INDIA EDITION #2
Since we decided it would be best to go with themes for each /trad/, let's start with the most well known music tradition outside the western - Indian music. From classical to village music, everything is welcome, of course. Discuss outside influences on Indian music, or discuss how it has influenced other cultures. Come with listening suggestions. Anything related to Indian music tradition! You're still allowed to discuss other traditional music as well, of course.
A few basic listening recommendations (some are uploaded to my trad folder, ask if you want one that isn't):
Angaraag Papon Mahanta - Gomseng
Asad Ali Khan - Ragas Purvi & Joyiga
Begum Akhtar - Begum Akhtar
Ramnad Krishnan - Vidwan: Music of South India - Songs of the Carnatic Tradition
VA - Vocal Music Of Rajasthan: Langas And Manganiyars
VA - Anthology of Indian Classical Music
>LEARNS
Finding musics: http://www.folkways.si.edu/
Books: https://mega.nz/#F!Zhx3RK4S!uTO7cvw0dVnA-79mbcqIsA
Various useful links: http://www.ethnomusicology.org/?Resources_Links
>HEARS
Hampus' uploads: https://mega.nz/#F!095RxbjT!L70EOLIUfZjS_f3D7YKfsg
Alan Lomax's recordings: http://research.culturalequity.org/home-audio.jsp
Finding musics: http://www.folkways.si.edu/
SLSK Room: /trad/
Unfortunately I have to study the entire day, and will be doing so in school, so I can't be very active until much later. But at least here is a thread for you all!
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Recently discovered a good duo from China, The Guo Brothers. Their album "Yuan" is beautiful (Chinese harps, bamboo flutes and dulcimers )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCO4odQrqJg
How do you feel about westerners learning how to play traditionally cultural instruments that they don't belong to? I recently purchased a sitar and I was telling a very liberal friend about it, and he called me racist and said I was appropriating Palestinian culture (he's not very smart). I don't believe culture can be appropriated and as music is a universal thing across all cultures, I see no problem with me learning how play the sitar. I'm looking for anyone who disagrees with me to tell me in an intelligent manner, as I've not heard or seen a good argument about this yet.
>>60176337
> (he's not very smart)
This.
Don't feel uncomfortable with that, trad music has always traveled and been enriched by new influences. As instruments.
>>60176337
hm, I actually think the opposite is the case
I don't see how being interested in other countrie's cultures can be seen as racist
first bump..
>>60176213
nice, going to download the album
>>60176337
some of them are ok, but they're no way as good as a native studying since childhood
>>60176337
your friend is retarded
>>60176438
>>60177161
I know he's dumb, especially when he said I was stealing from Palestinian culture, when the sitar in its current state is an Indian instrument, and evolved from Persian instruments.
I'm still gonna learn it, and I recognize I won't be as good as, say, Nikhil Banerjee or Ravi Shankar, but it is still something that I think is fun, and has a much weaker emphasis on structure, as opposed to the violin and other classical Western instruments.
>>60177819
on the other hand, keeping time is a lot more hardcore than in most western music. you don't need a math phd but still
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>>60177052
2nd
https://youtu.be/UfjxtcNYKz4
bumping this shit while I still study for a while longer.
Are there only three people here? I think /trad/ general threads were more attractive
Maybe the theme shouldn't be at the beginning of the title..
>>60181214
There's 9 IPs in this thread, but yeah that is pretty much par for these threads.
>Maybe the theme shouldn't be at the beginning of the title..
We hade a huge meta thread the other day where we decided that themed threads were the way to go to instigate interest.
Radio India- The Eternal Dream Of Sound
>music from Indian radio
>Ragas, Bollywood breaks, electric guitars, chenai and violin bliss, creepy folk songs and top-notch vocalists.
https://mega.nz/#!zVgUzCwT!EbhgKEuWF0jXztLlkMRmT8oqyemk5DDO02O-_9renQM
sample: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W9yEpix2dE
>>60181522
Remember Shakti - Live At Montreux Jazz Festival [2004]
>Hindustani classical, Carnatic classical, fusion, live
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UCzdM2tt-Q
https://mega.co.nz/#!idk23ZBB!Ve8JDFFO0cwtvWwLV8KTxLUWPteO-vNFqXfqvGa_DkI
Does anyone know more good raga where the focus is on vocals?
