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Everything is welcome
>>51729580
Picked this up recently, title track is GOAT
>>51729580
Love this as well, Freddie really was in peak form on this release. Shame he lost his chops around this time :[
Anything good from this year? Pic related was pretty nice melodic and rhythmic, but also adventurous large group jazz.
>>51729580
why best of
been listening to a lot of Kerecki recently. his duo album with pianist John Taylor in particular is exceptionnal
>>51731826
What's happening in pic related?
>>51731844
some great 2014 jazz
as the title suggests it's only nouvelle vague movies themes (which are often pretty jazzy by themselves) and one or two songs
for similar idea (but on piano solo this time, and only with Godard's movie themes), you can also try pic related
>>51731844
>>51731898
or if you're talking about the pic itself it comes from Godard's movie Le petit soldat. after it he gets tortured more severly
>>51731963
uh, I'm not totally awaken yet: it's indeed Godard, but it's Pierrot le fou, not Le petit soldat
>>51731800
oh yes
>>51729580
If you enjoy jazz, you must be a nigger.
>>51731800
http://www27.zippyshare.com/v/29584606/file.html
David Virelles- Mbókò: Sacred Music for Piano, Two Basses, Drum Set and Biankoméko Abakuá (2014)
>modern creative, spiritual jazz, Afro-Cuban
>Pianist David Virelles takes influence from his native land of Cuba and translates the traditional music of the Abakuá religion and interprets it with modern jazz sensibilities, producing music that sounds both traditional and sacred, and adventurous and modern. Between the dark harmony of the piano, the two double-basses, and the unique timbre of the Biankoméko drum, this is a very innovative and original record.
HAVE YOU GUYS HEARD MORNIN? OMG ITS GOOD
>>51732215
>>51732248
Yeah. You can always count on this thread to fill up your backlog.
>>51731800
Steve Lehamn Octet - Mise an Abime
>>51732215
I'l look after this one, I have only his s/t trio album
>>51731800
you can check >>51731844, and also pic related, a brilliant solo album
who's your favourite woman in jazz?
>>51733169
Marilyn Crispell (also a pianist, coincidentally), based on her tenure with Anthony Braxton.
>>51729580
>The Very Best of
>>51733169
to avoid the obvious Alice Coltrane answer, I'll say I'm tied between Joëlle Léandre and Jessica Williams
What do you guys think of Zorn?
Have you heard his Christmas album?
Also I don't know if this counts, but I picked up a used copy of James Blood Ulmer's Black Rock today.
>>51733169
Here's an underrated pianist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sutvim58cIQ
>>51733169
billie holiday, of course.
>>51733449
Ella Fitzgerald >>>>>>>>>>>>> Billie Holiday
>>51733473
I strongly disagree.
>>51733169
Sarah Vaughan
>>51729580
>best-of albums
This had better be a joke
>>51733486
What Ella Fitzgerald recordings have you heard?
>>51733507
i got two albums by her. clap your hands here comes charlie! & 30 by Ella.
then i heard many other recordings bot early & late. w. teddy wilson, louis armstrong etc.
i really like billie holiday better. is that ok with you, pls?
>>51733240
Crispell's album with Joseph Jarman, Connecting Spirits, is also pretty rad.
Braxton has worked with a ton of great female musicians as well. Ingrid Laubrock, Katherine Young, Joelle Leandre, etc.
>>51733662
And he's given a lecture series on women in creative music at Wesleyan for a long time!
I listened to that Anthony Braxton & Joëlle Léandre album a while back. I remember liking it.
>>51733374
yfw Toshiko Akiyoahi is Alex Sipiagin's mother in law
>>51729580
Do you guys think there is a lack of light hearted performers in modern jazz? There's a lot of good music being put out but I find myself gravitating more towards people like Dizzy Gillespie who were really amiable in the way they played and presented themselves.
It doesn't even have to be upbeat just that there doesn't seem to be as much playfulness.
