>wassup with dat?
what did she mean by this?
Reminder that Maya knocked the confederate fedoras off /pol/ and they're super butthurt now
>>60848671
You'll cowards don't even smoke crack
>>60848727
>>60848727
>sand nigger bitch
so rustled he can't even get his slurs right
>>60849029
>the worthless shithole her ancestors came from actually doesn't have that much sand. Btfo!
lol no
>>60849861
>being this triggered
W E W L A D
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>>60849861
Arabs and Desis are fundamentally different peoples. This is basic ass shit unless you're a Cletus who thinks all non whites are the same.
Man I probably never would have listened to this track if /pol/ hadn't thrown a hissy fit over it
But because they did I decided to go and see what the fuss was over and I actually really like the song
I never thought I'd say this, but thanks /pol/
mia is qt
>>60848761
Ahaaah
Yeeaah
Here's a lil summin for all you bustas
>>60850179
have you checked out any of her other work?
whilst I think Borders overall (viewing the vid and song as one) is a very fine piece of work, she's definitely made far better music in the past.
>>60850438
Yeah man it's almost as good as this piece of art that isn't propaganda:
https://youtu.be/fpCBFoWDemQ
>>60850609
Not watching your link
>>60850640
Okay.
too bad in addition to be muh leftist propaganda its a shit song. MIA did much better in the past
To be honest I think if we welcomed more refugees into our countries they wouldn't feel the need to be so violent and put us in our place
>>60850683
>inb4 autists reply
>>60850438
I heard a few scattered tracks off of matangi and apart from that I haven't really heard any of her stuff, besides paper planes obviously
Might give her a go
>>60850609
Is this what /pol/ does now, do you guys just go around looking for music videos that disagree with your delusional agenda so that you can raid them
That's pretty juvenile
>>60850609
>>60850671
>propaganda
how is it propaganda?
>>60850711
Watch /pol/ try to tell you
>da evil refugees
>da jewlluminati
Or something among those lines.
>>60850711
>your privilege
>wuts up w dat
>the music video shows middle easterners en mass climbing over fences and coming on boats with mia spearheading them
It's clearly pushing a political agenda, hence propaganda
>>60850723
How would that even be relevant? Whenever one agrees with the songs msg or whoever one thinks who is behind it all :^) is completely besides whenever its pushing an agenda or not.
How many pro-refugee people actually live in neighbourhoods with a significant refugee population? They mostly stick to themselves and self-segregate, having no real interest in establishing meaningful relationships with the people already living in those communities. Invariably, tension builds and leads to culture clash. It's human nature. We can't stamp out our tribalistic instinct, no matter how much your starry-eyed idealism tells you it's a good idea.
>>60850791
Shhh, stop making valid points you'll trigger the leftists. I can already hear the furious clicks of their collective mouses shuffling through go-back-to-/pol/ image folders.
>>60850791
90% of what you said caused by them being poor and is also true for normal citisens though
>>60850791
Kinda. I live in kanaleneiland, Utrecht, the Netherlands, which means there's mostly minorities. But mostly second generation immigrants here. I think we need to be smart about letting people in but we can definitely handle a bit more
>>60850790
>It's clearly pushing a political agenda, hence propaganda
Lmao do you know what symbolism is?
The song is called "Borders".
And how do you know that they're middle eastern?
Hmmm.
Your privilege and other things she questions is for you to look into yourself.
Answer her questions for yourself, she's basically saying to be introspective of this.
>>60850791
So sticking to yourself is "self segregation"?
Hmmmmmm.
And not seeking out to actively butt kiss people is wrong?
Hmmmmmm.
>>60850920
Samefag but culture clashes and cultures melding do always happen.
>>60850920
>So sticking to yourself is "self segregation"?
yes it is and it makes no sense if you want to integrate and to be frank refugees should at least feel obliged to integrate
>>60850790
>your privilege
Can't believe you've missed the point this badly.
>>60850920
What kind of thought did you just attempt to cobble together
>>60850946
They're already integrating by simply being there.
>>60850957
Reread it if you don't understand.