John Handy & Ali Akbar Khan - Rainbow
>saxophone, Hindustani classical, Carnatic classical, Indian classical, jazz, fusion
Saxophonist John Handy plays with Indian classical legends Ustad Ali Akbar Khan (sarod) and Dr. L. Subramaniam (violin).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKm5h9nNXNM
https://mega.nz/#!mMNXzJyY!B-qHlPp0bqOfhLs4AynXl2HMqIeD2XWVUXVoJxkJtDA
>>60181710
Alice Coltrane - Journey In Satchidananda
>Eastern jazz, ”stoner jazz”, uses Indian traditional instruments to create a shimmering atmosphere.
https://mega.co.nz/#!BRtQQJ7S!RU5cp14P4EgFZVqyYHjmZgBJXe0D-LNwQuRk2Q9p1sY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWIJW_gcd_Y
>>60181871
Béla Fleck, Zakir Hussain, Edgar Meyer - The Melody of Rhythm [2009]
>Bela Fleck, Zakir Hussain, Edgar Meyer (for people searching and forgetting the acute accent on é)
>banjo, tabla, double bass, jazz, fusion, instrumental, world music
Three masters of their respective instruments, backed up by the Detroit Symphony Orchestra
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsoNIYLj9qM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F3xA291qRY
https://mega.co.nz/#!ok0DEArI!loqF7DZmZd7GeRWjBkPSIKVID0YeApv5OgCwksjBknE
>>60181914
Buddy Rich & Alla Rakha - Rich À La Rakha [1968]
>Hindustani classical, Indian classical, jazz, tabla, drums, fusion
A collaboration between one of the greatest jazz drummers and one of the greatest tabla virtuosos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMipm_SlhK4
https://mega.nz/#!2It3lTRB!g85pJtwEVXjHr-chPRujftCZ7J3TFIebfZLAYjk4o9o
>>60181934
http://www1.zippyshare.com/v/48190624/file.html
Charles Lloyd- Sangam (2006)
>avant-garde, improv, world
>Allaboutjazz.com reviewer Matt Cibula probably summed it up best with his quote-“this album captures the three grooviest motherfuckers in the world, all playing together perfectly, and it deserves some serious consideration as what ESPN would call "an instant classic.”” Lloyd plays a variety of woodwinds (as well as percussion and piano) with Harland and Hussein contributing on a wide variety of percussion as well. It’s groove-based improvisation with a world-jazz tinge.
>>60181987
Diga Rhythm Band - Diga [1976]
>tabla, drums, bongo, duggi, dumbek, talking drum, percussion-driven, world music, Hindustani classical, Indian classical, fusion
A short-lived 70s world music ensemble fronted by Mickey Hart from the Grateful Dead and Ustad Zakir Hussain. As far as I can tell, they only ever released this one album and it's brilliant. Jerry Garcia from the Grateful Dead plays the guitar on a couple of tracks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkubRK-RRUQ
https://mega.co.nz/#!WYtxHDBb!EaVgWYnONuczpvnIq7hedFgr1McrDrTakb4PMZERU_s
>>60182047
Indukti - S.U.S.A.R.
>mostly instrumental progressive metal, devoid of useless wankery and has great violins, features vocals by Mariusz Duda from Riverside
https://mega.nz/#F!2Jc0lLqb!Ocy3OoSXHrRb1GLEbZU1Gg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6cgSwTT3aA
I included this because it draws heavily from southeast-asian rhythms and melody.
>>60181522
>>60181578
>>60181710
>>60181871
>>60181914
>>60181934
>>60181987
>>60182047
>>60175879
I'm somewhat uncertain of what you're doing here.
>>60181666
What you want is music from the kirana ghirana. Check my uploads folder, there are four albums or so there which focuses on that school.
>>60182173
I'm obviously just posting the archive.
>>60182213
W-what archive?
>>60182229
from the archive* ... the only one.
>>60182255
What? Why?
>>60182268
Because those albums weren't in your mega? What's the issue?
>>60182290
I mean, you're posting American jazz music, and not really contributing anything meaningful to the thread at all. Like, I'm glad someone is bumping it, but what's the point? If you want to share that isn't directly related to the thread and with no real context, put stuff into a folder on mega and just share that entire folder isntead.
>>60182312
Ahhhh, you can't stomach fusion. You have a funny attachment to controlling this thread.
>>60182347
No, I'm just thinking that American jazz music doesn't belong in /trad/, and that you're not making any meaningful contributions by spamming albums without context. These aren't supposed to be share threads, they're supposed to be discussion threads. If someone wants a download link for music, they can either find it themselves or request it.
"DING DING DAGEGADADA
RAGEDAGADADADADAADAD
DADA RAGEDEDING"
>>60176337
>a very liberal friend
>(he's not very smart)
Now there's a shocker.
>>60176441
The r-word is a meme you doublenigger.
>>60182384
Yeah, because there was no previous conversation to lead of off and I don't have an interest in explaining why this music is great. If people are looking, then they will appreciate the shares.
