Which bands and artists are the equivalent of 'modern art'
>>60497225
this in't modern art this is post-modern art.
Modern art died out somewhere in the 60s.
Grimes
Miley Cyrus
Lady Gaga
>>60497250
>Lady Gaga
nah. she's actually put out some pretty decent stuff
>>60497225
all noise music
>>60497225
Liturgy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2o9VyuJSD4
this would be modern art equivalent
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=040slUxs5yQ
this would be post modern equivalent
>>60497225
GG Allin
>>60497225
>modern art
t.someone who doesn't acutally knows what that means
i get what you mean and >>60497307 is corrent, along with Deafheaven
>>60497244
it's contemporary art actually
>>60497271
>all cotemporary art is SHIT, i can do it too ! xD
vaporwave
Onkyo,Good morning good night etc
vaporwave
>>60497307
>>60497324
what do Liturgy and Deafheaven have to do with the OP?
>>60497225
Reminder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNI07egoefc
viper
>>60499295
>cherrypicks examples of modern art
>claims there is an objective standard to art
>claims that there is only one standard of beauty
everything about this video is terribad
>>60499295
>how can I prove this?
>I can't, I'm just going to say these works are better than cherrypicked examples by me
>>60499295
nazis hated modern art too :)
>>60499322
>>60499480
Looks like someone is butthurt because sane people don't see any value in shitting on a canvas.
>>60499495
Nazis also breathed air.
>>60499522
Can you give an actual argument to objectivity in art?
>>60499532
yeah you can give a bunch of bullshit arguments most of them are basically "muh classicism"
>>60499532
No, but I also don't see what's so artistic about "art" like OP's picture. Could you explain how there is any value in shitting on a canvas?
>>60499538
But nothing says that classicism is an objective standard. That was just their societal standard.
>>60499589
I'm not moved by it but it's wrong to say that it's objectively bad because it's not classical art.
Art is about emotions not beauty itself. As I can see you already lost THE GAME with OPs photo
>>60499295
cringeworthy video
>>60499622
I'm not saying it's bad because it's not classical art. I'm saying it's bad because I can't see what the "artist" who made this: >>60497225 wants to express with it. Is he just trying to be edgy? If so, that's hardly what I'd call artistic.
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>>60499677
>that's hardly what I'd call artistic.
Then what is artistic?
>>60499704
don't be a sperg, who gives a shit?
>anything I dislike is not art!
s m h t b h
>>60499704
if you honestly agree with what that guy says in that video, I feel sorry for you
PC MUSIC
I fucking hate it when people used "shitting on a canvas" as the epitome of modern art. It's the worse case of cherry picking I've ever seen.
>>60499744
Not the thing in OP's picture, that's for sure.
>lel look guys it's literal shit lol im so edgy
>>60499522
here's your response
zzzzzzz
>>60499767
this
>>60499791
So you can't define artistry
>>60499799
Damn you're right, reading your post made me realise how wrong I was.
>>60497225
Vaporwave and PC music
>>60497302
pleb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unN7QvSWSTo
How can it be anything but this
>>60499597
that's pretty much what >>60499295 is implying
>>60499862
No he isn't, he literally was talking about an objective standard in art. Watch the fucking video "Objective" is in huge letters.
>>60499652
art isn't "about" anything specific
>>60497271
LOL
>>60499883
yeah that video is retarded on so many levels
all the works he cites (cherrypicks) as being clearly good examples are just pieces that conform to classical values.
so tell me, what exactly are the objective standards of art?
>>60499704
>anonymous image-board culture
Heartiest of keks
>>60499987
>so tell me, what exactly are the objective standards of art?
there aren't any that's what I was asking the other guy
why do you think I'm on the other side
>>60499589
You can't take conceptual art out of context. The work itself is often deliberately trivial or uninteresting. It's the idea that counts. You have to read about it.
>>60499652
No it's not.
