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rolling production thread. Q&A, share your work.
constructive criticism only.
https://soundcloud.com/rothschild_uk/palm-tree/s-cxOm5
workin on this
not sure where to take it
can't really tell how well the mixdown is as i left headphones inna di yard
>>47840511
just in case you didn't see what i just said in the other thread:
'motherfucker this is shit hot
try and integrate some distorted 808 kicks in there maybe
just something dutty
either way post in here when you're done because i want to be listening to it'
>>47840511
yeah, very good track IMO. i def can tell what sound youre going for.
honestly? mix is good. no real criticisms.
>>47840599
Not that guy but
>what sound youre going for
What kind of sound is that?
I'm intrigued, it sounded quite good but I can't put my pin on it.
What artists are similar?
Good song so far btw
Sorry I'm new to this
>>47840647
sounds like special request bruv
>>47840713
Is that a good thing, ripping off someones style? Or is it an homage kind of thing?
Special Request is great
What breaks does he even use (other than the amen and think)?
I can barely recognise the others
Like this track?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P4reNoK9LU&feature=kp
I can hear the amen crash at the end of 4th bar but what is it with all the shakers/triangles/shuffly shit?
Surely not the think break?
>>47840647
IMO sounds very in-tune with the current UK bass continuum - stuff like Night Slugs, Hessle, Swamp 81, etc. just check out each label on Discogs and youll find something you like.
>>47840753
i look at it as homage unless its EDM in which no homage can really be paid. its such a gross industry/musical genre that it all feels like theft at the end of the day.
heres so many breaks...who knows.
http://rhythm-lab.com/breakbeats
>>47840753
the shakers are definitely the think
to be fair to him think is the best break
obvs credit to the amen for its influence but i stand by what i say
i'm fairly sure he did one tune with funky drummer
anon that posted the track earlier here
i love using the think break because i can cut it up so that the "snare and the shaker roll" lines up to 1.5 beats, with other breaks i find it hard trying to quantise them to fit either on a half beat or a full beat.
I recently fell in love with this track...no homo
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=46DiMfrz0bg&feature=kp
Tadeo's live PA setup for this weekend
>>47841027
>mono evolver
I keep putting off getting one of those. It's that damn Curtis filter.
>>47841027
http://youtu.be/ZcluY639vG0
>>47841049
yeah...the Tempest is on my dream list, as is the Prophet 12 and now the goddamn Pro 2.
i really like the Mono Evolver, though. the keyboard version is even more fun to use.
tl;dr need more money
>>47841079
Yeah, the first time I seriously debated selling my Minimoog was when the Pro 2 was revealed.
I don't want to be a beta tester for the Tempest though.
>>47841111
i have a friend who was a "demo" box and, aside from it not powering on once in a while, works perfectly he said.
i have another friend who bought a NIB Tempest and had 8 pads die the next week. no rhyme or reason.
>>47841111
uh oh, does quads mean I have to sell it or keep it?
>>47841130
I've just heard the typical DSI complaint of bugs in the OS, as well as not receiving midi CCs or something basic like that.
>>47841161
quads means dump your whole studio and buy a BeatKangz
and ya DSI stuff is pretty much all software on the inside aside from the signal path. its buggy sometimes, but its a shop of 5-6 people including Dave Smith himself. they do things that other companies straight up can't or won't do, so i tend to cut him some slack. that being said, i clearly do not own any of his gear yet.
>>47841228
That was actually really damn funny.
What kind of kit do you use?
>>47841260
right now -
x Small Eurorack
x TR-606
x TR-505
x x0xb0x (Modified)
x MiniBrute
x Machinedrum
x Outboard FX by Alesis & Ibanez
x Mackie 1402VLZ mixer
x Marantz tape deck
wp666, where the hell did you come from?
>>47841597
What modules do you have in your euro system?
And how many tracks in the deck?
>>47841600
long story short:
been browsing 4chan since 2007. creeped in /mu/ and disliked it a great deal until i discovered the /bleep/ threads
loved the bleep threads, decided to start posting under a trip - mainly because i like having to think before i post and going under an identity forces me to not be a dick / try and be as productive as possible
>>47841634
nothing that would make you stoked TBH
Pittsburgh Modular Synth Block + Hex Inverter vcNoiz + Dopefer Moog-style LPF
tape deck is a standard, 3-head, pro-sumer level deck
>>47841663
Do you intend on getting other synth voice blocks? Like the doepfer or cjweman ones? It seems like an efficient way to build a polyphonic modular voice.
>>47841694
i bought the PGH one because it was $299 - how can you beat that price for what you get? it sounds great, too. all the PGH stuff has some legit edge IMO - will be buying up most of it including the delay
i would fucking love the Cjweman stuff especially their synth voice. expensive as fuck
>>47841804
I don't think I'll ever go cjweman unless I get ludicrously rich.
new from Sugar Bytes. looks very nice, might be very good for dnb/jungle/breaks producers
http://www.sugar-bytes.de/content/products/Egoist/index.php
>>47841640
/mu/ is 95% garb. The music general threads are really the only thing worth going on
>>47841860
to each their own, but yeah. can only see Deth Grips and Kanye West so many times in an hour
>>47841988
It's completely masturbatory on here man. It's like discussing music is really not the goal of these child shitposters. I mean I like Death Grips but fuck...