லால்குடி ஜயராம [Lalgudi Jayaraman] - Violin
>Carnatic Classical Music
Lalgudi Jayaraman’s live Violin performance consists of a spiritual, meditative 1-hour long stream of Carnatic bliss, and two shorter performances. His violin oozes such a warm and enveloping sound, and displays otherworldly talent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8Kl2y4nlTo
https://mega.co.nz/#!uQBglAJL!wRIM4VSrivXqtbJBQQgXTmDVYPPgkM1LV91R3YIq6IQ
>>60182433
Here is some amazing non-western meditation music. Very good, respect it, respect OP, respect thread LAW.
Shivkumar Sharma & Rahul Sharma - The Golden Heritage [1997]
>santoor, Hindustani classical, Indian classical
>Pandit Shivkumar Sharma and his son and disciple Rahul Sharma, both playing the santoor
https://mega.co.nz/#!WM8xCSAR!X9k32x7gxEPYMLoo0FOFJem6gFFAYosrmJEXlI2Eqws
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Tvu2D4ljSQ
all you warhol drones are gay as fuck
>>60182555
oooh this is very nice
shivkumar is a fucking master, the santoor is such a beautiful instrument
have you heard Call of the Valley?
here's some amazing sitar and vocal ragas that I just found. Recording is subpar, but it's pretty old so it can be forgiven.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG-B1JO8zAY
will upload when I get home this evening
>>60181666
you might like this
>>60184548
You're right, I do thanks
just gonna keep posting neat records I find until I get back home.
I'm enjoying this quite a bit rn, I think it's one of the longest ragas I've ever sat through.
Imrat Khan - Raga Darbari
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QH4wGbHHs8
>>60184712
here's some more for ya buddy
Ustad Amir Khan - Raga Hansdhwani
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtX2AbX2s_4
I found this useful list of definitions of key terms used in Hindustani music.
http://www.itcsra.org/sra_glossary_index.html
>>60184712
some beautiful female vocals in this one, something I don't encounter too often
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94jeRmo8Ofk
Imrat Khan - Sitar & Surbahar
https://mega.nz/#F!5YEBUKLA!knIXA2oSaU0Ncasl5f8nHQ
Abdul Halim Jaffer Khan - Sitar Through the Ages
https://mega.nz/#F!YQcDhLqK!mgdvCILOWo8KnMbWPKwwUA
Sorry, not related to india, but does anyone have any recs for collections of traditional music of Norway?
Girija Devi - Inde Du Nord: Girija Devi en Concert
https://mega.nz/#F!cUsmXBBJ!ZqosGLNNenVl1puONe44Vg
>>60179448
this is great
Is this considered a classic?
>>60189798
>Hindustani Classical record
>asks if it is a classic
>>60190071
a classic in the hindustani world
nevermind
>>60189798
and yes, I think that is commonly considered a classic of the genre
Zakir Hussain with Krishna Bhatt - Kirwani
https://mega.nz/#F!NVliELpQ!E-kvvVOiFIK428bPwmxcXQ
>>60189798
beautiful cover
>>60190156
yeah, wish i could go there with the music one day
>>60190156
Call of the Valley along with pic related are probably the two most aesthetically pleasing /trad/ record covers
>>60190239
idk i really like this one.
>>60191173
this one too
Amir Khan - Raga Hansdhwani & Raga Malkauns
https://mega.nz/#F!0UNCnbzK!iKMjWvpuCEGYRglH2YRYpw
last bump for the night
>>60179948
That's so intense
lmp
>>60187289
Bjarne Herrefoss - Draumespel (Buen Kulturverkstad, 2011)
Odd Bakkerud - Hardingfele (ta:lik, 2005)
VA - Nordisk sang: Music of Norway (New Albion Records, 1991)
>>60182385
An accurate representation of tala.
>>60196992
That Bakkerud album is really good. The hardingfele is an amazing instrument.
hi strangers
i just listened to dj cheb i sabbbah's first album and thought it was dope
and just heard table beat science for the first time . . . any thoughts on the current edge? is there one?
http://www.grimeriotdisco.com/#
http://wordsoundpower.org/lab.html
http://www.thewildcity.com/EN/music.xhtml/article/6204-wild-city-080-dj-mocity
>>60197114
Yeah it's brilliant. Bjarne Herrefoss is also a player of the hardinfele, so if you liked Bakkerud you should hear Draumespel as well.
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Modern klezmer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZU5En14C1A0
got some more ragas for you guys.
Omkarnath Thakur - Raga Todi & Malkauns
https://mega.nz/#F!ZIEWEIyT!aCylCXth5Xjh0CUwpb-2_g
Any of you /trad/ experts got Italian traditional music recommendations?
>>60187136
Really interesting sitar work!