>>60850848
The thing is, these refugees are coming from countries with real problems, not the made-up "my feelings" issues that we've convinced ourselves exist. They understand that ethnic/tribal conflict is ingrained into human nature, because chances are, they've lived it. They come to our first-world countries to escape the violence and persecution (actual violence and persecution mind you, not "micro-aggressions"), and they are genuinely grateful for this opportunity, but make no mistake; they have no real interest in integrating into our societies or being your friend. I don't blame them, and I certainly don't think this makes them "lesser" or anything ridiculous like that; they simply haven't been tainted by the Western idealism that every human being on the planet can hold hands and live in peace and harmony in spite of massive cultural differences. This is why they will gravitate to various ethnicity-based "clubs" on college campuses. Family and ties to the home country are valued above all else. I've worked with enough refugees to have seen this first-hand.
>>60850848
they are just as bad off as the lowest classes or better off that than in places they get more aid, plus with non immigrant citizens its more of a rift in class relations than themselves.
Clashes in populations are based on cultural clashes, hence class tensions when the classes drift apart to the extent they become different culturally. This is also why when immigrants who do not want to assimilate culturally, learn the language etc come en masse tensions arise between them and their neighbors in the same social class.
It's not rocket science nor is it based on racism to think that, I don't get why some people respond so furious to it.
>>60850887
Symbolism is propaganda you silly faggot, look at nazi propaganda, lots of it is based on symbolism with hitler leading his peoples with fucking eagles and shining sun through the clouds. Or look at USSR propaganda its the same shit not all of it is just flat out kill the jews hur dur or fuck the rich. If you actually think symbolism cant be propaganda youre beyond saving.
>>60850952
what is that le point i missed so badly? Are you going to say she was being ironical or something?
>>60851018
Of course it's going to be propaganda.
It's straight up autistic to say "THIS SONG IS PROPAGANDA!!!!!1!!!"
Might as well call everything propaganda.
>>60850887
>Answer her questions for yourself, she's basically saying to be introspective of this.
this desu.
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2015/11/mia-borders-video-refugees-migration-appropriation/418017/
good article on it.
>>60850609
>Christmas Song
>Not Propaganda
would you gf mia though
y/n
please respond
>>60851112
Fuck off.
>>60850996
holy kek do you not make sense. Just because you stick your head underwater doesnt make you integrated and living in harmony with the fish, also the guy was right you are stringing random thoughts together without rime or reason to make some half assed point.
>>60851056
Huh? Well if it is propaganda and casually mentioning whats the problem with explaining it when someone goes how is it propaganda? Also that's not really true songs may have a bias often as for they are written by people who follow their own personal biases but until it actively pushes whatever those biases to the forefront you cant call it propaganda.
>>60851051
She's criticizing SJWs
>>60851112
y, would argue with her about all this shit though but i dont mind people having different political opinions unless they are being anal about them
>>60851154
I don't see it that way, I can see how you could view it like that but she's not obviously doing so. I think the lyrics are a bit too vague to say for sure whenever she's asking whats up with that as it actually questioning the concept or it being a silly passive aggressive pop chorus, she'd need to comment on it for me to be sure either way.
>>60851135
edgy
>>60851142
That was the stupidest excuse of an analogy I've ever read with my own two eyes.
>Well if it is propaganda and casually mentioning whats the problem with explaining it when someone goes how is it propaganda?
There is no problem with someone interpreting something as propaganda.
>Also that's not really true
Sure.
Everything you encounter is propaganda. Advertisements, billboards, books, songs, etc.
>>60848671
I find it pretty arousing
>swn say 'wassup with dat' pointing at your cock
>>60851253
>le lets group everything with any bias as propaganda and as everything has a bias its all propaganda meme
playing with the meaning of words doesnt actually bring anything to the conversation desu
also the analogy was nowhere near as terminally retarded as saying that just cause they are there means they are integrated which borders :^)
>>60850609
Glad to see /pol/tards are still too pussy to reveal their real identities. Oh well, hicks gon hick.
