what are some rap songs that aren't in 4/4?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57xF4E5NDL0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOUqx0gZiGQ
Song is in 3/4
>>51384640
This is clearly in 4/4
>>51384640
4/4
>>51384642
6/8
idiots.
>>51384640
thats 4/4 you retard
>>51384642
thats 6/8 not 3/4
Hunger Games - Death Grips is difficult for me to identify. 6/8 maybe?
Only hip hop song with a syncopated beat that works that comes to mind.
Spaceship by Kanye
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGM6N0qXeu4
full moon is like 9/8 right?
how can u tell
Is there such a thing as 15/16 rap ?
>>51384804
thats just niggers who dont know how to use a drum machine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbU9UUwxBxA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2GozE6XEqg guest rapper raps in 3/4 on top of a 4/4 beat
>>51384825
my sides
Rap in 6/8 is actually quite common
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjQLhj4kzR4
Mos Def's verse is in 3/4 I think
>>51384664
What's the difference between 6/8 and 3/4?
Isn't 6/8 simplified to 3/4?
>>51384971
It has something to do with the complexity of the bar, some 6/8 can be simplified to 3/4 and some not.
>>51384971
it's not just simplifying fractions, they're different. In 6/8 it would be kick on the 1 and snare on the 4, but 3/4 is kind of a waltz kick snare snare thing.
>>51384971
6/8 is essentiall two sets of triplets (three eighth notes tied together) like Bumdumdum Bumdumdum
3/4 is a duple meter with 3 quarter notes and would end up sounding more like Bum Bum Bum. and eighth notes would be in two's like bumdum bumdum bumdum.
>>51384971
It's all about the accent
' shows where the accent is
3/4: 1' & 2' & 3' &
6/8: 1' & 2 &' 3 & (you wouldn't count it like that, but that's the general idea).
>>51384987
>>51384995
Can you tell me what time signature this song is in?
https://frozenzoo.bandcamp.com/track/cigarette-burns
>>51384971
Both have 6 quarter notes in each bars, but the feel is different.
3/4 feels like : Tada Tada Tada
6/8 feels like : Tadada Tadada
>>51385041
6/8
>>51385044
i mean... 8th notes
>>51384971
It's not a fraction motherfucker, you can't simplify it.
3/4 means there are 3 beats per measure and a quarter note is one beat.
6/8 means there are 6 beats per measure and an eighth note is one beat.
6/8 also automatically accents the first, third, and fifth beat, whereas 3/4 will only rarely accent the first.
>>51385060
oh neat
>>51385063
>6/8 also automatically accents the first, third, and fifth beat,
It only does that in rare cases, it's always accented on the first and fourth eighth note
>>51385063
>6/8 also automatically accents the first, third, and fifth beat, whereas 3/4 will only rarely accent the first.
this is incorrect. 6/8 is a triple meter and will accent the 1st and 4th eighth notes of the bar while 3/4 typically accents the first note of the bar (listen to any basic Waltz for an example of this)
>/mu/ talking about music theory
>>51385126
bunch of fucking retards
>>51385126
>music theory
>>51384971
Despite what these autists are saying, although they are not fractions, they are indeed interchangeable. 3 quarter notes can occupy the same space as 6 eighth notes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pc3kD2iV8w
Tldr rap is not a very musically exciting genre.
The Long Vein Of The Law goes into an odd-time passage towards the end, but it's mostly in four.
Subtle is probably your best bet overall for the prog rap.
>>51385255
Why can't it be?
I don't like rap per se but I would listen to a sufficiently complex avant-rap album if the lyrics are adequately artistic as well.
>>51385207
>3 quarter notes can occupy the same space as 6 eighth notes.
while this is true
>they are indeed interchangeable.
this is not
The accented beats are different.
>>51385126
>15 year old using a memecode
>>51385063
>>51385276
How can you know which beats are accented for a given time signature?
>>51385305
You don't. It depends on your part in the song.
That's why I don't even say the second number in the time signature anymore, because is it in 3, 4, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, etc?
>>51384661
>>51384664
That's definitely 3/4
>>51385273
you seem like a fun guy
just kidding, actually you seem like the kind of person who uses "good taste" to cover up their lack of personality
>>51385305
6/8 accents 1 and 4 and sounds like two sets of eighth note triplets - OooOoo
3/4 typically accents the first beat but is played with 3 quarter notes that dont tie together. when eighth notes are played they are tied together two at a time and would give the impression of accented beats every other beat OoOoOo (or in just quarter notes something more similar to O o o)
>>51385372
Ok but what about for other time signatures?
