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Does anyone know who Sergei Yferov is, he should be some (obscure) Russian composer born in the 19th century (1860's), I'm not even sure if his name is transcribed well. (Sergey/Sergei, Yferov/Iferov/Yaferov)
Also, dump:
https://mega.co.nz/#F!mMYGhBgY!Ee_a6DJvLJRGej-9GBqi0A
https://mega.co.nz/#F!lIh3GRpY!piUs-QdhZACFt2hGtX39Rw
https://mega.co.nz/#F!Y8pXlJ7L!RzSeyGemu6QdvYzlfKs67w
https://mega.co.nz/#F!kMpkFSzL!diCUavpSn9B-pr-MfKnKdA
https://mega.co.nz/#F!4EVlnJrB!PRjPFC0vB2UT1vrBHAlHlw
https://mega.co.nz/#F!ygImCRjS!1C9L77tCcZGQRF6UVXa-dA
https://mega.co.nz/#F!DdJWUBBK!BeGdGaiAqdLy9SBZjCHjCw
https://mega.co.nz/#!1V8TSDwL!e5er4zSSyB3kPArCUM02-1KXzlyOkfgfJl6XE9w5orY
https://mega.co.nz/#!CkEQlBbY!k33vuAiD6wJT4C3jAmU8HZ2k_NDz2nF0Jy6qiBdzkwU
http://crudblud.sjm.so/
More context might help.
Why is Schumann so good bros?
>>60501818
I used to not like him that much, but he is growing on me. His piano quintet has become a firm favourite recently
>>60501331
Speaking of obscure composers, Giovanni Scrinzi anyone? Would really like to hear this piece performed
http://javanese.imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/3/37/IMSLP389927-PMLP630937-Scrinzi__Giovanni_-_1864-1935_-_Ballade.pdf
>>60501818
Because he wears his heart on his sleeve.
>mfw this is absolutely terrific
now one of my fav recordings of bruckner 8
>>60501818
>>60501853
Anything piano related with him tends to be very good.
>>60502379
boulez is so great
the less over the top a conductor is, the less they milk climaxes and draw out dramatic phrase, the more impact they have for me
i really, really love boulez for his detailed, clean, no bullshit, rhythmically vital and structurally sound readings. just as much of the music presented to you as accurately as possible
>>60502379
He has a strong distaste for Bruckner, and it really shows in that recording. I hated it.
>>60502379
"I remember Boulez coming to a concert of Bruckner’s Eighth which I conducted in Paris, and he said oh, this music is so simplistic. And I said, but the slow movement should provide interest for you with rhythms which go two against three. Oh, he said, that was done much earlier and much better by Wagner in the second act of Tristan. And with that sentence, he finished off Bruckner."
>>60502467
wow. hard to believe. what are your favorite recordings or bruckner 8 please?
mine are:
v.beinum
v.dohnanyi
boulez
wand (lubeck)
>>60502517
don't just post the quote... post the source.
>>60502562
http://danielbarenboim.com/barenboim-on-boulez/
>>60502517
Based Boulez
>>60502577
cool. bruckner's 'simplicity' may very well be his strength.
>>60502379
havent heard it in years, but i thought it was pretty decent.
>>60502533
personally my favorites are:
beinum, furt, bohm, schuricht, jochum, early Celibidache and a few others. the eigth has had a lot of good performances.
>>60502447
not really always the case though. i can name plenty of conductors whom are far from over the top but turn in completely tepid performances without any sort of the dramatic phrase and impact to which you are referring. and Boulez is hardly a conductor that I would describe as a straight-lacer. he brings in plenty of his own individualized ideas into his music, like his SVS via Darmstadt (as opposed to vis Brahms/Mahler). or how about his early Wagner? his ring cycle was so controversial because of how individual it was. his Mahler too, is pretty individual, where he ignores numerous of the markings for rubato and generally plays him far cooler than other conductors too (he has even admitted that he does not conduct Mahler in an 'authentic' manner). he's mellowed as he's gotten older, but i think he imposes plenty of his own strong personal ideas about music in his conducting, for better or for worse (his Wagner is one of my favorites).
