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Clark Terry down edition
what are your favorite albums by this man ?
otherwise, what are you listening to ?
is it good ?
who are you going to see playing live in the next months ?
discuss jazz related stuff in here
Is Charles Mingus entry-level?
>>53795212
who the hell cares, just listen to him if you like him
interesting record, with two cellos, two violins, guitar, bass, drums and clavinet
bump
I only listened to A Love Supreme.
How do get further into jazz ? I loved A Love Supreme.
Can anyone rec some cool modal jazz?
I've really been enjoying Bill Evans recently and Scott LaFaro's bass work on Village Vanguard. I think I've exhausted all the Modal Davis I can find.
>>53797159
My second favorite Coltrane album is My Favorite Things. If you liked the ambition of A Love Supreme, check out some of his experimental stuff like Sun Ship. Pretty much any album with that quartet is at least 8/10 IMO.
>>53797159
Start exploring the biggest players from the bebop era and further.
Try Miles Davis, Charles Mingus, Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillespie, Art Blakey, Horace Silver, Clifford Brown, Lee Morgan, Bill Evans, Thelonius Monk, Bud Powell, and pretty much any player you hear on their recordings and like.
Just got my hands on the new Criss Cross releases finally. Hopefully I'll get a chance to listen to one or two of them tonight. I might keep a list this year of all the new jazz releases I hear with ratings or something. Wish I would have done that last year.
>>53797961
That Sipiagin record reminds me a lot of Destinations Unknown, you'll probably enjoy it.
Can anyone recommend any chamber jazz records? Recently, I've heard some rather intricate cool jazz as well as some modern chamber jazz and was looking to get further into it.
>>53798316
check out The Sirens by Chris Potter
>>53798316
Modern Jazz Quartet without a doubt
>Milt Jackson
>Percy Heath
>Connie Kay
>John Lewis
>>53799781
>>53799926
Thanks for the recs!
>>53799543
Shamelessly plugging my thread here hoping some saxophonists can help me with my sound.
I'm working on learning Up Jumped Spring so I've been listening to Freddie Hubbard's Backlash.
Also bumping a lot of Bobby Timmons,
Ahmad Jamal's Live at Pershing recordings, Christian Scott
Esperanza Spalding
And of course CT since his passing
Hey /jazz/, what are some (I think are) big band albums with great drumming that give this sort of grandiose, feel-good, enjoy life feeling? Vid related
I was listening to Art Blakey's Big Band the other day and it does sound like this sometimes, too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tcp9z0gyXtc
>>53795338
This
>>53795843
Got interested for your listing of the instruments alone, cheers
>>53801277
Check out Sinatra at the Sands
>Count Basie Orchestra
>arr. and conducted by Quincy Jones
>>53801598
Thanks!
I love Dave Holland's Hands, what are some other albums that combine flamenco and jazz so well?
>>53802036
Check out some of the stuff listed here
http://www.npr.org/blogs/ablogsupreme/2011/10/13/141267715/flamenco-jazz-five-songs-where-andalusia-and-america-meet
What are the greatest OSTs that are jazz-heavy?
>>53802693
Oliver Nelson did a lot of soundtrack work in the 60s.
>>53802693
Michael Giacchino does a lot of soundtracks for Disney movies and a big part of them are jazz-based
This, or "Such Sweet Thunder"
I like when he played with Oscar Peterson.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X4d2qAGJtY
>>53794938
Just passed. RIP.
>>53802693
Its obvious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meECq9NvPpc
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1CLnaP0LRV4
How can I improve? I've been playing for a while but I'm still obviously mediocre. I only started vibrato today, so that's that. Lots of this is improvisation. If it sounds quiet, it's because my microphone was turned down.
Been digging Curtis Fuller. Who are the best jazz trombonists?
>>53808464
Check out Jazz Messenger alum Steve Davis. I played a festival with him a few years back, super cool dude. He likes sports.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khxNTVEAYv0
Also check
JJ Johnson
Trombone Shorty
Robin Eubanks
Slide Hampton
Any recs to anything similar to Sun Ra, Cecil Taylor, and Anthony Braxton?
>>53797961
>>53798288
Listening to it now. I'm liking it a lot so far. John Escreet sounds fantastic.
>>53808464
Conrad Herwig is one of my favorites. Bob Brookmeyer is always quality too.
>>53809367
That's pretty cool that you got to play with Steve, always like his records. Was it a pickup band kind of situation or anybody else cool in the band?
>>53809766
Him and saxophonist Bill Pierce.
>>53809833
Oh he played with Blakey didn't he? Did he play on any other good records?
>>53809928
Yup! He also did some records with Tony Williams and some stuff as a leader. real serious dude, but still beast on his horn
>>53808083
plz help
>>53810092
Use more air and keep practicing. Hard work reaps rewards
>>53810165
So there's still hope for me?
