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I've listened to Scriabin sonatas and I really liked them can someone recommend me some other Scriabin.
>>60544559
Early Debussy is another Scriabin.
Can you help me? I'm looking for a good version of Le tombeau de Couperin. In particular, I want to find it performed on harpsichord. It seems fitting that it would be, but I haven't been able to find anything.
Just listened live to the prelude to Act 1 of Palestrina (the opera by Pfitzer). The other thing they played before the intermission was the Glass 1st Violin Concerto, which was good, but I honestly can't wait to get home and watch the actual opera.
Recommended recordings?
>classical
>good
>>60545318
Pick both.
>>60545318
What do you listen to anon?
>>60544549
>implying robots can die
>>60545459
Radiohead
Autechre
Father John Misty
GYBE
Lil Ugly Mane
the list goes on desu
all way better than classical which is just music for old smug people
>>60545713
>Radiohead
>>60545730
>choosing Radiohead as the most fedora out of the list
>Not Autechre, or GYBE
>>60545772
>tfw Bruckner Symphony 8 scherzo
>>60545713
>Woah, this chart is like, pretty cool
>I'm not sure what "essential /mu/core" and "memerap" mean but I don't think I'm ever going to listen to anything else!
>Man, what an epic website XD
>I think I'll officially make it my second fav website ever, behind reddit of course :)
>>60545730
Classical music is way more fedora than rock music though
>>60546039
there is literally nothing wrong with /mu/core
>>60546220
>musical tradition with roots in the church
>fedora
>>60546220
Yeah I fucking love /mu/core but when you try to act superior to people who listen to classical styles of music (who are obviously superior to you) because you like Radiohead, lil ugly mane and GYBE you sound like a retard.
Honestly if you want to sound superior to people, just choose some random bands that nobody has ever heard of, most people will just assume you're a patrician even if you're just posting some shitty Hungarian band that you've never heard before.
>>60545177
What up Dallas senpai
>>60546220
Rock music has a lot more of the angsty edgy shit teens like, so wouldn't that be more fedora?
https://www.klassik.tv/videos/rheingold-valencia-sanft-schloss-schlaf-dein-aug-05/
lol wtf
>>60546330
how are people who listen to classical superior?
they may be superior in the act of sucking dongs I guess
Lil Ugly Mane is pretty damn underground I'd say so I'm pretty patrician desu baka senpai
>>60547319
>they may be superior in the act of sucking dongs I guess
/classical/ thread are better and funnier than most other threads but this is also true.
>>60547319
Because they're actual patricians who understand tasteful music whereas all you understand are memes and shit music.
>>60547375
Also I miss making these.
>>60547481
>le art music is superior to popular music meme
what you call "shit" or "meme" happens to be the most critically acclaimed music
while nobody cares about your obscure medieval choral music because it's literal trash
>>60546472
I really liked their interpretation of the Planets. It was a really interesting artistic choice to end the choir fade-out with a cough.
>>60547640
>MUH CRITICAL ACCLAIM
>MUH POPULARITY
>>60547564
>tfw my Enescu shilling is there
Why is this general so fucking slow.
>>60548757
such is life
>>60548757
All the tripfags are busy, no Wagneranon in sight.
>>60548898
nah, there's just nothing to post about atm.
someone asked where the Krauss set was last thread, there's a huge repository of historical Wagner here:
http://page92.ctfile.com/u/995592/1469916
but the download speeds are piss, so it will take awhile.
>>60545318
Thanks for helping to invigorate the thread, falseflag-anon.
Hey do you guys like that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqLXKrT391k
I loved it from the very beginning
how GOAT can one man get ?
>>60547564
Anyone have the fullsize watchmen picture please
>>60549304
>I don’t think he was really amongst the great conductors, for his miserable mien had cost him a few jobs; he had a big chip on his shoulder which also, I think, affected his conducting. That having been said, though, he was a good conductor, especially in Richard Strauss and in some of the German epics he obtained good results, but which could have been better if he had given a proper beat to the orchestra – his baton moved only an inch or so. I don’t think it had anything to do with conducting technique, I think it was just cussedness. Maybe he thought it would keep the orchestra on its toes, but it had the opposite effect; I noticed an occasional raggedness for which he should be blamed. He really was his own worst enemy because with the attitude he possessed he rarely obtained scintillating performances.
