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Has there ever been another album so unanimously regarded as the best in it's respective genre?
If you think Loveless is the best shoegaze has to offer you need to seriously listen to a lot more music
>>60449714
Loveless is ass compared to Whirlpool
>>60449714
maybe american football
>>60449741
>>60449748
You both missed the point of the thread.
Anyway, I would say Black Saint and Sinner Lady? Other than that, it might be the only one but I doubt it.
I want to rape someone while playing this album. They'll wake up tied up and I'll turn it on and give them four hard slaps to the face, all in perfect time to the snare intro. Whatever happens after that, I don't care.
>>60449749
not even close lmao
>>60449765
if you're referring to jazz in general, than its Kind of Blue
>>60449741
you forgot to name a better shoegaze album (I've probably listened to it)
>>60449877
Pic related
>>60449930
Yeah. That's a much better shoegaze album.
>>60449930
>shoegaze album
>>60449971
Genres are a social construct tbqhwyfam
>>60449714
>Sargent Peppers
Maybe not on /mu/, but in general this is it.
I don't agree either, but if you want unanimous consent, this is pretty much it.
Or Nevermind, for grunge.
>>60450048
>Or Nevermind, for grunge.
Only people who don't listen to grunge would say that
>>60450042
You're right. If Joe's Garage wants to self identify as a genre fluid shoegaze album then it's ok with me.
>>60450048
>Sgt Pepper
that isn't even unanimously considered the best Beatles album
>Nevermind
grunge isn't a real genre though
>>60450058
name a better "grunge" album
>>60449930
even if this had elements of shoegaze (it doesn't) that wouldn't make it a purely shoegaze album like Loveless or the albums inferior to it
>>60450076
>name a better "grunge" album
Mudhoney - Every Good Boy Deserves Fudge
>>60450074
Cool Jazz? Sure. Jazz overall? Fuck no
>>60450109
nice contrarian opinion, but Superfuzz Bigmuff and their debut album are both better than that one, and neither of those are as good as Nevermind either
![Metal_machine_music[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/kpxGaYz.jpg "Metal_machine_music[1].jpg")
harsh noise
![41TVqfHEA0L[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/7ft0ZDS.jpg "41TVqfHEA0L[1].jpg")
drone metal
Instrumental Hip Hop
>>60450446
You're right
>>60449748
I have never heard a more incorrect opinion, whirlpool is so boring senpai, literally sounds like every other generic shoegaze album
>>60450506
Yeah but then again so does Loveless.
>>60450514
loveless manages to transcend its sameness when placed aside all its copies, while whirlpool is just painfully mediocre
>>60450514
idiot
where the hell do u peasants get these opinions from?
are we listening to the same album with quality headphones?
>>60450514
nah
>>60449741
le epic contrarian face
(youre wrong btw)
Post Punk
>>60450532
In a genre full of mediocre albums, Whirlpool is ahead of the rest, however it's definitely nowhere near Loveless
>>60450577
Yes. We are listening to the same shit album full of it's mediocre pop songs, infantile guitar, shit incomprehensible singing all drowned in a sea of revert and effects that small minded hipster retards like yourself have been latching onto for almost 3 decades now, in order to look novel and innovative.
Yup. The same album. Now please return to your shanty and shut up.
>>60449714
>unanimously
stop that
>>60450796
>>60450742
idiot
>>60450816
I don't think that Since I Left You is Instrumental Hip-Hop.
>>60449776
whats better
>>60450058
and people who actively listen to grunge are usually wastemen so bravo
>>60449930
>>60450836
What an excellent and well thought out retort, Sherlock Holmes.
>>60450636
>implying
>>60449948
loled really hard for some reason
triphop
it's either this or Dummy
HipHop.
The only people who disagree are contrarian or don't know the genre.
>>60450112
Yeah, but Shoegaze is a subgenre of Rock just as much as Cool Jazz is a subgenre of Jazz.