>>60851419
>also the analogy was nowhere near as terminally retarded as saying that just cause they are there means they are integrated which borders :^)
I'm gonna need a proper translation for this. :^)
>>60851469
which borders sneaked in, otherwise its perfectly intelligible
surely a language specialist such as you wouldn't have any problems with comprehensive reading, unless of course for some reason he choose to ignore the point he doesn't has a counter-argument for :^)
>>60851089
Yeah but it's the way it's presented. She's just reading off a list of liberal talking points with no subtlety.
![sg4yf7[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/n0MXzu5.jpg "sg4yf7[1].jpg")
>>60851451
What did she mean by this?
>>60851547
>which borders sneaked in, otherwise its perfectly intelligible
*unintelligible
Lmao is English not your first language?
>surely a language specialist such as you wouldn't have any problems with comprehensive reading, unless of course for some reason he choose to ignore the point he doesn't has a counter-argument for :^)
>muh "debate" meme
E/b/in points :^)
Keep giving me these yous.
>>60851603
I can't read that.
>>60850698
definitely give Kala a try at the very least.
Any artist who chooses to write in politics in any form other than allusions for atmosphere's sake or the like into their music is a hack and is not worthy of a squat of shit.
Anyone who thinks otherwise should be completely dismissed.
>>60851603
LOLOL. /pol/tards actually believe they aren't being monitored 24/7.
>>60851688
best post ITT
>>60851764
worst post ITT
>>60851634
u need glasses m8o
>>60851607
I think you've missed the memo that shitposting while continually ignoring to provide any counter arguments doesn't win you an argument desu. Back to school with you :>))
>>60851778
memest post ITT
>>60851783
>think you've missed the memo that shitposting while continually ignoring to provide any counter arguments doesn't win you an argument desu. Back to school with you :>))
I think you missed the memo that continuously giving me yous will make me grow healthy and strong.
Thank you so much for these yous.
I live for the yous.
>>60851688
>using penn meme unironically
>>60851803
Third memest post ITT
>>60851688
Any oppressed group has the right to express their message through their art.
Only a person who has never been on the receiving end of oppression would agree with your post, m8,
Free speech is a fundamental right.
>>60851688
if you can't read the political messages inherent in all vocal music, you aren't paying attention
>>60851562
>Yeah but it's the way it's presented. She's just reading off a list of liberal talking points with no subtlety.
If anything, that makes it less like propaganda, because the Christmas song carries just as much ideological baggage, but is not as forthright about it
>>60851814
its almost 2016 friendo, we've left the concept of irony well behind
>>60851854
Oh yeah they do have the right, anyone everywhere has a right to be a hack and many if not most use that right.
Many valuable works of art by important artists are charged by politics or oppression, but none of those valuable works spell it out for you. Unambiguity in art is a tell tale sign of hacks, this applies especially to music.
>>60852057
>Unambiguity in art is a tell tale sign of hacks, this applies especially to music.
So all artists have to be big pussies who coyly tip toe around what they want to express?
There are plenty of great artists with overtly political lyrics.
>>60852057
>but none of those valuable works spell it out for you
Not true btw
>"Borders", while easily read as a call to dissolve boundaries and welcome refugees, is far more complex than that. It questions fundamental assumptions in an ever changing age - and also the new formed behavior patterns of the Internet age. Rather than microwaving up a hot take, this haunting, hypnotic and slyly catchy gem wants the listen to sit back and question everything. M.I.A. might impudently ask "what's up wid dat?", but the subtly chilly beat invites the listener to drown out the background noise, quiet the impulse to snap to judgement and, instead, simply reflect. On the refugee crisis sure, on what a border truly means (if anything) in 2015, but also on ourselves. The way we dress, what we consider important and how we find definition in an increasingly individualistic and atomised age. These deep questions are asked in the shallowest (and therefore) least loaded way. She might not change the way you think, but this sumptuous creeper invites quiet reflection - unsurprisingly it's already incited rabid vitriol online.
>>60852057
>>>60851814 (You)
>its almost 2016 friendo, we've left the concept of irony well behind
does that mean you've left behind self-awareness as well?