>>60549619
>dat frustrated band member
reiner's recorded work speaks for itself.
I really really like the Scheherezade.
Please tell me why my taste is entry-level.
>>60550010
CLT likes it too
>>60550010
ravel or korsakov?
>>60545713
>all way better than classical
hahahahaahahhaah
you might grow up one day. Your list is literal teenage core. not even good taste for a teenager. Just /mu/ drone shite.
stick around kiddo, you might realize everything you listen to is shit.
>>60551275
rimsky korsakov obvs
Shit, shit, shit, bumping
Bumping with some sheet music.
Bumping with a fugue I wrote.
https://clyp.it/wdt4mjan
I posted an unfinished version before, and Poly advised that I scrap it because the subject was uninteresting. I won't deny that, but I had written too much of it by that point to not complete it.
>>60554090
>taking poly's advice on anything
>>60554090
>https://clyp.it/wdt4mjan
why cant *anyone* on this general afford an actual sound library
holy moly man im like 12 and even i have the cheapo VSL value pack
>>60554090
>and Poly advised that I scrap it because the subject was uninteresting
Everyone advises Poly to do the same thing on his works and he doesn't listen
Guys, what are some great performances that you recommend to watch on Youtube?
I never actually sat down and watched a symphony, and want to see the work that goes into it.
Preferably symphonic.
>>60554342
I'm going to have this actually performed, live (albeit with a clarinetist instead of a soprano because the singer realized she couldn't do it). I don't really need to make the sound file as good as possible.
>>60554547
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOvXhyldUko
>>60554417
Usually people just say "your fugues are shit" without really specifying why. No one has ever told me to scrap a subject and start again.
>>60554547
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTt3BLGfBbg
>>60555630
Scrap all your music and start again (or better yet don't start again)
>>60555681
I start again every time I start a new piece. nothing like starting a new fugue, the clarity of the exposition is fun to plan out. Currently working on pentatonic one.
>>60555681
This,
>>60554547
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXh5JprKqiU
really would like to own the DVD one day, god tier nippon sound
>>60544442
Do any of you faggots have anything similar to this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIsl6VMPwTw
I really like this Ghibli-esque whimsical orchestra.
>>60555953
>stand drops
And he doesn't give two fucks, based Tennstedt
>>60547564
>tfw /classical/ will never be this good again
>>60557605
Tbh it's the same shit, just less memeing and more ded. I think most of the trips are busy with classes.
A L K A N
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79ZNMQ4neJM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3XKeqy8xd4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPoXa9qJPvI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6OQpkOUijE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2YE4T0FdhY
Who is the most handsome composer to ever live?
>>60559179
Scriabin ofc
>>60545713
I mean those are nice musics that you like, but if you think they are better than even the most basic Schubert or Chopin, then u are a lil bit deluded
>>60550010
It's good, but it gets played enough to make people sick of it.
>>60559196
>>60559326
I was gonna say Brahms, but holy shit, he doesn't even compare to Scriabin's stache
is scriabin, dare I say it, a meme composer?
>>60559384
define "meme composer"
is he "an element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means." composer?
>>60559404
i mean that mentioning him here seems to grow exponentially
>tfw Vivaldi's complete sacred works get recorded several times while Lotti's Vesper Psalms languish in obscurity
>>60559524
>implying anything other than his crucifixus a 8 gets performed or recorded ever
You guys probably get this all the time, but I've always wondered. Does "modern" classical music exist? Anyone good that's still alive? Does it even sound different?
