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happy 30th bleeproduction, everyone
BLEEPCHALLENGE
>You have until saturday to produce a song. We are posting here on Saturday primarily, there are those who probably can't post until sunday but the goal was saturday.
>Also, you can't just drop your song link like a SC thread, you have to talk about what you did, what you were going for, cool things you did in the mix. Talk about what you did technically, this is a learning experience. The comments shouldn't be like "Nice" or "Cool song", you either post something constructive or don't post something at all. Either way, there are gonna be anons who read all the technical shit that you post and that's the whole reason we're doing this first anything goes challenge.
>>48491398
Hey, guy(s), I have a question. What's good about vintage drum machines? I get the charm of analog synths, but could I get an example that uses an old drum machine to particularly great effect?
>>48491946
Depends on what effect you're looking for.
People like the slight variations of analog drum synth sounds.
>>48491946
Honestly, nothing.
You'd be better off with a clone like the Acidlab Miami for example if you want an 808
>>48491946
Drum Machines just aren't worth it anymore.
>>48492596
You mean, vintage drum machines? Then I agree.
>>48492997
Yes, sorry. I forgot the adjective.
the big turnoff here for me is having to describe music
like
whenever I do that... it makes me feel so pretentious. I don't like having to explain myself like that, it feels like I'm afraid of the listener somehow perceiving the song in a wrong way, which would obviously be my own fault. I don't want to spoil it.
>>48493997
It's stupido but there will come the time when you are cornered in a position where you have to talk about your music
>>48493997
Then don't. Just write the genre, or if you're unsure, the BPM.
Update on my non-challenge WIP from the last thread, I think I will have to re-record the vocal takes, they're too mumbly and off-key, oh well... Maybe I won't have time to participate in the challenge after all :C
http://clyp.it/y01g5ldh
What are some examples of drum machines that are really pushing the envelope? I don't know a whole lot about them, but a lot of the demos I've seen is the same functions as plenty of others, just a difference in sound. What are some with crazy cool functions?
>>48492997
>>48493242
Examples of good modern drum machines that are worth using instead of software, then?
Bonus points if it's really worth it for the sound/workflow but doesn't cost an arm and a leg, because I bet you're gonna say Elektron.
>>48494892
Elektron's Rytm is one of the more modern ones, but pushing the envelope? I think you'll need to delve into software for that. One thing I'm trying to get to work is convolution processing and it's fun but a bit counter-intuitive. The sound is amazing though.
By the way, not that guy. Scout's honour.
>>48493997
Who gives a shit? Focus on what sound you're going for and what you're trying to improve upon, what you think you suck at or don't understand.
Being more technical about it like what you did with base samples, EQ'ing, compression, FX, transposing/warping, rhythms (quantized or not), any music theory like chord progressions or key changes or whatnot.
If you try to stay technical and focus on finding ways you can improve your craft, it'll probably feel less pretentious. Still, who gives a fuck, no one is going to judge you for it unless you're an arrogant twat about it, which you don't sound like you'll be ("lel u just dunt git it!"), THE WHOLE POINT is peer review and constructive criticism.
Literally the whole point of these challenges is to find ways we can get better or try new things in our tracks, not advertising or getting new fans or anything. Think of it like a science conference or some shit, but for music producers.
>>48495093
Called it ;)
Also idk, sounds like the Rytm can push the envelope pretty hard if you want it to:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eov9iFyEGc0&hd=1
I believe you can even load in your own samples too, so you can get pretty crazy with it from what I've seen.
>>48495165
Yeah, it can push it, it's just that I've known about parameter lock and other things for long enough that it doesn't seem "new" to me. Having most of the past Elektron features in one box is cool though.
>>48495209
Too bad it's $1500 =/
wow guys you are all very talented and will no doubt be recognised at some point in the future
>>48495289
Yeah, but at the end of the day it is an instrument. If you're starting out you're not going to buy a top of the line SQ2 kit or whatever the hell DW makes, you'll go for something older and/or less beefy. It's the same with these things (and DAWs for that matter), they're not just soundboxes.
1500$ for a toy/soundbox is expensive, but for a musical instrument you intend to delve into it's not that much (once you're past the intermediate stage)
Rant over.