Spread Eagle Cross the Block
>>51385372
This all becomes sort of meaningless once you start incorporating polyrhythms, because different parts could be accenting different beats, or even playing against each other entirely, and it could still sound organized.
>>51385377
The accents are on 1, 3 and 5
Plus the rhythm is
Q E. S E E
Not something you would see in 6/8
>>51385332
>You don't. It depends on your part in the song.
the overall beat of the song in 68 comes on 1 and 4, despite what you might be playing in a piece the big picture will clearly show accented beat based on the time signature.
>>51385407
polyrhythms still follow typical rhythmic patterns though, there's just more than one time signature going on.
>>51385394
well, triple meters (9/8, 12/8, etc.) will have a triplet feel too it (OooOooOoo for 9/8)
duple meters have beats on the quarter notes (3/4, 4/4, 6/4, etc.) so theres a duple feel (O O O O O O or OoOoOoOoOoOo for 6/4))
>>51384971
its the same shit disregard the autists
the only difference in 6/8 and 3/4 is on the performer. music in 6/8 can be translated to 3/4 and vice versa
>>51385465
Of course. Hence >>51385332
>>51385481
This post is retardedly wrong. Take a basic music class or maybe read the wikipedia page on time signatures at least before you try to discuss this sort of thing.
>>51385465
What about 7/8 or 9/8 ?
>>51385487
sure but people ITT seem to be seriously struggling with the absolute basics of time signatures. There's no need to confuse the simpler minds with polyrhythms or anything even mildly complex.
>>51385481
That's not how it works
>>51385521
sure it is. ive done some pieces where certain parts are written in 6/8 and other parts are written in 3/4
>>51385520
They're not drummers.
>>51385508
9/8 is a triple meter and this is divided into triplets OooOooOoo
7/8 is a little different and typically divides into one set of 3 eighth notes and two sets of two eighth notes in a fashion similar to OooOoOo. This is not particularly uncommon and is actually fairly common in spanish music.
>>51385481
this post made me exhale slightly harder than I usually would
>>51384831
damn
>>51385571
You could fuck with a 9/8 though. It doesn't just have to be sets of three.
It can be four and then five, two and seven, etc.
>>51385547
Maybe you meant 6/8 and 2/4? 6/8 and 3/4 would be weird, but I see what you are saying
>>51385564
Irrelevant. Any and all musicians should be familiar with time signatures. Especially if there was scholastic playing with a group.
>>51385547
So you've switched meters in the middle of a piece. What are you getting at?
>>51385598
And then you could have another nigga playing sets of three against that.
Fuck yeah.
>>51385606
the parts are being played by different sections simultaneously rtard
>>51385598
>It can be four and then five, two and seven, etc.
that wouldnt be 9/8 though. 9/8 is, by definition, a triple meter. a meter of 4 and then 5 would just be two separate bars with different time signatures.
So yeah, you can fuck with it but then you wont actually be playing in that time signature.
ITT:anons trawling google and posting the first songs they find in similar threads to make their hip hop knowledge appear encyclopedic
>>51385646
>this
>>51385622
Well then its a polyrhythm, dumbfuck. They still arent playing in the same time signature.
>>51385643
But if you have multiple parts going on, see >>51385614 you could go with a 8/8
>>51385646
no one is even posting songs ITT anymore. Its jsut a handful of morons arguing about time signatures.
>>51385646
I didn't have to google. I remembered a song from a similar thread yesterday.
>>51385676
I mean a 9/8.
4/4 and 8/8 is the same
>in b4 shitstorm
>>51385676
then it would be a polyrhythm, shitlord. A single instrument can only be playing in one time signature at a time and those time signatures have been well defined. When multiple instruments are playing together but in separate time signatures its called a polyrhythm.
You're all fucking idiots.
>>51385698
Why not just throw in 2/2 and 16/16 there too, chief?
>>51385714
>You're all fucking idiots.
it is u my friend, who is the true moran
>>51385698
Nope, the feel would be different
EeEeEeEe for 4/4 (where E is an accented eighth note)
EeeEeeEe for 8/8
>>51385714
Of course, but if there are nine beats in a measure, and they're eight notes, in can be 9/8, regardless of where the accent is.
