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Orchestral music edition
Post your favorite symphonies, concertos and other works for orchestra.
Getting these out of the way:
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http://crudblud.sjm.so/
had bruckner's first and fifth on a loop this past weekend. i'm starting to think his symphonies are my absolute favorite, i always find new nooks and crannies in these cathedrals of sound.
>>60459180
Bruckner is definitely one of the best symphonists of all time.
Is Cziffra a meme?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDaaom6bwkE
How is it even possible to be this oblivious to the musicality of music? He played it like a circus tune literally from the opening chord. Never mind bringing out the character that Chopin intended or bringing out whatever character the piece itself might want to be played in, JUST fucking terrible interpretation with no redeeming qualities past empty virtuosity. It's like he's just playing the notes with some rng rubato. Also, those Benny Hill octaves...Jesus Christ in heaven.
Compare to the real thing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFlyKTyFfrs
Fourth for Alkan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79ZNMQ4neJM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3XKeqy8xd4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPoXa9qJPvI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6OQpkOUijE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2YE4T0FdhY
Reminder that Mozart is underrated.
![Haydnportrait[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/QQ1Ezy2.jpg "Haydnportrait[1].jpg")
Best symphonist right here
>tfw almost as underrated as Mozart
>>60461019
Forgot link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybJEJ-JXLMs
>all these "/mu/ writes a song" threads
Can /classical/ write a symphony?
>>60461069
We don't need to become as low as /mu/ already is.
>>60461069
How about: Everyone posts one note, then we collect them and make it into a piece?
i nominate starting with 5/4 meter
>>60461203
>/4
top plen
>>60461203
How about 5/8?
hnnnnnggg
>>60461019
>>60461067
How can one composer be so underrated? I don't get it.
>>60461069
First theme in F# minor.
>>60461798
>How can one composer be so underrated?
see >>60460949
>>60461919
Thanks. I will check him out.
Grieg's Symphony in C minor is amazing.
M8's im interest in buying The Well Tampered Clavier in CD? Suggestions? What about Pollini's
>>60464360
no
Fischer, Feinberg, Richter, Koroliov all fair choices
>>60459004
Schoenberg Chamber Symphony No. 1.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4po3zSPTexY
Pic relates is what I have but couldn't find on YT
>>60464360
>>60464483
Fischer 36 and Richter 73 Live at Innsbruck are what I have and recommend.
Mahler's 5th Symphony will always be my favourite.
Anybody have a particularly great recording? I'm looking for a new one.
>>60464588
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I62yDELKGX0
>>60464588
kubelik/RCO, maderna/philly, walter, mitropoulos are probably my favorites
i suppose ill mention rosbaud too :^)
well that was certainly an interesting recording
not sure what to think of it though
Is Brahms' first symphony his best?
Also, did he have better chamber or symphonic music?
>>60466004
It's his worst but I still love it.
>>60466417
i love them all, but i dunno. always liked the first the best
1 > 3 = 2 > 4
What's a good recording of La Traviata?
Posting best Rachmaninoff piano concerto:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=h9z8LfyKWzo
>>60466901
If you can mind the horrible recording quality, the 55 Giulini recording with Callas is probably the best.
If not, Kleiber is always good
>>60461069
I've already written a most of a symphony
>>60464588
Abbado seems to have the best tempi for this symphony. And he's recent enough to also have some excellent quality recordings
>>60459300
not even close. Struggles to break out of sectional writing. I've never heard an interesting timbre or combination of instruments in a Bruckner symphony. Just heavy handed statements and form over function. "Look at my perfect rondo, oh too bad no one noticed because they dont have the score in front of them and aren't trained composers"
>>60466004
No. 3 is excellent. I prefer his chamber music though. Cello sonata No. 1 is one of the best accompanied cello sonatas of all time.
>>60469237
>I've already written most of a symphony
Will you be posting it here when you're done, for /classical/ to shit all over?
Being a wannabe composer I'd actually appreciate that
>>60469237
>I've never heard an interesting timbre or combination of instruments in a Bruckner symphony
what the fuck are you talking about. It's not like he's going to combine sul ponticello double bass artificial harmonics with flute fluttertongue multiphonics. His symphonies were written in the 19th century. Bruckner is about harmonic tension and release. instrumentation wasn't even something he was that concerned about (which is why he revised his symphonies so much).
>>60469297
4 movements are already up: (see Symphony No.1)
https://soundcloud.com/psllbof
These are my mock ups, next step is to finish writing, then score the whole thing out for orchestra and try to get it played. Still some minor issues with the 3rd movement, and 5th and 6th are still WIPs
>>60469237
>And he's recent enough to also have some excellent quality recordings
but dg digital sound quality sounds shrill and like xray'd multi-miked crap. abbado's live recordings sound immensely better in terms of sound quality.