>>60200470
yeah I listened to it last night and it really blew me away.
at some points it almost sounds like a transcription of western classical with all the harmonies and the use of the bilawal scale
lol stop pretending you like any of this shit and go listen to beach house or something yall
bunch of tryhards
>>60200631
I grew up enjoying music from almost every genre/nationality and I don't intend for that to cease, too bad you missed the culture wagon. Also, the new Beach House was pretty lame. This probz just bait but you sound like a little kid.
>>60200470
Here's some more by him, although it is more standard solo sitar + tabla stuff
abdul halim jaffer khan - jafferkhani baaz
https://mega.nz/#F!dFUzDRCQ!rReo1O-V6JCl1dKoL6OX2A
Indian trad with beautiful female vocals and string sections
Kishori Amonkar - Samarpan the Joy of Surrender
https://mega.nz/#F!cV0BgLTa!GQtecs_jLkUotBst87jqgw
>>60200631
project more loser
>>60175879
>>60175879
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>>60202033
You're a bro, forreal. Do you know any more stuff with harmonium?
>>6020236
this Girija Devi performance has some nice harmonium playing in it, unfortunately I haven't been able to find a download for it yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHGQ1XfwLGg
>>60202366
>>60202499
meant for you
>>60202499
this shits amazing dude, thanks !
>>60187782
>>60202618
np, here's some more of her if you're interested.
She has an incredible voice. I've always been fond of the female vocal styles in Hindustani music, it's so hypnotizing.
Maarja Nuut - Estonia
This song killed me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lAu3OfsxAk
>>60202864
go ahead and post man
i'm a fan of Aruna Sairam but this womans amazing too, her beeing old adds a lot to it. Youger female singers often seem to have a colder voice. With the exception of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sem0gQ4uJ4U
Found this fantastic website on Hindustani Classical, really gets into the details of how a raga is structured.
>>60203177
good stuff man, I'm really digging this
>>60202864
I'm not too well versed in Eastern European trad but this song is great.
>>60203115
>>60203583
fuck, quoted the wrong person again
>>60202366
shilpa ray, formerly of beat the devil . . . .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PofLuZJxkVQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fA0D-9pEn44
Any recommendations for rowdy, grittier Indian music? I like Qawwali, and Rajasthani(specifically Kabelia) music.
>>60203583
send link of website which explains raga pliz :)
>>60204637
Oh shit I forgot to attach the link
I'm all over the place today
http://raag-hindustani.com/
Here ya go
>>60206048
Superb album, thanks. I love the scintillating sound of santur
>>60204536
wow, are you me?? I said basically the same thing in the previous thread
the Qawwali I like the most is by Badar Ali Khan (Nusrat's cousin):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABWzpAnZn8A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ-JOSWuqlA
and I have a few Rajasthani folk albums from the 60's (?) from the Ocora label I probably upload to youtube.
I wonder why Ocora doesn't reissue their old releases. does it mean they've lost the rights for doing so? (but they recorded them!) or are they just letting their award-winning earliest recordings languish in obscurity for no good reason at all...
JEsus i totally feel like postin someithng good tonight, but Im way toodrunk. Perhaps this state is a good look into how little i actally know avbout music, eventough i wish iwt was more
goonna listen to some dank indian stuff before i goto sleep tho
>>60208109
man fucjk ocora
it's quitee possiblyonne ot the greatest labels, but for some reaosna bunch of htier releases are nowhere to be found, legal or otherwise. if they releasesd their entire catalogue right now for oder Iäd probably buy it
>>60208440
>>60208538
if there's something specific you've been looking for that you haven't found yet, there's at least a possibility that I may have downloaded it sometime within the last 4 years. I went on a spree downloading every Ocora release I encountered on the web (many of them Megaupload links); and while I still haven't organized that 100+ batch of albums, I still have them backed up on multiple hard drives.
I live near a fairly large public and university research libraries that have physical copies of many out of print world music releases, so that's where I spend a lot my free time.
the 5th floor in Toronto's main library branch is home to countless physical records, all freely accessible to the public. tragically underutilized, I at least give many of the Asian and African recordings their first spins in often over a decade
so! since you were very kind and posted those links to the nonesuch releases, which I very much like to dip into and explore, I'd be quite glad to oblige any potential gaps you're still angrily glaring at in you digital Ocora collection, if you're interested
bump for dj cheb i sabbah
>>60210349
Seconded
>>60211069
thirded again
>>60212464
maybe we should let this thread die out and start with a new theme tomorrow?
>>60212803
im chilling and workin.
will prolly give it another bump or two.
cuz like do we need another taytay madman thread?
and i havent gone through all the links yet
>>60213079
fair enough
Really need to get a vinyl ripper so I can share a few of my #rare Indian stuff.
>>60213804
vocaroo, bb
we wont laugh
honest