>>47842020
not really at all different from a lot of the hardcore punk/grind/powerviolence boards i posted on years ago TBH
>Analog Mastering in a Digital World
http://www.studioprodigymcs.com/session-five-analog-mastering-in-a-digital-world/
>>47840455
>all that gear
>smoking
this is bait
>>47842314
Smoke in front of my gear errday
>>47842314
i dont know...i def use my vaporizer plenty in my studio AKA MY HOUSE and i think my gear is fine. i dont smoke cigs, though.
>>47842419
If there's no fan on the gear there is usually no problem
is last thread still alive? there was a free plug in (retail $250) free til july 8th somewhere that i wanted to cop... someone help?
>>47842447
nice
>>47842465
it was pruned but: http://www.soundonsound.com/news?NewsID=17338
access code is in the article FYI
>>47842465
http://eventideplugins.elasticbeanstalk.com/ultrachannel.jsp
https://soundcloud.com/max-schoenfeld/gso-001-crystal/s-zjtpx
Hey guys, I've been postin this around a bit and I was just wondering if i could get some feedback on the 808's, specifically whether or not they sit well, if there are any freq's that need cutting/boosting, etc.
Thanks!
>>47842658
feels a bit too intense in the low mids, but the 808 def hits fairly hard. id say you could leave it and most people wouldnt mind
the waveform looks mastered and the 808 kick is literally the most upfront sound, so id say it all sits well. IMO focus on the relationship b/w the kick + the nice pad/chord you have in the background. feel like that element is what makes the track special and could stand to come up
all in all, nice work. quality work posted so far today
>>47842658
i think it all sounds fine mate. if anything everything is too perfect if that makes any sense
>>47842527
>>47842521
not the guy who asked, but thanks for this
new-ish synth:
> Therevox ET-4.3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMSK40prhkA
>>47843354
I bought a module that gives me a glowy acrylic expression block that changes color with the voltage. Cool as shit.
>>47843419
>>47843354
Also, looks like Kent already commented, lol. Looks like he wants it to play with his Buchla
Joker mastering his 2nd LP. what a rig.
new one ive been working on over the last 2 days
https://soundcloud.com/worker-parasite/ring-of-contrariness/s-Vilah
>>47844291
It NEEDS a lead of some sort. Either a vocal track, or a synth lead of some sort. It's just missing something there.
>>47840455
can someone tell me how to properly record and loop my shit in ableton ? afaik quantization sucks ass in ableton but then again I'm a noob.
Please help!!
I just want it to be like an mpc...
>>47844819
Ableton's warping/quantize feature is amazing.
this should help: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/dec06/articles/livetech_1206.htm
>>47844291
reminds me of "negativity" by modeselektor
>>47844655
i have a feeling its missing some substantial low end...i generally try to not overload my tracks - i had a lead in there, just couldn't get it to fit right
bounced this to tape and, aside from pitching it down slightly because the record head is wonky, the mix is filled out a bit more.
>>47845198
going to give this a listen after im done recording this bounce...
>>47844893
>http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/dec06/articles/livetech_1206.htm
thanks!!!!!
>>47845422
It's not missing any low end, unless you wanted to make something really cheesy.
You just need something to carry a melody. It doesn't need to solo, or do any of that endless wandering crap people do with leads.
>>47845568
I also feel like that filter sweep at the end needs to come back to the tonic, unless it's supposed to lead into the next track, it makes it feel like it hasn't ended, but it did anyways.
>>47845568
no, it must be my monitors then. listened on headphones and sounded okay. bounced it to tape, like the mix more as i typically do.
youre kind of pointing out what i consider to be my biggest flaw/greatest source of anxiety in production - STRUCTURE
the idea, for this particular project, is to try and /not/ focus on traditional dance music arrangements - ideally, not focusing on programming melodies and stuff like that. primarily because i feel theres a lot of that that already exists and there are producers who feel an inherent urge to produce melody/traditionally pleasing style of electronic music
tl;dr trying to focus more on capturing a moment/riff/vibe than crafting a perfect piece of music
you really dont have to read that all if you dont want to
So stoked right now. Finally found a power supply for my orig midiverb. Now I just need to head out to radioshack to pick up some rca adapters and then slam some synths through it. I made some esq-1 house esque pads and I think with the right amount of verb I'll have a weird unique sound.