>>51734150
Maybe Medeski Martin and Wood
>>51734150
>>51733169
GOAT Ella
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBfuoMpabHY
>>51734200
Are these guys any good? All I know about them is their kinda blue cover.
>>51733337
We talked about this briefly. I the general reaction was "I don't like the idea of John Zorn".
>>51734213
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INasigNsJ9A
Any RSD pickups?
>>51734230
I'd say the group is pretty good at what it does. I mean, it includes top players like Peter Evans and Jon Irabagon.
>>51734189
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOauk3Lbf_A
Fusion like this is kinda in a weird place. This is very funk influenced and I'd be sooner to call it that than jazz. Funk has never had a problem with being too serious.
>>51734200
Never heard of this before but the cover makes me suspicious. What's it like?
>>51734150
Nah. On certain record labels like ECM there definitely is, but even then there are some artists who don't take their music too seriously like Dave Holland or Paul Motion who recorded on ECM. In general I just see ECM as a serious artistic label where musicians record their ambitious and serious ideas. A lot of ECM artists also record on other labels with lighter ideas.
>>51734318
Listen away. Allegedly, Moppa Elliot (bass) was inspired by 1970s/1980s smooth jazz and the album transpired from that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBrIVfQ3nBg
>>51734367
Where else is good? I usually go for ECM and sometimes Criss Cross for modern stuff if I'm not looking for a particular artist.
>>51734380
Ha, this is class. The drums are fucking all over the place.
Can someone recommend some very fast, chaotic bebop? Just picked up "For Musicians Only" with Getz, Stitt, and Gillespie but need more.
>>51734448
I loved that record. The soloing is mad in it. The soloists are always going in such abstract directions away from the structure but the bass and drums do a great job of anchoring the whole thing. Everyone just felt so under pressure during the recordings and it came across in the soloing because they all sound so frantic which fits really well with the way Dizzy writes tunes.
If you've just picked it up I'd spend a while listening to it. Like give it a while to sink in and then try out Kenny Dorham - Whistle Stop
Not quite as intense as For Musicians only but a really nice bebop album that goes from really angular and out there stuff to a bit more straightforward. Really nice drumming that probably goes towards what you're looking for.
>>51734415
PosiTone, HighNote, SteepleChase, Enya, Blue Note... They all put out some lighter stuff
>>51734150
I absolutely agree. Jazz became so much more serious and elitistic. It's sad really.
>>51734633
are Blue Note still good these days?
>>51734680
See that's not really what I wanted to come across as saying. I really like albums like>>51734150
I just think there's been an attitude shift and that we could do with a few more people trying to make really good music that can still be really fun.
>>51734633
Haven't heard of some of these. Taking note.
Thanks anon.
>>51734762
They have some good releases still. A few stinkers but mostly good.
Seriously though, this album is amazing.
>>51734680
You don't know what you're talking about. There were plenty of serious and 'elitist' jazz records being made even back into the 50's.
There's still some jazz that's serious and artistic but there's plenty that's fun and doesn't take itself to seriously too. Go see some live jazz.
To all the people who ENJOYYYY this music... I have said it before, I will say it again, but this is the last time I will say it. This is crap. This is not real. I am a professional musician and this has been clinically proven by the American Medical Journel to have an ADVERSE effect on neural transmitters which are essential to everyday function. Now fuck off. I am fucking elegant. I will eloquently serve yo ass. GO home and tell your wife to fuck you in the face. THis music is just wrong. What? you're dum. fuck off. piss off. shit off. i have a problem with you. YOu are not welcome in my world, or anyone else's for that matter. I am annoyed. love me. fuck you. I am a PROFESSIONAL, do not QUESTION my predicament. For these reasons I will have to tell you to go eat a fuck. BADbye (Get it? Get it? GET IT?). now eat off you fugly ass-wenches!!!1!!1!