>>60560645
Arvo Part, Lachenmnann, Ferneyhough, Trisan Murail, Lera Auerbach, Rautavaara, etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzSlmWQuHFw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7Gzrake8nI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrymva3SHCo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFncet5VHRs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rjf9USjtaM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFIGoB7rK70
Re-listening to Mendelssohn's Elijah
pt 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlY8WQ5vLeY
pt 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf8IOw9NXGw
A bit of a time investment but I think it's fantastic.
>>60560745
I may be a pleb but you can't just smack around an instrument and pretend it's music. It's interesting, but not worth listening to a second time.
>>60560973
You can if you're Poly.
>>60553164
fuck etudes
is this the best pop tribute to the sounds of renaissance music?
>>60544442
right on man, Bernie 2016!!
>>60554090
The subject is pretty shit, other than that its ok
>tfw you will never kick about with young Boulez being little shits together
>One day in 1946, Peyser tells us, Boulez brought in the manuscript of his First Piano Sonata, which he wished to dedicate to [Leibowitz]. When Leibowitz set about noting various procedural errors, Boulez threw a tantrum, shouted "Vous êtes merde!" and ran from the room. Later, while preparing the sonata for publication, Boulez saw Leibowitz's name at the top of the first page and stabbed it repeatedly with a letter opener.
what does /classical/ think of vocaloid classical?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRmgiU8BxvA
>>60563421
>tfw Leibowitz's orchestrations will never be recorded/reissued
>>60563421
I kind of feel bad for him. On the other hand, that is quite an overreaction.
>>60558261
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>>60559179
>>60564006
>Weber
Beethovenian, p-put you're trip back on
Am I pleb if Čiurlionis is one of my top 10 composers?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgZjpTiqK-U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzEH7xrmflg
>>60559179
>>60564006
It's so beautiful.
>>60564049
Weber isn't that obscure though
>>60564291
its not about obscurity
https://rbt.asia/mu/?task=search2&ghost=yes&search_text=weber&search_subject=&search_username=Beethovian+++&search_tripcode=&search_email=&search_filename=&search_datefrom=&search_dateto=&search_media_hash=&search_op=all&search_del=dontcare&search_int=dontcare&search_ord=new&search_res=post
What is the most sensual music of all time?
>>60565146
Poem of Ecstasy
>>60565146
Probably something by Symanowski. His music is basically sex in musical form
Have been learning to play piano this past year.
Pls advise something not very long to learn.
Preferably impressionist/modernist, but really, anything nice and (if possible) small will do, since I've started actually playing, I began to appreciate all classical music
>>60560645
Wuorinen
Saariaho
Gubaidulina
Maxwell Davies
Salonen
Aho
>>60559179
Fauré the cutest
What do you guys think of Hans Hotter on the Solti recording of Walküre? Heard some people say they think he's past his prime there, and I guess I can agree.
>>60566697
very much past his prime, very sloppy diction and pretty wobbly. still, good acting and charisma, but you can hear that better in his 50s recordings. his diction was never top tier though.
i dont think being past your prime necessarily invalidates the performance. lorenz has a few recordings that he made in the 50s where he is less secure than he was in 40s, but they're still some of my favorite.
There are actually people who put themselves through multiple performances of Wagner in their lifetime? Even late Wagner? At most I think you could tolerate a Bayreuth or similar escapism once or twice but you can't be healthy if you're doing it any more than that, it's like sitting in a truck 8+ hours daily. Or having fried foods every meal. How?
Wagner is for the sick.
>>60567666
your autism level is weak
>>60567666
>satan trips
Anyway, how's it unhealthy? I can see why eating fried foods every meal would be unhealthy, of course, but this is music.
>>60544442
trying to start getting into classical and all of this is a little overwhelming......
what are some good ones to start with out of all of these?
thanks
>>60567837
Being this obtuse is what kept people from recognising that mental health was even a thing. Health isn't limited to the basics of survival, look at anything which correlates with virtue.
>>60567911
To be frank, try out as much as possible, quickly if need be. In my experience it's really difficult to recommend specifics when even an individual themselves rarely knows what would be accessible to them. Of course the meme is to start with Mozart just because he's so central and a master, wouldn't hurt to try any famous pieces by him.