Still on the to do:
Fix reel to reel
Fix midiverb 2
Stay cool all summer
>>47842658
I love the 808 drive. It just gets you pumped like nothing else. Also cool use of XTAL. ONly thing I'd change if I knew how was make the snares snappier. They definitely need more his. My guess is that they aren't mixed well into the mix, but then again I'm a beginner so what the fuck do I know.
curious what some of you guys would think of this
https://soundcloud.com/badmangohda/big-l-flamboy4nt-gohdas-sound-bwoy-bureill-refix
i've always been kinda fascinated with bridging the gap between UK and american sounds...this is just a remix i did, not really the best of what i have to offer but more of an overall vision and snapshot....like a mixture of grime/dubstep and like 90s east coast hip hop/trip-hop
most of my friends and peers in america don't really listen to anything like this so i figured you guys might be a good place to get an opinion and feel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2QYhJ_urLU
how much normalistions shold i make on the butterfly song 2 make it so emotional? maybe a compresser?
>>47846980
vocals are clearly bootlegged - not a criticism, just an observation. sounds like you filtered too much on the low/mids
not bad at all - would suggest adding/changing some patterns in the 2nd part
all in all, def better than most bootlegs ive heard in recent times
>>47846547
How many times do I need to hound your ass about that r2r belt? When I get home I'll source one for you. What model is it?
>>47847386
do you think i should label it as a bootleg instead of a remix or refix or whatever?
thanks for the feedback btw... that was just sort of something i did to show my friend (who's a rapper) to give him an idea of where i wanted to go with our music
https://soundcloud.com/c2pi/get-up
Put together a small/minimal setup with cheap gear and have begun producing; does this sound finished enough to be released or should I wait until I get more gear so I can add to it?
Also, would this make a decent cover? So far all the people I've shown it to have been on the fence about all the black but liked it otherwise.
>>47846547
>that reel to reel
I'm jealous. What brand is it and what needs fixing on it?
>>47847398
>>47847507
I already have one on the way. It's for a teac x-3r.
The hard part is I'm probably going to have to give the whole thing a good run through on the cleaning end.
>>47847507
Teac x-3r just needs a new belt and a good clean.
>>47847556
Get a can of air duster before it comes in.
Or if you have an air compressor, find a super fine tip.
>>47847556
>mission hill
such a damn good show, it's almost like a chicken before the egg kind of deal, but instead, it's the hipster or mission hill
>>47847502
i think "Bootleg" is more transparent, but its totally your call. i dont think it matters too much at the end of the day
>>47847681
I'm all ready to go. Then again it shipped two weeks ago and is still not here yet.
Someday.
>>47847770
I was super bored so I went back and watched it along with some older AS shows. Pretty decent stuff.
>>47847886
>someday
That's how I feel waiting for my Blofeld.
Where'd you find mission hill online?
>>47847507
pretty good IMO - not a big fan of the vocal...feels like its too unprocessed / not enough has been done with it. to be fair, though, vocals are the hardest thing to fit into a mix like this i think
the groove is very nice, though
>The Green Door Studio: Live from Glasgow
>This tiny studio space in Glasgow has become >the beating heart of the city's music scene. Kit >Macdonald pays it a visit.
great write up. lots of gear porn: http://www.residentadvisor.net/feature.aspx?2105
>>47847852
i just went with your advice
i don't want to give anybody the wrong idea
thanks dawg
I want to make bleep but i have no idea where to start and no experience what so ever, where do i start?
>>47848032
pirate FL studio and Ableton's Live
work with both of them (not at the same time)
learn how subtractive synthesis works
learn how compressors and preamps work
when EQing, always cut before boosting
>>47848032
Part of it starts with the desire to actually learn about the things involved with production, not just making music.
>>47848160
I have the desire to learn about production too, but where's the best place to start?
>>47848186
With trying.
This is a very basic question, but..
All you need to make a decent sounding instrument is samples for C1, C2, C3 etc., right?
I have trouble adding emotion or the emotions I want to songs
>>47848186
honestly? theres no go-to guide for this kind of thing. the best thing you can do is go to youtube and look up producers you love and try and research how they did it.
or, go to school for it which is what i did.
>>47848374
Uhh, most samplers change the pitch to scale up and down a keyboard. If it has a simple enough waveform it's no problem.
What you're talking about is a sample bank, which is for thing like pianos or other samples that would sound weird by stretching them out or shortening them (to change pitch).
Even then, that won't garuntee a good sound
How much music theory do you guys know?
>>47849892
enough to get by, and thats it. honestly could be its own thread IMO
>>47849892
Loads!
>>47849892
Quite a bit. Disregard the opinions of people who say theory is bad. It's fine if they don't know theory, but if they openly denounce it, chances are they're a terrible musician.
>>47851177
ive actually never heard anyone openly talk shit on music theory, but i agree with you 100%
Theory is essential
>>47851252
It used to happen around here a lot. Especially with the guys who write 4 chord songs on guitar
any cheap gear to starting creating techno music with?
>>47852070
crack albeton
>>47852178
im not too worried about software, im more looking into the hardware/equipment
>>47852242
get a pen and scribble out the names of producers on vinyl and write your name over the top then
where have you guys had luck finding small but good sample packs or really stand out quality samples that aren't the usual stuff?
>>47852293
drum samples or what?
>>47852315
everything really
>>47852350
try samplephonics or equivalent
lots of freebies but also easily findable for free elsewhere
could someone explain to me what bleep (and bloop) are?
