how old were you when you grew out of thinking irony and post irony were valid schools of thought?
I was 22. It took me longer than it should have, I know, but I'm glad it happened.
I've always hated irony.
Cheap shit
>>53517034
i wish i was more like you. no sarcasm
i spent way too long thinking irony and post irony werent the worst things ever
I'm still not entirely sure what post irony is. And this isn't really music related, Davette.
19
21.
>>53517020
When will 3rd wave irony arrive
>>53517066
post irony is bullshit. thats all you need to know
and okay to make this music related also post an album you sincerely enjoy
haven't. Irony is a good a cool thing, anyone who says otherwise doesn't get it
>>53517096
if there is a merciful god than never
>>53517109
watch The Comedy and tell me that again and mean it
>>53517109
disgusting
(sentence with sage as the verb and tripshit as the object)
>>53517225
Do you like the movie? Genuinely curious. I'm a fan of Tim and Eric and haven't seen it. My friend is an professional comedian who lives in Williamsburg but hates Tim and Eric because of their hyper ironic/dadaist style, but this movie seems to be a statement about the limits of irony?
this post is post-ironic btw
>>53517503
The movie is basically a warning about what happens when you embrace irony. It serves very well as that.
Personally, I find the first few seasons of Tim and Eric geniunely, sincerely funny.
Irony isn't a school of thought. It's a rhetorical device.
I'm all about new sincerity now a days.
>>53517580
you know what i meant
english is not my first language
>>53517580
whats the difference
>any school of thought being valid
i'm post-thinking now
>>53517580
looks like someone isn't versed in meme discourse
>>53517630
I just post without thinking.
>>53517020
got into it when iwas 15, grew out of it when i was 16
>>53517225
you feel like you're part of something bigger. Yeah you're probably a snobbish piece of shit, but it's cool.
>>53517675
all you're part of is a disease of society
>>53517020
>valid schools of thought?
its really just shitporters that came from reddit with no own opinions that use post-irony and memes to fit in
>>53517066
>And this isn't really music related
>post-irony isn't related to /mu/
Take a look at this board.
Also, post-irony is pretending you're retarded without saying you're pretending to be retarded.
So it's a le master ruseman that doesn't have back pedal.
>>53517849
this tbh
its cancer
>>53517923
says the guy using a tripfag that dont contribute at all to the topic
>>53517020
Wait, so there were people that took that irony shit seriously? Goddamn, /mu/.
>>53517945
>using a tripfag
You're using that wrong.
>>53517849
that just sounds like irony and/or baiting
>>53517982
>taking off the trip to point that out
i'm not a native english speaker, OP is just a fag
>>53518053
this
>>53517982
was not me
How am I not contributing to the topic when I literally started the topic?
im not a guy btw
i post in this thread ironically
>>53518104
Oh sweet merciful jesus why
>>53518092
tits/gtfo
choice is yrs
>>53518092
the TRIP is not contributing to the topic
fucking cancer, if you want attention and fame for your name you could go back to reddit
>im not a guy btw
filtered
>>53518128
only god knows why
>>53518167
best girl
>>53518167
I'm not clicking that.
>>53517693
well that's just like your opinion man :^)
>>53518187
Fucking hell.
>>53517225
The Comedy is about how you shouldn't use irony as a shield to protect you emotionally.
Using irony to make fun of shit is a completely different thing.
>>53518167
>>53518187
You fucking fuck, why would you do that? Fuuuuck.
>>53518167
yo btw her name is katrina dewees.
>>53517020
wait, are you implying that any of you have ever ACTUALLY done things out of a sense of irony rather than genuine enjoyment?
toppest kek
i knew this board was autism
>>53518167
>>53518187
is it weird that this doesn't bother me at all?
like intellectually i think that it must be uncomfortable to have something with such an unusual texture in your mouth, but it provokes no emotional reaction
>>53518420
i find it attractive, she must be really cool-headed and in control over her body.
