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Chamber music edition.
Post your favorite string/piano trios, quartets, quintets etc.
>inb4 how do I into classical?
https://mega.co.nz/#F!mMYGhBgY!Ee_a6DJvLJRGej-9GBqi0A
https://mega.co.nz/#F!lIh3GRpY!piUs-QdhZACFt2hGtX39Rw
https://mega.co.nz/#F!Y8pXlJ7L!RzSeyGemu6QdvYzlfKs67w
https://mega.co.nz/#F!kMpkFSzL!diCUavpSn9B-pr-MfKnKdA
https://mega.nz/#F!ekBFiCLD!spgz8Ij5G0SRH2JjXpnjLg
https://mega.co.nz/#F!4EVlnJrB!PRjPFC0vB2UT1vrBHAlHlw
https://mega.co.nz/#F!ygImCRjS!1C9L77tCcZGQRF6UVXa-dA
https://mega.co.nz/#F!il5yBShJ!WPT0v8GwCAFdOaTYOLDA1g
https://mega.co.nz/#F!DdJWUBBK!BeGdGaiAqdLy9SBZjCHjCw
http://crudblud.sjm.so/
Who had the best quartets of the 20th century, Bartok or Schoenberg?
>>60806035
Neither.
what do you guys think of artists who bring a modersn spin to classical instruments, like eklipse and 2cellos?
>Jean Francaix- Wind Quintet No.2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6y3HBZIH3U
>Jean Francaix- Wind QuintetNo.1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3ZZ5uekHBc
>Jean Francaix- Le Gai Paris for Trumpet, Wind Octet and String Bass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbcOdUCT1GA
>Samuel Barber- Summer Music for Wind Quintet
Pt.1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBOjvIhm2Cs
Pt.2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VBrJHafsJw
>Paul Hindemith- Clarinet Quintet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZohpj8kVVQ
>Paul Hindemith- Quartet for Violin, Cello, Piano And Clarinet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHMDwCS_jKA
Personally I love 20th century Music with winds. In particular Hindemith and Jean Francaix, their take on Neo-classicism is great in my opinion, unfortunately, Jean Francaix's style never really matured past this point as most of his work sounds really similar.
>Art of Fugue should be played with a chamber ensemble
Plebs will defend this.
>>60806536
Do you know any good recs for an amateur-ish wind quintet to perform? We were going to do the first movement of Nielsen but clarinet girl doesn't have an A clarinet
>>60806656
>Art of Fugue should be played with a harpsichord
Plebs will also defend this.
![warlock[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/smYzIIP.jpg "warlock[1].jpg")
>>60805787
Capriol Suite - Pavane (Peter Warlock)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NvH-HrGNig
Bethlehem Down (Peter Warlock)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXRhKF0x1p8
The Four Seasons - Summer (Vivaldi)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDR0o4XT7Xk
>>60806672
Quintets? Yes,Is the horn player a Horn player or an Alto sax player? This is a legitimate question.
>>60806035
get the fuck out of here with that shit anon, twelve tone contrarians need not apply
>>60806825
>bartok
>twelve tone
lmao
>>60806796
horn
>>60806843
he was the first to consciously use the twelve note technique for a structural purpose in 1908, before Schoenberg "invented" it; check out his Bagatelle No. 3 anon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh-dR5-JgSw
>skip to 2.30
>>60806950
The discussion was in regards to the quartets, I wasn't talking about his Bagatelles you moron. His quartets are not set up in a strick 12 tone method at all.
>>60806852
How Amateur we talking here? Like Repertoire
Cl.
Weber concertino
Fl.
Bach atleast 2 sonatas
Oboe
Saint-saens
Bassoon
Mozart
Horn
Mozart
Like around that range or are we talking they do simple arrangements. I mean at best I think I have an arrangement of Children's Corner by Debussy. Try the two Pieces for Wind quintet by Guy Ropartz, It's the only one I know of with a Bb clarinet. Most are either In C or A. If not just do an arrangement of a quintet or piano piece. That usually works well.
>>60806852
Here is the Bartok Roumian folk dances arranged for Quintet
http://burrito.whatbox.ca:15263/imglnks/usimg/4/45/IMSLP256143-PMLP03387-Romanian_Folk_Dances_WW_Quintet-sp.pdf
>imslp
I really reccomend this site for pieces and arrangements.
>>60807018
Since he was the first to use it, you could say that he invented the technique, so I don't see any issue with attributing it to him
You made a blanket dismissal of Bartok having anything to do with it >>60806843 here
Your name-calling tickles me
>>60807064
>>60806852
Whoops, that was the score.
Well anyways go to imslp and on their search bar look up "Bartok Romanian Folk Dances Sz.56" And click on the piece it links you to then just go to the Arrangements & transcriptions tab and there is the version for Wind Quintet.