>>47852432
dance musics of sorts
>>47852448
so any edm or idm artist?
>>47852609
This thread isn't so much about EDM, IDM, and other dance music, so much as it is about general production techniques, synthesis, and equipment involved in electronic music (ie, the electronics).
What constitutes bleep bloops or not is a matter for /bleep/ general to discuss.
>>47852692
well it's called bleep production so considering it's the title of the thread, i'd like to know what bleep is before i produce it or use techniques to produce it
>>47852753
lol
i want to know what jazz is before i start making it based on the jazz harmony discussion in this thread
>>47853003
nice elitism, gives your community the sparkle varg gave the black metal community
>>47853248
>>47853248
>pointing out that arguing the semantics about production if which genres we can discuss = racism, burning down churches, and murder
>>47853545
>bork bites off more then she can chew.midi
these threads were designed to talk, specifically, about production in relation to "bleep" music: techno, house, acid, and all of their offshoots/subgenres.
i dont see any point in eliminating IDM, breakcore, etc producers from the threads. same for EDM, really. the point is to not judge based on personal taste biases and help people produce music. i routinely mix music i dont like and i do the best i can because its important to someone.
that being said (and im not an authority here), i dont think this thread should go TOO into musical theory or classical music...nothing wrong with it, but these threads need to have focus to stay relevant.
>>47853949
who's talking about classical music? lol
>>47853949
>regarding theory
Ofc, somebody just brought that up from the left field.
>bleep
Hell, I hardly do anything that is considered bleep anymore. I feel like it's more of a stepping stone to bigger things. A great entry point for noobs willing to learn. That's why I like these threads, it gives me a chance to train young padawans.
>>47853979
Somebody brought up theory. Also, quite a few people who come to these threads are classically trained.
>>47854060
>2nd bleep production thread
I don't recall anyone talking about being classically trained in the last thread - I could be wrong, though.
also theory's not exclusive to classical music.
>>47853979
no one (yet) - just making a point. theory is good and if someone wants/needs to know, they should be told if anyone knows how to answer
>>47854024
hm - going to disagree with you, there. ive played in bands for most of my life. although im not a classically trained musician, you cannot really say guitar music/music made with acoustic instruments is above/more complex than electronic music production.
if, by bigger things, you mean using your electronic music production to move into, say, game audio or music for film...i wouldn't disagree with you there at all. but if you mean learning electronic production as a stepping stone to playing "real music," i just don't see that.
>>47854060
yeah, and that rules. im not trained, so its good to know some of you are.
What does everybody think of the MFB Tanzbar? i've never talked with anybody who owns one and am wondering if it's worth it
>>47854155
i have a student that bought one and sold it a month later. said it was buggy, never worked right. he chose to get a TR-8 and TB-3 instead
>>47854105
Not in the last threads, but older threads.
>>47854111
I didn't specifically mean geetar music, scoring, or any specific type of music. I just mean moving from derivative styles (house, techno, etc etc) that are firmly established, and moving towards a sound of your own.
>>47854155
I would avoid MFB stuff. It breaks damn easy.
>>47854251
sure, that makes sense. i think any producer eventually wants that.
>>47854326
Yeah, I mean I have no problems producing anything like that, but it's not like I'm making great new strides either. Then again, I like working on things outside of my comfort zone.
>>47854403
Any of y'all play mass effect? I love the soundtracks to those games, yet they seem super simple. It fits the mood very well.
But does anybody notice that vidya game music often works very well when it's simple?
wp i remember you telling me that at RS.
but does MFB really have that poor of a reputation? idk maybe ableton push makes more sense for me RN
have any of you even seen how awesome drum sequencing with ableton push is?
>>47854527
Yes they do. Nearly across the board. They're like the behringer of synths and drum machines, only you can expect a behringer product not to fail as long as you don't abuse it.
I've heard some of their modular modules are alright, but nothing to write home about. Their drum machines are the ones that seem to fail the most often. Their synths are not as bad, but most seem kind of bland, considering they're all synth-on-a-chip type boxes.
>>47854527
all the bad stuff ive heard re: MFB has been in regards to that tanzbar
shit i had no idea, glad i asked. the clap sounds so nice tho i want it to all be good but maybe it isn't worth the risk
>>47841027
How's the TR-8? Planning on getting one after I buy a nice polysynth.
>>47855728
no TR-8 until im back from Europe. borrowing a friends Machinedrum, though, and i love it. need to buy one.
Any tips for getting more "emotion" or "feeling" into songs and textured sounds?
>>47856812
>"emotion"
>"feeling"
these are kekmao concepts
anyone in the business of proper experimental here? machine music, algorithmic tunes, generative electronics, etc etc?
>disclaimer: experimental excludes anything with 0 repetition or anything made by "dropping" some "chill" "pads" onto a "trap" "bang0r"
>>47856812
I actually need the opposite. I think it might just be my bad knowledge of music theory but everything I make ends up sounding like some melodramatic movie soundtrack for teenagers to sulk to or something. How do I make it less dramatic?
