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>daily reminder that Floral Shoppe is broporwave trash and should be retrospectively seen as proto-broporwave.
See videos for example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbk8yU4Dyn4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wk3IQx8glA
>>51868943
"objectively" wrong
>>51868965
Explain how?
You're using "broporwave" incorrectly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJONIhDnL-o
>>51868943
I just gave you an entire argument why that line of thinking is incorrect and you completely ignored it because you're so buttmad at Kittens
can we please talk about vaporwave that is not the same albums posted in every thread.
post some albums you like that you think nobody has heard of. im going to rate them
>>51868943
>broporwave
It should be called "vapidwave".
>>51868973
money can be exchanged for goods and services
>>51869022
I missed it sorry, can you paste it here?
>>51869029
http://areas.bandcamp.com/album/future-trail
>>51869059
give me links im not sifting through 100 oceangrunge artists
>>51869102
Don't even bother. Oceangrunge is Floral Shoppe-tier shit.
>>51869062
>2014
>vapor elitism
>vapor elitism about Floral Shoppe being shit
Do you realize how moronic your entire argument is? You're saying it's practically proto-broporwave, but that very argument undermines your entire point. Floral Shoppe sounds like broporwave because fucking everyone has tried to copy it. Floral Shoppe is *the* vaporwave album, and without it, Eccojams would be forgotten amongst the sea of plunderphonics and vaporwave would never have been created. There are better albums, seeing as it's essentially the first vaporwave album, but it isn't nearly as bad as you're saying. The entire reason you don't like it is because of the people who copycatted it, which is just plain stupid.
In other words: You're saying it's reminiscent of broporwave. But that's because Floral Shoppe was the first and still most popular trve vaporwave. Broportrash came out of the genre, not the album, and the only connection is that Floral Shoppe started the genre as it's known. Although even if it was the direct creator of broporwave, retroactively defaming music because of copycats is ridiculous. It'd be like saying Boards of Canada suck because of Tycho.
>>51869136
I get what you're saying, but I already responded to this claim.
Yes, Floral Shoppe practically kickstarted vaporwave's popularity, but it's influence on everyone else has only been negative.
It really doesn't matter how important it is, because the album itself is terrible. A cheap imitation of Eccojams (also a mediocre album at best), where some tracks are just complete theft of the originals with little to no editing done.
So yeah, vaporwave wouldn't have existed without Floral Shoppe, but it's also been the curse of the genre too. If only something that was actually good and creative received the media hype that Floral Shoppe did then I believe vaporwave wouldn't have the negative stigma attached to it that it does.
Maybe it was *the* vaporwave album, but I think it should retrospectively be seen as the lazy broporwave trash that it is.
>>51869102
>>51869102
http://e-f-d-g.bandcamp.com/album/weak-waves-ep
http://e-f-d-g.bandcamp.com/album/through-the-fog-and-the-driftwood
https://businesscasual87.bandcamp.com/album/storm-memories
http://zhutchka.bandcamp.com/
https://lightsiren.bandcamp.com/releases
http://metsu.bandcamp.com/
http://starryvere.bandcamp.com/releases
https://gorgeousgorgias.bandcamp.com
https://oceans-music.bandcamp.com/
https://ashesinthesnow.bandcamp.com/
http://zarcoyss.bandcamp.com//album/n-ern-0n-l-w-erss
http://poseidoninchains.bandcamp.com
http://oceanofsorrows.bandcamp.com/
https://thememefriends.bandcamp.com/album/dark-ocean-succubus
https://petitelocke.bandcamp.com/releases
http://djrozwell.bandcamp.com/album/sludge-dredd
https://bornguilty.bandcamp.com/album/freezer-burn-break-stuff
https://juanbubneb.bandcamp.com/album/ep
https://pacificdespair.bandcamp.com/album/devour
http://nephthys0.bandcamp.com
http://heroininatlantis.bandcamp.com/album/-
http://coralchief.bandcamp.com/releases
http://finn-again.bandcamp.com/
Can I just remind everyone that the term "broporwave" is a throw back to "brostep" and in that regard refers to vaporwave that is made to be accessible to commoners. This is done by taking influence from popular music but still keeping the vaporwave asethetic, for example including hip-hop beats, well polished production, and removing the unlistenable chopped n screwed influence that vaporwave has.
Just so we're on the same page...
>>51869276
True, but broporwave is just a general term referred to in vaporwave culture as something that is memey, lazy and shit. Like Floral Shoppe.