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>>48495367
Thanks :)
>>48495052
Electribe
>>48495381
fucking lol you believe me
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>>48495446
Of course I do, this is a troll-free zone =-)
>>48495475
you even have pictures of CWC saved on your computer. heh. what a loser.
>>48495516
Except I don't even have a reaction picture folder, you're trying way too hard here
>>48495516
What's a CWC?
>>48495417
This one?
Got any good youtube demos? Do the tubes really make a difference? Is it good for IDM instead of just EDM?
>>48495605
There are various models: The ER-1 which is the budget version, the blue one (EMX1) in your pic which uses synthesis and the red one (ESX1) which uses samples. YouTube demos of these 'chines are aplenty.
And tubes always make a difference, especially when you replace the stock tubes
>>48495633
I just want to get one machine for a good price (in the sense of "best bang for the buck" style).
Having something that matches up well with my soon-to-arrive microbrute would be nice too. It's got MIDI Out which is nice in that respect.
A lot of the youtube videos are House-style stuff which is why I ask if you can do more with it than that.
If the sampler is especially powerful I may consider that, but idk if it can really compete with software sample manipulation.
>>48495633
>And tubes always make a difference
l
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I remember a few years back in the guitar world where companies were sticking an arbitraty valve in every product because then they could market it as "that tube tone!!11!" and people would lap it up.
>>48495725
If you already have a synth that can do drummy sounds, get the sampling one, otherwise I'd go for the other 2.
And you can do anything with a drum machine if you have the talent, really, IDK why so many people make House demos with it actually.
Check this out maybe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYOrBVp3uZ0
>>48495725
Does anyone know where I can get some good synth snare samples? I have been making my own but I can't make anything I really like.
>>48495861
Someone uploaded lots of TR-808 samples to /bleeproduction/, should I reupload and share?
>>48495725
the best drum machine / sequencer for money is the octatrack. search your feelings.
there's nothing wrong with buying a particular piece of gear because it provokes you, but i haven't seen many other pieces of gear as versatile as the octatrack.
>>48495913
not if someone still has the original link or something. that'd be awesome
>>48496046
Well, not the original link poster but here's a mirror:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4613167/Roland%20TR-808.rar
>>48495861
>>48495913
>>48496046
Uploader to the rescue: https://www.dropbox.com/s/vi9abzyik8s6w3x/Roland%20TR-808.rar
>>48496306
>>48496320
so based thank you
>>48496337
Any time!
Here's some high quality TR-909 samples too: https://www.dropbox.com/s/bo6tnjhbdox2rva/Roland%20TR-909.rar
>>48496402
Woah, that's nice!!
Do you have.. maybe more... for, um, research purposes?
>>48495828
Interesting.
Also I'm still confused whether to get the SX or MX...
>>48496420
SX is sampling, MX is synthesis.
Research and choose according to your needs.
>>48495828
Doing some research on GS, these sorts of threads are pretty common and bother me:
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-electronic-music-production/123512-korg-emx-esx-junk.html
Sounds like the originals are pretty solid though, I may just get the original ES-1.
>>48496413
I have Boss DR-55, Boss DR-110, Boss DR-202, Boss DR-220a, Boss DR-220e, Boss DR-550, Boss DR-660, Roland CR-78, Roland CR-8000, Roland JD800 + Dance Card, Roland MC09, Roland R-5, Roland R-8, Roland TR-505, Roland TR-606, Roland TR-626, Roland TR-707, Roland TR-727, Roland TR-808, Roland TR-909 and Roland XV-5080.
Can't upload them all right now, but if you guys have requests, I can put up a few of them.
>>48496485
That's spiffy.
Ideal situation would be ALL OF THEM but my request is the Roland CR-78
>>48496499
Roland CR-78: https://www.dropbox.com/s/r2l60i103ncb4eh/Roland%20CR-78.rar
>>48496529
DANKS
>>48496448
My ignorance is over whether I could get better sounds out of the SX since you could technically feed it any sort of sound and process it, whereas with the synthesis you only get what the synth in the box is capable of generating itself.