>>53518442
>>53518420
It makes me want to cry. I can't handle insects.
>>53518442
i most definitely don't find it attractive or anything, quite the reverse
way too self-consciously edgy for me
What's wrong with irony? A lot of ironic songs (like Cut Your Hair by Pavement) are the best satire possible for the music industry.
>>53517643
underfavored ghost
So what's your solution, OP? To be sincere all of the time? I really don't understand the umbrage taken with irony or post-irony. The world we live in is kind of bullshit. We're living in a time in which our day to day lives are permeated with watered-down replicas of symbols that were shitty to begin with.
What's the solution here? At least the New Sincerity reflected a self-aware attitude that life has become banal. I don't really know where to move from here. It seems like wide-eyed, unironic sincerity isn't even an option at this point.
I do think post-irony is exhausting, though.
>>53517020
>being a sincere fagget
lol back to buzzfeed with you, normie
Irony sucks because people do it so much you can't tell when there is sincerity.
Like those jokes where the imply they were kidding but you know they are getting under your skin. I rather someone would just call me out on stupid shit then be ironic. People also seem to do everything in the name of irony, like listen to music, watch tv, or some shit like that.
Teenagers are memes
irony is lame now but post irony is still cool
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Update
We're actually at the stage of post-post irony.
The preferred irony for futurist idealist and self-described post-post modernists anarchists.
>>53517665
and you're still 16
I don't frequent this board so call me a pleb all you want but what's with this "post"-everything shit?
Is that just there to make you sound deep or does it actually have a meaning?
>>53520140
Do you know what modernism and postmodernism is?
Cool, extrapolate the "post-" prefix on other things.
Congrats, you now understand what post-X means.
yea man irony sucks (said ironically)
I've been seeing this anti-irony trend a lot amongst 'enlightened' 20-somethings and I'm curious as to where it's coming from.
Irony is powerful rhetorical tool when used appropriately. I get the impression that everyone was assigned Infinite Jest in their college-level English course and now consider themselves experts on this conversation.
>>53518847
im honored
>>53520239
>Irony is powerful rhetorical tool when used appropriately
I'm not disagreeing with this
however
99% of everyone does not use it appropriately
million dollar extreme
>>53520239
its literal anime autistics who dont like it because they cant understand jokes because ironics and sarcasms so not exist in Japan and in animes. The only form of humor in Japan is something crazy happening and then a straight man explains the situation is crazy. they only laugh when they are told to. Also they are autistic
>I just read DFW everybody!
Congrats, but irony is not a school of thought you moron, it is a literary technique and a way of speaking. That's like saying you grew out of thinking metaphors were a valid school thought. Post-irony simply refers to a heightened awareness of irony, which you are (poorly) demonstrating through your adolescent mewling about how much you hate post-irony
Overall grade of you and this opinion: D-, do NOT see me after class, I dread ever hearing another half-baked thought tumble out of your idiotic mouth.
>>53520356
Since i discovered post-sincerity in 2013 my life has completely turned around.
>>53520389
how its just the truth
>>53520283
>how old were you when you grew out of thinking irony and post irony were valid schools of thought?
>99% of everyone does not use it appropriately
Uh...
I don't think you're really aware of A) what you're saying and B) what you're talking about. You fall into the category of the 'enlightened' 20-somethings diverting from the herd because "everyone is doing it, therefore it must be flawed".
It's okay to admit that you don't find a certain brand of humor enjoyable without rejecting the concept as a whole OR claiming that it's a phase you can grow out of.
Seems like you're the one being a bit post-ironic there, friend :-)
>>53518187
that cockroach is sooooo cute!
>>53520305
(is the shit)
to be honest, the only acceptable form of irony is ironic irony
>>53520446
fuck off tripfag.Literally.
I like being ironic, it makes all the shit I have to cope with easier to accept
>>53520446
>>53520496
holy shit who do we trust
>>53518442
>>53518467
>>53518420
>>53518187
>>53518167
it makes my dick hard
I wish I was that spider
>>53520446
>>53520496
I just don't know who to believe.