>>51868943
The title makes no sense -- this whore shows zero regret about porn, and judging from the way she immediately snakes around to hungrily lap up the load that just drained out of her cunt, she's a seasoned pro. Good to see a creampie, including its twitching depositing. About the only weird thing (beside the much-noted table) is her bush, which is retro in its fullness yet is carefully hedged, with her smooth everywhere else. Whatever, girl. Hairless looks better.
>>51869228
>This is broporwave trash, listen to some true vaporwave like Ecco Jams and the list could go on...
>This is brostep trash, listen to some ture dubstep like Burial and the list could go on....
You're that guy.
>>51869302
It's not. You're just using it as "anything I don't like".
Vaporwave by nature is memey, lazy and shit.
>>51869327
No, I even said Eccojams is mediocre. I'm no vapor elitist. In fact, I'm the opposite of that. Currently I'm listening to the "Future Trail" album someone posted up in the thread and despite the fact it's probably just some guy trying to get pepole to listen to his album, it's still much better than Floral Shitte.
>>51869228
what I don't understand is why someone out there doesn't just make a 30-45 second-ish song... a perfectly normal imitation of an actual shitty easy listening jazz song in the 80s/90s, right? then they just remix that. It would certainly save them a lot of time dealing with copyright bullshit, and it would be a much more interesting creative process.
Hell, when I first listened to Macintosh Plus's Floral Shoppe, that's exactly what I thought it was. I was actually kind of disappointed when I learned that like 90% of that shit was stolen and simply remixed.
>>51869228
>but I already responded to this claim.
And missed most of the points.
>but it's influence on everyone else has only been negative.
Except I just proved that this wasn't a valid argument.
>because the album itself is terrible
In your opinion.
>A cheap imitation of Eccojams
That was the point. It was basically an ode to Eccojams she made with her friends in an IRC chat that wasn't even meant to be released
>where some tracks are just complete theft of the originals with little to no editing done
You must really not be familiar with vaporwave. If you think the editing on Floral Shoppe is lazy, you'd have a heart attack if you realized that the majority of vaporwave does less editing than that.
> If only something that was actually good and creative received the media hype that Floral Shoppe did then I believe vaporwave wouldn't have the negative stigma attached to it that it does
I really doubt it. It was a genre arising from the channels of seapunk and witch house. Even if it was the most intricate album ever made, the genre would still be filled with cheap imitators and trash tumblr aesthetic because that's the environment that it came out of.
> but I think it should retrospectively be seen as the lazy broporwave trash that it is
And I directly addressed why this wasn't valid criticism either.
You may have already responded, but you didn't address much. You've been repeating the same 3 or 4 points since the last thread.
Future Trail by Areas
track 1: 5/10
>not as good as the other ambient pieces on the album, does not really draw me into the album but not bad.
track 2: 7/10
>better than track 1, i like the airy piano line and there is definately some dynamic ambient parts leading to...
track 3: 7/10
>leads straight into track 3. love the atmosphere and the droplet? sounds in the background. very relaxing
track 4: 4/10
>not really enough happening in this song to keep my attention. too much generic ambient. tones are a bit harsh
track 5: 7/10
>good use of spacing. i especially like the reverberating sections that rise and fall in tone. best on the album
track 6: 5/10
>I like the tone of the track, a bit noisier than the other songs, although i feel as if it is a bit too tame to be interesting.
track 7: 5/10
>another throw away track that doesnt add much to the album
track 8: 7/10
>ends on a strong note. enjoy the pseudo-Asian influences
overall: 5.875 / 10
>>51869228
>where some tracks are just complete theft of the originals with little to no editing done.
worst thing you can do. period. blank banshee did it too.
>>51869385
pr sure at this point youre just trying to be contrarian
>>51869369
>It's not. You're just using it as "anything I don't like".
Nope, I'm using it because it has all the hallmarks of a broporwave album. Lazily made eccojams and at times pure theft.
>Vaporwave by nature is memey, lazy and shit.
Precisely because of Floral Shoppe's negative influence, which is my whole point. There is actually some really great and creative vaporwave that is detailed and rich.
If all vaporwave was memey and lazy, I would never listen to it. It's not all like that, so I do listen to it.
>>51869386
because this:
>That's what makes vaporwave great, is the fact that you have to use samples for it to be legit. The whole genre is based on samples. Anything else is just regular, boring electronic music.
And the possibilities are endless with samples, which is why vaporwave will never die, because of the sheer amount of them available now from 50 years of recording. It's all been done, and that's why most electronic music that isn't pure sample based plundering actually sounds more confined and stale...with samples you're getting all of the magic that went into making the original samples, like the room, the engineer, the groove of the drummer, the mics they used, the mastering etc...where as most regular electronic is always some guy with a midi controller playing with the same softsynths everyone else has or maybe a real hardware Juno or something, and programming the same boring, quantized, mechanical drum patterns with no feel.