>>60499677
You'd have to ask the artist, seriously. Probably he wrote something to explain it. You're not supposed to just stare at something for 10 seconds and say "ah, I get it" and then get a golf clap from your peers. That's not how it works.
>>60500167
>>60500125
Fuck that, art should draw you in. You shouldnt have to trudge through bullshit in some attempt to "learn to like it". If you have a point to make, do it in a way that's actually interesting or choose a different medium. If i should be reading about why i like a piece of art, here's an idea. Write about it, skip the art.
Noise and gaze. They're literally containment genres.
>>60500365
I kind of agree with you but honestly there's also a lot of valuable conceptual art imo. There's definitely a bullshit aspect to art that exists solely to "start a conversation" that could've been had with art as a communicative crutch.
>>60499209
Both are litteral shit that attract hipsters, isn't that clear enough ?
>>60500406
joanna newsom fans everyone
>>60500365
Conceptual art deliberately distills the experience of art to a purely intellectual exercise. That's the point.
I do think it's overstayed its welcome; it's mostly been ultra dull since the Young British Artist era. But it was actually cool in the 60s and 70s when Fluxus was still a thing.
Id call noise modernism and pc music/vaporwave post modernism vaporwave pastiches 80s muzak and pc music is a pastiche of modern pop. Also they depict utopian/distopian societies. Noise is more akin to pollock rather than warhol.
>>60500573
Total serialism is more like modern art in general; noise and free improvisation are closer to dada and abstract expressionism.
And music has been heavy on postmodernism since hip hop and sampling were introduced. Beck was already really postmodern; vaporwave is more or less just a continuation of that.
Bull of Heaven
That's a compliment to them
They are geniuses
>>60499295
That guy sounds like an old shia labeouf
>>60500635
What would be late 60s/early 70s experimental rock then?
>>60499790
This
>>60499295
I don't even have to open that link to know what video it's going to be. It's easily one of the worst videos I have ever seen.
>>60499652
I would argue that art is creative expression. Nothing more and nothing else.
It is Vaporwave / Post-Internet Music
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pD2jikaLHPg
http://youtube.com/watch?v=uvDzaQOSZ3E
http://youtube.com/watch?v=RAvtHVO2W3s
https://youtube.com/watch?v=nBKf51Mrbs8
>>60500532
>Conceptual art deliberately distills the experience of art to a purely intellectual exercise. That's the point.
I mean, if it's trying to express something on a purely intellectual level. Why not literally study the concepts, write your findings down, and get your peers to look it over. You might actually create something of value.
>>60497225
Fire! Orchestra
>>60500833
The idea is that the most fundamental aspect of art is the intellectual experience rather than the aesthetic, sensual experience. Conceptual art reduces it to that and only that. In that sense it's the purest and most direct form of art, since it's concerned only with conveying an idea and not looking pretty. Of course there are other ways to convey ideas; that's not the point.
>>60500908
>The idea is that the most fundamental aspect of art is the intellectual experience rather than the aesthetic
That idea's neat and all but the reduction doesn't arrive at modern art. It arrives at science: psychoacoustics, color theory, psychology, sociology, optics, biology. If we're talking the PUREST way of conveying an idea we arrive at ones and zeros, mathematics. There is value in exploring the fundamentals of human experience. But my point is that it's pointless to do in the medium of artistic expression. Art should be the exploration of the canvas, if you're aiming to figure out what the canvas is made of, that's awesome too, but if your findings actually contain value, why are you not telling me? why are you attempting to imbed it into "artistic expression"? It seems redundant as fuck.
>>60501161
>It arrives at science: psychoacoustics, color theory, psychology, sociology, optics, biology.
No, that's not it at all.
>If we're talking the PUREST way of conveying an idea we arrive at ones and zeros, mathematics.
The goal is a more transcendent experience, like reading poetry. You're thinking about reading a pop-sci magazine or something. That's totally different.
