ITT: phrases that annoy you.
"good music."
>Magnum Opus
"goose music"
>meme-genre
>wankery
>soulless
>cheesy
>doesn't go anywhere
>sounds like x mixed with y
>>51471758
"indie rock"
>>51471758
"All of a sudden..."
"Jenny Death when"
>>51471810
as opposed to "alternative rock"
>>51471758
>real music
>white person with acoustic guitar
>folk
>>51471804
Prog fan detected
>>51471804
>>wankery
>someone says he doesn't like jazz
>i ask why
>HURR DURR IZ ALL WANKERY
it's truly the worst
>>51471810
>>51471824
>like bands like The Walkmen and The National
>someone asks what music i listen to
>push "indie rock" through my teeth
What other label can I put on this, since "indie rock" doesn't really mean anything anymore? "Alternative" is outdated, and I feel people think of mainstream acts from the late 90s that got lots of radio play when they hear that word, and "rock" is too broad.
>I like every genre except for X
>Essential listening
>>51471821
as opposed to all of the sudden?
>>51471758
Rockism
dad-rock
fedora-core
i dont even listen to much classic rock i just think the phrases are stupid
>>51471882
sadboy guitar pop
phrases that annoy you
ITT
"kanye west is a genius"
>>51471887
>>Essential listening
this so much
>you must kneel before the sacred cow because some music journalists gave them good reviews fourty years ago and a bunch of then-upcoming musicians tried to sound like them
>overrated/underrated
>pretentious
>memerap, memealbum, etc.
>meme
>alternative
>>51471906
Even though Jack Black was referring to Belle & Sebastian in that scene in High Fidelity, I do often refer to what I listen to as "Sad Bastard music."
>>51471951
even better
this or "Hipster bullshit", followed by a shit-eating grin
>>51471823
unhid this post from my filter to agree with you.
"ITT"
>>51471804
this
fucking hate reading "cheesy" everytime i come to /mu/, like what the fuck.
>>51471950
These, except alternative. It is basically a meaningless word, but I really don't see anyone use it anymore, so it doesn't bug me. If people still used it, I could see it grating.
Also, anyone using a Pitchfork/Scarufi/Fantano review to shut down someone's opinion, whether positive or negative.
>>51471758
> sophisticated music is good music and that music is western classical made by white men this is the only good music
>"enjoyment is a shallow form of appreciation"
"pig out"
disgusting.
The
>fact
>>51472191
*inhales*
that
>>51472213
>that
>>51472191
Fuck you.
>>51471901
as opposed to "suddenly"
>>51471758
Normally, I would call you a faggot, so I will.
>Faggot
>commit sudoku
>delete system 32
>walk the dinosaur
>>51472274
eveything has changed
>>51472280
epic meme
>I don't like metal
>>51472335
>>I don't like [genre]
>>51471804
>liking plastic in your ears
>being a part of the loudness wars problem
>not liking live music
symphonic meal child detected
"Now THAT'S REAL MUSIC"
real dubstep
>>51472391
>Now that's what I call music
>generic
>bland
>overrated
>derivative
>tryhard
>boring
>uninteresting
unless these are said about tycho
>>51472456
Depending upon the social context, that might be useful to distinguish
There's so much room in between what it was then and what it is popularly considered now that I wouldn't mind hearing it dropped at all tbh
>>51472496
>>derivative
this
>>51472496
> I like every genre except rap!!1
>>51472536
>I listen to every genre except Country
>>51472529
if you actually use those terms seriously please leave
>>51472382
yfw chefs start using musical terms for their celebrity tv shows...
>that was a simply symphonic meal. started off piano, I experienced taste crescendos and then it finished off with a ritardando of smooth warm soulful notes of flavour to linger in your mouth, body, and mind.
Derivative is a great description. How else do you communicate that a band has latched onto the success of their idols and relies on that as the source for all of their shallow creativity?
>>51472567
It's the fact that the term is usually used as the only criticism of a band, and that it is used so frequently and often incorrectly that probably pisses people off.
>>51472295
ah-ahhh-ahhh-ahhh
ahhhh ah-ah-ahh
>>51472517
yup. all music is derivative. So what if Green Day wasn't the first to play 3 chords with an abrasive voice. They do it well.
*awaits shitstorm for mentioning Green Day*
>>51472558
Every single word you used, except for overrated, is useful in many musical contexts.
>>51472611
criticism not being one of them
>>51472599
>"abrasive voice"
>using asterisks to indicate current action
straight back to reddit for you
>>51472633
Criticism being all of them, His Eldergay Tripfaggotness.
>>51472599
>green day
you asked for it
>>51472100
>>51472599
>>51472611
Checkin those digits.
>"I only like songs with lyrics"
>"I just listen to whatever's on the radio"
>objective
>subjective
>>51472665
Please explain how "tryhard" is a legitimate criticism.