>>51869483
>with samples you're getting all of the magic that went into making the original samples, like the room, the engineer, the groove of the drummer, the mics they used, the mastering etc...where as most regular electronic is always some guy with a midi controller playing with the same softsynths everyone else has or maybe a real hardware Juno or something, and programming the same boring, quantized, mechanical drum patterns with no feel.
this is a good explanation. In parts of Floral Shoppe (especially the third track with a lot of skipping) the nuances of the original recording are so strange to hear, it's being played by actual people but it sounds so robotic and inhuman, it's eerie
>>51869444
You clearly don't listen to Vaporwave, you're listening to ambient and other unrelated albums like this: >>51869418
Light Siren by Light Siren
track 1: 7/10
>beautiful ambient work here, engaging for the listener, would have been 8 if it wasnt for bad mixing
track 2: 6/10
>also great atmosphere, but suffers from even worse mixing than track 1. love the melody though
track 3: 3/10
>somehow even worse mixing then track 2, now its getting unacceptable. the drums are not at an enjoyable volume, the whole thing is muffled. too bad because the melody is not bad.
track 4: 4/10
>same complaints as the other tracks, however this one does not contain a gripping melody.
track 5: 5/10
>fun melody, but looses a lot of points for terrible sound quality.
overall: 5/10
>>51869399
>Except I just proved that this wasn't a valid argument.
And I proved it was.
>In your opinion.
Please see the two videos in the OP and explain to me why stealing other people's musing and retitling it isn't terrible?
>That was the point. It was basically an ode to Eccojams she made with her friends in an IRC chat that wasn't even meant to be released
So you are basically admitting the album is a big shitty joke?
>You must really not be familiar with vaporwave. If you think the editing on Floral Shoppe is lazy, you'd have a heart attack if you realized that the majority of vaporwave does less editing than that.
Of course I know this, but I listen to actual good vaporwave and not slowed down 80's broporwave trash like Floral Shoppe and its copycats.
>I really doubt it. It was a genre arising from the channels of seapunk and witch house. Even if it was the most intricate album ever made, the genre would still be filled with cheap imitators and trash tumblr aesthetic because that's the environment that it came out of.
Perhaps you're right about this, but there would be less. Thankfully there's still a lot of good vaporwave that dismisses the Floral Shoppe broporwave guidelines.
>And I directly addressed why this wasn't valid criticism either.
On this we're just going to have to agree to disagree. I don't consider Floral Shoppe's seminal influence due to the media hype it received to hold any strength to the claim the album is good or important.
It's broporwave trash, and my videos linked in the OP prove that.
if you guys dont give me links ill keep reviewing oceangrunge
>>51869483
What you're implying though is that people are unable to create authentic sounding 80s and 90s music, and that's kind of bullshit. I'm not saying that the recreated pieces aren't supposed to be slowed down or overlayed or filled with audio artifacts, of course they are, that's part of what makes them vaporwave. what I'm saying is that it will be much more impressive, interesting, and on the legal side of things if they just make a short song and then fuck with it until it sounds rad as hell.
>>51869547
I posted a list of good stuff from late 2014 in the past thread, so that will give you a small idea of the stuff I like. A big mix of things. All of which are noticeably more creative than Floral Shit
>>51869646
>So you are basically admitting the album is a big shitty joke?
i said so many times that the album was supposed to be ironic. you just read what you want to, don't you
>>51869699
I responded to this earlier when I said
>muh seapunk criticism
Absolutely faggot reason for making an album. It makes it just as redundant as Floral Shoppe 2.
>>51869744
that makes no sense
keep defending "true vaporwave"
>>51869658
review some exotransmission, it's the hot new subgenre
http://qebaxugon.bandcamp.com/releases
>>51869658
Please, continue the oceangrunge reviews. It will give our fans more information.
>>51869766
What the fuck are you talking about it makes no sense? The album was an ironic stab at seapunk and other memegenres, just like how Floral Shoppe 2 was an ironic stab at broporwave. Both fucking terrible reasons to create an album.
Why is it so hard for you to admit Floral Shoppe is shit? Did you buy it on cassette or something?
>>51869675
no they can. but it always sounds like a shitty imitation or recreated.
you'll never match the magic, $$$, gear or talent that went into those original recordings. never. that's what makes samples.
