenberg was a hack? literally why?
>>61050930
>61050930
its just memes and one fuccboi
>>61050755
After singing the tunes for Archbishop Parker's psalter for (literally) years, I only realised that the 3rd tune is the main theme to the Tallis fantasia. Felt pretty stupid
>>61040509
Hahahhaahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
You are absolutely right my friend!
>>61050930
Because he's shit.
>>61047997
>dry
Nice meme opinion. Brendel rules (at Beethoven, Mozart, and Schubert at least).
Opinions on Monteverdi? What are some essential releases with his music?
>>61053054
The obvious first choice.
>>61052986
Take any Beethoven Piano sonata and tell me how Brendel plays it better than Schabel or Pollini
ok lads i dont know anything abt classical but i rly like what ive heard from satie & debussy, where do i go from here??
The mast vajority of people in these threads are fucking jokes. You're all the literal embodiment exaggerated unreasonable extremist views.
>He has this one characteristic
>IT IS NOW THE ONLY CHARACTERISTIC HE HAS
>IT DEFINES HIS ENTIRE HISTORY
>EVERYTHING YOU SAY THAT CONTESTS THIS NOTION IN ANY WAY IS WROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG
>>61053649
Chopin, Rubinsten interpretations for starters. Horowitz also has some good ones. Also, Scriabin.
>>61053860
Did you just tell him to listen to Rubinstein for Chopin?
>>61053934
Yes?
>>61054009
Are you meming me, you fucking memer?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxL9lPFhEqQ
>>61039243
>#1 Verdi
>#2 Mozart
>FURTHER PROOF
>U
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>T
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>>61054032
Playing most of the preludes, and most of Chopin's music, slower diminishes all their non-mopey proprieties. Which is bad since his music is not menstrual proto-Funeral Doom. It evokes a very large range of (mostly negative) feelings but plodding sadness is only one of them, and it's actually quite rare too. The only pieces that should be played slower are the ones with obviously wacky tempo markings, like op. 27, and contrapuntal stuff like 55/2.
>>61054009
>>61054245
Don't get me wrong, he's a fantastic pianist; extremely skilled, he just doesn't capture Chopin well, I think. Fucking awful Chopin.
>>61054245
Well if you'd like, compare that interpretation to this on your point of people playing too slow ruining the dynamic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiwPzHJ-Pic
>>61054264
What your favorite recordings of the preludes then? Individual nocturnes? Op. 53?
>>61054332
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BZ3IEQQf4s
No comment on the preludes.
ok senpai thanks
>Anything but Alfred Cortot for Chopin
"lol"
This guy is /classical/, r-right guys?
>not pollini
Did Wagner write any music besides operas?
>>61056068
>did post-sex change meryl streep write any good music?
Since Abbado is being a tame faggot AGAIN, what is the best recording of Bruckner's 4th?
>>61036014
this statement has never been truer desoo
>>61057161
ok, I just found out it's the Berliner one AGAIN
>>61040204
>showing reddit sincerity on a board so deep under layers of post-irony
>>61050930
>/classical/ thinks Schoenberg was a hack
Not true btw
>>61057161
jochum
>>61056983
Seriously though, did he?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI0P1NnUFxc
>>61056983
only good music, in fact
Anagrams of Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart:
Alas! /mu/ fagz rate Mo' down!
Mu's fag-man ratez a god low!
Anus made a fag go rate moz' low.
How do we feel about Britten?
>>61063861
>British composers after Purcell
>tfw you realise Fevin composed a La Sol Mi Fa Re mass
>>61034557
Wow, this hurt to read.
>>61064161
fantastic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwSwopSro0k
>>61063015
rip /classical/
>>61067812
/classical/ has been resting in peace for a long time now
Where can I download ALL the classical music?
Right now I have about 150 GB but it's pretty much all Mozart, Bach, Handel, Beethoven, etc, all mainstream stuff. I need all of it, including more obscure composers
>>61064214
thought everyone composed that shit along with the armed man
Is there a download of pic related available online? If not, what's the best Poulenc Double Piano Concerto recording there is out there? It seems this piece is one of those that there simply don't seem to be decent recordings of on Youtube.
>>61069909
Another chance to bump the thread.
>>61040204
>But there has to be a point when literally 90% of all performers, conductors, composers, and writers agreeing that Bach, Beethoven and Mozart are the greatest composers convinces you right?
It convinces me that Mozart is underrated, since it should be unanimously him.
>>61069595
If you're talking about ostinato masses, only Josquin and Jacquet composed masses on that particular melody. I just find it amusing that Fevin based his mass on Josquin's theme with only the last three notes scrambled. By moving the "mi" from the last note to the third note he turned the motif on its head and payed Josquin homage in a tongue-in-cheek fashion. And this joke is particularly effective considering the structure of Fevin's mass is also closely modeled on Josquin's.
>>61054914
If CLT said so, who am I to say otherwise
>>61071116
>who am I to say otherwise
someone with good taste?
>>61071116
CLT knows modern shit isn't good. Don't believe the memes.
>>61033217
>>61033083
Performed this in my theory class last week. Love you /mu/
Happy birthday Beethoven.
Any of you niggers tried to google anything recently?
So, I'm a complete neophyte when it comes to classical. I just recently discovered Bolero by Maurice Ravel, and was amazed by how well it synced up while I was reading pic related.
My question is does anyone have any suggestions for me if I wanted to find more pieces that had that "Adventurous" feel, or more composers I can learn about?
>>61072714
Rimsky korsakov - Scheherazade
Borodin - In the steppes of Central Asia
>>61072788
Thanks! Borodin was alright, but I really enjoyed the entirety of Scheherazade.
>>61073432
try mussorgsky's pictures at an exhibition
where do you guys watch opera? is met on demand worth it?
>>61074946
in an auditorium like it was meant to be experienced
>>61074946
on the bus through my phone on speaker
>>61039960
4th or 3rd
rotting
death
>>61077340
i blame memes