>>53517020
New Sincerity is fucking garbage.
And I am completely sincere about that.
When will you people realize the oscillating nature of all things?
>>53520556
when did i ever say i was in favour of new sincerity?
ironic irony is the way to go
>>53520549
don't believe Messi
>>53520180
omfg i am absolutely KEKKING at your contribution
>>53518130
>/b/eing this 2008
>mfw
>>53517066
>>53517849
Post-irony is one of the two popular approaches to solving the Sincerity/Irony dichotomy and by far the more difficult one to use well.
A post-ironic thing works as both ironic and sincere.
It doesn't matter which viewpoint you pick, both will be perfectly acceptable.
An example of a music related post-ironic statement is "Sunbather was a very good album", hell Sunbather actually qualifies as post-ironic work.
The other approach to solving this problem is metamodernism.
Basically it states that irony and sincerity are completely interchangeable and it doesn't matter which one you go for.
>>53520556
oceangrunge mainstream etc
I'm not even sure what's going on in this thread
What the hell do you mean they're not valid schools of thought?
Whether you like it or not, irony and post-irony are both real occurrences, and the jump from irony to post-irony can be unintentional or on purpose.
>>53520675
We are entering the era of post-oceangrunge
>>53520446
Look here everybody. Embarrassed by his shocking ignorance of basic English composition, dave strider is drowning himself in memes and irony to avoid acknowledging his own idiocy. I don't know why you dislike irony so much; without it you would be forced to admit to yourself that you're a pretentious shithead who has no idea what he is talking about
>>53520580
>when did i ever say i was in favour of new sincerity?
The moment you condemned irony as immature and invalid.
New sincerity holds that exact viewpoint.
>>53520716
i can tell for several reasons that you did not read or understand this thread
>>53520731
this pic is for you
>>53520716
The real shocking thing about this, considering the oscillating nature of the truth is that he's either hypocrite, or an idiot.
>>53520773
Very nice metamodern performance friendo.
I'd rate it a 6/10, sincerely.
>>53520822
>>53520716
she*
ffs i got banned 3 days for posting nudes so this wouldn't happen anymore
>>53517020
They aren't schools of thought you absolute pleb. Irony is an expression, and post-irony is a reaction. The act of knowing about post-irony, much less thinking its valid and trying to 'use' it, invalidates the existence of post-irony at all. Maybe you should grow out of using terms you don't understand, too.
>>53520717
Wow
>>53520841
An ironic 2/10.
>>53520717
BH IDEAS
>>53520855
>post-irony is a reaction
No, that's wrong.
You can express yourself post-ironically perfectly well, like I am doing right now.
>>53520855
I don't think that's the definition of post-irony, correct me if I'm wrong
Post-irony is when an ironic act is misinterpreted as being sincere, or when the act itself becomes sincere.
>>53520535
what if she accidentally swallowed you tho
>>53517098
>I don't want to look ironic or post-ironic so I'll say I like shit music
>>53520925
>what if she accidentally swallowed you tho
>>53520717
i had to google this bh ideas thing
holy fuck
>>53520936
>this poster thinks Kitten is bad
holy shit you're an idiot please leave my thread
>>53520876
check the archive
>>53517020
stfu Cameron
Irony is the greatest thing since sincerity.
>>53520919
>Post-irony is when an ironic act is misinterpreted as being sincere
The simplest explanation for Post-irony is the blending of irony and sincerity in a way that both sides are equally true and the actual intent is ambiguous.
Basically you're making something ironic/sincere, that cannot be distinguished from a sincere/ironic thing, while clearly still retaining the ironic/sincere qualities.
This concept has been around for a long time, but it's never been named, because people rarely ever did it intentionally until recently.
>>53520972
Sincere 7/10.
>>53520841
You did? Why would you do that?