>>60502613
knowing Boulez, he probably meant that as an insult.
the adagio is pretty powerful... but the playing is rather sloppy unfortunately. should have rehearsed a bit more kna.
>>60502937
kna says nah to rehearsing
god, what a weird conductor.
recommended recordings of beet's grosse fugue?
this is a really lovely collection. early dieskau has a lorenz-esque bite and i love it
>>60503102
is it less 'mannered' than late fischer-dieskau? rather dislike that
>>60503133
in some ways, yeah. although he seems to have more youthful vitality in these recordings, his "Totengräbers Heimweh" is played much faster than he later ones and sounds very dramatic
>>60503339
anders will always be my favorite at schubert lieder though, along with Husch as basically a perfect foil:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL3qXKeVvvQ
>>60502937
I like the Bruckner on that RIAS set. Shame about the editions chosen.
Is there anyone as based as this guy?
>>60502517
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>>60504683
yeah the bruckner 8 on that one is pretty good.
>>60505453
I like the 9th even more but that fucking edition mang. Knappertsbusch defended those revised editions for the most retarded reasons.
>>60505622
how about klemperer cutting a chunk of the 8 finale. i gotta be honest though... after the first three movenents of wab108 i don't really even NEED the finale. the adagio would be the perfect ending as far as i'm concerned
>>60505795
Ill agree with you there. The adagio feels like the perfect ending.
Pomp
thoughts on George Crumb?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXwAkcwh88Y
dead
>>60508113
ORESTES ist... TOOOooooooooooooOOOOD
Bumping with Fauré:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=F3q_HJN51uo
Bumping again with a question.
How did composers like Eshpai and Akutagawa write such memorable melodies that don't seem to follow any particular scale at all, despite having a tonal center?
What's everyone's favorite not quartet 14-15 or piano trio 2 Schubert work?
>>60510359
960
>>60501818
Yeah him Schubert and Brahms really tend to bore me idk why
>tfw listening to music can't cure your chronic loneliness
Anyone have a link to some Grieg? There's literally nothing in the archive. Looking for lyric pieces or other solo piano works
>>60510976
it only worsens it anon
>>60503000
juilliard in that 1997 sony release
alban berg
Yo, /classica/ rec me some good lute music.
>>60501818
Best etudes
>>60514102
Tell that to Scriabin.
>>60514102
>>60514173
Or Prokofiev for that matter.
Does anyone in /classical/ play any instruments? If so, what? Trumpet here.
I know I'm never gonna be able to make a career out of playing, but I still enjoy doing amateur shit.Is that the right mindset for playing if you know you're not a god? Also, Any tips on finding chill bands and shit to play in other than by just knowing the right people?
>>60514924
I used to play saxophone, never had any musical talent, I was a sickly child and my lung capacity was really bad and playing saxophone was pretty hard form me so I never finished elementary musical school.
I've always wanted to play the cello, I had a girlfriend or two who gave me some cello lessons but I'm pretty tone-deaf.
>>60514924
keyboard, accordion, guitar, drumkit, cello, penny whistle, sometimes theremin... I can also sing but my pitch isn't as accurate as I would like. Not sure if whistling counts but supposedly I'm a great whistler too.
>>60510816
>Schubert and Brahms really tend to bore me
you're just not ready for it. it's exit level stuff.
>>60514924
>tips on finding chill bands and shit to play in other than by just knowing the right people?
go to local musicians clubs. There's usually open mic nights or jam clubs around in your local city. go down have a beer and a jam and get to know the local musos. bound to find someone who wants to play the same thing as you eventually. Muso's also tend to have great drug hook ups if you're into that kind of thing. Improvisation and drugs/alcohol tend to go hand in hand. Nothing quite as fun as improvising with a group of people and really gelling and listening to each other. Cant stand improv where people dont listen to what other people are playing. First rule is listen, second rule is try to play something that complements what the others are playing. The only exception to this is when you take the lead (or start the song), where others should follow you within reason.
>>60514102
>>60514173
>>60514371
Or Chopin.
