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So, when did you realize that Beethoven's late string quartet's are the best pieces of music ever written?
Also, have you ever composed a serious work? On which instrument(s)?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuPWW_5qnVU
>tfw 'Grave, ma non troppo tratto'
Related to writing music, how do I juice up my left hand on the piano? Playing arpeggios and chords just feels to basic. What are some techniques I could employ to make it sound more professional? It's nothing jazzy, more so ballade-esque.
>go to a concert
>get seated, the stage is empty
>orchestra comes out, everyone applauds
>they tune for a couple minutes
>soloist comes out, more applause
>apparently he needs to tune too because he's pressing keys on the piano with his head on it like he's Beethoven or some shit
>conductor comes out
>applause
>starts talking about him and the orchestra, aka shit no one cares about
>they start playing
>what the fuck, this isn't right
>they were fucking practicing again
>they finally start playing
>it's too slow and the soloists' hums carry across the entire room
>people applaud and they tune after every movement
>mfw will probably never see a live performance of Rach's 2nd piano concerto again
>>61284393
I've finished 3 out of 4 movements of a string quartet
>>61284974
Stop liking shit music and maybe you'll experience less shit performances ;^)
Probably tylo be chillin'
>>61284393
Further proof
>>61284393
>have you ever composed a serious work? On which instrument(s)?
lots. From solo pieces to full orchestra. Currently working on symphony and some fugues for organ.
>>61284974
Some performances are just shit. Try to only go to orchestras with good reputations and a high standard. Having a good conductor can also make or break a performance.
Just go to more concerts, eventually you'll see a good one.
>>61284514
play left hand only music. there are pieces for the left hand alone by scriabin, sculhoff, ravel and other composers.
>>61284393
I'm mostly an improviser, but I've written a crappy serialized etude for solo flute and part of a wind quintet (same technique) and lots of other unfinished things for piano (my main instrument)
>>61284393
I've composed a piano sonata and some pieces for a jazz trio but they were both unspeakably awful (to be fair I was 15 at the time)
Jazz > Classical
>>61287088
Afrological music = Eurological music
Nah, that'd be Béla Bartók's string quartets
>>61287088
more like CRAPSICAL amirite?
i miss clt
>>61287088
Jazz is just poor mans classical.
It uses the basic tonality and modes, has a bit of fun with them, but never really gets into serialism, or harsh dissonance.
A man honking over a jazz comp just isn't as good as a through-composed piece by a classical composer. Freedom without form and structure is chaos.
Big band and pre-60s is best Jazz, because its all carefully scored out and through-composed.
serialism is fucking trash
>>61287263
not replying to >>61287239 btw
>>61287239
>he doesn't know what the AACM is
>>61287263
Its just a technique anon. Composers like Schoenberg, Webern, Babbit and Carter are still amazing. Perhaps its just your taste that is trash?
Who is the greatest composer born after 1950?
>>61287525
Lera Auerbach is pretty good. Also John Psathas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rjf9USjtaM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKFm71EDF9Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHI2xyyH-CU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gG0j-35Mgk
Mohammed Fairouz is also pretty cool. Quite young too, born 1985.
>>61287525
Thomas Ades
Reposting for the last time.
https://clyp.it/15rtkgio
>>61281297
Sorry, here it is.
http://www.mediafire.com/view/1a44p6jo6t16wvf/variations_christmas.pdf
Took a lot longer than I expected to put it together. Couldn't figure out how to clean it up at all, I guess that's one drawback to using Noteworthy instead of, say, Finale.
>>61287239
>He actually believes the "jazz is random noise" meme
keko
>>61284974
>humming pianist
Was the guy an asian? I think the guy I'm thinking of was named Kamitsuka.
>I enjoy Schnittke
>>61288958
No it was some guy named Glenn
>>61289302
>I pretend not to enjoy Schnittke
>>61289449
>pretend
>>61284974
I'm sorry you went to a shitty performance. It's hard to find a halfway decent orchestra if you're not in a large metropolitan area that can support one though.