>>60568151
>Health isn't limited to the basics of survival, look at anything which correlates with virtue.
Well, that's obvious. But why would enjoying specifically Wagner be unhealthy?
>>60568237
There's no discernible bel canto.
>>60568554
>bel memeo
I've been obsessed with L'orfeo recently. Anything similar?
>>60547564
>that CLT comedian costume
He wears that a little too well
>>60547564
When I was out running today I was thinking about CLT and I thought it's funny how probably so many different people from different countries randomly do the same, even if in dreams.
How is he doing? Has he been the one posting "deprogramming" stuff everywhere on /lit/ and /his/? an OP always posts about Jared Diamond or the Bell Curve, genetic intelligence etc and lays the smackdown on everyone in a way similar to what CLT used to do here. And I did hear that he became very political after going anonymous. Is he doing well?
>>60569115
lol
>>60565876
Janacek
Alright, I am pretty well-listened in classical music, but apart from once having a stream of Gotterdamerung on in the background, I have never listened to a full Wagner work.
I've been reading lots of books about classical music recently, and Wagner has come up a lot. I'm quite interested in listening to Parsifal based on what I've read, but if people think there is 'better' Wagner to start with, I'll go with that.
So where to go
>>60569115
hello CLT
>>60569972
If you want to listen to Parsifal get pic or Kegel.
Listen to Tristan und Isolde too, I like Bohm but Wagneranon probably knows better recordings.
>>60570312
bohm is a pretty good starter, i would agree.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zgr7ndNukov
I fucking love music that makes me feel sad.
>>60570382
What's your favorite Tristan?
I only have Bohm, C. Kleiber (Staatskapelle), and Reiner.
>>60570482
Beecham's has my favorite conducting. truly inspired. literally a fucking tragedy he didn't record Wagner more (his Gotterdammerung Selections are fucking great too). It also has Melchior and Flagstad for the lead roles.
Heger though is in better sound, features GOAT Heldentenor Max Lorenz in his prime, and Buchner as Isolde who does a better job acting than Flagstad. Heger isn't as good as Beecham but he's still quite good regardless. seriously though. Lorenz's complete delirium in Act III has to be one of the best things i've heard on a recording.
>>60570561
also all live kleiber is very well conducted.
and of course there is the ear blistering sabata if you have the stomach for it.
Hey classicalfags
I have a question for you
Teenager near you says that rap is music
What do you do?
>>60571028
Ignore him while >>60570454 plays in my head.
>>60560973
>It's interesting,
exactly.
>>60568922
Gluck's Orfeo ed Euridice
>>60571028
Agree with him (because rap is technically music) and show him some quality rap and hip hop.
>>60564089
Very nice. not familiar with him. Beautiful orchestration.
>>60545177
Okay, let me rephrase this.
Are there any video recordings of Palestrina, the opera, on the internet? I can make do with just audio, but I'd prefer video.
>>60571791
http://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4730475
>>60571870
>13 peers, no seeds
Well, now I know there's a video available to buy.
>>60572177
yeah, at least you have a video.
Oedipe video production never ever
Rite of Spring live tonight
Fuck yeah.
They're also playing the Walton Cello concerto, and lark ascending for some reason...
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0xxq4eItUjd
Shitty. Anybody know why it takes me so long to get a piece right? This isn't even presentable.
>>60573301
Not enough metronome/practice. You're probably not practicing efficiently, maybe speeding it up too early before its perfect? I don't know, I'm shit at practice as well. It's also possible you don't have enough technical practice under your belt. I think practicing little techniques like trills and shit would really help make the whole playing of it easier.
Or maybe play some non-pleb period music 8^)
>>60559179
>>60560973
If you're saying that about the Rautavaara concerto, I HATE you.
If you're saying it about the New Complexity, nevermind.
>>60565146
Schulhoff - Sonata Erotica
>>60574134
he means the Lachenmann piece
>>60565146
Debussy's Prélude à l'après-midi d'un faune
>>60547061
No wonder new homes are so expensive!