>>60514924
Piano, percussion, guitar, E.bass, U.bass, cello, vocals, harmonica, and I'm just learning the basics of bari and tenor saxophone and violin.
>>60501818
Schumann is a meme. The epitome of famous because famous. This was the case with almost all German composers, the German/Austrian common practice period being the earliest example of a pure circlejerk. The main difference being that while Bach, Mozart or Beethoven didn't compose anything significantly better or worse than their contemporaries from other countries, Schumann is unique, as far as I know, his entire musical output being below bagatelle level.
Liszt, while not even a composer, is rightfully remembered as one hell of a virtuoso and showman. Schumann is remembered purely because he was German.
>>60515585
>This was the case with almost all German composers.
Within the CPE, maybe. They were among the best when it came to 20th century stuff.
>>60515585
Lol
>>60515585
you're thinking about this too much & you're not impressing anyone. if you cannot enjoy lovely music like kinderszenen or humoreske then that is completely your loss & nobody elses.
Best pieces for orchestra/strings and non-standard orchestral instrument? RVW's Romance for harmonica & orchestra is a good example
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKe6SCgKXzc
What sounds like early Scriabin but isn't?
>>60519191
Chopin. All of it. Also early Debussy.
>pieces only you know
i think i'm the only person ITT who knows this piece by prokofiev
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPQu9kmbVVg
>>60519255
>tfw late chopin (66/2) sounds more like early scriabin than early scriabin does
>>60519412
Oh fuck I mean 62/1 Jesus!
>tfw in her anus ANUS ANUS
>>60519281
https://youtube.com/watch?v=DSDMsY48gZc
Though I've been spamming it here in previous threads for a while now
>Instead of writing the music of his imagination, [Sibelius] wanted to transcribe the very noise of nature. He thought he could hear chords in the murmurs of the forests and the lapping of the lakes; he once baffled a group of Finnish students by giving a lecture on the overtone series of a meadow.
wew
>>60521113
That's impressively autistic. I actually kind of admire it.
>>60520987
and again
>>60521113
>[Sibelius]
easily the greatest symphonist of the 20th century. fuck neurotics like mahler & shostakovich.
What is the best piano concerto and why is it Beethoven 5?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEYajsa8NeM
>>60522338
>further proof that beethoven is overrated
you cannot beat these riffs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hms1wvsjbHY
Can you guys rec me a compilation album of renaissance guitar like this >>60523183
btw
lots of good pieces from obscure artists with little output, i need it
>>60522225
But Sibelius is shit
>>60522338
It's not when Barenboob plays it
>>60523765
how pleb can you get ?
>>60524083
I guess you could like Sibelius.
Is the twelve-tone technique somehow related to Communism? You know, giving all notes the same importance and shit.
I don't think that's a far off comparison since Schoenberg and other dodecaphonic composers had leftist views.
has /classical/ seen this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSkidzg6TUQ
So I suppose if you want to discuss about opera on 4chan this is the most appropriate place, right?
>>60525353
yes.
>>60525353
Yes. Let us discuss why Gotterdammerung is the best.
>>60524336
But, there's usually a priority to the tonic/dominant/subdominant which kinda implies capitalism. Maybe the whole chromatic shit without tonal centers is more like communism
>>60525419
that melody in the prologue during and at the end of brunnhilde and siegfrieds duet just before the rheinfahrt begins... i cannot get enough of it !!
>>60525419
Because the end of the gods in fire is fucking awesome.
Do you guys agree with the general idea about the Solti Ring recording being the best?
>>60525495
>Do you guys agree with the general idea about the Solti Ring recording being the best?
i've never listened to it, because i fucking loathe solti. i like my karl bohm cycle.
>>60525495
Uh-oh. Don't summon Wagnerfags wrath by invoking Solti.
>>60525495
Wagneranon doesn't care for it and I trust him for the most part.
Solti is the only way to listen to the ring.
Prove me wrong.
>>60525643
You know you're wrong.
Can you guys be useful for once, and post some good recordings?