>>60450365
>>60450446
yes
>>60449714
Probably this tho
>>60449749
maybe
>>60450446
true
>>60451356
ehhh
>>60451366
naaah
>>60450076
Either of Hole's first 2 albums is better than any Nirvana
>Rapcore
Rage Against The Machine - s/t
>>60451014
EndSerenading, The North End
>>60450636
Nah it could be Unknown Pleasures
Pic related for new age
I'm gonna say Talk Talk - Laughing Stock for Post-Rock, the only album that can contend with it in that genre is probably Spiderland for how unanimously adored that album is.
If we're being honest though people should pay less attention to Spiderland and more attention to how fucking great Tweez was.
>>60452267
Laughing Stock is not even the most praised Talk Talk album
>>60452295
It is actually, its just everyone on /mu/ decided that Spirit of Eden was better than Laughing stock for Patrishpoints but Laughing Stock is the most unanimously praised over all.
If you want to go by what /mu/ thinks is the best post-rock though it would probably be some boring pretentious shit like Tortoise or GY!BE.
>>60451440
I'm taking your bait personally
>>60451356
Actually you think that because you're white. Still that doesn't change the fact it's probably the best hip-hop album of it's time.
Kissland by The Weeknd. One of the only artist to make over a billion dollars on a world wide tour? I think it's unanimous that other than prince, the weeknd is the best Pr&b or just r&b artist of our generation, possibly of all time. The fact that the nigga wrote all but 3 songs, which only 1 out of the 3 actually charted (I can't feel my face), his voice matched with his surreal and beautiful lyricism creates a musical powerhouse that IMO can't be stopped by anyone in his genre, Frank ocean would be close if anybody, but the weeknd just kinda trumps everybody, and not the "I'm a shitty political puppet " trump either lol
>>60452317
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/talk_talk/spirit_of_eden/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_of_Eden#Critical_reception
http://www.acclaimedmusic.net/Current/A733.htm
Clown.
>>60452380
>taking rym and wikipedia over actual critical and social response to an album
If you're going to take anything away from this conversation please just know that both of those websites are fucking useless for understanding anything about music socially an critically.
I don't know exactly about best, but it stands alongside Loveless as being an album that spawned a genre.
Glam rock
>>60450514
no, every other shoegaze album sounds like loveless
>>60450391
no
>>60450446
yes
>>60451334
true
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>>60452515
>>60450796
Perhaps shoegaze isn't the genre for you.
>>60452694
I don't that the Slider is unanimously considered better than Ziggy, m8.
Regardless Kimono My House is better than either, but I know it doesn't belong in this thread.
>ITT: Everyone ignores the point of the thread and posts their shit opinions.
>>60452729
ITT: fags complain about thread, don't post anything themselves
>>60449714
I would actually argue that this is a better example of "unanimously regarded as the best in the genre"
>>60451366
Nope
>>60452749
Granted, there isn't much competition in the "Sixties Girl Group" genre, and what little there is is still masterminded by Spector.
>>60451366
Black metal is a pretty contentious genre but I think if there's any album for this thread it's probably this one.
>>60452762
I think that works as good proof though. There were shitloads of girl groups in the 60s who had radioplay and who had success but in the end, you're not likely to hear anyone paying homage to the Cookies anytime soon.
>>60452828
No I agree with you, it's definitely the best, just sort of an oddity in regards to other genres because of the stranglehold Spector had on it.
>>60452637
That's because the entire genre is samey garbage.
>>60452865
>That's because all genres are samey garbage.
FTFY, should end all conflict on here, get over it.
>>60452876
No, a lot of other genres actually feature variance in their music. Shoegaze, noise, drone, etc is pretty much all the same shit within the respective genres. You hear one album, you've heard them all.
alternative rock
>>60452888
>No, a lot of other genres actually feature variance in their music
Cognitive dissonance.
All genres are equal in how full of the same shit they are. If you don't believe me, dig more into shoegaze and find the more experimental albums. There a handful, just like every genre.
It's literally true for every genre.
>>60452906
Post your picks then, hilariously incorrect tripfag.