>>47857571
Is this bait
>>47857623
nope, i've got a direct beeline on some serious gamechanging shit and just came to be wondering if there's anyone else tooling around in these areas
>>47857664
Dunno what that is but it looks neat
how did you get good at writing melodies?
>>47857704
i heard all the possible melodies and chose the best ones
>>47857664
lol sorry that was just a random pic, nothing to do with what im doing
>>47857725
>lol sorry that was just a random pic, nothing to do with what im doing
Still looks neat
could anyone give me feedback on this track? I'm a bit concerned about the way I mixed it. seems a bit flat.
https://soundcloud.com/e-102gamma/ctrl
thanks in advance
>>47857571
>algorithmic tunes, generative
Autechre beat you to the punch there mate.
>>47857966
>https://soundcloud.com/e-102gamma/ctrl
Trim it down.
(It kinda reminds me to Nitzer Ebb)
Guys, where can I find this type of, uh.. organic? samples? First 40 seconds of the song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk43EFHYR_g
So my computer is kinda average and I've notice it clutters when I add a few instruments
Do you think it's enough to make some tracks without much instrument tweaking or will I have to get a better PC, if so what do you recommend?
>>47859486
Record them yourself. Use your phone, whatever.
>>47840511
Way too special requesty to be it's own song to be honest, but sounds very nice still. I think you should have more rolling drums as you have at 1.10, or just use the breaks a bit more creatively. I can see what you mean in that you don't know where to take it, but I would buy this if it were finished because it's promising.
And by would, I mean will, so post this in /bleep/ when you're done.
>>47859490
increase buffer size
my problem lies in mixing u know makking it ''pop'
https://soundcloud.com/basednathn
Can someone explain dubstep to me?
How are Skrillex and Burial both dubstep?
How do I recognize dubstep?
>>47848329
>>47848329
>>47848329
This a million times, in a million threads. Want to learn how to do something? Do it.
>>47848374
Depends heavily on the sampler. Old ensoniq stuff, e-mu, had magical fucking pixies that could make a multisample with just a couple samples sound great. Newer stuff, especially software samplers, really just expect you to heavily multisample. I usually go every third semitone for plucked/struck/synthetic things and every note if something more natural. At least two velocity layers if it's going to be heard solo.
>>47852242
Cheap and cheerful stuff- RM1x, emu command stations, DX27/100, TX802/81z, Akai s-series (you can get flagships for nothing now), ensoniq ESQ/EPS. If you're patient and mindful you can get great stuff on the cheap. Some things have been hyped to the stratosphere and aren't worth it though, so watch out.
>>47854155
I've got a handful of their euro modules and have spent time with the dancing bear. Their stuff is absolutely built to a price point, but I haven't had any problems with them in years of ownership.
>>47855759
Spend the extra for a userwave, eat lentils for a month if you have to. It really opens the thing up.
Apart from like 4:40 onwards, how's this sounding?
https://soundcloud.com/ollie-winton/27_06_14-version-2-very-rough
>>47860628
Is there any essential software for music production?
>>47860699
FL Studio the list goes on
>mfw Squarepusher's drum programming and processing on Go Plastic (13 years old) is leagues ahead of my own, even at my most autistic
>mfw 4:35 onwards http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ddzcYjgNZY
>>47860699
No, just pick any DAW like Cubase, FL Studio, Logic, Live, etc.
>>47860688
has no real feeling to it, the sounds arent interesting enough to hold there own
>>47860733
That sounds like shit
>>47860741
yeah I get that, I've been pretty lazy so far and haven't bothered to go over details yet
>>47860733
I don't really understand what people see in this kind of drum programming, it's so fucking boring and random.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qJKxaWb0_A
This is so much superior, this actually has a flow to it.
>>47860744
>>47860756
I don't even understand how it's possible not to hear the flow in a track like that, but whatever. It's certainly not 'random' either, if anything it's a pretty strict dance rhythm. Just because it's 200+ BPM doesn't mean it's random.
>>47860733
The QY700 he was using at the time almost lends itself to this. Tracker-style event list, extremely powerful job system and easy note entry make for quick work.
>>47860756
It's not my cup of tea but it's hardly random. Watch some modular wank videos with farts and burst generators if you want to see random.
>>47860793
I didn't say anything about the BPM.
>>47860796
Or I can watch a video of someone cutting up a break into 16th and then playing them back with an arpeggiator set to random. I'm not saying that's how he did it, but he might as well have.
>>47860598
Please???
anyone else here NZ?
if so, is it even affordable to get into production via hardware? AFAIK there was never an electronic music culture/history here, so we don't have 2nd hand shops full of gear on the cheap.
i'm assuming it's shipping costs that push the prices up so much as well, everything has xboxhuge pricetags.
fuck I just want to twiddle knobs man but dat $$$$
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f_OxkCuYWE
>>47860628
>At least two velocity layers if it's going to be heard solo.
What does that mean?