>>61287263
HAHAHAHAAHAHAH
The people who disparage the modernist movement are the people who don't understand what's happening within it.
>muh I-V-I
Tonality was meant to die. When Bruckner wrote 7 minute V64 chords it was doomed.
Beethoven killed tonality with chromatic mediants.
Fight me.
speaking of beethoven string quartets
does anyone else love these little animated graphic scores?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EF_Xif2hvuk
>>61289603
>When Bruckner used tonality in an interesting and novel way it was doomed
I've been working my way through the Ring cycle while work, shits cash
in an unrelated note, you're all a bunch of faggots
>>61289663
I'm not saying it wasn't interesting or novel I LOVE listening to Bruckner's music, but once you start blowing small conventions out of proportion there needs to be some sort of change and composers want to capitalize on it. The over extension of tonality continued through to Mahler until the point where keys were changing so abruptly and so frequently that the "bucket" persey of tonality overflowed.
But also this isn't the place for a history lesson. Actually look up the teacher lineages of the modernists back to the 19th century composers and you can actually see a lot of influence.
>>61289302
>He can't appreciate 20th century music
le common practice man face
>>61289663
but Bruckner never really did that. Wagner did. Strauss did, even Mahler did. Bruckner was pretty conventional and safe with his use of tonality.
>>61286773
>just play it
>just play scriabin, ravel
lol
>>61289785
does anybody love you?
>>61290064
You're mom
>>61290244
>>61290064
>>61289963
>>61289785
>>61289663
>>61289947
>>He can't appreciate 20th century music
https://rbt.asia/mu/?task=search&ghost=&search_text=whom+are+you+quoting
>>61290754
>He doesn't know greentexting can be used for implications as well as quotes
you must be new here
>>61290769
Nice shitpost poly.
Schnittke is shite.
>>61290788
>Schnittke is shite
This is your opinion. not a fact. Many people are capable of appreciating Schnittke (and most of them aren't poly), you're just not one of them.
I fucking love this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VufaQxJdjq0
And this as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTjtplv2114
>>61291003
Goddamn, who is that conductor? He's gorgeous!
>>61290041
I mean there are definitely simpler left hand pieces, I just used those as an example.
>>61292015
>"Conducted by Georges Cziffra Jr"
>>61284393
i'd bang beethoven
>>61284393
still haven't, but now it's a possibility after getting the complete Beethoven quartets recorded by the Juilliard String Quartet, '64-'70
got it for Christmas, and I've been working through the 8 discs. the first 6 (2 discs) - the early quartets - were interesting, but the very first Razumovsky (middle) quartet made me relisten 3 times already before going on.
the Juilliard Quartet was what got me into classical properly for the first time - with passion! basically I heard classical as great themes, background music, or went over my head without me knowing it. but JSQ - from '57-'70 - has been the only group that's been able to manifest this music in a way that makes it REAL to me, and finally speak to me directly. this is the piece, by Debussy, that changed me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-_U5S_3t0E
I also loved every moment of this one from Haydn:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJNKovGHYi8
it didn't go perhaps as deep for me as the Debussy, but literally every moment arrests my attention and rewards it totally.
Schubert's Death and the Maiden was the other one easily found on youtube that I absolutely loved:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq4VTlvpw6k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq4VTlvpw6k
the second link ends with the unfinished Quartettsatz, which is also very good
the Beethoven 131 was fascinating, but I felt like I didn't understand it as fully:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXm1W6t-qqk
let's put it this way: the top review for James Brown's Star Time boxset said "It'll take you YEARS to understand this much funk!!" for me, it did! so I imagine I'll be savoring this set for years to come.
bamp
>>61284974
L O N D O N ?