>>51869687
Makes sense; you're a newbie.
This is why Vaporwave is dead.
>>51869658
http://waterfrontdining.bandcamp.com/album/reflections
>>51869860
I'm not a newbie. It was part of a discussion about 2014 vaporwave, so I listed some albums I felt have been good.
I'm taking it though that you're one of these faggots who can only enjoy vaporwave made in 2011-12? That typical /mu/ hipster mentality. Pretty pathetic.
>>51869887
>disliking floral shoppe because it's popular
typical /mu/ hipster mentality. pretty pathetic.
>>51869819
Stop using broporwave incorrectly. Floral Shoppe 2 isn't broporwave, Blank Banshee is broporwave and so is the rest of the vaporwave you like.
Floral Shoppe IS shit, and it's great.
>>51869900
>putting words into my mouth because my argument floored yours
typical /mu/ faggot teenager mentality. pretty faggotish
Floral Shoppe covers very interesting aesthetic grounds and does so with creative music. Anyone who thinks it's just Diana Ross slower down doesn't know how to listen to music. It's incredibly dynamic and does a lot with the source material. The songs are very much made Mac+'s own. The vast majority of vaporwave criticism is meme based and twice as idiotic as they claim vaporwave to be.
>>51869924
Please see the videos in my OP and tell me it's "incredibly dynamic". I'm begging you
Dark Ocean Succubus by The Meme Friends
track 1: 6/10
>great atmosphere, definitely some depth in the ambient sections, however once the other instruments come in the mixing is all over the place. lost points for that. creative though.
track 2: 7/10
>cool intro riff, would listen again, this one is good, definitely some more direct vaporwave influence here unlike a lot of other oceangrunge i hear.
track 3: 6/10
>great song structure-wise, creative, but loses a point for bad mixing
track 4: 7/10
>very blank banshee, clear production, one of the best on the record
track 5: 6.5/10
>a bit muffled, especially coming off of track 4 which has the best production on the record. decent song though.
track 6: 6/10
>great atmosphere, this would work better if the mixing was right, not too attention grabbing.
track 7: 6/10
>large volume shift here, kinda distracting, otherwise a serviceable song
track 8: 4/10
bad sound quality (and not in a good li-fi way), song doesnt really go anywhere. worst on the album
track 9: 7/10
>wildly interesting sound, gets extra points for originality. would listen again. love the dynamic sound.
overall: 6.166 / 10
>>51869646
>And I proved it was.
Saying "I don't think so" isn't proof.
>stealing other people's musing and retitling it isn't terrible?
That's literally the essence of vaporwave. If you think this then all vaporwave is terrible.
>So you are basically admitting the album is a big shitty joke?
No I'm admitting that you are.
>but I listen to actual good vaporwave and not slowed down 80's broporwave trash like Floral Shoppe and its copycats.
Translation: "I listen to music that isn't even vaporwave and hold all vaporwave to those standards." Why are you even posting in a thread where 99% of the music is bad to you?
>On this we're just going to have to agree to disagree.
Except opinion doesn't matter when it comes to logic. Logic is logic, and retroactive criticism isn't valid in this case, as I point out with the BoC /= Tycho analogy.
>>51869946
guess what?
if you listened to the source for more than ten seconds you'd see that immediately mac plus does something with the source material and doesn't just "slow it down"
>>51870021
Something any fucker who's had a DAW for more than an hour could do, you stupid shit.
She took a cut from it, eq'd it slightly to add a little more treble and looped it, and that's it. Completely uncreative and pure theft.
>>51869887
Pretty much, everything else is either a eye-rolling conceptual rehash of what has been done before, accessible broporwave shit for yung lean fans or stuff so far removed from Vaporwave that I wouldn't even consider it so.
>>51870059
you really need to calm down with the theft accusations lmfao
>>51870006
>Saying "I don't think so" isn't proof.
Yet that's all you're doing
>That's literally the essence of vaporwave. If you think this then all vaporwave is terrible.
Then our opinions of what vaporwave is differ
>Translation: "I listen to music that isn't even vaporwave and hold all vaporwave to those standards." Why are you even posting in a thread where 99% of the music is bad to you?
Because there's plenty of vaporwave that doesn't subscribe to the Floral Shoppe broporwave crap style.
>Except opinion doesn't matter when it comes to logic. Logic is logic, and retroactive criticism isn't valid in this case, as I point out with the BoC /= Tycho analogy.
It's not my opinion when I say Floral Shoppe is talentless trash and at times theft. Please see videos in the OP and tell me it's anything but.
