Yeah, Swans and Sun City Girls can do that for me sometimes. Or the first time I heard In the Flowers
I felt genuine enlightenment listening to this
How can I have a spiritual experience when I'm dead on the inside?
Yes
>>60529421
Duster - Stratosphere
last time I listened to Coltrane's ascension while on whippits i think I saw god
>>60529466
hey
>>60529421
Alvin Row
swans - sftb
yes
After listening to Lazarus.
>>60529437
kek
>be high as fuck one night
>find this album on youtube
>go to sleep and pop on some headphones
At some point the music got heavy and dark and I thought I was being sent to hell
I was sweating so hard and freaking out I had to gasp for air
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>>60529509
Not to be a dick but I can't help but feel like you guys are exaggerating. I've certainly felt intense euphoria and strong emotions while listening to music, but nothing I would describe as spiritual. Is it just me?
Every luxury has a deep price. Every indulgence, a cosmic cost. Each fiber of pleasure you experience causes equivalent pain somewhere else. This is the first law of emodynamics. Joy can be neither created nor destroyed. The balance of happiness is constant. Fact: Every time you eat a bite of cake, someone gets horsewhipped. Facter: Every time two people kiss, an orphanage collapses. Factest: Every time a baby is born, an innocent animal is severely mocked for its physical appearance. Don't be a pleasure hog. Your every smile is a dagger. Happiness is murder. Vote "yes" on Proposition 1321. Think of some kids. Some kids.
>>60529559
I agree with you, but it just comes down to what you define as spiritual
>>60529559
Well, LSD
>>60529421
first time listening to this
also Paralectus
>>60529466
H E Y
>>60529560
what.
>>60529597
Acid is fucking awful though
>>60529421
Does it count if it's at church?
>>60529687
Why, bad experience?
>>60529687
Maybe it is YOU who is fucking awful, anon. Because LSD is neither good or bad.
>>60529558
Some of the tracks off this album are Top tier.
>>60529725
sure
>>60529726
A guy in my school did acid, his friend told him that there were maggots in his stomach, so the guy took out his pocket knife and gutted himself. I'm not eager to try something that makes people do that shit.
>>60529790
Lol that guy sounds like such a fucking retard holy shit. Did your mom tell you that story?
>>60529421
one time i was listening t the album Accelerate by R.E.M. During one of the songs, Man Sized Wreath, one of the choruses at the end has Michael talking the lyrics back to himself in his normally deep voice, but somewhat in the background. I was young and it was my first time going through the album, and when i first heard the words, they were indecipherable, and i thought it was god talking to me. Now whenever I hear michael stipe talk, i think it's god.
>>60529805
The police told that story when they came to the school to tell people about what happened, I'm going to assume they were at least partially honest.
>>60529421
At least once.
I think it was that time at a Godspeed Concert.
>>60529879
If you take LSD at school, you're GOING to have a bad time. Set and setting, friend.
Sounds like that kid deserved for his own stupidity, honestly.
The first time I listened to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLuOzNeHw5I
While I was in highschool.
I had a really, really long bus ride.
>>60529421
spiritualism is a load of shit for people who are more guided by their emotions than by what actually exists around them
i sat alone on top of a mountain and watched the sun go down while listening to an album. it wasn't spiritual so much as it was emotional. and listening to that album now fills me with a muted version of that feeling. but i'm not a spiritual person, so i don't even know what that would feel like to be honest.
>>60529943
explain
What does a "spiritual experience" even mean?
>>60529904
>>60529879
It's hard to get your hands on proper LSD so there's chances the kids were doing some kind of fucked up undocumented synthetic hallucinogen like a 2C-I or something similar.
That being said, that kid has to be fucking retarded to buy into that shit. Acid doesnt' completely strip you of your faculties
listening to "The Creator Has a Master Plan" for the first time is the closest I've ever been to feeling a genuine religious experience. Felt like my soul was immersed in a bliss beyond anything I'd ever experienced and that everything in life made sense and belonged to a whole.
Yeah, it's pretentious, but I was a teenager at the time, so fuck it. Helped me out of a depression for about a month, so I'm fine with it.
>>60530004
Something akin to suddenly realizing and being part of the oneness of the universe. imo it doesn't really come from music, it comes from meditation or drugs.