So I'm leaning towards the sampler, actually the ES-1 instead, found one locally for around $100, I'm wondering if someone's gonna be like NAW DUDE THE MX (or ER-1) MAKES <insert godly sound here> YOU GOTTA GET IT IT'S SO GOOD MAN! or something...
like why should i get a drum synth instead of a sampler that can take in anything, seems more versatile idk
>>48496708
Note that i've also heard that the new ones, the EMX and ESX, sound a lot more "over produced" and cleaner/thinner than the originals, which also turns me off a bit. I want something with character.
Basically gonna get the ES-1 unless someone can really convince me otherwise. Being able to take in any sound and mangle the fuck out of it sounds like a lot of fun to me, but just wanted to check in with you guys first incase i was missing something.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/a5a1kc11yz6pk5a/Boss%20and%20Roland%20Drum%20Machines.rar
>DR-55, Boss DR-110, Boss DR-202, Boss DR-220a, Boss DR-220e, Boss DR-550, Boss DR-660, Roland CR-78, Roland CR-8000, Roland JD800 + Dance Card, Roland MC09, Roland R-5, Roland R-8, Roland TR-505, Roland TR-606, Roland TR-626, Roland TR-707, Roland TR-727, Roland TR-808, Roland TR-909 and Roland XV-5080
It's up now.
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>>48497032
You da bes
ay yo, it's enough that you want me to bless you lot with a tune every week but i ain't handing out no jew tricks to you lot.
what can i do to improve this kick drum? i'm not done with the snare, that's just the more umph part i have in there right now, i'm gonna brighten it up with another sample i think.
>>48497439
OOPS http://clyp.it/4en4r3pq
>>48497439
>>48497639
needs sum top end - a click and a bit of skin as well. layer on a snare or clap at low-ish volumes - maybe summin tribal.
nice 39s
>>48497439
try putting a sine wave behind the kick
its a pretty common thing
>>48497032
Thanks a bunch broam chomsky
>>48498209
>>48497742
one of the kicks is already reinforced with a sine wave, but it's the very low end
I kinda like this now, I did need high end on the kick.. like 5k's http://clyp.it/4345khch
So i've been messing around on FL studio making 16 bar loops of random 808's and essentially relying on putting effects and distortions on certain channels only.
How should i really branch out to improve myself, i feel really limited and stuck..
Should i just go straight onto learning how to build a complete track with a basic structure and apply my shitty loops on that format?
>>48495773
It's true though. There's nothing that can really reproduce the nonlinearities of tube distortion. It is funny how they market things to guitarists though.
>>48498920
there's a whole lot more you can do within the confines of your software than just 808 loops. work with melody, work with song structure, work with synth design, and work with things that aren't 808's
IT'S FINALLY HERE, HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT!!! :_D
Been playing with it for like 2 hours straight now lmao.
And... who was it that said the bass wasn't fat? Hmmmm?
http://clyp.it/fz5ao23c
So fucking happy right now.
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>>48500013
so glad you are rediscovering your child-like wonder and excitement with this thing
your favorite resources to learn and understand music theory?
>>48500013
OH HELL YEAH MY NEGRO THAT'S ONE PHAT ASS BASS
happy for you man, enjoy
>>48500013
analog will do decent bass always
but this thing really shines in the lower mid to mid range imo
>>48500013
I'm the guy who argued that the bass was fat enough. Still no Moog, but it has booty.
>>48500099
I learned the basics music theory by covering songs that I know and love then reading up on chord changes on shit.
>>48500114
:DDDDDD
>>48500134
For $250, I'm happy with it :). I like a bit of grit in the low end instead of being so creamy-smooth anyways, but I'm sure later in life I'll wind up getting at least one moog just to see what all the fuss is about. Probably a Sub37 way in the future when I can afford it.
MS20-Mini is next :)
Sorry can't stop smiling this shit is so fun, and I haven't even got into doing crazy shit with the mod matrix yet lol.
For anyone interesting: the minikeys are actually quite nice and sturdy with a good action. Might break if you're rough with them or tour with it or something, idk, I don't plan on doing that, but at least brand new out of the box they're pretty enjoyable and easy to play, not annoying.