>>51870059
Just because it's simple doesnt mean it's bad
Say it is theft, is there not an aesthetic property to that? The fact that it is being recontextualized is a huge part of it.
>>51870021
it's not slowed down at all. it's just chopped.
listen friend.
>>51870076
So why are you even in a vaporwave thread if no good "true" vaporwave can ever be created again? Are you a masochist?
>>51870080
What is it if not theft lmfao
>>51870059
Why even listen to Vaporwave if artistic appropriation goes this far over your head?
>>51870124
What is the point of this post
>>51870003
Thanks!
>>51870059
Go ahead, make us Floral Shoppe 2 if it's that easy then. If it's that easy, you could whip up a Floral Shoppe-esque track in a few minutes, right?
>>51868943
you have no idea what the point of vaporwave is, do you?
>>51870116
Then it's nothing but a mixtape. It's not her music, it's not her album.
The funny thing is, I'm pretty sure the talentless slut refers to it as a mixtape on her own website too. You faggots probably hold her shitty made-in-1-hour mixtape in high regard when she herself probably couldn't give a fuck about it.
>>51870158
>>51870059
if it's so easy, why don't you make a copy of the 420 track? you said it could be done in minutes right?
>>51870136
I still find decent non-vaporwave stuff in these threads. But I mostly dropped by the school the new-comers who say shit like ">daily reminder that Floral Shoppe is broporwave trash and should be retrospectively seen as proto-broporwave."
>>51870177
almost all vaporwave is recontextualized samples. are all vaporwave artists not making their own music?
make something better if it's so easy, you cock
>>51870158
Here, I just made one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uno7f5IGAPI
You just have to click "speed 0.5" in the bottom right and it's done.
Funny thing is, doing that actually is more work than what she did on the track I linked in the OP
>>51870177
>Then it's nothing but a mixtape. It's not her music, it's not her album.
if you dont view it as a creation of hers than you need to change your views on art
>The funny thing is, I'm pretty sure the talentless slut refers to it as a mixtape on her own website too. You faggots probably hold her shitty made-in-1-hour mixtape in high regard when she herself probably couldn't give a fuck about it.
what website? BOTR bandcamp?
>talentless slut
epic
>she herself probably couldn't give a fuck about it
people have literally explained to oyu
over
and
over
it's supposed to be an ironic album
of course she doesn't care
>>51870111
>Yet that's all you're doing
No, I'm pointing out flaws in your logic. You're sitting here crying that a genre unrelated to what you want isn't what you want. It's like going into a hip-hop thread and throwing a shitfit because there's no guitar solos.
>Then our opinions of what vaporwave is differ
Vaporwave is an existing thing. It's up to fact, not opinion, and your perception of what it is, is wrong. You even said Floral Shoppe and Eccojams are the two most influential albums, and according to you, they're both lazy theft.
>It's not my opinion when I say Floral Shoppe is talentless trash
Do you realize how stupid you sound saying that? I saw your videos, they 'prove' nothing, because there's nothing to prove. You're stating that your opinions on a subjective topic are objectively correct. You're either medically stupid or have no idea how art criticism works.
>>51870177
Ad hominem
>>51870124
just wanted to post something probably
>>51870181
probably
>>51870233
>makes vaporwave thread
>has no idea what vaporwave is
well done m8
>arguing in a vaporwave thread.
I see nothing is new here. Anyways, check this out, this is my favorite album this year.
how mad is this guy that he spends hours trying to convince people that an album that he doesn't "get" is bad
>>51870233
>m-maybe if I make an unfunny joke I w-won't have to actually put my money w-where my mouth i-i-is
Go ahead, you know the sample. Make us a legitimate replica of that 420 track, chops and all. If you don't do this you lose all credibility.
>>51870266
He's full damage control mode now. He's literally arguing that a genre doesn't fit his misconception of it.
reflections 反射 by waterfront dining
track 1: 8/10
> classic vaporwave feel. you hit the future funk sound just right. track could be a bit shorter.
track 2: 7/10
> great tempo and atmosphere on this. again perfect sound quality
track 3: 7/10
> great opening, really hooks you in!
track 4: 7/10
>the swooning vocals work perfectly here, wish the track was a bit more dynamic though, the ending is a bit off imo
track 5: 6/10
>good track but a bit uninteresting. could use some variety at this point in the album
track 6: 7/10
>great tempo on this, the album really picks up here compared to the last couple tracks
track 7: 6/10
>what happened to the warm sound quality!, the tone is a bit too sharp on the highs., enjoyable but not perfect
track 8: 6/10
>sound tone is completely different from the rest of the album. But it is a good sample
overall: 6.714 / 10
>you found a great sound quality! although i feel that all the tracks are a bit too long, and your musical chops can use some work. overall a good album though
>>51870235
>>51870242
I'll just reply to both of you here, because we're just going in circles.