>>53808083
practice with a metronome and work on developing a solid swing feel
Learn some changes and start improvising over them
Find players you like and try to emulate their playing (not that your ultimate goal is to sound like them, but you will learn a lot just in the process of trying to play like them.)
>>53810200
why wouldn't there be?
>>53810220
>Learn some changes and start improvising over them
Here's what I don't get: when I'm playing over changes- say Am7 to D7 to some other shit- do I only play the notes in the chord (in this case A, C, E, and G then D, F#, A, and C#)?
>>53810305
All twelve notes are valid in the right context.
If you're thinking of Am7 as ACEG and D7 as DF#AC you're coming at it from the wrong angle already. You want to at least be considering the 9th and the 11th as part of the chord. And let's put some extensions on the D7... How about the #9 and b13? Try building your ideas from the color notes of the chords.
>>53810305
in a D7, you flat the 7th so it would be D F# A and C, not C# dig? focus on the 3rds and 7th of the chords and then use scales to connect them.
How High the Moon is a good song to practice ii-V7s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMa_fKYWqMU
>>53810462
>>53810490
I'm already lost. I may know more than I think I know, but how would I know what the 9th and 11th are? Or the # 9 and b13? How would all twelve notes be valid? I'm sorry for being such a [spoiler]pleb[/spoiler], but I have no clue what I'm doing.
>>53810462
slow your roll
>>53810579
It's Cool! Don't worry about that stuff right now, you have the right idea of concentrating on chord tones. work on starting your phrases on the 3rd or 7th of the chord and using other notes in the scale the chord is based on to make your way to the next chords 3rd or 7th
>>53810579
Your 7th chords are built on your Root (A) 3rd(C) 5th(E) and 7th(G) keeping this pattern going we can call B the 9th (or sometimes 2nd) D would be the 11th.
If we consider these notes a part of the chord that makes almost a full scale of "chord tones" with just the 13th of the chord to consider whether it is the natural 13th or b13. Any of the chromatic notes in between those can be valid in the context of a chromatic passing tone or for a variety of other reasons.
>>53810755
Thanks for clearing things up. I'm playing in my school's jazz band, and I stupidly chose to do a solo on a song without knowing anything about the changes. Granted, nobody else seems to either, but I still feel obligated to learn more about it.
>>53810832
whats the song, what keys it in and do you play alto or tenor?
Ok, so whiplash introduce me to the wonders of hank levy and don ellis. Who here has heard the nice brassy 70's sound of these artists? Pic related
>>53810832
give us the changes
>>53810832
Bro when you guys perform you should just not even give a fuck about the changes but just stand up and fucking belt out the most aggressive free jazz solo you can muster up and just don't stop even when the rest of the band comes back in.
And you should record a video and upload it to youtube
>>53810832
ignore this tripfag
>>53810872
I like Don Ellis.
Not as familiar with Hank Levy
>>53810855
It's some simple, latin rock style piece. Key of C for me, but I play tenor. Keep in mind that this is a very unofficial high school jazz group. These are the changes: Am7 D7 B-crossed-out-circle7 E7 for 16 bars. The chords change every two beats, it seems. We're performing this at our school for like 300 people and at a solo ensemble festival for a competition. I have two weeks to learn about this.
>>53810985
strap on jtg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga-DSh9Ac1c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0IXd4g0-wA
>>53811014
listening to some other stuff atm. maybe I'll check it out later
>>53810998
>inb4 /mu/ trains a dumb kid to become a saxophone legend in under 14 days
>>53810998
Get a private lesson teacher, just one lesson and he will help you massively. It will cost around $20 for a half hour, totally worth it.
>>53810998
start your solo by quoting "recorda-me"
>>53811100
While this sounds promising, I've also been considering getting back into the piano. I'm not sure though, maybe I should take saxophone as far as possible.
>>53811029
please do. Chain reaction is a 12/8 style ballad in 13/8 (3+3+4+3) and quintessence is a 5/4 swing tune
>>53810998
ok, so A- D functions as a v I in D lydian and Bhalfdim E functions as a v I in E mixolydian.
The key says C, but I would center myself in A but with a minor third in a scalar fashion.
Or less complicated
Am D Use: D E F# G# A B C# D
Bhalfdim E Use: E F# G# A B C# D E
mind that Bhalfdim has an F natural and only use leading tones while encircling
>>53811149
Why should he do this?
>>53811210
He shouldn't. trip fag is trying to sound cool
>>53811210
For those two people in the audience who will get it and look at each other like this.
>>53810998
So you have this repeated 8 times anon?
>>53811271
Yep
>>53811030
I'll pay for this movie
>>53811303
Why have a movie when it could be a reality?
>>53811310
better yet a reality tv show
>>53811242
That looks like an annoyed look to me, meme man
>>53811405
yes but it's a tradition at these kinds of concerts. somebody has to do it right?