>>60807092
>Since he was the first to use it
iirc, Schoenberg called Bach the first twelve tone composer. Not in the strict sense, of course, but that most of Schoenberg's twelve tone methods can find itself explicitly in a few of Bach's compositions (Art of Fugue, opening theme of his Chromatic Fantasia & Fugue, the 24th WTC fugue). Though whether or not that is Schoenberg being serious or it's just an appeal by him to tradition is up to interpretation I suppose.
top secret
![ravel[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/NXeSFR8.jpg "ravel[1].jpg")
>>60807275
sorry for injecting derision, I didn't mean to shit up in a quality thread, my comment was off-topic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVURtE9kmbA
>>60807572
It's just discussion, m8. I doubt anyone here cares if some arguments happen.
>>60807396
these OVPP recordings sure are nice. haven't listened to them in over a year and they're still as good as i remember them being
>>60807572
my favorite recording of Ravel's has to be the Juilliard String Quartet's from 1960.
it's not anywhere online, but the Debussy string quartet it's always paired with - which is what got me back into classical - is online here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-_U5S_3t0E
the recording itself is incredible, and it sounds even better on an adequate system.
>>60806035
Shostakovich probably.
What's the ugliest cover you've seen recently?
>>60808631
She looks a lot like Grimes and all those ironically ugly twees that are really trendy these days.
>>60808401
oh yeah, these recordings sound great. they were recorded in a similar fashion to Mercury Living Presence recordings and used the same mics and everything (Neumann U77s).
their earlier stereo Bartok set was also recorded in the same fashion, as well as some of the other recordings they made around this time. easily some of the best sounding quartet recordings in terms of how natural it all sounds.
>>60808737
I've been listening to exactly those recordings all day - the ones that I can find on youtube, that is (1,3,5):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBzNnZatMtE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfAW6TD7z6M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeIwBHOcXL4
I was wondering if the MEGA dump that OP posted had these specific ones, or the complete Beethoven quartets from 1964-1970...
or any recordings from the Mann, Cohen, Hillyer, Adam era. everything I've heard them record puts me right there.
Who can give me some good recommendations for relatively easy piano music? I've been teaching myself for a couple of years now and I can finally sight-read through a piece with some consistency, albeit slowly.
Besides the big names, I've found some very playable stuff by Clementi and JC Bach of late. Please recommend more that I can enjoy while struggling through, /classical/
>>60809067
if you want, i can upload my complete set of their bartok >>60808737
it's in v0.
>>60805787
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19sKLlDJ1ZQ
Why is nothing as good as Chopin?
>>60809211
that would be very much appreciated! thank you!
I think it's so damn weird how so many of these solid recordings are completely out of print. you'd think Sony'd be bursting at the seams to make them available, considering their reputation, but - nope. I only got my hands on the Ravel/Debussy one through Testament Records in the U.K. - intentionally scoping out glaring production gaps, and filling them for people that would love them.
I'd upload the Ravel/Debussy for you, if you don't have it - if you like.
>>60809375
Rosen summed it up best
>Chopin’s music has no humor, except for a certain elegant wit present in some of the preludes and mazurkas. however, the intensity of most of his works, large- scale and miniature, generally surpasses that of all his contemporaries. it is perhaps not hard to pinpoint the source of this extraordinary intensity. it arises from the strange combination, on the one hand, of the techniques he mastered, the long- breathed sustaining of italian melody, supported as no italian opera composer knew how to accomplish, by the contrapuntal texture, and on the other, with the richness and continuous expressive interest of the inner voices that he learned from his study of Bach and Mozart. to this he added his adventurous and radical experiments in chromatic harmony that appalled his contemporaries but were exploited by later generations. rarely disturbed by the ostentatious virtuoso effects of liszt, never diluted by sallies of eccentric humor as in schumann and Berlioz, and never hemmed in by the prudent classicism of Mendelssohn’s art, much of his music has an intense, focused passion hardly ever equaled in the years between Beethoven and Wagner.
>>60809478
Yes,this, and it makes me so sad.
>Chopin is dead and will never create any new music and nothing else has ever or will ever compare.
>>60809450
https://mega.nz/#!6AlVkRIb!JNgViqlO-b5GM_GCl3nQTBuQaWEK-MSarl2Mi4d6P1Q
here it is. i got it lossless off of emule a few years ago, but it took a month for the thing to download because there were hardly any peers/seeders for it.
ended up converting it to v0 like i usually do for general listening, but forgot to archive the .flacs
oh well.
>>60806825
>implying Schoenberg's 2nd string quartet isn't one of the most emotionally devastating works of the 20th century
>>60807750
Butt is great. Just finished reading a short book he wrote about the B Minor Mass and it's fascinating stuff. Even had a chance to speak with him over summer.
>>60809095
Try some of Haydn's piano sonatas, they're pretty fun.
>>60809375
Objective fact: Chopin was the first Western composer to achieve communion with the other.