>>60530004
It means different things for different people. It could mean that you realized you had a spirit, or that it intensified your spirit, or really anything. Doesn't necessarily mean religious, but could be.
>>60529421
"Spirit" is in the title, after all
>>60530064
>oneness of the universe
Sounds like bullshit m8
>>60530107
It's the truth. We're all of the same consciousness.
>>60530107
You're doomed. Everything in the universe ultimately adds up to 1, and you're a part of it. You are the universe you observe, kiddo.
Or you can be an atheist and live in a world where every single number isn't based off of one.
>>60529597
Even then. I've actually listened to music while on LSD and experienced the aforementioned euphoria, but the "spiritual" experiences I had only came later. That could just be a coincidence though.
>>60530135
I'd be inclined to believe that if consciousness did actually exist
Fell asleep listening to this album, woke up about 4 minutes into Starálfur and shed a tear or two cause it was pretty beautiful especially ahlf awake
>>60530196
edgy. you're given this amazing fucking brain and you waste it on a thought like that. a shame.
>>60530256
So disagreeing with you is a waste of thought? Damn dude
>>60529559
yeah desu i agree with you
>>60530275
you are on 4chan, after all
>>60530275
You're disagreeing with your own existence is what you're doing.
>>60530302
fuck off you stupid hippie
>>60530196
It doesn't exist? What is life then?
>>60530315
How can you think consciousness doesn't exist? Sure it's impossible to bottle consciousness to prove its existence, but that's because consciousness is the root of all science.
>>60529466
well memed
>>60530336
i'm not the guy who you're arguing with, i just think that you're annoying
>>60530342
oh, okay retard
>>60530320
Chemical reactions dude, doesn't change how anything feels or how you should analyze it but it is
>>60529421
I think I speak for every Metalhead when I say, that listening to the song that finally convinces you to immerse yourself in the genre, is the closest a Metalhead will ever feel to a religious awakening.
Go ahead, say Metal is for children, but what I say is true. I'm sure other Metalheads would back me up.
>>60530349
go overdose and become "one with everything" you nerd
no because i am not a liberal faggot
i do not think, i merely do. it is a constant euphoria. no thoughts, pure bliss.
>>60529996
spiritualism is essentially taking subjective emotional experiences and attributing them to outside forces that you have no way or reason to explain, it's what has caused religion to appear in every society throughout history
>>60530363
Oh I see, you just have no control of your life. Sorry for thinking otherwise.
>>60530365
already there, nigger
>>60530349
>>60530342
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>>60530107
shouldn't you guys be having this argument in the Comments section of a YouTube video about DMT or something?
>>60530387
tell it to the faggot who started it with his dumb spiritual shit
>>60530363
So you didn't mean to say consciousness doesn't exist right? That's the scientific explanation but we're a manifestation of the universe and higher cosmic power. Consciousness is a state of being disconnected from any physical form. Those chemical reactions are what connect sentience to our physical bodies but it's not dependent on it.
>>60530385
cool edgy racism, loser
>>60530421
>chemical reactions are what connect sentience to our physical bodies but it's not dependent on it
why can't we put human brains inside of robots then faggot
>>60530421
What evidence do you have that there is a form beyond the physical?
>>60530449
We're not that smart. Keep looking to other men for answers, it's within you.
shut the fuck up and listen to the new live rush album.
>>60530380
i just dont understand whats wrong with that
and i think the reason people do that is because some albums people think are boring where other people listen to that exact same album and feel super happy/sad/whatever, they dont just attribute it to outside forces to look cool (althuogh some probably do)
BELIEVE IN GHOSTS AND SET THEM FREE
>>60529509
Even though I think youre being sarcastic Ive had a great experience with this album
>about as drunk and high as I have ever been
>New in my college town and I didnt really have any friends besides my roommates at the time and they are at work
>Sitting in my cold ass garage behind the bar next to an awesome set of really loud analogue speakers from the late 90s
>Listening to lateralus straight through for the first time
>So fucked up I cant really move, barely conscious
>I can feel all the atoms in my body separating and fusing with the wall Im leaning against.