>>53520904
Except that returns you to irony. Irony is a double negative. If you're ironically being ironic, you're just being ironic. The only way for irony to be ironic in itself is if you're unaware of it being ironic.
>>53520919
>Post-irony is when an ironic act is misinterpreted as being sincere
Not exactly, but you have the right idea. It's not that it's misinterpreted, it's when irony becomes sincerity. A good example is /mu/. People started off spamming shit like Lil B and Waka Flocka ironically. They were aware that they didn't actually like it. Then a wave of newfriends came in that weren't aware there was a joke. In order to fit in, they started trying to genuinely appreciate what was satire. Those people were exercising post-irony.
>>53521046
why not tbh
>>53520841
maybe you should pull your head out of your ass and realize nobody cares then
>>53521091
I g-guess. I hope people weren't rude.
These days I don't even know when I'm sincere myself, all this irony and post-irony and the memes have fucked my head up.
>>53521122
>white knighting
kek, what a beta cuck
>>53521122
people were not rude at all anon
>>53521125
Is this statement post-ironic?
>>53520946
I didn't mean it in that way ;__;
>>53521032
I've heard two definitions, with Die Antwoord and South Park being good examples of both
>>53521032
In the first definition, Die Antwoord take on an over-the-top image and aesthetic. This could be interpreted as sincere, and they are trying to appeal to the audience that would unironically listen to such music, or ironic, satire or commentary on the same audience. It is unclear which is intentional, and that it the point
>>53521079
Second definition. South Park started off by(what I think) was occasionally adding in extremely low-brow jokes to poke fun at low-brow comedy. As the show went on, the jokes grew more and more common and eventually became sincere low-brow jokes. This could be the creator's faults, misinterpreting what the older writers were doing or becoming lazy and finding they were easier jokes to make, or it could be the audience's fault, with newcomers to the show not understanding the irony and taking the jokes seriously, which influenced the writers. (South Park has always been shit though)
>>53521171
I wouldn't know.
>>53517020
OP is on some deep, deep level of post-irony thia thread is uncomfortable
>>53521152
They should be. You're an annoying attention whore.
>>53521182
[whole last paragraph]
Exactly. That proves my point perfectly. Notice how there wasn't any intention to let it regress that far. If they had started off with the intention to make it all low-brow humor, it would have been simple ironic satire. The only dividing line between irony and post-irony is intention, which breeds sincerity.
>>53521234
you're winner
>>53521234
no she's just really that dumb all the time. I normally have her filtered but I'm on a different comp. literally the only person other than xuosis who was ever obnoxious enough to filter. she's just trying to get validity for her stupidity
>>53521410
>her
Yeah, no
>>53521182
no offense m8, but there's never been a high brow joke in South Park
Is QT ironic, sincere, post-ironic or meta-modern?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6_ikWlJu_0
>>53521391
>>53521234
Except if you read the thread you'd know that you can't be post-ironic. Fucking hell. Only retards would act like you.
>xDDD I was only IRONICALLY shitposting!!!! LE MAY-MAYS YEE LMAO!!!! XD
this thread is fucking great
I mean that sincerely
But now it's impossible for me to prove that
post-irony is great and I have been employing it for trickery on 4chan for years, before it was even a thing
>>53521079
I like what you're saying, but I'm not quite on-board with the Waka part. I think that was a lot simpler - more like, "this is fun to listen to, obviously not requiring of a lot of talent, and totally ridiculous".
Lil B serves as a better example - it's a kind and type of "bad" that oddly does require talent, and is only fun to listen to in small doses and without being 100% sincere as a listener.
>>53521491
Jesus Christ this guy is next level
>>53521641
It's always been a thing.
Hell, Shakespeare used it.
It's only gotten a name very, very recently.
>>53521660
Lil B's actual sincere tunes are fantastic.