Objective fact: Chopin was the first Western composer to abandon the idea of composing a piece from the ground up, i.e. make a mindlessly derivative skeleton based on already existing idioms and mechanically fill in the blanks with whatever, and instead "transcribed" ideas from the aether as they were, as faithfully as possible. In the same way that human dreams often times consist of mundane objects and events but the dreamer is experiencing complex states of consciousness that said objects and events inexplicably symbolize, Chopin's music often times contains mundane melodies and intervals but, unlike literally all of his known predecessors, said melodies and intervals are not the point of the music. They are only symbols or markers that bridge the gap between the listener and something far greater - the other.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iexkUMZfl5A
>>60810067
How high are you right now?
>>60810213
On a scale of Bach to Scriabin I'm an early Debussy and a half.
>>60809095
Its a meme piece, but Beethoven's 14th sonata (mvmnt I) is really easy to sight read and also sounds nice
>>60810252
bretty good
>>60808401
crackles and pops sound better on adequate systems too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHc95Ve0www
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1d4N60d6Oc
>>60810067
Makes sense senpai, Chopin used opium when composing some of his nocturnes
Threadly reminder that Mozart has better string quartets and piano trios than Beethoven.
>>60812738
(not true, by the way)
Bump
Verdi's string quartet is really good.
Shame he didn't write more outside of opera, his requiem is also fantastic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ar657JKPfE
which would be more fun to perform for pop audiences?
this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZN8oJw-dsg
or this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA6oq_UYbyA
>>60812738
well duh
never understood why Beethoven's quartets ever got popular really
>>60814938
its ok
Rudolf Firkušný is GOAT
Where are my percussion ensemble bros at? Listening to Third Coast on a lonely Friday night makes life better
>>60817191
chipping in to help.
>>60815560
Pop Audiences? Like they are expecting "Classical music" or just any music period?
>>60806035
Bartok. Without a doubt.
Shosty a close second.
>>60809375
because you think homophonic bel canto-esque piano music is the best music ever.
>>60812738
Strongly disagree on the string quartet front.
>>60815560
>pop audiences
why not knock their socks off with Le Sacre?
>>60820213
>tfw Listening to Eastman Sax Project do that Very same piece as I read this.
How do those Soprano Sax players literally sound like a clarinet so perfectly.
>>60820213
Poly put your trip back on.
>>60805787
classical is shit you fucking autistic jack offs.
![Liszt-Franz-04[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/3sxTfxq.jpg "Liszt-Franz-04[1].jpg")
How do I into Liszt?
Is he just for piano autists?
>>60820826
Try his orchestrations. Those are usually a good thing to listen to.
>>60820826
yes basically. he doenst have much otherwise; his orchestral work is significant and influenced wagner, but the only other large body of works is in choral, which for what i've listened to is mostly curiosities
>>60812738
>German string quartets
>choppitychoppitychoppitychoppitychoppitychoppitychoppitychoppitychoppitychoppitychoppitychoppitychoppitychoppitychoppitychoppitychoppitychoppitychoppitychoppitychoppitychoppitychoppitychoppitychoppitychoppitychoppitychoppitychoppitychoppitychoppitychoppitychoppitychoppitychoppitychoppitychoppitychoppitychoppitychoppity
Rec me some chamber music from the romantic period.
>>60821496
Schubert
Schumann
Faure
>>60821700
>Schubert
>Romantic
Attempts to look upon Schubert as a herald of the Romantic era are not convincing; in the final count he must be placed among the Classical composers. It is true that formal grace and balance in his compositions are often sacrificed to the exuberance of his imagination, but Romanticism is not the tendency to distort or modify Classical forms, but to dispense with them; and this Schubert was incapable of doing. Except the Fourth Symphony, none of his works bears a title of his own bestowing, none carries a programme, none is labelled with extra-musical hints. On the contrary - and the point has been made - his mature work grows more conventional.
>>60821496
Brahms:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BM-6B8_Jj-o
Mendelssohn:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KVuawa1EDo
>tfw noone talks about composers born after 1960
>>60822130
What are some good composers born after 1960?
>>60822130
>tfw noone talks about composers born before 1460
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXrt5cCm7X0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJTvikwLnA8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg_3FNoo9B8
>>60822130
>composers born after 1960
>>60822464
Szymanowski's string quartet is really good. Downloading a performance by Varsovia Quartet now.
/classical/, please help me. I have this intro stuc in my head and I don't know where specifically it's from.
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1WbAXKOeGsS
I don't think it's a symphony, but I'm not sure. Sorry for shit humming and shit mic
https://youtu.be/f3IvaYECpRA
https://youtu.be/Z61Pw1Y-dvo
https://youtu.be/K6MDVyXGs1Q
https://youtu.be/LGn8qzTk3hg
>>60823142
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjfGuL8FzB4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmCnQDUSO4I
Really simple composition, yet it always manages to make me teary eyed
What is the opinion of /classical/ on Tchaikovsky?
Best conductors?