>>60525465
other than Act II overall being one of my favorite pieces of music, one of my favorite moments is when Siegfried and the Rhinemaidens are singing in unision at the end of the quarrel.
>>60525495
i dont like Solti's Ring at all. i feel it is overproduced and too bombastic. the cast is star studded, but many of them were out of their prime or beginning to be out of their prime. Hotter's diction was especially getting pretty sloppy near the end of his career, Windgassen was a surrogate heldentenor (though still pretty good considering that). i dont know whether or not the amount of bombast in that recording is due to Culshaw or Solti, honestly. Culshaw engaged in a lot of dishonest and unsavory audio engineering practices, even though the purely technical aspect in many of his recordings sound great, the amount of overall instrumental highlighting and multimiking that goes on in them, along with their unnatural "airy" feel makes the recording sound very fake.
think my favorite stereo recordings are Janowski and Karajan. Janowski's has excellent sound quality and a great acoustic space (recorded in a church) it has a consistent cast as well, no absolutely top tier singing, but as far as the Ring can go, at least it has good enough singing. and there are some highlights too, the Hagen is wonderful, for example. Bohm has a good cycle too, but i feel like Windgassen is too leathery at that stage in his career.
really though, if you want to hear the Ring at it's best, you're basically forced to listen to old mono recordings from the golden ages of singing.
>>60525549
>>60525796
>really though, if you want to hear the Ring at it's best, you're basically forced to listen to old mono recordings from the golden ages of singing.
And is there any particular recording of it that you'd reccomend?
>>60514173
>>60515381
or Debussy
>>60525869
the '53 Krauss set, the '52 Keilberth set (especially the Gotterdammerung, which I consider to be overall the best on record due to the excellent cast), literally anything with Max Lorenz in it, the Moralt set, Furtwangler's '50 set, the Potted Ring set, Elmendorff's Gotterdammerung (behind Keilberth's in being my favorite)
>>60525796
>>60525869
>>60525994
>tfw have Haitinks Das Rheingold and Gotterdammerung
Tell me Wagneranon, as somenone who is only accustomed to Furtwanglers Tristan excellence and Klemperer's conducting, how bad is Haitinks in terms of Modern recordings?
>>60526075
not bad at all, not a favorite though. i'd say it's a fairly decent modern set.
it could be far worse. it could be Thielemenn.
>>60526124
>Thielemenn
*Thielemann
>>60526124
Thank you, I'm starting to get accustomed to Wagner and I do not want to unknowingly pick a recording that doesn't do any of music or drama justice.
For the Ring, I'm gona 50/50 it, with two modern and old meme recordings
Which Sigfried and Die Walkure do you recommend?
>>60526159
>Thielemann
i honestly don't get the hate. he's a solid wagner conductor if you ask me. what do you find offensive in his recordings?
>>60526218
i would say Karajan and Janowski both have fairly good entries for both of those. i would definitely give Janowski the edge in Siegfried though, Rene Kollo is a better Siegfried, and Karajan's got this Mime who--while appropriately vicious--frequently treads into sprechstimme territory which feels out of place.
as far as old meme recordings go for the two of those, Furt has a very good Siegfried which you can still grab in SDF's very old mediafire: http://www.mediafire.com/lolnoyoudont
my favorite Act I for Die Walkure (which, in my opinion, is the best Act of the opera) is >>60525994 because of GOAT singing and conducting. but Furt's '50 set is a pretty good one too, i also like Keilberth's '52 set which you can find on rutracker.
>>60526361
from the most recent recording on DG, i can only tell you that he is far too slow in Wagner for my tastes (and, probably, for Wagner's taste too). his conducting, to me, comes across as far too tepid for Wagner as well. the modern recording sounds surprisingly bad in terms of sonics, and the singing and acting left much to be desired. sloppy diction, static acting, it all felt very "flat" to me. i have not heard him conduct Wagner in other recordings, so perhaps he betters himself else where, but I am not a great Thielemann fan regardless.
