http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/nov/09/transgender-punk-inclusivity-men
>If punk is the ultimate anti-establishment scene, why is it still run by all these white men?
>But in reality, men run the scene, men are the scene, and men always have been and probably always will be at the center of the scene. As a trans woman, sometimes I just go through the motions: I do my work, I perform my best, I seek out my moments of joy.
What's your answer, /mu/?
>>51413248
this is just dancing on punks poorly made grave
>>51413300
seconding
>>51413300
double dubs confirms it
Any sort of punk scene has been irrelevant since the cold war, unless you count the rise of pop punk as a genre.
>Genesis Porrige
>a woman
he transitioned because he wanted to be just like his soulmate, not because of dysphoria
what i'm waiting for is some hardcore feminists in the media to complain about trannies because of "gender appropriation" or some shit. they're already starting to get mad at regular gay men
>>51413480
>unless you count the rise of pop punk as a genre
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>>51413248
>Why are there white men in a genre created by white men?
>Why are there white men in an artistic medium created by white men?
>Why are there white men in a society created by white men?
The mental gymnastics these people do
Clearly we need more diversity in hobbies.
>yfw civilized discussion about race will never occur because of the shouting match between white liberals and white conservatives
>>51413665
Pro tip: it doesn't get better ;^)
>memegender
>i'm so binary positive fluid questioning pansexual xD *holds up spork*
>>51413643
>genre created by white men
lol
>artistic medium created by white men
lol
>society created by white men
i'll give you that one but if we're specifically talking about the US, the society would have never functioned without slavery so the black slaves created the society as well.
>>51413695
Marxism is literally a meme philosophy
>>51413701
>what is protopunk
Sorry, Death weren't the first.
>>51413701
I was talking about europe, multiculturalism doesn't matter in the us because it lacks a culture or identity and prides itself on individualism
Europe however has a concrete personality
>>51413727
it all depends on what we look at it for
I mean if we're going for the root of it all, punk spawned from rock which spawned from the blues which spawned from African spirituals and whatnot
And protopunk =/= punk music
>>51413711
Libertarianism is even more meme.
>If there is one ethos of punk, and especially DIY (Do It Yourself) punk, it is that the punk world is for everybody: anyone can sing, anyone can play, anyone can listen, anyone can participate.
oh god
>>51413739
>US doesn't have culture or identity
Everyone go home. It's just another Eastern European wingnut
>>51413766
Libertarianism is post meme ie fedora tipping ironic memery
Marxism is Facebook grandma meme
>>51413739
>US lacks culture or identity
you're right on the individualism but there's definitely a loose identity of sorts
But Europe is irrelevant here. USA spawned punk, the society it crawled forth from, and the core source of music that it evolved from
>>51413767
That's pretty much what the idea behind punk in the DIY sense is tho
As an aside, do racists skinheads still exist?
>>51413977
Yes.
>>51413977
yes. they are mostly older men who became skinheads when they were younger and never got past that phase.
>>51413977
come down to Yorba Linda sometime, Anon
>people actually think you can change your gender and that gender isn't the same thing as biological sex
What happened?
>>51413977
None of these skinhead faggots would've ever been approved by Hitler. Covering your body in degenerate tattoos and listening to degenerate punk music, that's not even close to being a proper Nazi.
>>51414122
This. I have never understood how they don't get that.
>why isn't my mental illness well represented
Because people with your mental illness spend more time being mentally ill and suicidal than they do making good music.
>>51414112
People understood the meaning of words.
>>51413977
I thought racist skinheads had long since disassociated themselves with music in general until I saw shitty Hatebreed at a shitty metal festival last year.
Why would anyone care whether they can be part of some scene of not
>>51414185
but I wanna be punk and and I also want to be a girl now
ITS NOT A PHASE!!!
>>51413480
>YFW Cold War 2 has just begun.
>YFW punk is finally relevant again.
>>51414185
SJWs have no sense of self and base their entire identity off of some sort of scene. They also thrive off of the pity of others and are offended when people invalidate their "problems".
>>51414236
Sweet.
Who's "running" punk?
>>51414337
anyone who showers regularly
>>51414122
So what, Goring was a blazing homosexal tranny.
>>51413643
She's not asking why there are white men, she's asking why there's so few females and non-whites.
>>51414337
Punks, as always.
Punks are the only people who complain constantly about their own "scene"
Its because they are poor dirty degenerate low lifes with nothing else to waste their time on
>>51414372
Women and minorities have better taste in music.
>>51414395
As a dirty degenerate low-life, I can confirm this to be true.
>>51414372
becuase they aren't as frustrated. The women just fuck the minorities and the minorities fuck the women.
all the white dudes are just left leading useless lives until they meet some slut that is finally ready to settle down at 35 so at 20-something white guys have to release their frustrations through punk music.
I'm mexican btw, going to hang out with a white girl tonite catch you all later :^)
Don't understand the butthurt
If there's any genre and scene that really ought to think about what it's doing with regards to exclusivity regards to gender race and sexuality, it's punk.
>>51414452
that's such an oddly specific idea that I couldn't help lol'ing
(white) Men run many things in the western world because eventually at some point you have to rely on merit to get things done, instead of sentimentality and pity.
Because most men aren't part of the establishment. Does a white men born into a poor family have any institutional power? No he doesn't. Feminists are just so incredibly delusional that they think all white men are born with a silver spoon in their mouths.
>>51414524
White men are so delusional that they think they deserve credit for the work of their ancestors ;^)
>>51414547
Muh
Peanut
Butter
>>51414547
Black people are so delusional they thing they deserve restitution for the work of their ancestors
>>51413248
Punk is gay. Shit is played out like 80s disco.
>>51414567
>>51414577
Muh white genocide
>>51414483
My thoughts exactly
>>51414524
>does a white men born into a poor family have any institutional power?
While they do lack much of the power that wealthy whites possess, the organization of society still favors and gives more power to white males. Their odds of rape, racial profiling, etc are far lower than women or minorities
>>51414603
>Being reasonable about race
Don't you know that makes you an SJW? Don't you know that an SJW is the worst thing you can possibly be?
>>51414603
Because white men made this society, no shit there is "privilege"
You don't see anyone whining about Chinese privilege in China
>>51414639
>Wishing western society were more like China