>>60469237
>implying cultured audience members couldn't recognize and appreciate one of the few basic instrumental music forms of their time, one which appeared in the majority of symphonies they'd be exposed to
>>60469417
>instrumentation wasn't even something he was that concerned about
Oh it shows. The time he was writing in is no excuse. Plenty of composers before him played with colors and timbres, Wagner's a great examples of excellent orchestration and color and he's a contemporary of Bruckner.
>>60469237
>Criticizing Bruckners orchestral writing while yours is embarrassing
Shoo poly
>>60469449
>abbado's live recordings sound immensely better in terms of sound quality.
I actually agree. Live is the correct way to experience classical music, so a live recording is the second best thing, as long as its done very well.
>>60469470
I just dont think your average concert goer in the late 19th century would understand or recognize forms. Form is mostly a composers tool that the listener very rarely comprehends. A "perfect use" of a form will usually go unnoticed until some composer or musicologist reading the score says "Holy shit, this is a perfect Ternary form!"
>>60469508
Bruckner was 39 before he wrote his first symphony. I still have 10 years to out do him.
I already feel I'm ahead of him in orchestration, but I'm all about pared back orchestration so kind of apples and oranges (with Bruckner being all about heavy beethovian themes and fff block writing)
>>60469611
>I know the correct way music is supposed to be appreciated is live, so here's my soundcloud with midi synth mockups
>poly trying to talk about Bruckner
Reminder
https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/mu/thread/S48978251#p48990450
>>60469778
I did say they were mock ups.
If you want live performances, the following pieces were recorded live:
Anagrams for flute (solo flute)
Microsong (Flute, bassoon, soprano)
Trench (Full orchestra)
String Quartet No. 4
>>60470134
sorry I didn't know a minor detail about some second rate composer :^)
>>60469611
Understanding musical form is key to understanding instrumental music—without it, non-lyrical music lacks any context from which to derive meaning. Anyone passionate enough about orchestral music to attend a symphony probably knows what they're getting into on a movement by movement basis simply by reading their names. Better still if they have at least a loose grasp of the European musical tradition.
>>60465114
you know what to think of it
>>60470662
thank you based hurwitz i now know what to think
>>60470681
it's funny because my friend thinks Hurwitz is pretentious and arrogant but fuck the dude knows his shit and doesn't waste time in his reviews
>>60469611
>that the listener very rarely comprehends
Form is pretty much the biggest reason I only ever listen to classical nowadays. Because the tension created by sonata form, for example, is incomparable with any other sort of music.
Is how I enjoy classical music truly only a 21st century phenomenon? I honestly doubt it.
>>60470706
he is pretentious and arrogant as fuck, and i don't agree with him on a lot of conductors, but he is a very entertaining read and he doesn't really bullshit around, like you say
i wonder what sdf would think of it, considering his hard on for zippy Bruckner.
personally--after only hearing it once--i liked the tempi in a lot of areas, maybe a bit too rushed in some certain spots, but i didn't like the overall thinness of the balances, and it really lacked punch in a few key areas. you have these extremely aggressive tempi (overall, of course. it's nothing like Furtwangler's rubato in some certain spots which manages to go even faster) but the playing feels pathetically delicate in comparison. i suppose this is what Venzago is aiming for when he tries to say he is attempting to element the 'grand' style of playing when it comes to Bruckner. furt and horenstein are my favorite in this symphony, so it's a bit difficult to digest.
gotta give him credit though for such an ambitious cycle.
there should have been portamento tho
>>60470828
and speaking of portamento sounding objectively better the faster you are playing, pic related
Schuricht has some very interesting rubato in this one too. i wasn't really convinced by his later recording in France where it felt a bit jarring (especially in the finally) but i was sold on it with this recording with the Swiss Romande Orchestra.
>>60471019
>finally
finale, obviously
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSDMsY48gZc
What do you call this style of classical music? It really reminds me almost of those old movie soundtracks. I mean I hate to mention film scores like a complete pleb, but parts of this I could honestly imagine set to some old black and white opening credits. Particularly at 1:46, with the resurgence of the first theme.
>>60471019
pls upload.
>>60470828
Personally don't like Horenstein much in Bruckner 5, a bit too stiff for my taste (though I like him in all other Bruckner). I rec'd Ilan Volkov's live 2011 Bruckner 5 with the BBCScSO, never got an answer back though (I gave him a few other recordings at the time too). Very impressive Bruckner 5 from a guy who's still considered young for a conductor (about 1:12 timing)
>>60471172
rec'd SDF*
>>60471156
sorry, is on spotify
haven't found any lossless downloads of it, though i might try purchasing it soon(tm)
>>60471172
>never got an answer back though
don't worry sdf never replies to me about performances i recommend him either ;_;
i'll give it a listen though
Thoughts on Beethoven symphonies 1-4?