>>60526361
>The orchestra is to die for. Thielemann obtains standards of execution that rival and often surpass Boulez and Barenboim in their respective 1979/80 and 1993 Bayreuth cycles. No matter how prominent or obscure the leitmotif, Thielemann makes sure that it resonates within the barest or thickest textures. Technical sheen and characterful intensity distinguish the first-desk soloists, and the percussion section never holds back, while the strings mesh with painstaking calibration and unanimity. The agile, gorgeously blended brass may well reflect the Karajan/Berlin paradigm that Thielemann credits as an influence; listen to brass/harp balances in the sequence leading into Das Rheingold Scene 2, or notice the seamless textural interweaving in the long instrumental stretch leading into the final scene of Siegfried.
>>60526543
the recording i listened to from him was from:
http://www.amazon.com/Wagner-Ring-14-DVD-Combo/dp/B00CDZM4QS/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top?ie=UTF8
which i found to be a snoozefest. i have not heard the one from which your quote originated.
also, Jed, pls stop being such a pretentious twat and take some cues from Hurwitz and put down the thesaurus and get to the point already
thielemanns siegrief idyll on this album is breathtaking.
I've never seen the ring live. Have any of you?
several o heilige gotter (gotterdammerung) by knappertsbusch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXW7q-1dbtg
>>60527023
varnay was truly the GOAT Brunnhilde
dont like Knappertsbusch's Wagner tho
>>60527075
>dont like Knappertsbusch's Wagner tho
holy shit, you're hard to please !!
>>60501331
Any recommendations for someone getting into Beethoven? I've already heard his Moonlight Sonata, 5th and 9th Symphonies.
>>60527157
kek. i mean, i would rather listen to Knappertsbusch than most because basically all his recordings have great singing, but i find his conducting lacking sometimes.
i do like a rather late Parsifal recording by him though. and that 1951 Gotterdammerung is probably him at his best as well.
>>60527165
Wellington's victory
Christ on the Mount of Olives
C major Mass
>>60527165
>Any recommendations for someone getting into Beethoven?
op.59/1
>>60527190
>>60527234
Thank you.
>tfw Kleiber is probably on of the GOAT Wagner conductors but his recordings are in such horrible quality that you can hardly listen to them
i really want someone to save this one. some audio engineer autist needs to go through this second by second and clean up all the fucking pitch issues and the constant inconsistent noise.
>>60527259
You too
>>60527165
Piano Concertos; 3rd and 7th Symphonies; Piano Sonatas #8, 21, 23, and 29; Triple Concerto; Egmont and Fidelio Overtures
best way to hear rossini's operas without all the narrative/dialogue please ?
>>60527268
What do you think of Carlos's Wagner?
>>60527688
fug off CLT you're dead now.
>>60527760
he has one of my favorite Tristan's. wish he had recorded some of Wagner's Ring too.
too bad the orchestra overpowers the singers a lot on this recording.
>>60527337
I don't think I understand this pic.
>>60528024
he was deaf anyway
>>60525449
But "chromatic shit without tonal centers" IS 12-tone technique.
>>60528024
Beethoven was deaf. If he had wanted to listen to his own compositions, he couldn't have.
>>60502379
Got a link?
>>60524336
I mean it could be considered analogous to a classless society, and tonality to a hierarchical society.
In practice, though, I'm pretty sure it was the opposite. Dodecaphony, or rather, atonality in general flourished in the first world alongside the chaotic modern art, while the second world was much more conservative with it's classical music, alongside things like Soviet realism.
bumpin
>>60528291
>tfw I did a shitty job at editing that little circle just before the horn mouthpiece and it looks uneven.
I'll have to get around to sorting that at some point. Not tonight though, I'm too tired
>>60524336
SDF has talked at length about the subject before from what I can remember and the answer is basically 'No' (according to him). I can't be bothered dredging the archives to find what he said exactly though
what is edgy in classical
>>60530926
Boulez's opinions.
Glenn Gould in general.
>>60530926
Most tripfags
>>60530959
How is Glenn Gould edgy?
>>60531024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTZ33EVK3Ug
>>60531024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT0ghoOGn78
Hey /classical/. Is there a entry-level to the genre? Something outside the box. Little edgy, yet mellow and accessible? Post 3 works and I'll listen to them by tomorrow's night.