Yes, my definition of vaporwave is different from yours it seems. I consider Blank Banshee to be vaporwave and you two probably don't. There is no law that says something can't be vaporwave if it isn't "ironic" and lazily made pitchshifted 80's songs, though.
I am enjoying the evolution of vaporwave, or what you two probably consider non-vaporwave. You two will be left behind stuck listening to your hipster faggot shit like Floral Shoppe, but that's your loss.
However, there is no denying that Floral Shoppe displays no talent from its creator. It's just her own shitty take on Eccojams, an already mediocre album, which at times is nothing but theft.
There's nothing more I can really say about it, and nothing else either of you two can either, so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
>>51870003
>>51870316
You should spend time reviewing actual vaporwave, not broportrash and broceangrunge
>>51870331
>However, there is no denying that Floral Shoppe displays no talent from its creator. It's just her own shitty take on Eccojams, an already mediocre album, which at times is nothing but theft.
this is blatantly wrong though :^)
>People defending the amount of work put into Vaporwave albums
>People complaining about Vaporwave albums lacking musical effort
>People taking Vaporwave seriously
>"Proto-broporwave"
>Arguing about musical theft in a Vaporwave thread
>Thinking Vaporwave is suppose to be "good" in any conventional sense, and critiquing it because it's not
All kinds of plebs in this thread.
>>51870331
>calls eccojams a mediocre vaporwave album
>doesn't realize eccojams invented vaporwave
every word you say betrays your ignorance.
>this is trash
>literally anyone could've done this
>shows no talent from the creator.
>it was probably done in minutes
>talentless slut
>>51870395
I do realize this, of course. Just because something inspired something else doesn't mean it has to be good.
>>51870343
Which albums are oceangrunge and which are broceangrunge?
>>51870343
ill review it if you send me a link, ive listened to all the essential vaporwave albums already, im interested in what people are currently creating. plus every album can be reviewed in a civil way, theres no point in throwing somebody under the bus because they are new artists
>>51869326
r u even in the right thread or board? or u talkin bout vektroid in a porn? that happend? id watch
>>51870331
>Yes, my definition of vaporwave is different from yours it seems
*you* don't get to define vaporwave. It's already defined. You can cover your ears and wish it was different all you want, but it is how it is regardless of your opinion.
>You two will be left behind stuck listening to your hipster faggot shit like Floral Shoppe, but that's your loss
Nice strawman. You sure like to assume a lot, don't you? You're completely off.
>However, there is no denying that Floral Shoppe displays no talent from its creator
I just did, and I am. You've yet to prove to us by recreating the 420 track. You can sit here and ignore the post all you want, but the second you ignored it, you permanently lost all credibility and were proven objectively wrong.
>an already mediocre album
It's literally the grandather of vaporwave. The single album that started it all. You again just lost all credibility.
>so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
So you start the thread crying about objectivity, then end saying "b-b-but it's all just opinion!!!" when you get dumpstered.
>>51870262
This is also one of my favorites of the year
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1eiAPKfAVY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEwSfbE9IXc
>literally theft
>>51870456
Fuck off shanoxilt you hack
>>51868943
Sharing some REAL vaporwave with the OP, fuck the haters xD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwV0KBS6kfQ
>>51870485
>*you* don't get to define vaporwave. It's already defined. You can cover your ears and wish it was different all you want, but it is how it is regardless of your opinion.
Except that is exactly what you are doing.
Music genres evolve, you absolute retard. If they didn't, then Radiohead would be doing rock around the clock covers.
>I just did, and I am. You've yet to prove to us by recreating the 420 track. You can sit here and ignore the post all you want, but the second you ignored it, you permanently lost all credibility and were proven objectively wrong.
There's a total difference in recreating an entire song note for note, even if it is a shit song, and lazily smashing together some samples with little thought in two minutes. If you actually produced music you should know this. I even could do this anyway, but I don't have to and I won't.
>It's literally the grandather of vaporwave. The single album that started it all. You again just lost all credibility.
So what? What relevance does that have on whether it is good or not?
>>51870531
Yep, this is an excellent album and significantly better than Floral Shit. One of my favorite vaporwave albums.