>>60449714
Loveless is entry level as fuck desu senpai.
there's tons of better shoegaze. Loveless was just one of the first to start the genre. It's good but it's more important for its influence than how well it still holds up, because let's be honest it's pretty dated.
>>60452930
Shoegaze in general is dated. It suffered a quick death to Britpop somewhere around the mid-90s and the more modern revival is nothing but derivative nostalgic bandcamp wankery. It will forever be stuck in its own little bubble.
>>60452928
>I don't understand the thread
>>60449741
the rest of shoegaze at the time was britpop shit that you're a pleb for thinking was better. the only good shoegaze now is better described as post-rock.
>>60453017
What are some examples of this good shoegaze?
>>60452727
wew another sparks fan
>>60452727
>Regardless Kimono My House is better than either
/mu/core post.
>>60449714
britpop
>>60453026
marriages/emma ruth rundle, have a nice life, planning for burial, some of the blackgaze stuff, les discrets
>>60452930
actually nowhere or isn't anything started shoegaze, loveless just perfected it. i can't believe you guys have really convinced yourselves you're patrician for preferring the britpop-leaning stuff that was actually more popular at the time
>>60453050
I wouldn't really call that a brit-pop album, and if I was to pick a Brit-pop album for this thread it'd be Pulp's Different Class
>>60453026
I'm not them but as someone who had a massive shoegaze phase spanning many years until slowly phasing to drone/ambient music. Here's some newer shoegaze acts I enjoyed.
Panda Riot
Lovesliescrushing
Fleeting Joys
Cosmicdust
Astrobrite
>>60452515
But...
>>60450268
it's not even harsh noise or good noise faggot
Power electronics.
>>60450268
its p boring
>>60450112
>Kind of Blue
>cool jazz
Why are you on a music forum?
>>60449765
>Black Saint and Sinner Lady
You need to talk to more peoe who aren't Scaruffites.
>>60450796
I've never cared for shoegaze in general but Loveless stands out from the crowd just by virtue of having more chord variety. The little bit of color that comes from a maj7 here and there makes the overall effect less homogeneous than the other major acts.
>>60450636
Only great song is "Spanish Bombs".
>>60449765
Surely A Love Supreme?
>>60453346
My Favorite Things >
>>60452930
jesus fuckin christ
>>60453066
this
>>60451308
What genre is this? Annoying shit?
>>60450506
SEINFELD IS UNFUNNY
Whirlpool predated Loveless and pretty much laid the foundations for the archetypal shugazi sound since. You have to remember that before this we only really had stuff like Loop, Kitchens of Distinction, Cocteau Twins and early My Bloody Valentine. Stuff that's close to shugazi but lack some of the later established elements or overlap a bit too much with other genres.
The only thing that really predates it as "muh true shoegaze" is Ride, and even that gets a lot of retarded flack for sounding like britpop even though that wouldn't become a thing for four more years.
>>60450636
Not even post-punk.
Pleb choice for post-punk is Unknown Pleasures.
>>60452295
>>60452317
Spirit of Eden and Laughing Stock are at the same level, the distribution of people who prefer one or the other is so even it's actually a bit mindboggling. I'm fairly suer the preferred album isn't because of trending, it's just which side happens to be the louder one at the moment.
>>60449714
This is better imo
>>60449714
This is better imo
>>60455287
That's a dream pop album with one shoegaze track.
>>60453326
>You need to talk to more peoe who aren't Scaruffites.
for what it's worth, it's one of the highest rated albums ever on RYM
>>60455209
Both are equally good tbqh and I've no idea why anyone would claim one is objectively better than the other. Personal preference, sure, but they're basically one entity. Best listened to back to back for me
>>60455135
thats really cool that ride and chapterhouse fused their isnt anything influence with the early 90s madchester/britpop sound but what does that have to do with loveless?
its honestly without any bias on an entire higher level of quality within the shoegaze genre, ure delusional if u think that anything but loveless is one of the best shoegaze releases in popular music
dont forget mbv was releasing loveless(-esque) singles, tracks and eps before nowhere and whirlpool were even released
>>60455287
>>60455356
FUCK NO
>>60455804
which do you consider the shoegaze track?