>>47859393
tunes that don't sound like lmao xd so random garbage
>>47860908
That the sound changes depending on how hard you struck the key.
A piano sounds different if you play softly or if you slam the key, etc.
So when you sample a piano, you record the same key striking that key soft and hard etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4RrMSHsVsU
>>47860925
based /bleep/ lad
>>47860756
>random
Ah fuck off
>>47860925
Post yer tunes then
>>47860977
You too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zqRwmZqpxc
>>47860825
All you'd achieve by doing that is an amen clusterfuck with no rhyme or reason whatsoever.
Same of the phasing on the rides I could see being random (with rules), but nothing about the main break sounds remotely random to me at all. It sounds completely controlled on a microlevel.
>>47860991
C'mon though it's hardly 'random'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMNYi6Di_A8
>>47860825
>n playing them back with an arpeggiator set to random.
You have no fucking clue do you?
>>47861003
>All you'd achieve by doing that is an amen clusterfuck with no rhyme or reason whatsoever.
Sort of like Squarepusher, then.
>>47861012
I'm not saying it was made that way, I'm saying it sounds like it was made that way. It sounds too random, and today you can get plugs that do that for you. Or just write a Max/MSP/PureData patch.
>>47861039
What makes you think that?
>>47861088
>Sort of like squarepusher
you can't bait me. When I have the most fucking hardcore original tune there is. Give this a listen all the way through. Do it. It's your punishment for trying to bait me and being a meep mop.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2zmAj_Buw4
>>47861088
>>47861088
>>47861088
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ddzcYjgNZY
YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH
>>47861112
I'm not that into old school jungle.
That amen is pretty awful, though, although I guess it was made on some ancient hardware so I can't really blame them.
>>47860975
drop autechere in the berghain u fucker & see what happens
>>47860756
>cant into breakcore
>have to drink diet dnb
get out
>>47861088
The arpeggiator statement. That type of production is not random. Look if you don't like it that's fine, but if you really do think it's made that way you've no fucking clue about production.
>>47861143
>I'm not into old school jungle
Is Soulseek down for anyone else
Fuck I can't even access the website, I'm worried.
>>47861138
I've already heard this track.
>>47861145
:^)
http://youtu.be/pkg6En05xfo
>>47861150
I didn't say I think it's made that way, I'm saying that you can achieve the same result by using an arpeggiator.
>>47861231
Well then if you've heard it I don't know why we're having a discussion
b8ter
>>47861231
some more Fanu for good measure.
http://youtu.be/p9aYTsoPE8U
>>47861258
I said I had already heard it.
>>47861145
w8 so wot are u after then?
>interested in generative music, algorithmic composition
>dismisses ae as random garbage
lol
http://autechre.net.ua/en/interviews/interview34.htm
http://autechre.net.ua/interviews/interview39.htm
read those interviews then listen to confield again u daft twat
>>47861145
u fuckin idiot autechre night at berghain was amazing check yourself before you wreck yourself you fool
>>47861265
you have no rhyme or reason
>>47861294
Sorry if I upset you or felt that I was flaming/trolling. I just don't get what people see in Squarepusher.
To each his own.
>>47861294
AND NEITHER DOES FANU
Anyone know how to achieve this sound?
How do I produce this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQzjC7wlBpA#t=35
Volor Flex did it too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhWJfhr_IFM#t=38
I'm assuming it's some kind of filtered violin
>>47861231
and I'm saying that you can achieve the same result by opening up notepad.exe and typing in 78 million bits then throwing your hard drive on the roof of your house during a solar incident so it can flip the proper bits from 0's to 1's so shut the fuck up already
>>47861273
>w8 so wot are u after then?
generative bangers
>read those interviews
no thanks, link me right to the good bits
>>47861278
epic
>>47861305
So you're just admitting to being a pleb?
that's okay then
>>47861322
No, I'm just saying that it's not worth shitting up this thread over a Squarepusher argument.
>>47861305
m8 dont try back up lol..
>kek if u put an amen thru an arpeg you'll get something that sounds like squarepusher ;))
u were b8ing and got called out... man up, admit it and move on
>dont see what people see in squarepusher
m8 come on lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaGkHQHApsQ
>>47861320
you've clearly never been to berghain, or have never seriously listened to autechre
you're an idiot
>>11000000
Wut
>>47861337
Wow, TB-303, so amazing, never heard that synth before!!!!!
Talk about having low standards
>>47861343
post the most banger autecher tune
>>47861362
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWmufY91kb4
>>47861372
i already ctrl+w'd
you lose
>>47861362
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb83pEpAF8w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98uZgPXBEKE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlR62gnkdpM
>>47861383
how about you go ahead and alt-f4 while you're at it mate
>>47861362
Their live sets are usually pretty banging
Surprised no ones posted second bad vilbel or laughing quarter
>>47861399
you can quit trying, there's no way you'll convince anybody that any autechre output could ever qualify as functional music. one tune is too stop and go to shake booty and posting a remix of surgeon is like cheating but somehow they still managed to fuck it up
>>47861481
what's your problem
>>47861362
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ryd26N5rR4o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4KGxDi-jvk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nl4GaPMcx0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZ1zjM3-uxU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UppsLKz1iD4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KsRIM4Jx4Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcnBRjELW_s
>he hasn't heard the quaristice tour sets
lol.....