>>60852260
Most likely
>>60852260
I'm talking politics on an anonymous imageboard populated with children and imbeciles
there are clearly a lot of things I've left behind
>>60851878
>inherent in all vocal music
You mean personal biases right? Even that is a stretch and applies more to lyrics, unless of course you are stretching the meaning of having a political message to encompass most if not all man made things in which case whatever. Getting into semantic disputes is a giant waste of time.
>>60852161
>>60852225
The biggest advantage of music I find is ambiguity and loftiness, eliminating that ambiguity and instead shifting the focus of your music onto being more of a read out essay with doodling in the background is a hack thing to do.
You can do the same thing with writing or poetry which is a much more suited art form for this kind of expression. A quality piece of music I find should focus on exploring the strengths and unique aspects of the art form instead of ignoring these in favor for a mere message which is just as suitable for other mediums. This results in most of music that goes for the muh politics aspect being made by hack artists who couldn't make it in the more appropriate for what they are trying to achieve medium.
This is just my subjective opinion desus, don't get your panties all in a twist just cause a stranger on the internet thinks your opinions are plebeian :^)
>>60852327
>talking about politics
that was your error
>>60852571
>being more of a read out essay with doodling in the background is a hack thing to do.
tbf this Borders track is kind of an outlier from MIA in that regard. she's normally aesthetically communicative, making her point with sound and image rather than actually saying it. but in this case, she's a bit more direct, and I can understand why considering the circumstances.
i sympathise with what you're saying though. the world doesn't need more immortal techniques or hopsins.
>>60852571
I'm gonna ignore the clearly inflammatory vibe of your post.
>eliminating that ambiguity and instead shifting the focus of your music onto being more of a read out essay with doodling in the background is a hack thing to do.
>a hack thing to do
That's your opinion. Most art, especially film is driven by some sort of political agenda. The degree of subtlety varies from release to release, but you'd have to be a chump to believe no politically charged art has been groundbreaking within its field.
>A quality piece of music I find should focus on exploring the strengths and unique aspects of the art form instead of ignoring these in favor for a mere message which is just as suitable for other mediums.
To summarize, you like music for the "feels" as opposed to message of its lyrical content.
>This results in most of music that goes for the muh politics aspect being made by hack artists who couldn't make it in the more appropriate for what they are trying to achieve medium
Also not true. Acts like Public Enemy broke new ground in a lot of production aspects whilst maintaining a politically charged theme. I can see certain acts using a political message as a diversion to their lack of musical ability (cue montage of power-chord "punk" acts), but it should not serve as a factor in their "immediate dismissal" as you seem to believe.
what a shit thread
>>>/pol/
>>60852571
While I understand that there is such thing as artists being trite and hamfisted, are you really going to tell me all these songs are the work of hacks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM5_6js19eM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSxlZQUqVPY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7VQVzMR4Rs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgpa7wEAz7I
I prefer it the other way, music is media, media is communication, and when an artist tires to make songs that are "lofty" and "ambiguous" that can very easily translate to vapid, shallow and meaningless.
I understand that there is value in ambiguity in art, and I don't think everything needs to be spelled out, but give me an example of a song with lyrics that have no political implications
>>60852571
bTFO'd!
>>60850683
>we welcomed more refugees into our countries they wouldn't feel the need to be so violent
how's that working out in sweden ?
oh yeah it's now the rape capital of europe....
>>60852749
If it came off as inflammatory I didn't meant it like that, not especially so anyway.
>You'd have to be a chump to believe no politically charged art has been groundbreaking within its field.
Politically charged =/= politically focused.
There is a difference between using politics for the sake of art and using art for the sake of politics. I don't have a problem with politics being an inspiration as I said before, I have a problem with them being the main dish.
>you like music for the "feels"
I didn't say that, unless you count any sort of emotion in music at all as feels, in that case yeah I like music that is trying to convey something in a non explicit way rather than having a clear cut message. Besides you can integrate an implicit message in music and it come off much more coherent than spelling it out. Off the top of my head I mean for example This Heat as an example of a band integrating an implicit message in music.