>>60501321
>No, that's not it at all.
Well reasoned point.
>intellectual experience rather than the aesthetic, sensual experience.
>The goal is a more transcendent experience, like reading poetry.
>>60501517
I meant intellectual as in taking place inside the mind, not detached and objective.
>>60501735
>taking place inside the mind
As opposed to experiences taking place where exactly?
>>60501865
as opposed to an experience rooted in aesthetic appreciation
going running now, bye
>>60501903
u better run m8
>>60499295
>An actual graph plotting standards vs. year
Literally lol'd
contemporary art music
>>60499849
why are you calling me a pleb? I like modern art
Well,I certainly think that Art doesn't have to be taken seriously(to an extent),it has to trasmit an emotion to the beholder,this can be disgust too.
I don't see classicism as a stardard for Art,because art itself won't have stardards in the future.
>>60499295
>"The former has given The Birth of Venus and The Dying Gaul."
No, the primacy of Greco-Roman classicism in intellectual thought for hundreds of years is what did that, not "universal standards."
I'd agree that the contemporary art world often valorizes stupidity (and, more to the point, the art "community" is mostly a bunch of zillionaires that pretend to have taste at Art Basel), but like anything, there's good and bad.
>>60499295
oh, that raging loser again
he probably got mad that nobody wanted his joyless paintings of fat naked bitches laying on couches and instead the galleries put up some blank canvases or something. then he makes a line graph literally plotting "standards" in art and cries about it on youtube. i kind of hope he never says or does anything for the rest of his life.
reminds me of that pic of the guy who complained about the statue of the guy sucking himself off being put next to his unfinished wood carving of a dragon.
>>60497225
Is that a sculpture of poop
Death Grips is a post-modern band imo
>>60497225
Noise
Meme Grips. Sunn O)))
>>60497225
Alt j - awesome wave
>>60497225
Death Grips is the modern art that makes you think, "Maybe it's not all complete bullshit"
>>60500365
>Fuck that, art should draw you in. You shouldnt have to trudge through bullshit in some attempt to "learn to like it". If you have a point to make, do it in a way that's actually interesting or choose a different medium. If i should be reading about why i like a piece of art, here's an idea. Write about it, skip the art.
+1000.
Not to say that all conceptual art is without worth (an all or nothing, dogmatic mentality is counter-productive to any field. "Art should only be about the aesthetic!"), but with regard to music and painting, I think work that prioritizes the "idea" over the sensual and emotional is weaker, since those two mediums are rather insufficient at communicating ideas. Film, literature, and philosophy all do it better, obviously.
Again, not being all or nothing, music and painting often play with ideas in a clever way (This Is Not A Pipe, Dada, Warhol, 4'33, etc) but I think those mediums suffer when the artist goes too far into the conceptual and needs to write a dissertation in order for his work to be "comprehended." Conceptual art is also an easy way out for hacks, since any aesthetic/creative choice can be "justified" or excused away by appealing to the "concept."
"I can't believe you didn't get why I chose to shove a 10khz test tone for 5 minutes into the middle of that song. It's about the post-structural blah, blah, blah, and capitalism's blah blah blah."
>>60497225
most
>>60499704
the fuck?
>>60499752
>>60499764
>>60499994
>>60508805
hownu.ru?
>>60508376
Oneohtrix point terrible
>>60497315
FKA twigs
grimes (as mentioned before)
>>60509084
don't even try to deny the aesthetics of my girl FKA u lil shit
>>60509159
lol im just trolling dude. havent been on mu in hella days brah ;)
>>60509159
Do you know what aesthetic means?
>>60509192
I'm not helping you with your homework dude.
>>60499295
bravo
I haven't laughed this hard all hard week.
the fact that this has so many positive comments and likes is icing on the cake
>>60497225
I literally came to this thread to confirm that you posted a giant shit.
You really did.
That's pretty cool man.