>>47861487
how do you dance to any of this shlock? no one tune thats actually good enough so you have to post 7? should i play all 7 at once?
>>47861561
we've got a lad in the threads m8s
>>47861583
not even ad hominem will save you from those tunes being garbage
I like how euro/bleep/ turned this thread into a typical shitfest. This was a thread about production, not what bleeps are good or not, take that to the actual /bleep/ general.
Bought anything during the UAD sale?
My neighbor, he is pain in my assholes. I get a DAW made a from computer, he must get a DAW made a from computer. I get plugin, he must a get a plugin. I get hardwares... He cannot afford.
Great success!
>>47861639
there is no bleep general
we killed it
Bamp
>>47862143
Make a new one. Just because it has /bleep/ in the OP doesn't mean it's chavs get mad as usual general.
>>47862143
by the way, not that it needs saying - but the kind of pedestrian crap usually posted to bleep threads would be a piece of piss to generate algorithmically
bangers are so adherent it's hilarious
>>47862222
why would i make one?
glad it's gone,
>american teenagers posturing like some imaginary british council estate residents
no thanks
>>47862252
Make your own electronic music thread then, this is about production, not subjective things like taste.
>>47862271
>implying there is no place for taste in production
that's the problem isn't it
>>47862286
It's two guys arguing about wether aucheture is shit or not. That's an argument that shouldn't be here. If you really want to discuss that, why not make your own thread?
>>47862319
fair enough, i wasn't here for all that, i just got here
but how did that arument start? i bet it was some bleeptard getting territorial
>>47862328
That's how it always starts. It was something about generative composition, and how archeture never made any bangers (fucking kek). The part about generative composition could have been discussed, but instead of doing that, they spent the whole time arguing if it's shit or not.
>>47862377
yeah and that's why i have no respect for bleep
i mean half the producers they like reference that stuff constantly, but it's not ok to discuss it in a production thread?
please
>>47862397
Uhh, I just said it was cool to discuss that stuff here. What's not okay is arguing about music taste and petty forgets because that's what /bleep/ general is for.
>>47862469
i will lay down my arms and stfu then
tbh i kind of wandered into a fight here anyway, not my problem, i shouldn't interfere
you guys all be nice to each other ok?
>>47861231
>I'm saying that you can achieve the same result by using an arpeggiator.
That's bullshit
>>47862501
>replying to posts from over an hour ago
>to an idiot who doesn't know what algorithmic composition even is
>>47862559
So?
>>47862559
I mentioned Max/MSP and PD and you think I don't know what algorithmic composition is?
>>47862377
>how archeture never made any bangers (fucking kek)
>they spent the whole time arguing if it's shit or not.
maybe if butttorn motherfuckers didn't try to prove autechre makes the hardest tunes of all time and not scratch-my-soul-patch meme generative.
>The part about generative composition could have been discussed
ugh christ here i will try.
>>47861273
from http://autechre.net.ua/en/interviews/interview34.htm
>And I also don't see the point in just playing the role of the observer, I mean if we were gonna make music using DNA sequences, it'd be really boring.
>You're just reiterating something that already exists, and, alright fair enough, it's beautiful. But you're not responsible for that.
>If you just take something that exists from an independent interaction, then you're essentially sampling
>... you wouldn't be in control of the numbers, you'd be a slave to a number set that isn't anything to do with you.
well put oatsycher, true generative =/= retards plugging weather.com into a $40,000 modular synthesizer and publishing whatever sort of bullshit comes out. if you're reinterpreting physical world phenomena as sound, you're not making pure music and ergo you're not doing it right
>I think, the trick is to be aware of what you like within that, just the same way it is with everything.
>Probably all it comes down to is taste, that's the only thing you can say is constantly there and is constantly feeding what you're doing, and it's the only thing you can possibly lay claim to.
yeah if you head into it without a strong compass of what you want to hear and/or a clear understanding of what you aim to accomplish you're going to [very naturally] get dissociated from the music you're making, get caught up in the possibilities, and worst of all confuse ~interesting process for interesting product
>For start, the word 'random' -- it takes the shit right out of me.
right on, indeterminacy is shit tier generative
>>47862965
This is the exact kind of thing that belongs in /bleep/ general. I mean discussion of the actual processes of generative comp are cool here, but if you want I talk about wether it makes good electronic music or not, and bitch and moan about the people who use it, go to /bleep/ general.
Idk how many times it needs to be pointed out to you, this is a production thread.