>>51734889
This reads like it was written by someone who isn't a native English speaker. Or maybe someone who was drunk.
>>51734889
that's lovely.
>>51734807
I also like more "serious" jazz, but why does ALL of it has to be so serious all the time? I mean, jazz musician are usually light hearted people, it's a shame they don't reflect it on their art.
>>51735004
You really have no idea what you're talking about, man. Go to mikesmastersclasses.com and watch some videos. Tell me if those folks are elitist dickheads or not.
>>51735004
things got intellectualized by pretentious try-hards like monk and mingus. it's no coincidence both wore funny hats. of course there's lots of jazz that is entertaining and has artistic merit.
>>51735084
lol, i'm not saying that all jazz is elitisitc. Just that it became more elitistic and serious over time.
Like i said before, Jazz musicians are usually light hearted and funny people, but it's a shame that they almost never (almost) reflect it with their art.
And jazz schools are definitely pretty elitistic, from my experience atleast.
>>51735141
What are you even trying to say? That you wish light hearted people made light hearted jazz? Why? What the fuck does that even mean?
From your experience in jazz school? I went to jazz school, did you?
>>51735141
>And jazz schools are definitely pretty elitistic, from my experience atleast.
Music schools can be like that. It's not just a jazz thing. Classical can be just as bad.
>>51735219
All music schools are elitist in some way. The best of the best are going to be extra competitive.
>>51735098
Except that they had really playful music too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcR2Q_teVM4
Mingus usually sounded like he was having a blast when he was playing and wrote and played his material to be really enjoyable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxailNkhpXs
Monk did too in his own kinda odd syncopated, idiosyncratic way.
People were playing this music academically before them though so I wouldn't go around blaming them just because they were influential and often took their playing seriously.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaPeks0H3_s
>>51735004
>>51735084
>>51735141
>>51735195
This is why I didn't want to start this argument. Someone always ends up getting pissed off.
>jazz school
that's the problem right there. in the good ol' days of jazz music, there were no jazz schools. you'd start out in a high school band, if you had money, go to music school. but most of the real learning was done one the road.
jazz school... fuckin hell.
>>51735195
I'm saying that people should reflect their personality on their art.
And not only i went to a jazz school, i visited a lot of them too. And it always felt like everybody took Jazz why more seriously than they should.
>>51735237
It's really not that I'm pissed off, it's that I just think what you're saying (that it's a "shame" that more light-hearted people don't make more light-hearted jazz) is totally nonsensical. What do you want, man? If you want to listen to Sunday brunch jazz, fucking do it. There are hundreds of jazz musicians out there doing exactly that because that's what they want to do. There are more musicians out there than 10 dudes from the 60s, you know.
>>51735272
yessssss! this is what i mean! Jazz schools ruined the cool image that jazz used to have. Now people just look at jazz like it's some boring old people music.
>>51735229
That's mostly true. I like to think my school is pretty inclusive of non classical/jazz music. However I feel like if my school was more selective and serious about our players' skill levels things could be a lot better.
>>51735272
Times have changed. You really need to be a solid player to get gigs these days. There aren't too many of them and there some really good players out there who want even the crappier gigs cause they need the money.
Could any of you people who've actually studied jazz recommend a rock bassist some good ways to transition over to jazz?
I know scales and how to construct chords quite well and I can play along aptly to a lot of simpler blues stuff but I find it hard to figure out a lot of the chords to bebop tunes by ear.
Could people maybe rec some standards that are easy enough to learn and play?
>>51735384
Not that dude hun. I just think you should calm down a little.
>>51735407
Take The A Train
It's easy, fun, and just a really great tune overall. You'll also have a lot of freedom to do what you want as a bassist.
>>51735407
>any of you people who've actually studied jazz recommend a rock bassist some good ways to transition over to jazz?
>I know scales and how to construct chords quite well and I can play along aptly to a lot of simpler blues stuff but I find it hard to figure out a lot of the chords to bebop tunes by ear.