Also, any piece to recommend? I've already listened to his symphonies bar the 4th, and other meme works: violin/piano concerto no. 1, Capriccio Italien, Slav March, Swan Lake, Nutcracker, Sleeping Beauty, 1812 Overture, Eugene Onegin's overture.
Am I missing some great work? Help me getting out of plebdom.
>>60822402
Enno Poppe
>>60822402
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ9DjSi271k
>>60824087
yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QLGUDzpevI
>>60824075
4th symphony
piano trio
>>60824733
Thanks anon. Any recommended conductor for the 4th?
What do you guys think about Giacinto Scelsi?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cG-VxokvJFk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi5kbDJDZDQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFPaDZc5aAk
>>60824967
mravinsky
>>60806656
The piece has to be done by very similar timbre instruments or else it just get's too out of it. Having a wind quartet/quintet play the fugue will have an entirely less effect than if a Sax Quartet/String quartet were to play a fugue.
>>60825736
The point is having a keyboard perform it like Bach intended
>>60825978
Was going to mention that as "out of character" when you play it non-keyboard and figured this would be the go to rebuttal.
I feel you on that. Just saying that's rather purist.
>>60825496
please leave your rym memes back on rym where they belong
>>60825978
>like Bach intended
yeah 4 spaced out individual staves, the telling sign of a keyboard piece
>>60807572
Ravel is based
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=al7I97UsuYA
Also these
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZZkxLY9uqc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA_aNpgdCyE
>>60825496
he's really good.
>>60826113
>Frescobaldi's Fiori Musicale was written for a chamber group
>>60806412
Played with 2cellos once, what a bunch of clowns. It's like a slightly more serious and technically accomplished version of that violinist girl who spins around on youtube and stuff.
They put on a show. Honestly, they're good at it, so I respect them for that. I also respect that they're doing something nontraditional and opening up the field to something besides "play old shit and expect everyone to be silent for an hour"
>>60808401
These are good
>>60822130
>>60822483
>>60826113
>ignorance
Complete Works Opp 1-31 or Complete Webern?
>>60820826
>>60820843
>>60821041
>mfw Liszt underraters
Just as bad as Mozart underrating desu desu senpai baka baka
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n-GrOpTOjs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7NGZaqEK2Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMm3b4U3ggY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWN18ZoqzGs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx_Wolki0dc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnjauJquWfw
>>60827103
The latter.
>tfw listening to Russian classical in preparation for Christmas
Why Are Russian composers like Borodin, Mussorgsky, Early Stravinsky, Tchaikovsky, Prokofiev and Rimsky-Korsakov such god-tier Christmas-core?
Symphony 9 by Beethoven is the best piece of music ever desu
>>60828920
Defintely desu, along with Rachmaninov's 2nd and Tchaikovsky's 1812
What's the opinion on Rossini?
>>60829152
Meme composer
>muh looney tunes
>Muh cowboy overture
>muh barbershop lounge music
Currently obsessed with Faure's quintet in C minor, op. 115:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBoyOmasd4w
>tfw you find a perfect set of poems for setting into a song cycle but nobody has done an actually good setting yet and whilst you have good ideas for what one would look like, your ability as a composer is really shit so it's not worth attempting.
>>60822509
Szymanowski is really quite GOAT. I've yet to listen to anything by him that I don't like. Would live to sing one of his song cycles but I would have to transpose it down and can't really be bothered to do that.
>>60824075
Iolanta is ok too
Romeo and Juliet
Francesca da Rimini
The Seasons
String Sextet (pretty great actually)
>>60828869
You associate them with winter more than other composers I'd imagine.
>>60828920
Missa Solemnis is better
>>60829549
Faure's chamber music is pretty consistently great really. Nothing wrong with liking it.
>>60830061
>Francesca da Rimini
seconding this
>>60830061
what set of poems? ima steal your idea.
>>60830245
Not telling.
>>60824075
Pique Dame, String Quartets, and his All Night Vigil
>tfw listening to Butterworth's settings of a Shropshire Lad
Very sad feels
>>60831829
Literally who
Cameron memester Carpenter is coming to my uni in February. Should I go?
>>60832530
I was just trying to convince the head of concert organisation at my uni to get him over at some point since the guy is an organ autist and has pioneered weekly organ recitals here.
Go along for the memes
>>60832516
English composer at the turn of the 20th century who would probably have turned out forgettable and shit but he wrote some pretty beautiful settings of a very sorrowful set of poems and then died during WWI, so these settings are more emotional than they might have ordinarily have been
>>60831829
>>60832702
>English composers other than Bax, Tallis, and Delius
I hate Mozart. I love Scarlatti. Who else, from the classical era, should I listen to?
>>60832750
>Not including Vaughan Williams
>>60832750
>not enjoying Baines
>>60833058
>I hate Mozart
Stop being pleb and listen to more Mozart.
>>60832750
>forgetting Purcell
>>60832750
>Delius
>Tallis over Byrd or Gibbons
>Bax
Dangerously bad opinions there
>>60833058
Don't bother, it's wasted on you.
