better than In the Court of the Crimson King? for me yes
>>60332918
yes
Not even close
It says it right there on the album
Close
>>60332918
nope
could be on par though, but Anderson's shitty voice of a homosexual chipmunk ruins it
>>60332931
>>60332927
gee willikers
>>60332918
yeah but KC isn't even that great of a band IMO. They have some great songs but a lot of bullshit
both are quite boring tho desu senpai
>>60332918
it's ok, Court is shitty though
>>60332918
Yes
>>60332918
This, Crimson King, Thick as a Brick and Selling England are the Holy trinity of prog
I prefer fragile desu
>>60333304
>Holy trinity
>four albums
Am i being memed here?
>>60332927
to the edge XD
The title track and siberian khatru are easily as good as the best moments of itcock, but and you and i is equal to the bland moments on moon child or i talk to the wind.
>>60332935
u wot desu
>>60333354
this though, and kc's best albums were the bruford/wetton trio
>>60332931
This
>>60332946
>>60333252
Go away
Objectively? No
Personally? Yes
>>60332918
Quite possibly. I prefer King Crimson's vocalist on their first album better than Yes' though. I think he was the guy from ELP, not sure.
>>60332918
No.
>>60333982
Yeah, it was Greg Lake. Great vocalist and bass player
>>60333304
>No Rush
You used to love Rush, dad.
>>60334272
Rush aren't really that special when it comes to progressive rock. Great bassist though.
>>60334346
No bully to hemispheres dad.
>>60332918
this album is pure shit
Stupid comment: In the Court of the Crimson King is impossible find online for some reason. Not on Spotify, not completely on Last.fm, not even YouTube. I listen at work, so I don't want to pirate everything. Help a bro out.
Killer Yes album though
>>60334346
neither are fucking cardiacs
>>60332918
CTTE is better than ITCOTCK, but King Crimson on the whole are infinitely better than Yes.
>>60334534
Buy it. Fripp doesn't let his music go on streaming services (a lot of websites aren't even allowed to display their album artwork), so your only choices are to pay for it or pirate it.
>>60332918
Listen to the first and third soft machine albums, then you can discuss prog.
>>60334534
Robert Fripp has a well known phobia of piracy, and he thinks stopping online distribution will somehow bring in more young fans and stop illegal downloading.
>>60334606
>Listen to the first and third soft machine albums, then you can discuss prog.
HOLY SHIT ARE YOU SERIOUS
THE SELF-AWARENESS IS ZERO
>>60332918
Not really. But ITCOTCK is the first real prog album I ever heard, so I'm probably biased.
>>60333304
>4 albums
>No Pink Floyd
Is this some sort of ruse?
>>60334534
You must not have been looking hard; this was on the first page of Google. Either way here ya go.
https://vimeo.com/135162705
>>60334534
Fripp hates having his shit online
>>60334534
Fripp is a kek so it's not available for streaming services
>>60334560
A Little Man and Sing to God have a very original style, so yes, they are pretty special.
>>60334623
Floyd isn't really relevant when it comes to progressive rock.
>>60334717
how is gentle giant + madness (the band) + early devo in any way original
>>60334741
Sing to God is very original, and not really comparable to those bands.
A Little Man introduced a circus feeling to progressive rock (even if it was unintentional), so you already have a tiny bit of originality. Second, the combination of progressive rock and (ska) punk rock, who has adds further more to album's originality.
>>60334534
el barber loco has their entire discography in 320 i think. fripp is out of touch and thinks piracy is killing music.
>>60334847
A Little Man is a good album, regardless of whether it's original, but how can you claim it introduced the circus theme to prog rock?
What about King Crimson- Lizard, Emerson Lake and Palmer- Brain Salad Surgery, Frank Zappa, tons of Jazz Fusion albums, etc.?
>>60332918
Holy shit this album sucks.
The best progressive rock album is Kid A/thread
>>60335284
Original and creative music is good music.
None of those bands introduced a circus feeling, the only one that comes close is Lizard, but it's very little.
>>60334847
>A Little Man introduced a circus feeling to progressive rock
so what
madness introduced circus music to ska rock 8 years before
>>60335284
dont mind him he just likes le jerk random prog
barely a prog fan
>>60335479
AMG is a bigger prog fan than you holmes.
Looking for specific qualities makes you more patrician (if you fucking will).
>>60335507
droning various rym users to the bone does not make you a prog fan
>>60335457
Still original when it comes to progressive rock.
>>60335479
I like all kinds of prog. I would bet I like prog more than you do, even.
>>60335519
I only used to "drone" one. I don't do that anymore. Even then, that's not a bad thing, since his taste used to align with mine.
>>60335587
dont lie to yourself you tranny you probably have Fastro herkyjerky and Tovan bookmarked and probably open in your tab right now
>>60335479
>>60335407
I actually like Av-Math-God, I just think saying the Cardiacs introduced circus music to rock is one the most cartoonish thing ever.