>>51870591
blank banshee isn't vaporwave
>>51870561
>I even could do this anyway, but I don't have to and I won't.
you see guys? it's super easy and can be done in literally two minutes, he just doesn't feel like it. I haven't heard a rebuttal this bulletproof since middle school
>>51870609
He is vaporwave to me and many other people
Enjoy your precious genre "dying" before your eyes! All hail Blank Banshee and every other credible artist who takes the vaporwave aesthetic and does something original and interesting with it.
>>51870561
>Except that is exactly what you are doing.
I'm not making it up, I'm going off of pure numbers and history. Eccojams and Floral Shoppe are the prodigal creators of vaporwave and have influenced every single album in the genre. You say they're both trash and that everything that follows it is too, which means you don't like vaporwave. Again, it's like going into a hip-hop thread and crying about the lack of guitar solos
>If you actually produced music you should know this
But I do, and I'm more well-known then every half-vapor hack you've thrown at me.
> I even could do this anyway, but I don't have to and I won't.
No you can't. You really expect anyone to believe you? You're copping out so hard right now, and the fact that you refuse removes all credibility from what you say. You not doing it is saying that it was actually difficult to make.
>What relevance does that have on whether it is good or not?
The fact that the entire genre is indebted to it. The genre you don't understand at all.
>>51870531
oh banshee
>>51870609
you're right though
>>51870591
That album is the definition of broporwave, just so you know.
>>51870634
What if I do it, but I do it in the Vektroid style and just steal her version of the song, retitle it and say it's mine? Does that count, or does it only count when Vektroid does it?
>>51870531
anything other albums? any comments on this way of reviewing?
>>51870660
sure man, take your time. make whatever you think sounds good. we're all patiently waiting. I've got a couple minutes to spare.
>>51870659
Ok, then broporwave by your definition of the term is great. Blank Banshee is a fantastic artist and Vektriod is shit by comparison.
I love how the tide is turning anyway. It''s literally only these /mu/ threads where the hangers-on still crying for the slowed down 80's trash and claim everything else is shit. Everyone else is moving on. As always, /mu/ fags are stick in the past because they're so image-conscious and hipster.
I'm out anyway, later fags
>>51870660
Go for it. As long as you recreate the song. We're all eager to see just how easy it is ;^)
>>51870660
It counts if you were to create an entirely unique concept based on the ripping off his work.
http://youtu.be/7R_-icZpCTs?t=2m5s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmxnbXo5nOQ
>wtf? he literally stole their music
>>51870718
i don't know why, but you make me sad
>>51870667
do it in every thread imo, you'll be legendary. use that name theguyreviewingvaporwave everytime. you're fucking awesome.
>>51870718
>generic soundcloud trap with stupid N64 samples
>great
>I'm out anyway, later fags
Oh, how convenient you had to leave right as you actually had to prove your argument for once. You just lost the argument, friendo.
>>51870746
probably cause he's extremely ignorant and refuses to accept certain parts of arguments that destroy his logic
>>51870718
see you tomorrow
whats your guys opinion on this
https://clearvisiondreamproductions.bandcamp.com/album/--4
>>51870718
This is what happens when bros catch onto an obscure music style. They make it overly accessible and boring. Congratulations, you're a pleb.
>>51870667
http://qebaxugon.bandcamp.com
>>51870755
thanks! and will do, i feel like im making some sort of progress here with these reviews for some reason ha, great stuff btw
>>51870718
Somebody typed this out
Somebody sat at their computer
And typed this post out
And they MEANT it.
Holy shit.
I agree with OP. Floral Shoppe is "proto-broperwave" trash. Vaporwave is trash anyway. What Vektroid did was create a platform to where people can cry for attention without having to do much of anything. The idea behind eccojams was that they could be done by anybody. By taking that and coupling it with the concept of FSV this new "genre" was blessed with legitimacy when it's really just bastardization. This was better when it was just sunsetcorp-style videos on YouTube with no gimmicky names attached. No "releases". As soon as it was transformed into something that could be abused it was, and then there spawned this weird elitism against "broperwave" which is exactly what everybody was doing anyways. Vaporwave exists solely for whores, and yes, Vektroid/Vektordrum (for MySpace kids) was doing this before the "vaporwave" title but it doesn't change what she was doing. It's all bastardization and abuse.
>>51868943
Broporwave, really? This must be a joke by now. I understand dubstep fags making up the word "brostep" to defend their shitty genre, and I can understand how people would be dumb enough to think vapor wave is a genre but combining thr two? Get the fuck off of this board.
>>51870718
peace man, nobody in this thread respects your asinine opinion or your totally unvalidated claims.