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O
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsdkSeTAGYs
13:30
im like 20000 percent sure that this melody is from some classical song
which is it
Nah, Bartok's Concerto for Orchestra is the greatest piece of music ever written. Fight me.
I have a few compositions of my own, a collection of etudes for piano, two sonatinas for piano, a cello sonata (which absolutely sucks balls) and a pretty cool passacaglia.
I'm currently writing a string quartet, but it's not going too well.
>>61295019
It sounds a bit like the Dies Irae chant:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlr90NLDp-0
>>61293546
and, really, what's the point of Debussy if you aren't going deep
>>61295615
I'd love to hear some of those etudes.
>>61295950
Don't have a recording, will post sheet music later when I'm on PC
>>61296133
Awesome! Thanks!
>>61293094
Yeah he wasn't the best director, But I love how Cziffra plays here
>>61295573
It's not even Bartók's greatest work.
>>61289642
Yes, me. I do.
>>61284393
>So, when did you realize that Beethoven's late string quartet's are the best pieces of music ever written?
op. 59/1 is still his greatest string quartet.
>>61284393
I have been greatly enjoying the Tokyo Quartet's recordings of Beethoven's late SQ's over the past few months. Bartok's quartets are still my favorite though.
I would very much like to compose at least one string quartet but it's very difficult because the only bowed instrument I've ever played was cello and I only ever learned a few scales on it. So without knowing the technical limitations and idiosyncrasies of the instruments it makes it very difficult to write for a string ensemble.
>>61284974
>orchestra comes out when everyone is already seated
>tuning after every movement
>tuning (?) after conductor comes out
Geez, where did you go, mate?
ayy, pippo is finally coming back
>>61291003
Cziffra Sr. is just amazing in this performance.
Also, to anyone interested who has a Facebook, I recommend following The Piano Files with Mark Ainley. He shares and discusses unusual and rare recordings and pianists, and the playing is just superb. Highly recommended.
>>61300095
Buy an orchestration book/textbook. I can recommend Technique of Orchestration by Kent Kennan, which you can get pretty cheap used.
>>61298645
Well, which one is better in your opinion?
>>61300095
This obviously isn't enough, but I use it for pretty much all of my compositions. It's pretty helpful.
https://vsl.co.at/de/Instrumentology/Strings
>>61300988
I've done some looking for books specifically about writing for strings, but not found much. Does Kennan's book go pretty into detail about string writing? I have his counterpoint book and it's very good.
What is the solo piano equivalent of being a twee girl and having your first clitorial orgasm?
>>61301398
Yes, I found it very thorough. It talks about the different ranges, bowings, the features and limitations, the names of the strings, positions, fingerings, stops, plucking, and pretty much everything. He also does it in a way that teaches you how to actually WRITE for the instrument. And to make it easier he includes a lot of examples (pictures and stuff) and excerpts from real music.
The rest of the book goes the same way, with each section of the orchestra getting its own chapter. Very useful.
I got a mp3 player from a friend this Christmas and I need to use it for something. How do I get started with classical?
>>61301764
That sounds great. I will definitely be buying that.
>>61288244
bumping anyway so might as well ask for criticism of this
>>61300095
Berlioz's Orchestration Treatise might help. It's a time-honored orchestration manual in which the limitations of instruments and players are discussed.
>>61295626
what's the point of any music at all if it doesn't affect you in a profound ways?
the problem is I've heard Clair de Lune in the soundtrack of at least one movie - it's very pretty, but much of his enchanting piano music can be turned into a sort of background music
comparing it to his string quartet - well, you only have to hear each once to know which one feels like the main course and which like dessert.