Brute Factor works pretty damn well in the 30-50% range. Not quite sure how to handle the Fifth option yet.
>>48500099
Musician's Guide to Theory and Analysis: Workbook
>>48500616
Also, can never go wrong with anything Hal Leonard
>>48500099
>>48500636
Also, the Guitar Chord Picture Encyclopedia is quite nice.
I mean, obv it's for guitarists, but it shows you ever chord imaginable, with pictures of every way you can fret those chords. I found it easy to take those skills and then apply them to keyboard.
Question about mixing:
My songs sound anemic and lifeless. Everything sounds like it's playing through a tin can.
I was wondering:
I don't use the Master reverb/delay channels in Ableton. I just add reverbs and other effects to each track separately. What I was wondering is, if I have 2 or 3 channels with, say, reverbs in them, is there a possibility that there is some...signal "crossover"? I am not sure if I am using the right term, but it is like when you have speakers out of phase and the lower/bass signals cancel each other out. Is this why my songs sound so anemic?
Alternatively, I would love to hear any advice in improving that (that doesn't involve compressing the shit out of my tracks)
thanks
>inb4 "use Goodizer"
>>48500997
somebody shoop greentext in there for the guy with the girl on his shooulders
>my shoulders hurt
>I wish she would get off
>nobody's kissing me
>why am I even doing this
>I wish I was at home listening to bleeps
>>48501082
>those reflective road signs are hurting my eyes
>>48501123
>I wish I could smoke the cigarette in my ear
>>48501184
>I can feel his boner
>>48500997
pls respond : (
>>48500997
try using sends for your reverbs(or any effects for that matter) nothing wrong with using multiple different reverbs but it wouldnt hurt to send multiple sources to the same reverb and see if it helps you sound more cohesive.
always experiment
>>48501278
thanks
Hope I'm not bothering you guys with this, but did another demo.
I've been doing this, experimenting with very high LFO rates with the PWM.
Oh god it sounds so fucking nice.
http://clyp.it/etbs5crx
Even the pops every now and then are interesting lol.
Let me know what you guys think.
>>48501343
nice textures
>>48501343
bass so low, makes me need to shit
http://www.matrixsynth.com/2014/07/moog-musonics-vol-1-1967-1969-scv.html
Semi-on topic, I find it pretty awesome though.
>>48501369
:D
>>48501389
I'll take that as a compliment ;)
>>48501675
Question, though: Is it possible to do this sorta stuff with digital?
I've pretty much only used NanoStudio (which has a VA 2 osc synth) and Audacity, never been able to get these sorts of sounds before. Certainly not as easily.
That said, I don't think there's a PWM on the Eden synth. But i just mean like, VST's in general, maybe Diva can idk.
>>48501841
Digital LFOs that are SUPER fast tend to alias
does anyone want to buy an ARP OMNI 2 ?
the capacitors have been REPLACED so you don't have to worry about that. only problem is 3 broken keys and a few dirty/noisy/disconnected key contacts
if not, where can i sell this and make sure that it gets into the hands of a MUSICIAN and not a COLLECTOR (so not ebay)
>>48501991
Your location?
>>48501991
Yes
Okay.
Reverb.
Location, price?
>>48502012
st. louis MO
>>48502027
>reverb
what?
$450 but i'll consider trades too
>>48502073
Welp, im in europe. so, sry :(
>>48502073
Reverb.com
St. Louis isn't bad, but I can't do $450 when it needs work. I'm already looking at an electric grand that's cheaper and only needs a new string
>>48501869
I've never tried doing super-fast LFO stuff, could you explain what Aliasing means? I've heard it used before, I assume it's like stepping but for frequency rates?
Still, holy fuck this analog stuff sounds so sexy. I could spend hours using different oscillator settings with the PWM LFO near the audio range (i.e. near the highest point, and manuevering it around ever-so-slightly like I did in that demo I just posted).
Voltage control is truly amazing. It's my first day with it and all, but really don't know what to say, I'm reaaallllyyyy enjoying this. Not even making songs or anything, but just listening to changing tones.
>>48502088
:((((((
>>48502116
oh, thanks for the website.
yeah, it's a really simple fix that could probably done at home (by someone more skilled than myself) but nobody in my area is willing to do it because they're scared of touching such an old synth.