>Pass out at some point
Great times I miss that garage
Yes
>>60530513
there's nothing wrong with it, it's just bullshit
>>60530485
>i'm not that smart
ftfy
>>60530534
but why?
>>60530536
>believing the average human to be smart
>believing humans to be smart
>believeing humans to be anything other than chunks of meat guided by the reactions in their brain
>>60530557
because it has all to do with subjective reactions in your brain and nothing to do with the objective realities of the world
>>60530536
Ok man, project your lack of knowledge onto me. If you think science has all of the answers within 500 years of substantial research more power to you. Look into chinese/indian philosophy unless you consider them all dumb too
>>60530592
Nobody knows the objective realities of the world. We're all wearing rose-tinted glasses, what we see isn't how the universe really is.
>>60529421
I'm not even religious or spiritual in any way but https://youtu.be/ufgpCJxDDIg does this to me, especially when paired with that fan video in a dark room at night. Never experienced 'spiritual' feels from anything else though.
>>60530623
That may very well be, but somebody who claims to have communed with some supreme being they have no way of defining other than that they saw it on some mushroom trip most definitely are not seeing reality for what it is
>>60530681
Well, you can morph your brain to do whatever it wants, it's why schizophrenics from foreign countries tend to be shamans or mystics.
As long as you don't go crazy like Syd Barrett or whatever, I think it's healthy and even good for you to commit your mind to the spiritual side of things. Like believing in the grand architect, or Krishna. They're almost like touchstones in the mind that can allow you to bend your perception of reality, imo.
Maybe I'm sounding retarded to you, I dunno, in the end any spiritual quest doesn't matter because we'll be dead, I think we can agree on that at least.
>>60530810
We don't know what happens when we die
>>60529434
Seriously, this was one of the first real experimental albums I listened to and it was a hellish ride that left me wordless and just kind of almost braindead at the end.
>>60529509
Shit had me fucking ascending in my bed under the covers on molly in 9th grade.
>>60530867
Nothing happens. Literally nothing. You cease to exist and there is nothing.
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>>60530867
Your body dies, and then your name dies. The goal of this life, I believe, is to be remembered for as long as possible after you die. Like Jesus. That's why Jesus "conquered death", because we're talking about the dude 2000 years later.
I feel like Man on the Moon by REM perfectly encapsulates my feelings on this and what heaven really is.
i have spiritual experiences listening to music quite often
actually im not sure what it is but god comes to me quite often, and he usually brings along some of his friends like hairless screaming old rat people that live in the dark and eat bugs similar looking to pic related but much worse
the rat people speak to me and attack me and humiliate me and talk to me about the hell that awaits me, and god himself possesses my body and tries to kill me
one time i was listening to this when i was getting attacked by the rat people https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zTRnCP6Zxg
it threw me into full blown terror
the rat people followed my every step breathing down my neck looking at me from the shadows of the corners of my room with a smile as if to say im going to fucking gouge your eyes out any god damn second you pathetic fucking human scum, and you will realize your place in this universe as we drag you down to hell and throatfuck you bloody for the rest of time
so that song was playing and as the intro got past and the beat came in everything went haywire
every last mother fucking rat person came out of the shadows at once and came running straight for me full blown fucking speed good god i shit my pants with terror i screamed my sins to god and felt like a naked child they pounded my head against the wall they put their faces 1 inch from mine belting out guttural war cries and stuck their 10 inch fingernails down my eyes jamming their bugs down my cockhole as they sang the lords praise
and the lyrics were echoing out
"Every animal
Come kill me
I seem so brittle
Come kill me
I seem so little"
Once I gained back control of my body I ripped my headphones off and the rat people disappeared along with the song
probably tylo be chillin desu senpai
>>60531014
sounds like schizophrenia
>>60530949
How do you know?
>>60530562
this tbqh
>>60531014
Your lack of punctuation results in word soup, which is a sign of schizophrenia.
You're alright though anon, the rats aren't existent in the material world.
>>60531067
not that guy or anything but it really is the most likely outcome, there isn't any compelling evidence to the contrary
>>60531152
This is the problem with science, we've become so comfortable with our own mortal logic that we've stop thinking outside of the box. The easiest answer is probably wrong.
>>60531191
why would we ever think anything to the contrary?
why is the easiest answer probably wrong?