>>51385714
>A single instrument can only be playing in one time signature at a time
u wot
>>51385734
>EeeEeeEe for 8/8
wrong.
>>51385714
this post made me exhale slightly harder than I usually would
>>51385731
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_signature
This may help you stop being a dumbass.
>>51385740
This is a difficult concept for people?
No Love by Death Grips alternates between 7/8 and 9/8.
>>51385586
>>51385746
>this much attention seeking
>>51385734
why EeeEeeEe and not EeeEeEee or EeEeeEee?
ITT: /mu/ show how much/little they know about time signatures and everyone exhales slightly harder than they usually would
>>51384971
6/8 is treated like 2/4, but in triplets
>>51385744
>>51385746
Well, any instrument playing in a single voice.
>>51385348
It's not. It's an uptempo 4 + 2 beat, therefore 6/8.
>>51385776
its literally none of those things.
>>51385787
stop comparing triple meters to duple meters
>>51385828
>duple vs triple
why not both on the same time?
>>51385851
This.
There is no separate notation regarding polyrhythms unless tuplets are involved.
Just find the common denominator.
>>51385828
why? they exist simultaneously all the time
>>51385882
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_85z6wXkfQ
found it
>>51384621
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9GzEblV3I8
it exists but other time signatures just aren't conducive to the genre
anything good rap not in 4/4 generally sounds good in spite of that, not because of it
aquemini is in 5/4 iirc
the track that is, not the whole album
andre's flow is pretty impressive
>>51384640
4/4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQJMy8jcIQM
I'm liking this thread.
>>51387088
anything but 4/4 is just hard as fuck to flow over
>>51384661
>6/8
different from 3/4
dumbshit
>>51387282
The way 3/4 and 6/8 are subdivided is different, that's why they are different time signatures.
ITT /mu/ pretending to know jack shit about anything when it comes to basic music theory.
>>51387282
I take it you never went to music school.
>>51387420
This.
Stop it please, it's embarassing
>>51387444
>>51387333
nice trips both of you but 6/8 = 0.375 and 3/4 = .375
Are odd time signatures the future of music? Will western society ever get bored of 4/4?
>>51384831
Was going to say this. One of the best tracks and videos of the year, without a doubt
>>51387531
4/4 will always be the mainstream
>>51387524
tell me more about how time signatures are fractions
>>51387524
sweeet bait bro
FOR FUCK'S SAKE DOES NOBODY HERE HAVE A MUSIC EDUCATION?
LIKE, EVEN BASIC SHIT?
3/4 VS 6/8 IS THE EASIEST SHIT EVER.
AND ITS NOT EVEN AN OBSCURE TIME SIGNATURE.
WHO GIVES A SHIT IF A RAP SONG IS IN THAT METER?
Even Jay-Z has them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pc3kD2iV8w
>>51387634
time signature changes flow, its harder because its less common
>>51387665
It doesn't make a difference.
It's the slightest of shift.
Give me 7/8. Give me 5/8. Hell, give me 5/16.
I don't give a shit about 3/4 basic shit.
>>51387611
if they weren't fractions, they wouldn't be shown as one
>>51387627
>6/8 does not equal 3/4
if anyone is baiting here, it's you
>>51387690
read the op you retard, it doesnt say post rap in 3/4
>>51387693
>one number over another number = fraction
>>51387693
6/8 equals 3/4 only in the amount of eighth notes.
Any student of Music Theory worth their salt will tell you they are completely different.
>>51387690
lol who cares
>>51384664
I'd class it as 3/4 because it's quite slow and the quavers come in 3 pairs.
Everybody Hurts is something I'd class as 6/8.
>>51387721
People who care about music do.
Which you don't.
>>51387693
Jesus christ how fucking dense can you be.
They are shown as fractions because it's the most convenient way to type them. Now shut the fuck up. Like >>51387718 said, ask anyone with a bare basic understanding of music theory and they will tell you the exact same
This is why you listen to classic music and not pretend you know anything when you've only heard genres that use 4/4 most of the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg4q_ZUiTNA
I suppose you could count that Big Brovaz cover of These Are A Few Of My Favourite Things.
Since apparently 6/8 is an obscure time signature...:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfCXvZezm5I
>>51384621
Surely a good chunk of rap songs are almost accidentally in 12/8 simply by nature of sampling jazz?
>>51387922
Obviously 4/4