>>60555679
Nice, but not classical.
>>60575089
The 'Vier Letze Lieder' aren't classical? Unless you mean by musical era sure, but they definitely count as art music.
No death allowed
>>60547061
where the fuck were they going with this production
Hey /classical/, I just wanted to thank you guys for being the best source for classical music on the board, if not the internet.
>>60545713
>mfw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_KYb-e9jqI
>all of these superior archive sources never released
>>60578036
seth winner is awesome
>>60578036
>>60579303
>all this shit talking about Toscanini recording quality
this is a great lecture.
it's nice hearing him talk about issues that i've so often run into while trying to touch up audio as well. that low frequency "thumping" and "clicking" is pretty common on Mengelberg recordings unfortunately
>>60577397
I have no fucking idea.
>>60547061
This is fucking retarded
>old recordings
/classical/ music that is good for breakups?
Going to a concert tonight of:
>Marriage of Figaro overture
>Una piccola musica notturna by Dallapiccola
>Nielsen's Flute Concerto
>Beethoven 5
It's nice because by the usual standards of what student orchestras play around here, it features stuff that isn't the usual late-romantic fare. Looking forward to the Nielsen particularly, since it's probably my favourite of his compositions.
>>60581697
Truly the greatest of memes (aside from dub-checking composers of course)
>>60555679
>it's not Schwarzkopf
>>60581858
What sort of break-up are we talking about? And what sort of music are you looking for?
>>60581926
>>it's not Schwarzkopf
>there's only one worthy recording of 4 letzte lieder
how pathetic can you get ?
>>60581926
>What sort of break-up are we talking about? And what sort of music are you looking for?
I haven't cried for years, and I've just been bottling it up. This shit didn't even make me sob even though I loved her. I'm desperate.
Make me cry, please.
>>60544442
Is that Bernie Sanders?
>>60582078
Mozart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf711o8jAQA
>>60582062
He asked for great performances, why wouldn't you post the finest performer of the four last songs?
They are very difficult songs to do well though.
Classical dummy here. Do you have any tips to help remember themes and keep them in mind without having to play the first parts of a piece over and over again? or will it come more naturally to me as a listen to more classical music?
>>60582698
If a theme isn't memorable that's the composer's (or the Germans') problem, not yours. Otherwise, it will come naturally.
>>60582730
>If a theme isn't memorable that's the composer's (or the Germans') problem, not yours
Me being a pleb is certainly a problem. Or else literally every composer ever is at fault.
>>60582758
Hence why there were two sentences in that post. You should never forget the first part though, especially if doing so would make you lose motivation to seek out this music.
>literally every composer ever
I doubt you've tried even a fraction of the diversity on offer within classical music.
>>60582484
lucia popp or soile isokoski for me.
>>60545713
>>60547640
>>60547319
>>60546220
>trying to troll people expecting them to understand that this is obvious b8
>everybody continues swallowing the bait
what the hell guys
was kai warner the best wagner conductor ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1CVTUHWcQs
>>60583974
sugoi
What's a good set for Mozart's Symphonies?
>>60585477
the objective GOAT right here
>In his performances of Handel, Beecham ignored what he called the "professors, pedants, pedagogues".[111] He followed Mendelssohn and Mozart in editing and reorchestrating Handel's scores to suit contemporary tastes.