Try again with Haydn and if that doesn't work, really don't bother.
/classical/, I am a music student and no one has ever taught me the difference between Op. and No. Help out an idiot?
>that way that the final bars of 'I have trod the upward and the downward slope' use a slight variation on the opening marching melody and accompaniment
It's the simple things in VW that are the best
>>60833109
>Try again with Haydn and if that doesn't work, really don't bother.
I've tried. Pretty good but still not anywhere nearly as good as Scarlatii. Anyone else?
>>60833118
>In musical composition, the Opus number is the "work number" that is assigned to a composition, or to a set of compositions, to indicate the chronological order of the composer's production [...] To indicate the specific place of a given work within a music catalogue, the Opus number is paired with a cardinal number
Generally (it's not always terribly accurate though) composers could publish a collection of works. The Op. bit denotes which published collection the piece first appeared in, the No. further identifies where the piece features in the 'progression' of the particular set
>>60833118
Etude op.1 no.1
Etude op.1 no.2
Etude op.1 no.3
Really, that simple.
An Opus can mean both a set of pieces or a single piece.
>>60833349
I suppose if you're looking for early-classical/baroque crossover types, check out Gluck for his operas and probably CPE Bach
>>60833418
>I suppose if you're looking for early-classical/baroque crossover types
Nah, I'm looking for this strange kind of androgynous use of bass lines and weird golden, white and blue-ish timbres.
>>60833109
>implying Tallis isn't miles ahead of either of them
>implying Bax shouldn't the the post-romantic that people remember fondly rather than Rachmaninov
>implying Delius is bad
Detecting some bad opinions as well desu sempai
>>60833495
>Rachmaninov
>post-romantic
could anyone possibly be any more wrong?
Rachmaninov hated post-romanticism, and people criticized him for not trying to be a post-romantic, you moron.
>>60833592
Anyone who composed after Tristan and Parsifal in a non modernistic manner is a Post-Romantic genius
What are some essential shit-posting core compositions?
>>60834081
turkish march
>>60834081
Stockhausen's Licht cycle.
Anything poly listens to.
>>60827204
Objective fact: movement I of mephisto waltz is the greatest piano composition of any century
>>60834093
>>60834159
More, I need a composition that would make an Aussie bow in awe of the shitposting glory
>>60834211
>not the last movement
>>60827103
Neither, grab Dohnanyi's set
>>60833495
>Tallis
>miles ahead of Byrd and Gibbons
wew lad
>>60834215
Sonata erotica
Those meme pieces for cactus and vacuum cleaner and shit
Probably Rachmaninoff's stuff if you want to shitpost in /classical/
This meme organ piece I have heard of which requires the final notes to be played with an erect penis. The final two pages are written for one hand.
Probably some Ligeti, who excelled at funny shitcomposing too
>>60833058
>I hate Mozart
A piece I'm writing starts as Theme and Variations, but sort of progressively becomes a Fantasia. Over time the variations start diverge from the theme's structure, and the last 'variation' is more of a development section than anything else. What do I call it?
>>60835238
Add a coda and call it a rhapsody.
>>60834686
>Those meme pieces for cactus and vacuum cleaner and shit
>which requires the final notes to be played with an erect penis.
>>60832750
Why the fuck does /classical/ underrate Vaughan Williams
>>60834081
Everyone of Shotys Symphonies and New Complexity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-0Gng_wmNA
>>60835828
Because mainstream overrates him
>>60835955
>>60835828
And Shosti 4,13-15 aren't really shitposting.
>>60835238
When will you post it?
>>60836076
Well, it is starting to look like I won't be able to perform it in concert, so if /classical/ doesn't mind a theme-and-variations/fantasia/rhapsody on We Three Kings, maybe in a week or two.
Schubert is overrated.
>>60836250
fuck you you ball-slurping prick
Can we please stop using "overrated" and "underrated"? They are meaningless terms.
>>60836536
fptmiu
Just now beginning to appreciate classical music
Yesterday I listened to the Tristan und Isolde prelude for the first time and almost started sobbing
One of the most beautiful pieces of art I have ever seen
>>60836677
Very nice start!
>>60836677
Listen to Mozart.
>>60837098
Where do I start?
>>60837283
anywhere. moxarts music is free of any flaws
>>60837283
Depends on what would you like to listen to? Orchestral or solo instrument?
>>60837283
His piano concertos.
Grab recordings with Annie or Edwin Fischer, , Haskil, Richter, Moravec, or Staier.
>monkfriend isn't posting
Man i cant hear half the shit going on in this without having to max out the volume
Is there an actual GOOD recording of schonbrgs quartets???
What would be the classical equivalent to Nickelback?
>>60838858
Mozart.
>>60829152
>rotini
>>60838858
Max Richter
>>60838255
>>60826898
Art of fugue is on 4 staves.
>why? so you can see the voices clearly
Whats the clearest way to hear all 4 voices at once?