>>48502182
Aliasing happens when a DAC is trying to reproduce frequencies near or above the Nyquist frequency (1/2 the sample rate). That's why digital synths sound trashy in the upper registers. That's also why high end DACs have very high sample rates.
>>48502223
I can certainly do the repairs, but I'm in no mood for sourcing keys and cleaning contacts these days, shit's way too busy.
Are there no keyboard techs in St. Louis? I find that hard to believe when my town has one.
So I havent checked out these bleeprodution threads before.
Is this for solely electronic music made with hardware synths/drum machines or is it open for discussion about general electronic production as well?
>>48502286
It's open for anything bleep production related. But we also tend to skool people who go on anti-hardware crusades. IE, don't be a child, everything is game.
>>48502329
thanks, I dont have any hardware except a midi keyboard.
Wouldnt mind a moog though.
How can I liven up a cheap sounding synth?
Someone in another thread recommended those $15 Danelectro pedals, thanks for that
>>48502286
You're going to be laughed at if you use soft synths. And for a good reason.
>>48502398
Preamps. Chorus.
Check out the ART Tube MP
>>48502413
Not really. There's tons of decent soft synths. Just a marginal number of decent VAs.
>>48502398
when i first got my minibrute, i got a bunch of shit cheap pedals. like a chorus and distortion pedal. those were both my favorite and were like 30 bucks each brand new
>>48502282
>>48502394
You're probably fine as long as it's not some acoustic guitar recorded straight into a mic and that's it, basically.
If you're doing MIDI and using at least 1 synth or chopping/manipulating samples, you're cool.
Some people might be dicks about you not using analog or whatever, but they only do it out of love.
Above all else, we're trying to help each other get better at making music in DAW's. We also like to talk gear but if you ever have a question about how to mix shit or how to get a certain sound, we'd be happy to help (to the best of our collective ability) :)
>>48502487
>>48502444
I've got a Small Clone, a spring reverb unit, like five delay pedals, graphic EQ...
Just looking for something synth-friendlier, with some more parameters. Possibly even MIDI?
>>48502394
>>48502530
I'd like to empathize that digital is fine. It really depends on what you do with it, though.
>>48502530
in my 6 years here on 4chan, I dont think I ever have read such a polite reply.
>>48502586
Check out the Lexicon MX200, I got one for $100, and the pitch shift mode is god tier for synths and vocals.
>>48496402
>>48496320
i already have shitloads of drum machine samples, are these worth adding to my collection or are they just the standard hits with the 909 and 808
>>48502586
>Possibly even MIDI?
Well if you're down with computer, you might as well just run your synth through every free VST imaginable.
http://www.vst4free.com/index.php?m=VSTfx
They have ratings, so sort and use the highest rated ones in each category and go from there, or just try random ones depending on what you're looking for.
>>48502611
I'm honored...
Also welcome to /bleeproduction/ ;)
>>48497439
low pass a 707 kick, to get that beater, click sound. maybe tune the 707 down so its not as high a freq on the click
>>48497032
Where are these from BTW?
>>48502645
shiiit, I never thought of that. unfortunately I'm on an old computer and running a DAW ain't pretty, pic very related
>>48502828
I don't remember right now, but I collect/hoard samples.
>>48502927
>300 MHz G3 processor, 6 GB hard drive, and 32 MBs of RAM
How in hell do you even make anything run smoothly on that, and if you do I take my hat off for you. I'm on a 3.0 ghz 16g ram laptop and even on this, shit sometimes choke a bit.
>>48502927
>2014
>being on an "old computer
why is this still a thing...
getting a decent computer should be the next priority beyond food, water, shelter, clothing, and medicine. i mean cmon man, you don't live in africa.
learn how to put one together with OEM parts, its not that hard. can build a really nice comp for only around $1500, maybe even less, search newegg for deals.
>>48500013
Nice Man! im ordering a Minibrute myself sometime soon but i have played with the microbrute quite a bit and it's fucking amazing. have fun dude.