>>60471361
3 is his best and 2 is underrated.
>>60471239
It's certainly not GOAT status but I find it a very enjoyable listen considering the context
Anyone know what the best recording of stravinsky's rite of spring is?
>>60471484
yeah, that's fine. i listened to a lot of recordings that aren't my favorites.
all my goats need their foils, after all.
>>60471524
schubert
>>60471528
I just remember that SDF requested a non-stodgy development a la Furtwangler and it was the best recording I could think of.
Favorite Wind Ensemble pieces?
>>60471361
Terrible, just like 5-9.
>>60459004
are you guys still updating these mega folders ??
>>60471524
Boulez on Sony is excellent
>>60470624
>>60470720
I'm not saying form isn't important. You can't really have music without it. But I've been to a lot of concerts and I doubt it was ever more than 15% of people in the audience who knew what a rondo or sonata was. Most people just go to listen to some music. The only time a person really learns about form is in a composition class, something relatively few people invest time in.
And this is modern times, with information widely available to anyone who wants to learn. in the late 19th century I would bet that even fewer people were intimately acquainted with musical form. Most people go along because its a social event and you can hear some live music. They dont need to understand the form in the same way a cinema-goer doesn't need to understand how and lenses and lighting work.
>>60471908
Can't go past Mozart's wind writing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBjDdKdq_tQ
>>60471908
I'd like some recs too.
>>60471908
Brahms is pretty nice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dpMMeetFIk
holy shit
/classical/ survived the night
thank you van helsing
>>60477422
it will survive this night too
How do I explain to my Muggle friend that Andre Rieu is complete and utter bullshit?
>>60478785
You should play him some violin pieces other that Strauss and ask him what he feels. If he doesn't react in any way, fuck him.
>>60479526
It's a she, and she's a violinist. Doesn't seem to understand the difference between art and entertainment though.
>>60480450
Whaaat? I can never understand those people.
>>60480492
It's the kind of people who say they don't like Baroque music "because it doesn't sound as nice as classical music". I bet they've never heard a single Bach fugue or canon.
I'm taking her to see Mahler 1 soon though, so hopefully that will change her mind about music.
>>60480713
>they don't like Baroque music "because it doesn't sound as nice as classical music".
Where in the fuck do people say this? I have never heard anyone with this opinion
>>60480713
I can kinda understand the people that are not musicians having those kinds of opinions on classical music. But the musicians, I don't know why are they actually playing. What's the purpose? To show how good of a technique they have?
>>60480740
I've also heard pianists say they only like Chopin from the repertoire they play and nothing else.
What are some of your other favorite genres?
>>60480983
Classic rock only.
>>60481025
Memeing?
>>60480983
Memerap
>>60480763
>>60480740
We're talking amateur musicians here. There's a reason why they're amateurs.
>>60480983
Filipino folk music. Though the guy who wrote most of it was trained in Western classical music.
Also, Ottoman military march music.
>>60481554
I've heard "professional" musicians say stuff like that.
>>60481882
>Filipino folk music
Links to this? Don't want to listen to some pseudo folk shit on youtubes first results that aren't authentic
>>60481516
this desu desu, I can't imagine being a classical listener without loving Raed
Gotterdamerung>Das Rheingold>Siegfried>Die Walkure
Post your ring cycle power rankings
>>60482061
swap rheingold with siegfried and that's basically it
When did you realize Mozart is the god of music and stopped underrating him?
>>60482225
Everyone who exists unconsciously underrates Mozart, because no one can comprehend how amazing his music is
Even Bach, Palestrina, and Schutz were Mozart underraters
Why Stravinsky post 1950's so completely and utterly shit?
>>60482362
because he got obsessed with being on the cutting edge of music and thought that embracing serialism would be the only way he could guarantee himself an important place in modern art music
>>60482362
agon is goat.
>>60482484
Roslavets and Scriabin>Stravinsky desu senpai
>>60482492
Reich go to bed pls
Does anyone have pic related Rameau? I got nothing on rutracker, and these performances are the only ones I find satisfying
>>60482484
So he keked himself with jewish infested Marxist art standards?
>>60482041
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxPVxAhHEKs
This is one of my favorites. I'd link more but I'm in a hurry to bump the thread.
>>60459004
London Symphony Orchestra - Frank Zappa