>play them on 4 different instruments, slightly spaced apart.
Mozart and Haydn knew this. They spent many a Sunday studying Bach fugues and hearing them performed by a string quartet.
>so they could hear each part clearly
The individuality of the parts suffer when played by a single person. Unless the keyboardist is of an extremely high quality and has dedicated years to the piece, the music can lose clarity or momentum.
Record this piece with 4 different pianists on 4 different pianos and we'll talk.
>>60839687
Poly put your trip back on.
Schnittke string quartet.
>>60833058
Good taste.
Rameau:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK3-URQntcg
Couperin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHF6GkfqWPY
Pergolesi:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mrVZHPikqM
Frescobaldi:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R24hEh5c5g
>>60838858
Philip Glass
>>60839836
>I hate Mozart
>Good taste.
>>60839747
no. 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36fPvCBYXL8
>>60839836
Clown without jest put your trip back on.
Hating Mozart because he is the most popular composer is like hating pizza because it's the most popular food.
>>60839866
>>60840173
Where to start with le underrated man of western music
>>60840279
literally anywhere but i recommend piano concerto 17
>>60840279
His requiem. It's a bit of a meme piece but it's pretty easy to get into.
>>60840173
We dont hate him because he's popular, his music just doesn't appeal to us. kind of like nickelback. Who gives a shit if they're popular?
>>60840279
Piano Concertos #9, #10, #17, #22, #23, #25
Symphonies #25, #29, #40, and #41
Piano Quartet #1
>>60825978
He wanted it to sound like a conversation. A string quartet totally works IMO
>>60840709
Fair enough. I guess it was just an assumption. Since it's /mu/ and all...
>>60840709
>his music just doesn't appeal to us
That is a sign of bad taste.
>>60840173
but there is bad pizza out there, and then there is award winning pizza...
>>60841743
Mozart would be the best pizza.
curious tho. What is your opinion on Nietzsche as a composer?
>>60842064
pretty shit tbqf.
>>60838255
>Man i cant hear half the shit going on in this without having to max out the volume
i think you're deaf anon
>>60842103
Why? He is about as good as a lot of household names.
>>60840709
But why do we care about patently ignorant people sucdh as yourself?
Where is art music going now? I have not heard anything fundamentally new -that is to say which is also inherently musical- composed within the last decade or so. Have we hit a brick wall?
>>60842177
no, like the mixing is very low
>>60836677
You should just kill yourself because you are the kind of person who talks about "seeing" music
>>60842319
its mixing with other genres, popular music, and experimenting with acoustics
>>60842516
its not that low, if anything it just has a wider dynamic range
>>60842592
That is pathetic and I hope it explains the benighted state of musical academia than the genuine end of discernible novelty in composition
>>60842611
most of my music sounds pretty damn loud with my speakers at 40%, this is like mid volume at that point. I always question what goes on with the production of classical music, what the fuck are they doing in the studios? Or do they even do studio recordings?
>>60842657
oh also forgot to add new complexity, spectralism
>>60842660
i dunno, maybe you've just downloaded a lot of music where the volume is cut rather high. cause >>60842611 seems rather normal to me.
>what the fuck are they doing in the studios? Or do they even do studio recordings?
yeah, they do plenty of studio recordings, though more and more they are leaning towards "live" recordings from concerts--sometimes even editing in the "best" of all the concerts they had done that month for a composition or something.
i think its probably more inexpensive for them to just record from concerts these days.
>>60842786
>downloaded a lot of music where the volume is cut rather high
i dont understand, me downloading affects my music?
>i think its probably more inexpensive for them to just record from concerts these days.
fucking cheap cunts
>>60841743
But bad pizza is still pizza.
>>60842830
>me downloading affects my music?
no, but depending on whoever worked on the recording you may have downloaded, the mastering/dynamic compression can be pretty different. things that sound "loud" on one recording might have been just dynamically compressed and normalized.
it's a practice that is sometimes frowned upon, because it isn't always an accurate depiction of the actual dynamics that occured when they originally recorded it (before the compression and normalization). it's not always a bad thing though, but this is why some labels like BIS sometimes put on their recordings "Full Dynamic Range" or something as a bragging right since they probably didn't apply very much compression--or any at all. so the loud parts sound very loud, and the quiet parts sound very quiet.
>fucking cheap cunts
some performers may just prefer the live recording process though. many performers of the 20th century loathed the studio recording process, like Richter for example. others used the studio process to such an excess degree that many of their recordings came across as tepid, dry, and artificial in comparison to their live recordings, like Karajan.
>>60842944
yeah, would you it eat it then?
im saying its not a good comparison
>>60843059
Yeah I would. It is a good comparison because pizza is probably the most popular food, and that is because it is fucking delicious. Mozart is the most popular composer who is also fucking delicious. Mozart at his worst is still pretty good, just like pizza.