Just ordered a new LFO :3
>>48503049
>for only around $1500
$1500 will get you an "entry level, high-end" system
Unless OP wants to use his computer for gaymen, he can put a more than capable system for less than $800 if he knows where to shop
When it comes to muzak production, you should spend a good chunk of money on a pair of good monitors. If you find monitors too flat or "boring" and don't want to buy a second set of speakers, get a pair of fairly "neutral" speakers and a tripath amp (neard-audiophile quality for less than $100, hard to believe isn't it)
As for the computer, stick with AMD (muh cores, but cheap). Get around 12 gigs of ram (unless your workflow is shite and you need to load too many channels, effects and VST's), a SSD if you want fast speeds when loading samples
or just spend $600 on a mac mini, or less if you go refurb. i5 is more than enough grunt.
>>48503249
:DDDDD
Is the mini your first analog, too? Micro is my first.
Seriously, that LFO-PWM demo I did (not possible with the Mini I believe since it doesn't have the mod matrix)... just fucking amazing. Giving me tingles, man.
Gonna have so much fun just connecting the LFO to different parameters and making slight adjustments while it's high as fuck. Unfortunately I get some "clicks" if I use the VCA in gate mode instead of doing the envelope, so I've been keeping it in env mode to avoid that, but I honestly don't mind. Don't know if that's common to analog synths in general or just the microbrute, but I don't mind keeping the envelope on amp env duty.
>>48503487
The mini has PWM, it's just hardwired to the Mod LFO.
>>48503423
>maybe even less
I was mostly pointing out even the upper limits aren't that big of a deal, again especially considering if he learns how to make his own PC with OEM parts.
I was able to get 16 gigs DDR3, i7 3.07 GHz and a 120GB SSD as well as a nice GTX 770 (not really applicable to music tho), among other things, in that price range a year or two ago, just gotta know where to look and keep a lookout for deals.
I know not everyone knows how to build their own PC from OEM parts but it's really a valuable skill to learn and will save you a lot of money in the long run.
>>48503550
Ah, fair enough.
Have fun with it, man. Again, if it's your first it'll blow your mind once you start doing some insane shit with it. I had been using digital stuff for the past 3 years and I'm blown away by what is probably considered a pretty basic analog synth.
I mean, it's fun as fuck too, great interface, but I care more about the end product of the sound, and it definitely delivers. Mini is great too I'm sure with the extra envelope and such, but I'd (personally) rather get the MS20-mini as my "big boy" analog after this.
>>48503645
I'm not the minibrute guy, just knew that it had PWM.
>>48503672
Touche.
Case in point: analog synths are pretty fucking sweet. It's nice that many new ones have come out which are relatively affordable.
>>48502413
nice b8 m8
Does anyone know if it is possible to perform a firmware update on an xbase 999 via the midi input, or wether this type of thing is possible with a midi cable at all? I'm trying to change the operating system of the machine and I know it is totally a thing you can technically do, yet there are only audio jacks, midi connections and the power supply on the back of the Jomox. There's no immediate access to the chip which stores the OS/samples as far as I can tell, at least not without opening the thing.
>>48505007
It updates via a sysex dump.
>>48491398
Anyone know if £400 is a good price for a juno 106
>>48505158
These days, probably. I wouldn't.
Don't overpay for simple DCO synths just because they're old.
>>48505158
In bongmoney, it's fine for today. Ten years ago, you'd be getting one hell of a rip off.
want to get an audio interface what kind should I get reasonably priced
>>48505455
Something focusrite in your price range.
>>48505514
how about monitors?
>>48505455
I've said it before, I'll say it again:
spend the like, ~$50 extra for the scarlett 2i4 instead of the 2i2.
It has MIDI I/O, just do it. I had to buy a shitty USB to MIDI cable, don't make the same mistake I did.
2i2 owner here. Still great interface for cheap btw, those microbrute clyp.it demos were done through it with no FX, compression, or anything. Just clean signal.
>>48505602
JBL LSR 30x monitors
replace x with 5 or 8 if you want 5" or 8" cones
>>48505602
Alesis monitor one MKII (PASSIVE) and a reasonable power amp, or alesis RA if you can't afford one, is the best for the money imo.