HIP POSTERS
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I'm surprised CLT didn't meme Beecham
>For Beecham, Mozart was "the central point of European music,"[117] and he treated the composer's scores with more deference than he gave most others. He edited the incomplete Requiem, made English translations of at least two of the great operas, and introduced Covent Garden audiences who had rarely if ever heard them to Così fan tutte, Der Schauspieldirektor and Die Entführung aus dem Serail; he also regularly programmed The Magic Flute, Don Giovanni and The Marriage of Figaro.[118][n 9] He considered the best of Mozart's piano concertos to be "the most beautiful compositions of their kind in the world", and he played them many times with Betty Humby-Beecham and others.[124]
>Beecham's attitude towards 19th-century German repertoire was equivocal. He frequently disparaged Beethoven, Wagner and others, but regularly conducted their works, often with great success.[125] He observed, "Wagner, though a tremendous genius, gorged music like a German who overeats. And Bruckner was a hobbledehoy who had no style at all ... Even Beethoven thumped the tub; the Ninth symphony was composed by a kind of Mr. Gladstone of music."[125] Despite his criticisms, Beecham conducted all the Beethoven symphonies during his career, and he made studio recordings of Nos. 2, 3, 4, 6, 7 and 8, and live recordings of No. 9 and Missa Solemnis.[126] He conducted the Fourth Piano Concerto with pleasure (recording it with Arthur Rubinstein and the LPO) but avoided the Emperor Concerto when possible.[127]
>>60585675
him and Strauss had a Mozart bromance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dnn9npQZPk
Beecham "lecturing" on Mozart.
>>60585728
>uh-Mah-de-us
what a strange pronunciation
now I can use it and look like a douche
>>60585816
probably just beecham being a ham as usual.
>Thomas Beecham had been avoiding Karajan in London for quite a while. But at one point Karajan was entering an elevator that Sir Thomas and his agent were in and Beecham's agent took advantage of the opportunity to introduce him to Karajan, "Sir Thomas I'd like to introduce you to Maestro von Karajan."
Without so much as a blink Beecham walked over to the elevator operator, shook his hand and said, "so nice to meet you!"
>>60586332
>oldtimer feeling so threatened by das wunder karajan he doesn't even acknowledge him
i love it.
>>60586645
i think it was less about his conducting and more about a personal grudge in regards to the fact that he had joined the nazi party to further his career.
>>60585675
CLT was not an old recording memer
>>60585728
>unbearable forced humour and old man's grave drawl
dropped.
>>60587439
dont worry i caught it
>>60587467
HAHAHAHA LOL
>>60587553
are you ok
Do you guys know what group is doing Messiaen's quatuor here? Is he playing himself?
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1Aici8CKyuU
Track times (43 mins total):
I. 2:19
II. 3:54
III. 5:03
IV. 1:52
V. 7:45
VI. 7:03
VII. 7:52
VIII. 7:29
>>60587731
How come he looks so portly there?
>>60560973
Modern music is a disgusting, cacophonic pile of trash that is worth less than the paper it is written on. I personally hate anything that has too much counterpoint, dissonance, angularity or atonality. I just don't understand it. I'm never capable of grasping what the composer is trying to do, because I've had no musical training whatsoever, nor do I wish to put for any effort at all to try to understand it because I would much prefer to never leave the soothing, watered-down idiom of complete tonality. I think that Ravel and Debussy are not as good composers as most people think they are. I mean, why write a piece that is not based on harmony or melody? Dutilleux is even worse! That 'Tout und mond lotion' or something like that, full of its meaningless sonorities and chromaticism makes me sick to listen to, even in the hands of the great Rostropovich; I'll stick to his Bach Cello Suites, thank you (preferably the ones in major keys because they're much lighter; Prelude No. 1 from Suite No. 5 is ughhh; too much thinking involved when listening to that piece). I like some of Scriabin's music, but not his late stuff. It's so weird. Don't even get me started on those serialist composers either. Berg's Violin Concerto was written for his dead wife; she probably committed suicide from having to listen to his other stuff lol! There's no passion in that piece; it's the only serialist piece I've heard and I refuse to listen to any other serialist works, although I do have to say I like Boulez's conducting in Stravinsky's Pulchinella Suite (anything else by Stravinsky I tend to stay away from- too randomly crashy and bangy). I think the worst are these... oh what are they called... "New Complexity" and "Stochastic" composers. LOL has anyone here heard Michael Finnissy's "English Country Tunes"? My cats can do better than that! I mean, it's obviously just TOTALLY random and completely pointless, or at least I don't see one. I'll stick to my Purcell.
>>60588316
>Ravel and Debussy
>not based on harmony or melody
wat. impressionism is considered the finale of common practise.