>Could people maybe rec some standards that are easy enough to learn
There are plenty of good resources on this for youtube. The biggest thing for me was learning how to play within form.
That and transcribing what other people are doing. It sounds stupid, but Mel Bay has a lot of good books. You'll need to learn how to read music but if you are looking to transition, there is an abundance of information. Just need to choose which methodology works best for you.
>>51735407
Go download the real book and start playing some tunes. As a bassist you're gonna have to be able to play the head of the song, do a walking bass line over the changes and then solo over the changes. Walking is gonna be your biggest challenge for a while especially when you start playing tunes with harder changes.
>>51735389
>muh cool image
Jazz newfag here, only listened to Jaco and Weather Report stuff, which i really like but don't know here to go from there. Any recs?
>>51735522
Return to Forever (or just Chick Corea), Mahavishnu Orchestra, Herbie Hancock.
>>51735522
Return to Forever
what's everyone's favourite mingus work?
pic-related is mine.
>>51735430
Lol this was actually one of the like 3 standards I have learned. I do like that it's really easy to fit in chormatisism and still keep it really fluid but I often find myself sticking too close to the shapes of the chords. Like I'm thinking "now I'm playing over the Cmaj7 and now the Dmaj7" without a lot of thought as to moving between the two really smoothly.
>>51735447
I haven't done any transcribing but I have heard that helps. Thing is, I don't have a huge amount of theory. I'm not classically trained so beyond noticing that something doesn't belong to a progression I don't think I'd actually be able to asses what I was transcribing. I can tentatively read music though so there's that.
>>51735495
>Go download the real book and start playing some tunes.
Will do. Most of the stuff I have been playing hasn't been too strenuous but I've not had a huge amount of trouble keeping up walking bass lines. I'm pretty strong rhythmically.
for those in jazz school: do kids exclusively listen to 1960's (and later) jazz these days? or is there still some respect and interest for louis armstrong, lester young, coleman hawkins, roy eldridge etc. Are those greats of old still being taught at all?
On 4chan seemingly no-one is interested in swing, bb, dixieland etc.
>>51735584
Pls don't play it as DMaj7
>>51734889
the funny thing is that if it's ironically intended i value you even lower
>>51735543
>>51735544
thankies, will check them out
>>51735603
Of course not. Bebop, swing and hard-bop are the styles that are really taught at jazz school. Pre-bop and bebop are probably what are studied the most. Most schools don't even really get into jazz after the early 60's. As for what the students listen to... It's a mixed bag. I know jazz students who don't listen to almost anything modern and I know some who really keep up with everything coming out now.
>>51735679
glad to hear that.
>>51734150
You just gotta get down with the clown.
But seriously, Han Bennink, Misha Mengelberg, Ab Baars and the gang are always really fun.
>>51735603
Earliest thing people listen to is Bird and Dizzy in my experience. People listen to a lot of stuff from the late 50's and on. I'd be surprised if any more than a handful of my friends listened to any of those guys.
I don't really like to listen to anything before the late 50's really. The audio quality is really gets to me. I have a lot of trouble listening past it.
>>51735753
>Han Bennink
can't stand his antics.
>>51735766
Louis Armstrong also comes to mind when it comes to older jazz a lot of people listen to
>>51735775
Oh, you don't enjoy this duet with plastic dog?
http://youtu.be/qB1CNSvx8gs?t=9m27s
>>51735868
i find it embarrassing & painful to watch. i also think it has no artistic merit whatsoever.
>>51735584
>mfw you play bars 3+4 of A Train as Dmaj7
>mfw this guy can't hear a flat 7th and raised 5th because rock and roll is all about 'muh roots'
>>51735861
louis armstrong & earl hines may well be the best jazz combo of all time.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNYWDhVhf5E
Mind blown a few days ago, with that human wah-wah at the end.
>pic related, The Boswell Sisters