>real hip-hop
>rocker
>>51472680
Those are memes with literally as much meaning as um or uh.
>>51472685
no true scotsman
>this isn't even in english, why are you listening to it?
>music
>>51472716
:^) *tiips fedora*
>>51472683
>implies inaccurate derivation that focuses on intensifying and replicating a few, many or all elements of the progenitor that ultimately does not fulfill the intentions of the original music or oversteps its bounds in the attempt itself
>>51472100
>pointing toards the ethnicity/country of residence or origin/gender/social status of a musician whilst criticizing them
this is seriously the worst
worse than putting "artist" or similar in quotes
>>51472382
where did say any of that, or did you just accidentally link my post
>>51472496
this this this
>>51472746
Maybe that's what you imply but no one infers that.
>or nah
>>51472711
literally who?
>>51472778
Maybe you don't infer that because you prefer to see buzzwords as buzzwords instead of looking into the underlying implications. It's not hard.
>>51472782
>Finna
>>51472806
No, it's more like no one else uses those buzzwords that way. They usually refer to their image when they say they're tryhard. If that's what you think it implies, then surely you've seen how many times it's wrongly used.
>>51472746
exactly
that is a bullshit non-criticism
>muh authenticity
>artist flowchart
Bitch it's supposed to be chronological. See how the artist progresses.
>>51472829
stop posting thanks
>>51472819
Then why not call them out? You seem to enjoy debating on /mu/, especially when you throw out bait like Tycho.
>>51472823
What is a bullshit non-criticism?
>>51472782
>bruh
>>51472857
>Then why not call them out?
I do. It just happens so often that the people who use it the way you do are in the very very small minority so the phrase itself annoys me.
>especially when you throw out bait like Tycho
That was just a joke. I'm guilty of using those terms to describe Tycho because I see no other way to.
>>51472842
>>51472829
>Bitch it's supposed to be chronological. See how the artist progresses.
>Bitch it's supposed to be
>Bitch
>>51472857
>What is a bullshit non-criticism?
the entirety of the post?
ýou're basically saying "it's not as good as something similar that came before it and/because it tries something similar"
that's non sequitur
>ultimate chillout
>>51472829
bitch ain't nobody got time for that
>>51472900
Just curious, do you really think everyone that says 'tryhard' on /mu/ is trolling? I hardly ever see it used in that sense, and generally see it used in a serious sense. If I don't know the area of music being discussed, I'll be wary, but if I know the area I'll be able to distinguish. Do you not have a good troll radar or something? How long have you been on here?
>>51472930
You probably didn't read the comment chain.
>>51472364
dis
>>51472966
Why the fuck do you think a word becomes a "buzzword"? People overuse it to the point of inaccuracy.
>>51472987
Truth in every lie, Mr. Tripfag. Legitimate buzzwords become such because people recognize a new way to describe something they're already familiar with in an accurate fashion that sheds more light on the nature of the thing itself. Then, there are troll buzzwords, like 'memerap.' The buzzword 'tryhard' is a legitimate criticism.
>>51473043
Do you believe everything people on here say or...?
trap influenced beats
Think it's been said already, but pretentious.
>>51473061
No. I have a well-tuned troll radar, as I mentioned. I can also take a joke. We're on 4chan, after all.
>>51473089
Clearly you can't, since you got so butthurt about my Tycho joke.
>>51473080
Yes. I can't even watch Fandango's hip hop reviews anymore because of it.
>>51473105
Where did I ever imply I was upset about you using Tycho as bait?
>>51473168
When you implied it was bait.
>>51473174
Bait isn't a normative statement of "this artist is good," are you dense? Tycho happens to be relatively polarizing because some worship him as the god of chillout electronic music but others, like you, see him as bland. Which is a legitimate criticism, as I have defended.
>>51473174
shutup tripshit noone cares what u think
>>51473205
Yes, and my joke about him wasn't meant to incite rage in the former group. Thus it's not bait.
>>51473205
>>51473217
at least wait a while after the post timer ends
>>51473224
>>51473233
lol, like one second?
>>51471758
I honestly think that 9 out of 10 people who use this phrase use it in the "in my opinion good music" sense rather than "objectively good music". At some point it just gets annoying to have to clarify that it's an opinion with everything you say.
>>51473251
I'm not the one pretending to be two people, fucko.
>>51473224
Kek. The interesting thing about this is that you end up agreeing with me that the words you initially discarded as non-criticisms like 'bland' and 'derivative' are actually legitimate, given that your reference to Tycho is now apparently _not_ bait, but instead legitimate dislike using those exact words. Might want to stop posting.
>>51473261
Yeah normal people can pick up in a conversation when you mean objective facts or subjective opinions. However most denizens of /mu/ are cripplingly autistic and can't pick up on that and assumes no one else can either.
>>51473269
They're subjective descriptors disguised as objective. They're not legitimate criticisms.
