Is there a /mu/ version of this?
>>54020804
>Cinématon is a 191-hour long experimental film by French director Gérard Courant. It was the longest film ever released until 2011. Composed over 36 years from 1978 until 2006, it consists of a series of over 2,865 silent vignettes (cinématons), each 3 minutes and 25 seconds long, of various celebrities, artists, journalists and friends of the director, each doing whatever they want for the allotted time. Subjects of the film include directors Barbet Schroeder, Nagisa Oshima, Volker Schlöndorff, Ken Loach, Benjamin Cuq, Youssef Chahine, Wim Wenders, Joseph Losey, Jean-Luc Godard, Samuel Fuller and Terry Gilliam, chess grandmaster Joël Lautier, and actors Roberto Benigni, Stéphane Audran, Julie Delpy and Lesley Chatterley. Gilliam is featured eating a 100-franc note, while Fuller smokes a cigar. Courant's favourite subject was a 7-month-old baby.
Holy shit
what an awful chart lmao
>>54020804
>mfw I'm at Kubrick
Should I be happy or sad?
>>54020804
kek i've been watching a lot of Brahkage short films for quite a while. Had no idea I was film patrish.
Would pic related be considered Level 3, as it falls under von Trier?
there is one i remember because it had musique concrete on there i am afraid i dont have it tho so i am sorry
>>54020852
Why
>>54020804
This?
I've got another similar pic.
>>54020804
I once tried watching chelsea girls thinking it would be a cool movie with velvet music and the factory footage.
I couldn't be more wrong...
>>54020804
>>54020953
...or this?
>>54020953
Not OP but i know what he;s looking for this is close but not quite it.
>>54020938
>191 hour film
>36 years to film it
Well i guess my shock is understandable, too patrish for me
>>54020977
I can't believe American Primitivism is type III, like it's not that unaccessible.
There are a bunch of things similar to that for music
This
>>54020977
I was just about to post this lol
Yeah, this is the closest I could think of
Fuck lowercase
>>54020989
No I was kinda agreeing with you lol
I meant why does this film even exist
>>54021029
>Fuck lowercase
This.
>>54020894
Same
Mothlight is GOAT
>>54020953
Isn't there one with like 'every song by an artist played at once'
>Korine at level 4
itstrashed.exe
But it does pique my curiosity. If we were to make a musical (and serious) version of this chart, which names would go where? Where does Feldman belong, for instance?
>>54020804
The lowest I go is von Trier
>>54021006
This isn't bad.
>>54020804
>Starting in 1926, the Coney Island Amateur Psychoanalytic Society held annual competitions in which members recreated their dreams on film and then analyzed them. Their enterprise was inspired by Freud’s proposition in “The Interpretation of Dreams” that in dreams, ideas and wishes are dramatized as “mental pictures.” The Society decided to put Freud’s theory into practice. Their films may be seen as a window onto the hopes, fears, and fantasies of a changing cross-section of people who made up the social fabric of Coney Island in the 20th century, from immigrant Jews and Italians to wealthy bohemians and young gay men exploring their sexuality in the 1960s.
Sounds pretty interesting actually
tfw you accidentally showed normies Brakhage and they made fun of you and ranted about how modern art is bullshit for 10 minutes straight
>>54021060
there are way bigger problems like chan wook park, truffaut, von trier, kaufman and malick being at level 3 and satyajit ray, noe, jodorowsky, and tarkovsky being at level 4
also why the fuck is lars von trier and hackrine below resnais
>>54021006
>garbage trash version of the chart made by a guy who doesn't know anything about avant music
shame on you anon
>>54020804
The lowest I like is Jodorowsky, and btw his movies aren't that inacessible
I mean, there's a lot of occult stuff but unlike Lynch his narratives are linear and easily understandable
>>54020852
Its exactly the type of meaningless shit you'd expect from the french
>>54021126
look at this douchebag trip trying to impress people with his film knowledge hahahaha
>>54021126
you really think chan wook park, kaufman and malick are more inaccessible than noe, jodorowsky, and tarkovsky?