>>60531265
Reincarnation isn't too far from reality... it's definitely not that close either.
To say nothing happens means that the universe shuts down simply because you're not their to perceive. The world goes on within you and without you, senpai
One time I fell asleep listening to The Velvet Underground and Nico and got spooked waking up in the middle of European Son.
>>60531288
after I die the world will go on without me but it won't go on within me
also reincarnation implies that there has always been the exact same amount of life throughout the universe but that's extremely unlikely
>>60531344
If anything, reincarnation is like 2% true, but yeah, it's definitely not anything supernatural.
A tiny amount of you will live on in future life, just like some of the water you're made up of could have been pissed out by dinosaurs.
>>60531344
>that there has always been the exact same amount of life
That's a stunted view on life. It's not a roll count, we're all one a part of the universe. Why is collective consciousness so far fetched?
I saw Buddha at the end of a long swirling purple and blue tunnel in the sky listening to "Oh darling" by the beatles while tripping on mushrooms
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>>60531137
well i don't know my father is a schizophrenic and his mother is a schizophrenic and my mother had a schizophrenic episode in which she tried to initiate a family suicide pact and sees otherwordly beings on the regular but i don't see myself as that
i try to tell myself in the moment thats its just me and my fucked up imagination working these things up somehow but it terrifies me and i have conversations with more than just god i have conversations with hundreds of people who live in my head conversing through my voice and the god that lives in my head is a power that lives there permanently but i locked up so he only gets out in moments of extreme panic
but i feel his presence now and always and i try my hardest to keep it locked up keep myself distracted and ignore the demands of suicide murder rape kill eat fuck destroy yet i can pull that switch any time and it feels more true to myself
sounds more like i have edgeophrenia and asscancer
>>60531419
because what proof is there? it wouldn't be far fetched if there was proof. why is that so hard to accept?
>>60531390
yeah but my consciousness won't endure, it will just be particles that had once been part of my body
>>60531631
What proof is there for the universe to exist? Where does consciousness come from? There's only once source, if we lived once we can live infinitely.
>>60531663
There isn't just you and there's no my
>>60530974
anon whats it like living such a boring meaningless life
>>60531877
Rude.
And ask yourself dude, for me it's like trying to write the best song i've ever written over and over again, waiting for that brick wall to hit once I can't top the one before it.
van morrison :$
it sure is r/philosophy in here
>>60531951
Im not really sure what you mean by that
>>60532618
idk man, im just living and i have my goals.
It was less of a metaphor and more what's actually happening. I'm proud and happy with my music.
>>60532637
i mean i dont want to seem salty and annoying, but like, I just don't get how you could have goals if you're just going to die and become nothing
>>60532670
It's complicated. I have idols I look up to, and they've shaped my worldview, I kind of want to give that back to the world I guess. I have a few songs that took a lot out of me, they came from horrible experiences and I turned it into something I think is beautiful and I want it to strike a chord with at least one person out there.
It's up to the world to decide if it really holds any meaning I guess.
Yup, and no drugs involved. I was completely new to good music at the time, and listened to Lonerism for the first time. It also happenned when listening to the Holy Gift from Tool.
>>60532716
Oh ye that makes sense
>>60530045
don't be ashamed nigga, that album did the same for me
>>60529421
The first time I listened to MPP I was high (which is rare, i dont smoke). The In the Flowers video was SO TRIPPY.
I was also high the first time I listened to "Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven." The music literally felt like it was moving me. Mind you, I am a lightweight, and I was dabbing.
>tl;dr "weed lmao"
>>60529560
is that from the show lol.
>>60529421
It was July of 2012. I listened to the reissue of Dopesmoker while I was stoned out of my mind. I swore I was a Weedian traveling the desert.
>>60533219
Almost cried the first time I heard this album.
>>60530364
I agree
>>60530364
I disagree and think you need to be less dramatic about minor events in your life.
So much awesome music in this thread I've put most of it on a playlist of albums I want to listen to
>>60532670
Why do anything then. Why don't you kill yourself?
>>60529624
I was listening to it and it was really beautiful and then it started turning post rock but right when the guys voice came in with that death metal screaming bullshit it fucking ruined it
>>60534042
wait what
No. But then I've never had much imagination.