>>60842319
Its going in a variety of directions, individual to each composer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WZaVeYqVmY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH_yqISYru4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DJUN2M3D-E
Many seem to be going for acoustic instruments combined with live electronics, even though Ferneyhough et al. were doing that in the 70s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDdZ-lfKxj8
>>60843356
Put your trip back on poly
>Wagner
>Beethoven
>Bruckner
Was there a more patrician leader?
when you guys find a new artist, do you get lazy and ask for recs from here? or do you explore yourself?
>>60843875
According to a passage from The Ladder of the Beatitudes (by Jim Forest), Stalin’s favourite musician was pianist Maria Yudina, who he liked so much that he insisted on a record of her performing Mozart’s Piano Concerto No. 23, which he’d heard performed live on the radio. Unfortunately for them, they hadn’t made a recording. But because Stalin insisted on a physical copy, she and an orchestra submitted, but not without being sure that if they didn’t, they’d probably all be killed.
Stalin used to stay up very late listening to opera. Hitler probably went to be early with a glass of warm milk.
Hi /classical/
/noise/ and /metal/ fag here. i stumbled across Chopin the other day, I love his stuff. Rec other moody composers? any advice about getting into classical? I am new here.
Also, is this thread ironic or naw.
>>60844533
we actually like classical music.
For most of us /classical/ is the only thread on /mu/ we browse, and the whole idea of liking something ironically just doesn't make sense.
Try some of these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GGx8TRWFVA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF1OQkHybEQ
>>60844572
>Mozart
>Moody
what? post a single moody mozart piece that isn't the requiem or the Don Giovanni overture.
>>60844631
>For most of us /classical/ is the only thread on /mu/ we browse
I really want to deny this but holy shit it's true.
>>60844645
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmEJr1m8EdM
>>60833058
>Scarlatti
>Who else from the classical era
Hate to break it to you, but Scarlatti is as baroque as it gets.
Also stop hating mozart.
>>60844631
>For most of us /classical/ is the only thread on /mu/ we browse
Just came back to this board after a long hiatus of only going to /his/ and /an/.
I think this might be the last worthwhile thread after /mu/ was destroyed by Aussie extraordinaire Aaron Ellis and the great pitchfork cluckposting parade, my last memories with this shithole.
This place seems to get stronger as mainstream /mu/ gets weaker.
>>60844682
>In a major key
>upbeat homophonic tunes
>Occasional minor outburst
>He thinks this is moody
you must have the emotions of cardboard box
>>60844272
Mark Reizen was another untouchable for Stalin.
>>60844645
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ITyBT-lK-c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMW1JDPJb1s
>>60844682
>K. 332
did you forget about mozart's minor works or something?
>>60844631
Put your trip back on Poly
>>60830061
>Romeo and Juliet
I don't think there is a piece I despise more than this one. Every time the chorus starts to come around (AGAIN) I want to stab my ears out.
>>60844751
This place has gotten a bit weaker with taxes not shitposting as much.
Idk, I kinda want to participate in other threads. How's /daily/?
>>60833371
If only it were that simple. Do a study of the Op numbers for Beethoven's String Quartets. It could be a book (or a chapter) in itself.
>>60845034
>This place has gotten a bit weaker with taxes not shitposting as much.
Along with Poly stealth shitposting
>>60844851
>String quartet No.3
2 minutes in and he's already back in a major key and doing a quaint little major cadence.
He just can't help himself can he? Its like the minor chords are just a disguise he wears to seem cool, but underneath he's a child who loves cake and parties, and who has no real strong convictions
>>60845186
>quartet
>>60845215
burn
>>60845186
Have you ever had anything substantial affect you ever? Moodiness is exactly what it sounds like; a serious of different moods interchanging and affecting one another constantly. It isn't just one static mood. You're extremely happy one moment, sad the next, melancholic the next, nostalgic the next, etc. etc.
If anything that piece conveys "moodiness" far better than most pieces simply because it captures that inconsistency so often seen in that state of mind.
>>60845319
Maybe if you're bipolar, most people experience moods in longer cycles. Mozart could well have been manic bipolar. Certainly was ADHD and possibly autistic.
>>60846096
http://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/moodiness
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/moodiness
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/moodiness
>>60846137
When someone says moody, they usually mean dark and brooding.
Shostakovich string quartets would be a good example. Schnittke as well is able to maintain a feeling of gloom and moodiness throughout a piece without resorting to a major cadence (or even a major chord)
This for example is prime moody music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfsQX6BF5J0
>>60846232
>When someone says moody, they usually mean dark and brooding.
If they own a fedora maybe.
>>60846293
Got him!
>>60846232
>Whenever one is confronted by a shitty opinion or general stupidity, they tell Poly to put his trip back on (assuming it's him) because he is is a clown without jest and is a master shitposter. This is helpful to newcomers because deters them from listen to the bad opinions and meme pieces Poly posts.
>>60846232
>When someone says moody, they usually mean dark and brooding.
You mean when YOU say "moody", YOU usually mean dark and brooding. Let's not pretend as if you have the consensus of a large body of people by invoking the third person.