>>53521660
Lil B isn't ironic, if you think Lil B is ironic you're missing the point of Lil B
>>53521491
>Except if you read the thread you'd know that you can't be post-ironic
Except, if you were any less of a self centered asshole you'd realize you don't hold the only definition of post-irony
>>53521746
>>53521745
I know I gave Lil B short shrift, and Lil B does have some sincere songs that I love. But he has put out so much - so, so much - that is, if it's not ironic, what is it? Compulsive rapping in an effort to reach some deep truth via brute force?
>>53517048
But Dirk is the one that is growing out of Irony
>>53521641
Irony*
>>53521660
Just how much sincerity is being lost is totally subjective. I agree with that. But there's no denying that, at least on a board-wide level, Waka was ironically shitposted in the wake of the whole memerap fiasco, and that the newfriends who picked up on it were missing the irony. I don't really have a personal opinion on him either way.
>>53521743
I oscillate between technomodernist irony and post-post-new-sincerity. Right now it's both.
>>53521776
Except, if you read any books you'd realize that's not /my/ definition, but the definition that's been laid out by the men who created the term itself. Maybe try getting your information from a book instead of a pedophile imageboard.
>>53521854
>Compulsive rapping in an effort to reach some deep truth via brute force
This describes a whole lot of great art
>>53521872
>created the term itself
The word is "coined" and you do need to remember that the meaning of words changes over time.
so irony is doing something with false sincerity
and post-irony is doing something ironic with real sincerity?
Please stop using those silly extremes and embrace the oscillating nature of all things.
>>53521933
yes
>>53521918
>The word is "coined"
Undefined semantics, the final death rattle of a man who's lost an argument.
Protip: both terms are used interchangeably in the context of modernism because it refers to both a movement and the definition of it.
>remember that the meaning of words changes over time
Modernist definitions are pretty much exempt from definition changes due to how much dick-wagging comes from creating a new form in academia. The second any aspect of a previous movement of modernism is changed, there's a desperate rush to create another despite the fact that anything past post-modernism and new sincerity is redundant.
>>53517580
Irony is a dead scene
>>53518809
Ironic?
>>53522078
>>53521918
>>53521872
Honestly this is pretty fascinating.
I have no idea which of those posts are sincere and which aren't.
>>53520446
>>53520496
How many here are white and european or american?
>>53522151
Good. I have a plan that will free us from the grip of irony, and eradicate post-irony. This is the first step.
>>53522237
It's an intelligent discussion about complex topics. Only white Europeans are capable of this.
>>53522361
Yeah it aligns fairly well with the white european agenda of forcing labels down everybodys throat
>>53520239
>taking an english or philosophy course ever
And you guys are surprised you're surrounded by pretentious twats?
>>53522550
Precisely.
>>53522592
You don't even understand that post, do you? You've been wrecked 100 times over in this thread, yet you don't even have the balls to reply to any of it. What a cakeboy.
>>53522730
has it crossed your mind that I Literally Do Not Care At All?
>>53522783
>creates an entire thread
>replies to my post
>xD IDGAF!!1! LOOK HOW MUCH I DON'T CARE GUYS XDDDDDD
Let me guess, you're going to cop out twice by saying you're just being post-ironic, aren't you?
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>>53522862
feel free to filter me at any time
>>53520717
all of these just melt together on level 6
>>53523055
No. I'm just going to report every single off-topic post you make - which is pretty much all of them. Previous shittrips like jbeni and blf were worth keeping around because they were at least ironically amusing and self-aware. You, on the other hand, aren't. The sooner you fuck back off to tumblr, the better.
what is meta irony
>>53523278
this entire thread
>>53523293
I doN't understand
I just want to know what meta irony is pleawse
>>53523055
done
>>53523307
read this thread start to finish
thats meta irony
>>53523307
Fucking words, man
>>53523334
nice triplets friend
this thread, an important piece of /mu/ history, is now archived
https://4archive.org/mu/thread/53517020
i would like a college english or philosophy professor to read it and do a short essay on the themes within - kickstarter?