With regard to public enemy and also replying to >>60852908 some of that kind of music is integrating politics just as much for atmosphere's sakes as anything else I find. The bigger problem is when it goes too far into trying to sell it's biases to you instead of just having those political biases. There is a difference between Meat is Murder or the song in question in this thread and some of the examples you posted where it's more about the flavor of music than making everyone who listens to it a vegan.
>>60850609
lol, so having a political opinion and talking about it is propaganda now?
>>60850790
>expressing political ideology is bad
Either propoganda is unique from general advocacy and you need to articulate how it is and why this song constitutes propoganda, OR propoganda is not a bad thing
>>60850791
I'm from East London, went to school with mostly 2nd gen kids and it was cool. The different races were semi clique-y, as kids are, but we all got on and those broke down over time. Pretty based assimilation.
>>60849861
she's from Sri Lanka, a tropical island nation to the south of India
you sir, are retarded
>the majority of /mu/ are white teens who listen mainly to rap and read teh huffington post
explains a lot 2bh
Her sentiment is okay but her music is terrible and her politics are generally very narrow sighted.
>>60854998
>but her music is terrible
Borders isn't great, but nah
>>60854673
You /pol/keks lost your right to complain after resorting to /b/-tier rads.
See >>60848727
>>60848793
It amazes me how stupid /pol/ is.
By flooding her with hate and racism all they're doing is validating her posturizing as a courageous artist standing up to widespread bigotry. Expect her to talk about the amount of racism she faced on her press tour for next album. Left-leaning media (ie the people that care about MIA) will of course be very sympathetic towards her and put her on the front of their site. Cue /pol/:
>REEEEE FUCKING BITCH NIGGER CUNT
Grats /pol/ on helping make this her most popular song since Paper Planes. MIA has always thrived on controversy, why would they think this is a good idea?
>>60855751
Because A U T I S M
/pol/ has always been a cancerous cesspool
>>60855751
>Grats /pol/ on helping make this her most popular song since Paper Planes
It's hard to know how many views the video really has since it's on apple music (I'd guess around 5m to 10m atm), but I very much doubt it will be bigger than Bad Girls.
>>60855751
/pol/ doesn't organize to change things. It's gallows humor.
>>60855751
/pol/ has little to no effect on how well the vid will do/is doing. At most there's a few thousand on /pol/. To a video that will inevitably clock up millions of views, that's pretty much nothing.
>>60851112
who's this thickens?
>>60850609
>Macy Gray
man, the music industry is unforgiving. She was humongous in like 1999, and now her newest video has barely 20k hits.
>>60856191
Lmao /pol/ tried to raid the video when it first came out.
They hate 8k dislikes but the likes blew them out of the fucking water.
M.I.A. has had quite the strange career. Easy forget she performed at the superbowl.
Downvoted
>>60850887
>And how do you know that they're middle eastern?
They're Tamil. The vid was filmed in Pondicherry.
This track is shit. Her politics were always cheeky or cringey.
Born Free and Bad Girls are superior singles.
Fuck all the refugees. Fuck them all to death.
>>60858160
Now that's what I call edgy!
>>60858183
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSFZktZNySg
>>60858213
This season of South Park is shit desu
>>60850821
>leftists
>liking open borders
Floods of cheap labor are good for businesses and prevent strikes because you have millions of scabs willing to work for shit
Fuck, even Bernie Sanders says this and he's hardly a leftist.
>inb4 leftists are liberals
>inb4 Scandinavia is leftist
>>60851112
Literally WHO is that semen demon?
>MAH BOIS
>MUH GRILLS
>>60848727
>>60848793
/pol/c.ucks are at it again
those shitheads will never learn
>>60855751
this
>>60858472
i keep on saying it, but they're really wasting they're energy because any YouTube upload is unofficial, and is taken down within a few days,
>>60859817
>i keep on saying it, but they're really wasting they're energy
Consider the irony of that statement.
>>60860217
Consider suicide to your life.
>>60860217
The difference being, I'm shitposting on 4chan, not on a crusade to save the white race.
>>60860267
>>60860301
Did I touch a nerve?
>>60860467
Not really since there was no irony in his post.
Thanks for the yous though.
>>60858472
Kek. They're getting desperate.