>Shostakovich string quartets would be a good example. Schnittke as well is able to maintain a feeling of gloom and moodiness throughout a piece without resorting to a major cadence (or even a major chord)
Yes, yes. I know. I've heard all of their music and I particularly have an adoration for Shostakovich's string quartets. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a Mozartian interpretation of moodiness though. You are acting as if this particular mindset can only adhere to one set of definition, and it just so happens that I relate with Mozart's quite a bit. I can relate with Shostakovich's and Schnittke's too, but there is such a thing as moodiness that isn't completely brow beaten and edgy.
Iannis Xenakis - Tetras
>>60846368
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3_d1ijMYE0
>>60842210
Yes, and a lot of household names are pretty shit as well.
>>60846293
>>60846350
>>60846362
>all this butthurt that Mozart isn't moody
wow I'm impressed
>I'm so sad guys, honest!
>Perfect major cadence
>lol I'm so randum!
>>60847460
What a nice reddit-tier argument.
>>60847460
Mozart was a victim of his time. If he were alive during the romantic period, we wouldn't even remember any of the shitters like Brahms, Beethoven, Wagner, or Lizst or any other 'composer'. The classical period was a time of restriction and Mozart created the most beautiful music possible within that boring box. Given the freedom of romanticism, Mozart would have been without doubt the only composer worth remembering.
It's a real shame. But, I guess we should thank the innovators. Without them, we can't have great composers to perfect the art of each period.
>>60843875
Just finished reading the Rest is Noise and there's quite a lot of interesting stuff about Hitler and music. It does seem like he really wanted everyone to appreciate it just as much as he did.
>>60847748
in some ways.
in a lot other ways he was pretty harmful to music
Is there a scarier bass than Kurt Moll? It's almost inhuman, what a beast. Just compare these 2 statues, the difference is massive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK1_vm0FMAU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cb1QmTkOAI
Can /classical/ reccomend any other bass porn? Singers, pieces, operas where the bass is a fucking sexy beast?
>To take only one example, how the C minor Symphony has been tampered with! Already the gigantic opening has brought into being a whole crowd of readings, notably that according to which the first five bars [(with the two fermate)] are to be taken quite slowly. Even the "spirit of Beethoven" was cited to justify this misguided attempt at emendation, for which, however, not Beethoven's spirit but that of his first biographer, Schindler, is entirely responsible. Schindler, the key to whose character, I think, is sufficiently given by the fact that after the master's death he had visiting cards printed with the title "Ami de Beethoven," has told in his biography so many anecdotes whose untruth has been proved by Thayer, that we may unhesitatingly reckon among them the story that Beethoven wanted the opening of the C minor symphony to be taken andante, and the faster tempo to come only after the second fermata. Is there even a moderately satisfactory explanation why Beethoven, instead of specifying so extremely important a change of tempo, should have marked the passage allegro con brio when what he wanted was andante? Liszt's opinion on the point will be of interest. In the previously-mentioned concert of the Meiningen orchestra in Eisenach, where I made Bulow's personal acquaintance - he took the opening of the C minor symphony, that time at least, in a brisk allegro - Liszt told me that the "ignorant" and furthermore "mischievous fellow" Schindler turned up one fine day at Mendelssohn's, and tried to stuff him that Beethoven wished the opening to be andante - pom, pom, pom, pom. "Mendelssohn, who was usually so amiable," said Liszt laughingly, "got so enraged that he threw Schindler out - pom, pom, pom, POM !"
>tfw you will never banter with Liszt about interpretations of Beethoven symphonies
>>60847765
Kurt Böhme, Emanuel List (surely the blackest bass), Ludwig Weber (great acting/diction), Josef Griendl
but man, Weber as Hagen is one of the best. fierce as fuck.
>>60833476
anybody? fucking /classical/ will tell me to listen to CPE Bach and Haydn when I ask for someone like Scarlatti. Jesus fucking christ.
Is it worth understanding /classical/ music more intellectually? I listen to stuff that makes me feel good and that I like, but I don't think I 'understand' any of it, like why it's good.
Should I make the effort to understand music? I know basic theory and have been learning an instrument for a couple of years. If so, where would I start with understanding the music I listen to?
>>60850278
Listen to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rb355Hcsv4
And try to imagine how fucking difficult it was to make all the different melodic lines sound good, how a slight change in tempo would destroy the whole counterpoint.
>>60847460
>i'm so not shit guys, honest!
>goes on a 3 minute rant consisting of random crap for the sole purpose of having a completely shit reprise that's just absentmindedly defecated at the end of said pointless passage
>lol I'm so concerned with the non-tonal aspects of music!111
>>60847801
>Schindler turned up one fine day at Mendelssohn's, and tried to stuff him
another bump
>every thread
>>60847318
>>60847460
>Mozart underraters shitposting
To be expected.
>>60853823
>Poly shitposting "anonymously"
FTFY