>>54020977
i like this one better because it takes marginally longer to tell that it's a joke.
>>54020852
This type of shit is what I don't get about experimental film. I can totally get that you're supposed to get something out of noise or onkyo or something but like what the hell is the purpose of this? Just because you can?
>>54021217
That's because you're a pleb who only understands music, the pleb medium
>>54021217
You play it on a wall in an art gallery. People walk by and watch short parts of it, and whenever they return it's something different.
>>54021234
Truth
>>54021234
Lol are you actually >implying that film is better than music?
>the grifter video at the bottom
>>54021240
But there is absolutely no reason to make an entire work that's not meant to be taken in as an entire work
>>54021266
http://universes-in-universe.org/eng/magazine/articles/2012/john_cage_organ_project_halberstadt
>>54021249
It is.
>>54021292
That's also total bullshit. John Cage did a lot of great things for music theory and the definition of music itself, but most of his actual works (except his prepared piano pieces) are pretty bullshit.
>>54021249
Better than the music /mu/ discusses, sure
>>54021217
>>54021234
>it's patrician to have everything fed to you
>it's patrician for art to require no imagination from you
>>54020804
that picture is some finely crafted bait and i feel privileged to have read it
Official.
>>54021346
Give one reason as to why that would be true
>>54021362
Yeah because /tv/ discusses only the highest works of film
>>54021379
Carefully, without buzzwords, explain to me how music does anything but that, anything but an inferior less holistic rendition of what film does.
>>54021379
>what is onkyo
>what is wall noise
>what is 4'33"
>>54020852
so you mean to tell me i could spend years and years and years recording a bunch of people doing completely random shit, throw it all together, call it a film, and i'd be a patrician level director?
this is why some people don't take art seriously.
>>54021402
It's a more holistic creative medium. It's artistic potential is greater. I would make the case that it's only superior is animation, although it's extremely underutilized.
>>54021442
>so you mean to tell me i could spend years and years and years recording a bunch of people doing completely random shit, throw it all together, call it a film
You could call it "Boyhood"
>>54021533
you probably don't even know it took 12 years to make
>>54021442
You should read the fine print at the top of the chart
Also no if you did that you'd just be ripping off that director. He did it first.
>>54020804
I remember seeing a version of this chart with Wiseau at the bottom instead of Grifter.
>>54021541
>>54021447
How is its artistic potential greater? Music can equal anything film can do and still do more. For example, the musical equivalent of Cinématon would be easily achievable
>>54021057
this one?
>>54021544
let's not pretend that 4chan doesn't directly relate inaccessibility to patrician status
>>54020804
>>54020953
>>54020977
>Not posting the best chart
>>54021198
no no no
everyone i said should be way higher up imo
>>54021601
In terms of the viewer/listener being able to enjoy it, sure
The chart isn't saying that the least accessible directors are the most patrician themselves
>>54021561
oh baby
>>54021567
because in film you're dealing with visual and sonic aspects simultaneously, it also necessitates attention in a way music could never
>>54021634
>it also necessitates attention in a way music could never
If you took the visual aspect away and called the film's dialog music, that would require much more attention for a person to be able to understand what was going on
>>54021598
>>54021608
these are hilarious and wonderful
>>54021608
Triggered Euphoria always gets me
>>54021116
>tfw show qt girl Wavelength and she says she liked it
>>54021415
Because of the visual nature of film, more ideas are fed to you. Film can't fit into life and bend it and be bent by it the way music can. It is its own experience separate from life looking at life. Music melds. It is better. It goes music>literature>film.