So much jazz music tries to have a circus feel, and with progressive rock pretty much stemming from jazz, there's a pretty good amount of "circus music" in the genre.
This is the best KC album
ITCOTCK s/t track is a total filler
And You And I is boring at times
both are equal.
>>60335644
This is true.
test
>>60335708
One test, coming up.
*What 3 albums established the genre of free jazz?
*Which well known tripfag supposedly died of chemical poisoning earlier this year?
*Who wrote "the book of love?"
>>60335407
Cirkus shouldn't really count.
>>60335834
Well there's also three other songs on that album which fit the bill. It's overall a very cirkusy album.
>>60335612
HerkyJerky is love
HerkyJerky is life
Not too much into the others, but not bad anyways.
>>60335631
I said progressive rock, not rock.
I'm aware of albums from the 50s that introduced circus music to their genres (Mingus' Clown).
The thing is that no prog rock band has done it before Cardiacs. Even if they did, that's not what my main argument was about (Cardiacs being an original band.
>>60335644
It's my favorite, but not their best.
>>60335834
What do you mean?
>>60335865
Lizard isn't. Cirkus (despite it's name) isn't too. Don't remember much from the other songs of the album though.
>>60335872
Apart from that song (because the name is the only thing that is actually related to a "circus" feeling ambience), I couldn't see Lizard as circus feeling album in any way.
>>60335872
>>60335888
This whole argument is feeling kinda goalposty. Several bands introduced hurdy gurdy organs and Entrance of the Gladiators style horn breaks associated with circus music, and when I bring them up, you define circus music as "that which sounds like that one Cardiacs album."
>>60332918
Yes, much better.
>>60335924
Yes, that's what I'm saying.
>>60335926
Tell me where those bands have a circus like music. See this post btw >>60335924
>>60332918
Why do you all treat bands like fucking wrestlers? "My band is better because it can do x". No reason to make this a dick measuring contest, you didn't write the album.
Yes and King Crimson are very different and each have their unique flavor. "Close to the edge" has amazing song writing and a lot of rythmic themes that are interlocked, so that each song becomes sort of a clockwork. In the court of the crimson king is more melody focused, and easier on the ear (for me). The atmosphere it evokes doesn't come from complexity but rather well timed simplicity, it is awesome. Each song is a story that can't only be heard but also felt emotionally.
>>60336109
Yes, we know. But some of us enjoy ranking albums. Thank you for your comprehension.
>>60336151
What's the point though, I mean I have my personal top ten, too, but it is purely subjective, you can't really agree on anything. Why not just you know, discuss music? I am new to this board so I don't really get what you all do here
>>60335983
Going through "A Little House" I don't see how the horns on that album are more circus-like than:
*Invocation & Ritual Dance of the Young Pumpkin and Amnesia Vivace in Frank Zappa- Absolutely Free
*Cirkus, Happy Family, and the title track form King Crimson- Lizard
*Arzachel's self titled album.
>>60336200
Comparing different artists and releases to each other (by actually talking about the music, not by posting " X > Y > Z" or "X is for plebs) is musical discussion.
>>60336233
Not to forget Emerson Lake and Palmer- Karn Evil 9
>>60336200
How music interacts with you is entirely subjective, but there are some things you can measure and discuss. And some artists put obvious artist themes into their works, which you can compare on a fairly objective level.
>>60332931
You should be a comedian.
>>60336200
We (or at least me) are not saying with albums are our favorites and why, but which ones we consider to be better.
What's the point? It's music discussion. It's exciting, fun, and helps us to learn and understand.
>Why not just discuss music?
That's exactly what we are doing.
>>60336233
Invocation has no circus music at all. It's even a cover of Gustav Holst's Jupiter.
Tell me where Cirkus and Lizard have circus like moments. I can listen to those right now.
Haven't listened to Arzachel.
>>60336304
There's nothing circus like about Karn Evil.
>>60336435
>hasnt listened to Arzachel
i listened to that before i knew who king crimson were. i told you, you just like shitty herky prog
>>60336109
I only listen to music to make myself feel superior to other people. In all honesty, I don't actually like King Crimson or Yes, but it makes my day to win an argument saying that one is better than the other.
>>60336470
I'm aware of them, I just haven't listened to them yet.
I like all kinds of progressive rock, so you are objectively wrong.
Does anyone have an interview (or anything close to something like that) where Fripp explains why he doesn't have his shit online? I'm curious to hear the words from the man himself.
>>60336435
The overly processed organ on Cirkus meant to invoke big top circus imagery does a better job bringing to mind a circus than anything on A Little Man, as does the last ~7 minutes of lizard. I'm not sure what imagery on that album is supposed to be circus-like, and why that doesn't apply to the albums I mentioned.
>>60332918
I'd say no, but I'm so glad they both exists.