>>47862965
>yeah if you head into it without a strong compass of what you want to hear and/or a clear understanding of what you aim to accomplish you're going to [very naturally] get dissociated from the music you're making, get caught up in the possibilities, and worst of all confuse ~interesting process for interesting product
i'd say not necessarily, you might only notice things that you like once you get in there, so to speak
pierre henry made this point pretty well in that documentary, he said (and i'm paraphrasing here from memory) that it was the act of selecting the sounds that he preferred that made the difference between mere sound and music
and i think i agree with him for the most part, it's an expression of taste, or discernment, or preference that makes something music and not just sound
>>47863029
you seem to have a very narrow view of what production could or might entail
>>47863029
>philosophy of making computer music doesn't belong in a thread about making computer music
don't
>I mean discussion of the actual processes of generative comp are cool here
so you can cop my proprietary abstract machinery and get credit for the system i brought into this world? kekmao no thanks
>>47862965 ccnt
>I mean, yeah, if I'm controlling a patch that behaves recursively then there's a vague quantum where I can only use my ears to determine exactly what's going on process-wise because I couldn't possibly see and process the numbers in realtime
if your lack of control over machinery responsible for ur tunes is this extreme your tue shit
>I mean, all music is generative.
exactly right. algorithmic composition means there's a system or a set of rules that's responsible for more or less all the moment to moment musical placement. most people are only comfortable with the standard paradigm where there's a human being directly responsible for placement of sound. ironically enough, artistic creation for most people are akin to systems anyways; byproducts of what they've heard, what they'rre influenced by, what they've liked and what they've haven't.
human beings totally suck as systems though: generally self-contradictory, inconsistent, and overall too sloppy, imprecise, and just way too complicated of generative entities. music is patterns and air pressure there's no room for that sort of 'beauty of the human experience' political horseshit in the purest distillation of music.
if you ain't post-human, ur tunes ain't shit
>>47863135
i hit char limit, i'll hit you in the next part
can anyone give me some tips on learning max/msp? i want to make generative music, and i have a lot of difficulty learning from just text tutorials.
Fuck. I'll just start a new one then.
>>47863274
We Jbenitex now.
>>47863184
I just wanted to talk about production itself, not have a whole shitfest about what is/isn't electronic music and what's bad about generative composition. I guess that's too much to ask.
>>47863135
>it was the act of selecting the sounds that he preferred that made the difference between mere sound and music
making a [good] piece of music usually entails two distinct processes: creating a musical idea and deciding whether or not that idea is any good. and it works in only that order. in order to release a "good" musical idea to the world you "must always" ask yourself if it's any good or not
but from the listener's perspective the process of creation is not known, only the results from the process of selection/curation are all that the listener hears so why then should the musical ideas you wish to bring to the world be limited to only what you were capable of creating?
> you might only notice things that you like once you get in there, so to speak
i couldn't agree more.
in the way i went about it it was important to first define what i aimed to find and to determine the field in which what i'm looking for exists. that way i don't waste my time looking for something that isn't what i'm searching for. however all the specifics were still left to be determined on what it would all sound like on a event-to-event basis.
what i do have at this point though is the entire sandbox and i know that somewhere in there is a combination of musical machinery i'm both searching for and that i know i'm really going to like (on account of the rules that define the field of patterns i'm searching through). it's human selection, not human creation, which is the necessary component in creating music. i found a workflow where curation is my only process: making music by listening to it
>>47863684
i like you man, you actually bother to say things i've been thinking for a while and never bothered saying
and yeah i agree with pretty much all of that
>>47863607
and as for this, what is production to you? just knowing how to compress a kick drum?
- and the conversation moved away from what constitutes electronic music ages ago
>>47861317
it sounds to me like a house synth with a lot of attack and reverb. lots of reverb can sort of double as attack and delay so it may take some experimentation to get that sound but not too much
cute cuties in ur pic
>>47863731
I just didn't want to talk about some guys interview on his philosophy of music. Idc if you look down on compression or whatever.
If you want to discuss philosophy in music, why not make a thread about it, instead of hijacking another thread?
I know a lot of bleep guys get super upset when people dare to call them out on their bullshit, but I really don't want to have to wade through some guy talking to himself about philosophy.
>>47863780
Dude, didn't you hear? The conversation has moved on. It's not about production anymore, it's about philosophy. So you better take your narrow mind else here because it's not welcome.
>>47863819
ok yeah i can see how it might be outside your area of interest
sorry for humouring all that
i like the topic but you're probably right, it's not really about bleep production any more
and i def don't look down on compression
Let's bring it back to production.
What's your favourite soft synth?
I personally like Massive.
>>47863876
of the commercial ones, zebra
https://soundcloud.com/mailey
fuckin ayyyyy lmao
btw guys I made a one shot bass sounds sample pack on my microbrute for free because fuggit
http://www.mediafire.com/download/2uq3xs804fubfys/50+Analogue+Bass+Samples.zip
>>47863876
Tweakbench's tapeworm
Only plugin I still really use as it is a bunch of mellotron samples.
>>47863910
Love the microbrute. Ended up jamming late last night because I fired up a sequence. I sent the CV out to my modular and the modular to a panner. So the microbrute stayed centered, but the modular (driven by the same sequence) would slowly pan left and right. Shit was so cash.
>>47863876
Operator or Massive