>>51471941
he's very good at being a popstar, but by no means a genius. honestly kanye might've destroyed the future of hip hop with his pop rap.
>>51473293
First of all, you're backpedaling instead of just taking one for the tripcode and admitting you're wrong and have been had. Second of all, no rational person worth conversing with would tell someone that music criticism is objective.
>>51473265
lol, I'm actually a different person, only one of the people you replied to.
>>51473217 (You)
at least wait a while after the post timer ends
^ I'm (You)
>>51473337
>you're backpedaling
How? That was my point the entire time.
>taking one for the tripcode
Why are you so fixated on this?
>Second of all, no rational person worth conversing with would tell someone that music criticism is objective.
You can describe the music in an objective way that reveals what you dislike subjectively.
>>51473361
because you're creating an identity on a mongolian string bean photo forum is silliness, and either trolling, or attention-seeking of a different sort.
>>51473361
The backpedaling occurred after I pointed out that you ended up using the exact initial words you supposedly dislike in music criticism to illustrate your dislike for Tycho, which you said is not bait.
I'm not fixated on your tripcode. It's pretty common practice to heckle tripfags for having one, but after a post or two we got down to real conversation. You just have to weather it.
You cannot describe something objectively that implies subjectivity. "This piece is in a minor key" does not imply depressing, etc. it is simply a statement of fact.
>objectively
Motherfucker music is subjective. For every person that upholds a song for a reason they deem objectively superior, ten more will call it objectively awful for that same reason. It's just a way for pretentious faggots to pretend their taste in music is somehow of higher quality than the rest.
>>51472280
return to /b/ please
>>51473436
>music is subjective
This is what insecure plebeians believe.
>>51473431
No, it's not bait; it's a joke. Learn the difference.
>You cannot describe something objectively that implies subjectivity.
Someone could say "I dislike the disjointedness of the album because it detracts from its consistency" when something is intentionally disjointed while someone else says "I like the disjointedness of the album because it adds to its chaotic nature."
>>51472280
>>51473456
https://www.google.com/search?q=1412204288634s
holy shit this guy really is a /b/tard
>>51472545
."and classical"
this
>>51473487
shutup tripfag no-one cares what you think.
>>51473477
Sorry, can't hear you over my highly eclectic music library!
>>51472858
including when white teenagers are trying to act black
>>51473487
Disjointedness implies a reference point of constancy, which is in and of itself an objective status. Seriously, your arguments are getting feeble. If you want to continue this, please do, but put some more thought into it so we can have better conversation.
>>51473492
take your /b/ and go home
>>51473528
>eclecticism over quality
>seriously denying objectivity in music
Epitome of plebatory behavior everyone.
>>51473550
why are you quoting me tho
>>51473548
>Disjointedness implies a reference point of constancy, which is in and of itself an objective status.
Yes, no shit? That's exactly what I was saying.
>>51473551
>eclecticism over quality
Never said that - if something is shit it doesn't stay in my library. That's why I only have the title track to ITAOTS because the rest was filth.
>seriously denying subjectivity in music
Epitome of plebatory behaviour everyone - only plebs let others tell them what to like based on arbitrary "objective" factors.
>>51473583
Might want to reread the whole post chain, bruh. Either something's awry in your brain or you're experiencing a little 4chan PTSD. I pity you either way.
>>51473620
>arbitrary
Spoken like a true natural pleb.
>>51473637
>You can describe the music in an objective way that reveals what you dislike subjectively.
You've yet to refute this.
>>51473575
stop
>>51473637
>4chan PTSD
This explains me right now perfectly
>>51473477
It is.
>style over substance
>>51473665
Do you know how to link backwards based on who you quoted? Ten times out of ten it's in your post, and you can then link backwards. I already addressed that issue.
>it's too complex for you
>you'd need to know theory/play instrument to enjoy this
It's shitty music if you can't enjoy it without those
And it bothers me even more because I know theory and play multiple instruments but they still keep telling me that shit
>"if x and y had a baby, and that baby..."
>>51473686
dude just look at this guy right away his stare pierces my skull
>>51473710
No, you didn't. You said it wasn't possible, I offered an example, and you were like, "n-no because that's using objectivity as a reference point," which is exactly what I said.
>>51473645
Well that's a very arbitrary opinion
>>51473620
>I only have the title track to ITAOTS because the rest was filth
>>51473707
I dunno, I prefer catchier music over music with "substance" - whatever that is, I'm guessing /mu/core because it's the most boring music I've ever heard. Ratatat > NMH all day every day
>>51473749
Well, Mr. Eldergay Tripfaggot, I'll play your game of "coming somewhere close to replying to the person that is chastising me the most regarding music and objectivity and subjectivity." I am literally all ears.
>music is my life
>only listens to pleb music
>finds instrumental music boring
>>51473804
This post was literally meaningless. Please contribute with something other than a non sequitur.