>>53795212
He isn't.
It wouldn't matter if he was.
Did anybody hear ever transcribe any of his OWN solos?
if so then how was it?
>>53811287
>>53810998
See how the 3rds and 7ths work together? build off that. concentrate on rhythms
>>53811187
Do whatever you love the sound of best. Before too long you just need to pick something and stick to it. Work through shit that is hard, tone development should be one of the first things you ever work on. Long tones, long tones, long tones. Play your scales every single day, all 12 major ones until you have them down at 220 BBM. Then play your 1-3-5 inversions (5-3-1, 3-1-5, 3-5-1). Print off a tonguing exercise from online and do that, every single day. This should take you 30 minutes to start and once you get it down it should only take 5-10 minutes.
Long tones.
Do long tones.
Seriously, do some fucking long tones, with a tuner in front of you.
>>53811483
shit forgot to sharp the f and g
>>53811483
G# tho
>>53811505
So I can't do saxophone AND clarinet?
>>53811479
I felt like an asshole, but it was a hell of a lot easier to do. You should never remember what you play in an actual concert because it should be about feeling, not thinking, but regardless, I kind of know my own tricks.
>>53811553
You can, but I would start off by getting pretty good at one thing before being mediocre or worse at two things. I was in one of the top high school bands in the country and only ever played alto sax my entire time.
I don't mean to sound like an asshole by saying that, but I thought my credibility would help persuade you a little bit.
>>53811479
never a whole solo. it's bad enough listening to myself. It's finny how much easier it is transcribing yourself than anyone else. You know all your own tricks. But then sometimes you're surprised with what you came up with when you actually write it down.
>>53811559
>>53811598
>tfw you realize that jazz musicians are just musical magicians who are all trying to figure out each other's "tricks" and make up new tricks of their own
>>53811641
Ahh, I guess that is kind of true, but I prefer to feel more than think. It isn't really tricks, it is just ability to express oneself through another medium.
>>53811587
The issue is I really do like the sound of the clarinet but I've already been playing the saxophone for three years and it seems as though it's too late to switch.
>>53811641
While I agree with >>53811669
THIS is a trick https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krDxhnaKD7Q
>>53811720
The lick, as useful as putting "roses are red, violets are blue..." in a love poem.
>>53811559
>>53811598
My teacher told me to transcribe one of my solos so that i'll can be more aware of my playing and to get rid off anything I won't like.
So did transcribing your solos helped with that? did you notice any faults in your playing after transcribing it that you stopped doing after you transcribed it?
>>53811791
Not that anon, but I've done it too and it definitely helped me find weaknesses and changes I needed to practice more things on.
>>53811791
No, not really. Listening to yourself is pretty helpful, but if you're around other people who are as good or better than you they will let you know if what you played was sad or if they dug it.
>>53811720
haha that's hilarious. especially seeing it being used in all of those different genres.
>>53811841
That's what I hope wlil happen to me.
>>53811853
really? I mean whenever i'm playing well then i'll be getting compliments but when i'm not nobody tells me anything.
>>53812019
next rehearsal as for some constructive criticism. Also check the jam of the week group of fb. Or if you want to post a recording on here, I'm sure /mu would love to tear you apart
>>53812019
Well people didn't tell you it was shitty, they just would help you out in one way or another. I was in a very competitive program for the top band, but the band was incredibly tight once you got into it. I had been playing with most of these guys since 6th grade, so I was best friends with most people in the group.
>>53795212
yes, not that there's a problem with that. I recommend him to anyone wanting to get into jazz.
>>53812131
this, post a recording. I'd love to hear your tone
>>53812144
really? I find most people don't like him right away. They claim he's too "noisey" and "ugly sounding". I usually start people off with Bill Evans or Art Blakey. But I'm glad i people are diggin' Mingus on their first go round.
>>53812131
Yea I think it'll be really good to ask for constructive criticism. How can I post a recording here? I don't have a mic to record with vocaroo.
>>53812137
I'm also pretty good friends with the jazz band i'm playing with but for some reason we don't really give criticism to each other (we do sometimes though). It's really weird and bad now that I think of it. Today i'll be meeting with them so i'll talk about it.
>>53812345
well if you don't have a mic you're probably S.o.L.
steal (buy) one or if you're on a laptop it might have one built in.
Just make sure that for each criticism said a compliment on something dome well is offered also. Otherwise you will all start to hate each other.
>>53812414
Eh don't think i'll buy a mic just so I can post something on /mu/.
>Just make sure that for each criticism said a compliment on something dome well is offered also
yea that's true. sometimes you can forget to say good things and people might get offended.
>>53812314
I personally think people should start with some hard bop. It has elements of R&B and jazz. Most people like R&B and because of this it is easier for them to get into it.