By far, and I love In the Court of the Crimson King. Listening to Close to the Edge evokes the feeling of a religious experience. By the final verse in the title track, I feel like I've reached the peak of an incredible journey and have been given knowledge that I now an to take with me. The final "I get up, I get down" feels like standing on a hill over a magnificent landscape and then jumping into an unknown realm of wonders. The transition from that song into the sublime And You and I is so serene and mesmerizing. Everything about Close to the Edge is absolute perfection. I can't think of one thing superior in music without getting into straight up classical like Debussy. The birds calling in the very beginning while one call begins to rise above the rest is perfection; Like a songbird in your heart crying out to be awakened.
>>60336233
Even Semiramis and other italian prog bands used that in the 70s.
>>60337634
I sure do hope that this is pasta
Close to the Edge is really uplifting and lovely
ITCOCK is manic and sad
>>60337634
The funny thing about this is that Yes is so clearly superior to Debussy.
I spent a long time not really 'getting' Close to the Edge, and now that I totally get it I find it hard to compare to ITCOTKC, something I 'got' immediately. CTTE is far far far more complex and more intricately written, you can dissect some of those songs for days. In the Court is more emotive and contains some great free playing. Both have sections that are a bit bleh. I'm leaning towards KC, but that's just because I value emotions a bit over wankiness, but both are excellent. They sort of represent the two opposing sides of classic prog IMO
>>60338639
u wot? Close to the Edge is emotional af
>when they all join at the end with I GET UP, I GET DOOOOOOOWN
>>60338669
That moment sort of kills me mood, to be honest. It's all about that bass line and how it interacts with the other instruments!
Also, the intro (the part after the birds), when in the middle of the tension climax, all the members go and sing the same note simultaneously. Pure bliss.
>>60332918
>mfw Hampus called this masterpiece boring dad rock
Greatest underrated prog coming through
>>60339711
Who fucking cares
Yeah.
ITCOTCK is incredibly overrated, Larks' Tongues in Aspic and Red are much better.
>>60333927
>Thinking music can be judged objectively
Please, tripfaggot.
>>60337634
>Close to the Edge evokes the feeling of a religious experience.
Considering Yes has gone on record saying the album was inspired heavily by Siddhartha, I'm pretty sure that was their exact intention.
Close To The Edge and Fragile are the only prog rock albums that aren't embarrassingly corny at times. I like King Crimson, but every one of their albums is a bunch of corny filler derived from whatever Robert Fripp convinced himself was popular and a few amazing instrumental sections that make the product as a whole worthwhile.
>>60340663
embarrassment is subjective
>>60340677
Hand claps in One More Red Nightmare and the lyrics on Red as a whole are an exception. Studies have shown that all well adjusted adults find these two things extremely embarrassing.
>>60340663
Try Relayer.
>>60340747
well theyre plebs then
embrace cheese
>>60332918
finish the sentence anon
>>60340750
CHAACHAACHAAAAA CHACHA
CHAACHAACHAAAAA CHACHA
CHAACHAACHAAAAA CHACHA
Supper's Ready is the best prog song of all time tho
>>60340568
Ugh...
>>60339899
"underrated"
Just like Eloy and Dylan
>>60340876
CHAA CHAA CHAAAA CHA CHA
>>60340908
If we had to choose for a best instead of favorite, it would be Henry Cow's War.
>>60333927
>Thinking music can be judged subjectivelly
Please, tripfaggot.
>>60332918
while in the court of the crimson king is a landmark and important album, both close to the edge and fragile are better albums and it isn't even a question.
personally I like king crimson over all better and consider Robert fripp an absolute legend I think those two yes albums stand alone and are incredibly special
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/vote-for-the-2016-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-inductees-20151008
on a side note yes are on the ballot to be inducted into the rock and roll hall of fame and we should all ban together to vote them in. its already absolutely disgusting how much they turn their back to prog but this is a real chance to get a deserving one in. chris squire fucking died man, him and his band deserve to be honored. might give the RnR hall of fame some credibility for once
>>60335644
I like them all, but THRAK is bester than Discipline.
>>60340959
If we are going best, I'd say King Crimson's Larks Tongues In Aspic part 1
>>60340663
Try Pink Floyd's Animals.
>>60332918
Honestly their album fragile is better.
>>60344188
Fragile is barely as good as Going For the One. Except Going For the One didn't have unnecessary filler on it. And that's all aside from Close to the Edge simply being a masterpiece that very few artists have come close to matching aside from Yes. Your post is just absurd.
This is actually Yes's second best album, because it contained impeccable songwriting that carried the themes of spiritual self discovery and awakening in a way that was direct and relatable, and without filler. I feel like Fragile was them collecting themselves with the new lineup so that they could pull off Close to the Edge. This just feels stronger and more cohesive than Fragile to me. They sound so natural and free here.
I GET UUUUP
>>60344377
Going for the One only had Awaken going for it. Fragile (even it's "filler") has nothing but killer moments
better than the ConstruKction of Light? for me yes
Relayer is the best Yes album.
>>60345281
What's so fun about this meme? That you're not saying Close to the Edge?
>>60332918
tough call, but i think it is
I GET DOOOOWN