>>61284393
>Beethoven's late string quartet's are the best pieces of music ever written
I prefer Schubert's desu senpai
>>61293546
Grieg's string quartet > Plebussy's
Gonna share some performances now
Pieces by Vivaldi and Bach for strings and flute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6RgPKok75w
Giovanni Bottesini Concerto for Double Bass No 2 in B Minor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgZ_-f7pVk4
Something interesting here, a rendition of Henry Eccles' Sonata in G minor, but with jazz bass and drum accompaniment. They actually start playing about 56 seconds in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aN4qWDMPRw
Beethoven Piano Sonata 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWzMlIh5Xnk
Some great countertenor action.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7XH-58eB8c&list=PLxsP5Fb2gge418zYS9BQ3HOYOTzg6_4M1
>>61301900
everyone's different. I got started on "pop classical" back when I was a little kid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSFYXUXl04E
then I tuned out classical for probably 15 years before finally finding anything that I felt I enjoyed as passionately as my non-classical music.
>>61303908
I haven't heard the Grieg, but as it stands I'll be listening to Debussy's string quartet for the rest of my life. I've already heard the ~25 min. piece about 50 times. I was hearing it daily at one point - I found it that powerful.
your argument needs a little work, btw
>>61301438
Appassionata desu
>>61304394
>as it stands I'll be rereading the Twilight Saga for the rest of my life
I'm a complete newfag about classical music. How do start to "get it"?
I pretty much only cared for Vivaldi and the SotC OST.
>>61304601
what's Twilight?
>>61304852
Listen to Mozart.
>>61304852
Listen to The Art of Fugue BWV 1080
any other version of the Variations you recommend, /classical/?
I found this one quite magnificent
>>61305142
>>61305227
Isn't there anything else I need or it will come to me once I start listening?
>>61305472
the only one I found was the Artur Schnabel version from the '30s. I prefer the Diabelli Variations and the Bagatelles to all the late sonatas I've heard so far.
>>61305694
Maybe some music theory? Or perhaps listen to pieces praised more-so for emotion than technicality, like Beethoven's 9th Symphony.
>>61305800
I knew some, though I'm rusty.
>>61305472
Richter (Vienna), Schnabel, Yudina. Serkins best is his one in Marlboro in my opinion.
>>61306450
err venice. vienna is his late recording
Mendelssohn master race desu
>>61306772
yes desu
complete unknowing poster from another board here who doesnt know anything about music
what ranking would Handel be in taste? pleb to patrician
>>61287239
Ding Ding!! retard alert !!
Big band is worst jazz
>>61307025
the only times I see people reference Handel is in the
>you just can't Handel it
image
basically there's nothing to prove when it comes to him. so if you like it - great! it's not challenging, but well-made.
>>61307757
Help
This piece says to play all F's as F sharps.
But in this measure I have circled, It says to play an E#, which is also an F natural.
So my question is, do I play the E# as an F natural or F#?
>>61309729
F natural
E# is just a way to get to F natural when F's are sharped in the key signature.
>>61309813
thanks senpai
and why didn't they just mark all F's in this particular measure as natural? Does it matter either way?
>>61309888
That measure contains a C#7 chord which can only be written as C# E# G# B (as opposed to C# F Ab B or other variants).
>>61284393
Can someone identify this song? I think it's by Mozart.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=it_04dk_97E
>>61309888
Enharmonically equivalent notes do not have the same function, even if they sound at the same frequency. E-sharps in that bar act as the leading tone to F-sharp, which is the key that was arrived at bar 25, and the third in the C-sharp chord that's being arppegiated, whereas F-natural would be a foreign note with no such function, even if it sounds at the same frequency. Also check'd.
Is this the most based madrigal composer?
>part of the Italian aristocracy
>used chromatic harmonies that were not used again until the late Romantic period
>refused to be cucked by his wife so he murdered her and her lover in cold blood
>>61309999
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>>61309888
>>61310170
segerstam is literally santa clause
Who're some good Shostakovich conductors?
>>61311621
>>61311621
kondrashin, rozhdestvensky, mravinsky, svetlanov, mitropoulos, ormandy, stokowski, rostropovich, karajan, haitink, gergiev (inconsistent), petrenko