>inb4 I liked Bruckner symphony 8
>>60531070
>>60531073
Huh. Actually kind of interesting interpretations, to be honest.
But yeah, I see what you mean.
>>60531156
Rautavaara - Piano Concerto 3
>>60531156
Mozart's 23rd piano concerto.
Mozart's 25th piano concerto.
Mozart's 27th piano concerto.
>>60531156
Bach - Italian Concerto
Mozart - Piano Concerto #22
Beethoven - Violin Romance #2
Can someone go on what dot cd and see if this is there?
Recently did a classical cover of an Ariana song. Would appreciate it if you guys checked it out! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iF7tATYpDus
>>60530926
atonality, complexity, maybe Cageian school post modernism if you count that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqvlrphkGAU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW2b4ByT8dM
>>60531156
Bach Art of Fugue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqXZtGyFyDo
Mahler 5th symphony
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOvXhyldUko
Schnittke Concerto for Piano and Strings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGSq4Kc8GNU
>>60534114
>atonality is edgy
Maybe it was at one time, but at this point it's essentially common practice.
>>60533782
Don't call it a "classical cover". Call it something like an "orchestral arrangement", but not a "classical cover".
Seriously, it's for your own good.
>>60534182
of course, its hard to be edgy these days, and can often depends more on subject matter than the actual music.
This is probably the edgiest thing I've ever seen come from the art music society:
http://sounz.org.nz/sample_video/3055
>>60534867
This piece is called "membrane" by John Cousins by the way, and that was the composer performing it himself. takes a lot of balls to do something like this is public. His urine is run through some pumps activated by his feet, and dripped out of tubes onto drum skins.
Mods are asleep post qts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViVNH29cuFo
>>60514924
Drumset mostly. I've only been playing Timpani for a year and have been getting back into mallet percussion.
Let us make this one last another 3 days.
Can anyone tell me some good introductory Bach works? I've heard a good few of his Cantatas and I've heard his St. Matthew Passion; I haven't heard much of his other stuff.
>>60538714
I'm not very knowledgeable about Bach, but you should check out his Art of Fugue, Goldberg Variations, Well Tempered Clavier Books I & II and Mass in B minor
>>60525994
Where can I find the Krauss set?
>>60502379
Admit it. The first time you heard that Pierre Boulez had recorded Bruckner's Eighth, you laughed. How could you not? The only thing more ridiculous than Nikolaus Harnoncourt, the high priest of authentically autistic performance practice, conducting the authentically ecstatic music of Bruckner is Pierre Boulez, the high priest of excruciatingly objective cerebral modernism, conducting the profoundly subjective spiritual music of Bruckner. The question was: would Boulez conduct the mighty and majestic Eighth as an exercise in counterpoint or a musical meditation on the numinous? You had to ask? Of course, Boulez does what he always does: he plays it straight. If the Eighth were only a superbly composed piece of music, that would be enough, because Boulez leads the Vienna Philharmonic in a thoroughly lucid performance of Bruckner's score. Not only does Boulez hear everything in the score, he lets the listener hear everything in the score. But nowhere does the listener hear more than is in the score because Boulez's objectivity cannot imagine the immensity beyond the score, the immensity that Bruckner heard and which a great performance forces the listener to confront. Although the Vienna Philharmonic plays with great beauty of tone and Deutsche Grammophon's live digital sound from Bruckner's St. Florian in Linz is awe-inspiring, Boulez is only conducting the notes. The numinous immensity beyond the notes is silent.
I think if 4chan had no rules, the whole site would be filled with child porn.
>>60539921
>>60540069
These two posts are pretty distinct eh?
>>60539921
This is pasta right?
is anyone better than chopin when it comes to romantic piano
protip: no
>>60541403
Liszt
reminder if you enjoy Wagner you're a nazi.
>>60542369
There's literally nothing wrong with being a nazi.
>>60542369
Speaking of Wagner, there's two Ring recordings from 1953, one conducted by Wilhelm Furtwängler, and the other by Krauss.
Which one should I get?