>>54021634
So film is better because it leaves less to your own imagination? And music necessitates plenty of attention if you let it. Paying full attention to a piece of music can let you depict your own art inside your head. It leaves the listener to get a more personalized experience from it. This is why visual art is also one of the highest art forms. It allows the viewer to create a world around one thing. Giving someone two senses means that they have a less personalized experience from it, and the best art is meant to be completely personalized. If art wasn't different to everyone who experiences it, then there would be no reason to discuss it and appreciate it
>>54021598
>>54021608
Where does H-Audio fall on these charts?
>>54021753
No it's better because it has the potential to leave more to the imagination.
>>54021753
>>54021924
Where are you guys getting the idea that evoking imaginative thoughts makes art good
>>54021753
fuck how you consume it the point is that it has more artistic merit
I love how /mu/ acts as if they have people to impress with their charts, as if they actually enjoy listening to all their avant garde bullshit.
That's not to say some of it isn't good, but when you go in enough chart threads you start to realize everyone is just working towards this same patrician goal.
Listening to Faust and Captain Beefheart and Xiu Xiu don't make your music tastes special. They are default albums for a level of depth. They say nothing about what kind of style you like except that your style must be deep.
Tastes are about pinpointing your interests and I really don't think you're gonna find your true interests when you're just digging for the sake of digging.
>>54021634
Because film is two dimensional because it has both visual and sonic aspects?
If I make up a film and tickle the audiences dick with a brush at the same time do I reach an even higher plane of art?
>>54021598
Duke Ellington + Philip Glass = Raymond Scott
Raymond Scott + Van Dyke Parks = Bruce Haack
Bruce Haack + The Residents = Mahmoud Awad
Herman's Hermits + Jandek = The Shaggs
Krzysztof Penderecki + Nine Inch Nails = Godspeed You! Black Emperor
>>54021955
you do realize that all of the charts are jokes right? Like 50% of the genres on them are fake or there placed out of "order" to bait.
>>54021955
>I don't like avant garde music so everyone else must be faking
>>54021598
>semen operated keyboard
>>54021983
yes i know that haha i was referring to chart threads though and attacking the pleb/patrician dichotomy.
It's just a means by which kids with nothing to do can feel special about their time alone
>>54021924
Nice reasoning. Film creates your world for you while music lets you create your own world
>>54021944
Because what would be the point of artistic interpretation of something if everyone thought of it the exact same way?
>>54021945
Lel nice point without evidence. That is literally the equivalent to saying "I'm right because I say so"
>>54021009
this is the worst one yet
>>54022059
>Because what would be the point of artistic interpretation of something if everyone thought of it the exact same way?
Why does art need to be pondered
Something simple to understand can be good
>>54022038
>I like avant garde cause a website told me it's "good"
I like some avant garde, but I would never want to be a part of that meme
>>54022111
Yeah but that gets boring and it's easier to do. If ever story ended with "and they lived happily ever after," then stories would become redundant and people would stop caring. It's the things that make you think that really keep people interested. If Leonardo da Vinci came back and told everyone the truths regarding the Mona Lisa then people would stop giving a shit about the Mona Lisa. Ambiguity keeps art relevant and fresh
>>54022286
Why does art have to be interesting or "fresh"?
>>54022305
What the hell kind of question is that? The whole damn point of art is to be interesting. Do you eat the same meal three times a day every days do you wear the same clothes all day every day? Art is expression, but the artistic part of it is where the artist creates something new. If no one created anything new, then art would cease to exist
>>54022443
The point of art isn't to create something new. The point of avant garde art is to push the boundaries of what art can be. But that's not the point of art in general. Defining a "point" of art in general seems misguided.
>>54022059
You're proving my point here, by saying film creates your world, in a way music can't, you acknowledge that film has a greater creative capacity. I think your problem is that you think there's some sort of art in consuming art. That because you imagine shit in your head when you listen to drake you're engaging in something valid and widening of the original artist's intent.
>>54020977
do people actually even listen to the top level? its literally just noise
>>54022713
it's all noise