>>51870718
you won't be missed
>>51870824
It breaks up the threads nicely. Like a little oasis in the middle of hell.
>>51870802
this is not even remotely related to vaporwave, i might still consider it though, ill probably review oceangrunge before this because that genre is actually related to vaporwave
>>51870912
try this
http://tokyoexchange.bandcamp.com/album/y2k-new-millenium-nightclub
>>51870912
Oceangrunge is quickly losing its sampling and synths. It's starting to resemble metal on some albums.
>>51870950
uh oh
captcha: duriee territory
>>51871002
Oceangrunge is similar to vaporwave but it really is its own thing. It's the post-internet version of grunge.
STORM MEMORIES by sea of dogs
track 1: 7/10
>great opening, the beats soaked in reverb are really nice. Plays with noise well, not making it too uncomfortable, but more like a fuzzy distortion. would listen again.
track 2: 6/10
> great tone but lacks anything interesting melody-wise to grab you. still a good track though, i enjoy the "tape warping" effects thrown in.
track 3: 6/10
> interesting vocal manipulation, however i feel like the song doesnt really progress much. the overall tone gives it extra points though.
track 4: 7/10
>Again, great use of noise within the tone of the music, this is definitely a stand out track for the album. similar to track 1
track 5: 5/10
>the mixing is a bit muffled in a bad way here, also not very interesting musically.
track 6: 7.5/10
>strong fade-in, really enjoyed that, goes right into a very classic swooning vocal piece.
track 7: 5/10
>has an off start, but does progress into something interesting. however a bit too generic sounding overall.
track 8: 7/10
>very triumphant start, opens into a beat oriented section. would say it works perfectly but i think the vocals are a bit too high in the mix
track 9: 5.5/10
>not the best closer to an album, the highs in the mix are a bit to high, and the vocal effects could have been toned down a bit.
overall: 6.222 / 10
>I love the tone of this record, however i feel that it wasn't used to its full capacity, overall a good listen, will be waiting to see how the next one will be.
>>51871274
Thank you for your time and effort! You've done a great service for the oceangrunge community.
>>51870839
>The idea behind eccojams was that they could be done by anybody.
honestly, I think Lopatin was just being humble, because honestly you have to have some knowledge of audio and some taste to do it.
>>51871291
eat shit
>>51871315
That was rude.
>>51871274
will theguyreviewingvaporwave ever give out a 10? Is there even an album that's 10 worthy?
I wonder these things.
>>51871314
He said as long as you have the rudimentary tools to edit audio you have the ability to make eccojams, which is true. Non-destructive transposition of pitch (IE no time stretching, or at least solid time stretching algorithms), delay, reverb, and some flanging is found on Eccojams. None of this requires much knowledge at all. It's a simple meditative musical practice. Sample choice is something completely different but taking the juiciest bits of pop songs, usually the hooks, is usually the best and simplest way to go. A majority of the samples on Eccojams are just choruses looped. "Be real. It doesn't matter anyway..." I don't think he was being modest at all. A good eccojam can be made in a couple of minutes.
Y2K: New Millenium Nightclub by Penthouse Apartment
track 1: 4.5/10
> not the most gripping start of an album, also some of the mixing is off but not enough to cause serious problems.
track 2: 5/10
> interesting sound manipulation here, although i would say it is a bit too repetitive.
track 3: 4.5/10
> takes far too long to go anywhere interesting. the latter part of the track becomes a bit too grating.
track 4: 5/10
> this track seems to be a bit more dynamic in sound is structurally rather nice. the sound quality is still a bit grating though, and the song is a bit too long.
track 5: 7/10
> great vocal manipulations!, i like the dynamic sound and ambient synths fading in and out. definitely a stand out on the album. the very end is a bit too harsh though.
track 6: 5/10
>opening with the dial tone again, i feel as though this track is misplaced in the album, although it does progress into something interesting (a bit too tinny in the mix).
track 7: 5/10
>much needed breathing room with this track, although i feel that i could be a bit shorter. the ending does not fit well.
track 8: 6.5/10
>a bit grating in the first few seconds, however it leads into a section with high fidelity tone. Much appreciated in this album
track 9: 7/10
>again, great vocal manipulation. i feel like this is your strongest quality in your music. enjoyable track.
track 10: 6/10
>decent closing track, not as atmospheric as the other vocal sample tracks but still enjoyable.
track 11: N/A
>11 second ringtone unnecessary
overall 6.05 / 10
>the record suffers from a bit too harsh of a sound quality in certain points. While there were some sound ideas, a lot of the ideas seem unnecessary