NFC how they cocked up the powered ones but they're awful, don't bother.
>>48505637
whats so bad about a midi to usb cable
>>48505662
nah
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/HS5
>>48505797
I've got one too. They're usually shit.
>>48505061
Looked into this, thanks a lot. My Audio 8 (native) interface seems to be incompatible with the software. Shame.
Interface: Focusrite or Presonus
>>48505888
Either.
If you've got mad cash and a mac, Apogee
>>48505861
Use midiox, sysex isnt a program
>>48505797
>>48505845
This. Most chink class driver midi interfaces take a shit if you throw large sysex at them or even fast clocks. If you need to drive a lot of outboard, get a good dedicated interface. Otherwise, at least make sure your audio interface has midi. Not all gear recovers from a failed sysex OS update.
>>48505908
hmm...Apogee converters sound good, not sure about the individual prosumer interfaces. not sure how they could sound bad, though
if i had the money id get an Apollo tbh
I have a shit casio I just want to use it as a controller for my vsts will a midi to usb wire work?
>>48505969
I use an ensemble, it's magical.
>>48505984
Does it have MIDI Out?
>>48506012
it say midi out on the back so im assuming yes
>>48505941
I've used a saffire for so long, but i've also used a presonus 16.0.2 mixer. the mixer cause for much bigger projects in size,
hello /bleeproduction/. do you guys have a pastebin or a chart for beginners? i've been playing guitar for years and lately i've been meaning get into keys. i don't expect to be spoonfed, but it would help a lot to hear how you got started, or to get some advice. thanks.
>>48507852
we don't have a pastebin yet, just pirate a DAW and look up tutorials and shit.
if you wanna make music with a keyboard on your computer then you get a midi keyboard and use it with your daw.
>>48506104
yea it will work
just make sure you go midi in to midi out and vice versa
>>48507985
i appreciate the advice. however i don't have a computer i can rely on for producing music. is that supposed to be essential?
>>48508751
Then pick up some sort of tone bank keyboard from craigslist. You shouldn't pay more than $40 for it.
>>48507852
it's called learning.
>>48509311
Jesus Christ, you're just like GJ, it doesn't matter how shitty your post is, you just have to get it in.
>>48509403
there's no secret formula. you don't wake up and suddenly know how to "produce". you have to learn and that's that.
>>48508777
>tone bank keyboard
i was thinking of getting something with a polyphonic synthesizer, since i found out about <$500 options like microkorgs. is that not advisable?
>>48509440
See this post has insight. Just saying shit like >>48509403 is simply being facetious.
>>48509511
Microkorg is bad for the money, it's outdated and underpowered compared to similarly priced options.
If you're willing to spend around $500, seriously consider the waldorf blofeld.
>>48509568
>around $500
make that under $500
i'm open to hardware recommendations, since i've been looking around for the past few weeks to no effect.
>>48509743
I really recommend you download some daw and play around with some internal synths/effects just to get a feel for certain parameters.
Alternatively, if you insist on starting with hardware, pic related is a great synth in your price range (second hand)
>>48509940
silly me
>pic related
>>48509940
thanks. as i said before i don't have a computer i can use for this kind of stuff, that's why i want to start with hardware. i'll look into this particular synth. however price is an issue, so if worse comes to worst, what's the most affordable decent piece of hardware i could get started with in your opinion?
>>48510258
Give me a budget. You may have to invest into a variety of gear pieces, since you won't be using a computer.
Make a godamn pastebin or somethin then niguz
>>48510258
Here's 15 affordable synths for you:
http://www.musicradar.com/news/tech/15-of-the-best-affordable-hardware-synthesisers-585436/8
You should leave some room for effects/mixer etc.
>>48510437
$500 is my budget, the problem's where i live
>no craigslist
>heavy taxation on $200+ imports (think 50%-%100+ prices)
i have to rely on international sellers willing to fake price tags in order to avoid taxes
>>48510566
thanks, i had seen this list before.
Alright, I'm kinda new to production and I was wondering if anyone could help me a bit. After you make the drum and bass stuff, where do you go after that? Like how you would go about adding more stuff, cause whenever I do everything just kinda sounds off to me.