>>60455804
Isn't Anything is just noise pop, there's like one or two tracks in there that could qualify as proper shoegaze. My point was to disprove the guy who said Whirlpool is just generic shoegaze, because it's one of the absolute first shoegaze records.
isnt anything is just as good by the way
i got carried away
both albums are wat shoegaze is all about, not slowdive, etc.
>>60455874
its all fuckin dream pop tbqh
>>60456070
its proto-shoegaze i.e. still shoegaze, isnt anything is like punk shoegaze, psychocandy is noise pop, there IS a difference
like i said ride and co just took that early mbv sound and made it faggot
loveless was the only logical follow-up with its sound that was suppose to come out after isnt anything, an actual progress, not downgraded mess like chapterhouse and lush
anyone with proper headphones is able to hear and tell the obvious difference between mbv and other ''shoegaze'' acts imo
>>60456307
>like i said ride and co just took that early mbv sound and made it faggot
>loveless was the only logical follow-up with its sound that was suppose to come out after isnt anything, an actual progress, not downgraded mess like chapterhouse and lush
This is so fucking retarded I'm not even gonna answer you.
>>60456335
its not tho
my bloody valentine is the only band in shoegaze worth listening to
everything else is disposable trash (excl. jamc if u count them early shoegaze idunno)
>>60453226
>not Bird Seed
literally who doesn't prefer Bird Seed over their entire output
>>60450446
this is my favorite album ever so i agree to be honest
>>60450058
Nevermind is the best grunge album and only hipster mu faggots like you would say otherwise. I bet you actualy believe in utero is even half as good as nevermind baka
>>60451334
>Newfag hasnt heard Angry Kid
Completely redefined the genre just give it time for recognition mark my words
>>60456375
they're just upset because they think chapterhouse/ride/lush/slowdive are the obscure patrician shoegaze bands. what they don't realize is that a) they are all more accessible/were more popular at the time and b) loveless is only more popular now because it stood the test of time. shoegaze is the rare genre where the most popular album (today at least) is genuinely the best and most innovative
itcock and close to the edge are like souvlaki and loveless or the other way around.
>>60451356
I love Illmatic, but that's incorrect.
I'll post the best from each decade:
80s: It Takes A Nation Of Miliions
90s: Midnight Marauders
00s: Madvillainy
Either of these three could be a contender.
>>60449748
it is okay, loveless is clearly better. I don't what you have been taking desu.
>>60451356
It is a good album I like it, but I don't see how it is one of the best hip hop albums of all time.
>>60458128
I would give it to Madvillainy.
>>60449930
kek
Every shoegaze albums after Loveless sounds like a shallow, cheap imitation or failed attempt at expanding what is already infinite. Loveless has production that only tens of thousands of dollars and hours of meticulous, perfectionist craft could achieve, and nothing has come remotely close since.
>>60458487
?
when you sleep is the best song ever made
>>60458532
objectively false but go ahead and hold that opinion...
>>60458487
>Loveless has production that only tens of thousands of dollars and hours of meticulous, perfectionist craft could achieve, and nothing has come remotely close since.
And yet all the songs sound the same.
>>60458601
>And yet all the songs sound the same.
you might actually be tone deaf
Loveless is the best shoegaze album by such a large margin that it should be considered a different genre altogether.
Nothing has come close. It seems that every shoegaze band after completely forgot about the psychedelic aspect of MBV's sound in their cheap imitations, which is what separates Loveless and the rest of MBV's stuff from everything else shoegaze.
>>60450636
but that's not even a post punk album
>>60451356
probably fits with OPs idea of "being considered the best hip hop album" by a majority of hip hop fans
a lot of other albums come close though, think 36 chambers, ready to die etc.
>>60452317
>boring pretentious shit like tortoise
K I L L Y O U R S E L F
>>60458005
could you share a sample
>>60458532
Best pop track for sure.
>>60453226
>not Erector
>>60453326
>only great song is Spanish Bombs
are you actually being serious? and you're asking people why they're on a music forum?
>Guns of Brixton
>Lost in the Supermarket
are much, much better songs, even though Spanish Bombs is great.
>>60458669
Tortoise have one track that they've somehow managed to turn into an entire shitty career.
Yeah Djed is fine but after that all you're left with is albums worth of material imitating it.
>>60458009
ure so right, i agree wholeheartedly
why cant i come up with these a's and b's on the spot?
>>60458487
god bless
>>60458518
no
>>60458532
i only said is my personal fav
>>60458601
idiot
>>60458626
>that it should be considered a different genre altogether.
ive been saying this forever now
>It seems that every shoegaze band after completely forgot about the psychedelic aspect of MBV's sound in their cheap imitations, which is what separates Loveless and the rest of MBV's stuff from everything else shoegaze.
mah nig
>>60452317
>Tortoise
>boring
Agree with GY!BE though
>>60458626
agreed, or rather the other shoegaze albums/artists should be given a different name. everyone understands that smashing pumpkins are just a shoegaze-influenced alt rock band, but when it comes to bands like ride people seem hesitant to call them a shoegaze-influenced pop rock/britpop band, which is what they are.
maybe I'm just a fanboy, but I honestly think mbv were just way more inspired than any other shoegaze band. there's a certain mystique about them. ultimately there's a reason no one could ever quite emulate kevin shield's sound, and there's a reason why shit like this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsFZCRuA4Qs) exists for him but not neil halstead or andy bell. no one gives a shit about finding out how they made their music.
don't get me wrong, the other bands had some truly great pop songwriters, but that's their main appeal. they weren't innovative like mbv.
Yeah, Illmatic by Nas.
>>60458778
TNT and Millions Now Living are completely different albums. I like TNT a lot more. Millions Now Living wasn't even their first album, that'd be their Self Titled, which was also positively received.
DJed is such a special track because most of their discography doesn't sound like that at all. DJed is strongly influenced by Steve Reich, but most of Tortoises catalogue is just instrumental rock without any pretension. They sound more like Gastr Del Sol than Millions Now Living.. era Tortoise on their other albums.
You're a fucking retard and probably haven't even listened to their catalogue. Fuck off.
>>60452267
tweez wasn't really post-rock, though. i mean technically spiderland wasn't either (it was just a huge influence on the genre), but they are two very different albums. spiderland is drawn out and moving, but tweez is short, loud and unsettling
>>60459031
Why does Kevin Shields look perpetually sad now? Is it because he'll never be with Bilinda again?
>>60452267
>Spiderland or Tweez
>Post-Rock
shit opinion
>>60459031
agreed
>>60459137
i think he has become ''asexual'' after belinda break up
i think he really loved her, like convinced himself she was the love of his life
or he has been fuckin bitches on the side since the break up idunno
i dont want to overrate kevin shields but wat he did in the late 80s and early 90s was truly groundbreaking stuff, peak of rock music and perhaps even music in general imo
>>60458518
I absolutely love Luminous Orange, Every Single Child is my jam!
>>60458801
>>60459031
Any shoegaze recs friends?
>>60459378
mbv
jamc, cocteau twins
slowdive, spacemen 3, lush, curve, chapterhouse debut, ride first two, loop, astrobite, have a nice life...
http://youtu.be/hICZBcNro6c (the very first shoegaze song imo)
http://youtu.be/Q6FMksGpDLM
http://youtu.be/3MYPWBU7fTY
http://youtu.be/ltynD92F4vg
http://youtu.be/HiuFNyUZ9VI
http://youtu.be/qbCn_BvYrhE
http://youtu.be/-Zll3tj5hDY
http://youtu.be/64M_AKe3XVk
http://youtu.be/mnGeWTxaCPs
http://youtu.be/25arcricAy4
shoegaze, dream pop, noise pop, ethereal wave, neo-psychedelia, space rock, psych rock...
also check this and its artists/bands out http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/various_artists_f2/yellow_loveless/
http://youtu.be/Lbf8h3sykiw
<3
>>60460217
Not him but thank you for this.
