Holy shit. I never thought a NSBM album would be this good.
>>60597464
it's not NSBM it's solar black art.
Now stop trying to make /mu/ hate it by spamming it. I know you're one of those liturgyfags and that you hate the fact that Fanisk is widely recognized as better than Liturgy. But that strategy is fucking petty and cheap.
>>60597881
>solar black art
mlao
>>60597881
>solar black art
Fuck off
>thinking I give a shit about what /mu/ thinks
Fuck off
>thinking I like liturgy
Fuck off
>thinking I care about what is widely recognized as better that what
Fuck off
>thinking this is some conspiracy to make /mu/ hate an album
>>>/x/
>>>/pol/
>>>/trash/
Don't forget your tinfoil hat.
>>60598288
Was literally about to post
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-CfpK-8B4k
>>60598033
wew lad
nazi fucks please die already your albums suck
>>60598538
confirmed for having skin the same color as fecal matter
>>60597464
hey, this isn't cringe at all, this is actually quite good
>>60598538
>moralising about nazism
>on 4chan
>>60597464
why are they so based
>>60598649
>SHIT, SOMEONE SAW THROUGH MY ATTEMPT TO TURN THIS ALBUM INTO A MEME IN ORDER TO DEVALUATE IT
>I KNOW, I'LL JUST APPLY ANOTHER BELITTLING MEME TO IT !
Why are all Nazis so bad at art?
>>60598697
theyre leader could only paint buildings so they have no guidance
>>60598722
Wrong, he also painted Disney fanart.
>>60598697
>>60598722
>>60598674
ur trying too hard
besides, the music is good, allow it to speak for itself
>>60598697
Hitler was a safe pleb painter and everyone wanted to be like him.
>>60598329
Wow that was probably the worst I've heard in a long time.
>>60599074
Thank you for your opinion, I value it greatly. Have a wonderful evening.
>>60598033
>this post
>>60598739
>Criticizing Nazis is bait
>>60599191
>making untrue statements arrogantly isn't
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MkRuV0aCcI
>>60599191
>2015
>not liking nazis
>>60599220
Name a Nazi who made good art.
>>60599315
Hitler's paintings are alright.
>>60599315
Adolf Hitler.
Here's the part where you say it sucks because being a contrarian is the bees knees.
>>60599315
Death in June
>>60599357
Average at best
>>60599315
thom yorke
>>60599372
>>60599392
:^)
>>60599315
>>60599332
Allright =/= good
Try again
>>60599380
We got a professional art appraiser over here.
>>60598620
Funny you mention that, Hitler had a scat fetish and took meth to treat his uncontrollable farts.
>>60599357
Bad perspective, all his paintings look too flat.
>>60599357
That shows technical skill, but it's exceedingly boring. Nazis lack creativity.
>>60599430
>Bad perspective
>>60599430
>Hitler had a scat fetish
His skin still wasn't the same color as shit
>>60599411
Like >>60599430 said the perspective isn't good.
That tree/bush in the foreground looks terrible. I'm no art critic but it's just not great.
I know you want to be edgy and like nazi art but try again.
>>60599357
Not gonna say it sucks, but you have to admit it's immediately recognizable as the work of an amateur. Like something you'd find hanging in a mid-budget hotel lobby.
>>60599315
Arno Breker
Josef Thorak
Emil Nolde
Carl Orff
Richard Strauss
>>60599453
You don't know what that word means in this context. Look at the windows. They're all the same size no matter how far away you are. And the light source is on the right side in his paintings, but he paints the shadows on the right aw well. He never was a good painter, but what else would you expect from a guy who did so many amphetamines .
>>60599490
>Like >>60599430 said the perspective isn't good
See
>>60599453
>>60599357
Shading and coloring is great.
Proportions and perspective are fucked.
>>60599471
But he did have his girlfriend poop on his chest, so him and you have something in common.
>>60599504
Man, the professionals are coming out of the woodwork now...
>>60599518
What do you think perspective means in the context of painting? It doesn't mean accuracy. You really don't understand this very well.
>>60599540
Unfounded, excessive, and unsourced ad hom attacks. Nice.
You can cut the butthurt with a knife in here... If the hitler painting was by some other painter, you crybabies would be praising it. But, since it by big bad enemy of the jews, it's garbage...
Keks throughout the cosmos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIMEmAZwV-o
>>60599537
It's the major criticism that most people very accurately level against his body of work.
>>60599583
Hypocrisy goes hand in hand with scat fetishists it seems. That and sleeping through the entire invasion of Normandy.
>>60599511
fucking pretentious faggot
>>60599315
Arno breker
>>60599606
No, it still sucks by any artist, just like the one you posted. He's got no understanding of perspective or proportions, everything looks like it's in the mid ground.
Have you heard Kataxu or Hate Forest? You'd be surpised bro.
>>60599663
It's fine to not understand art, but it's really stupid to assert bad art is good without knowing the subject.
>>60599678
I understand it perfectly. I also understand your tuchus turmoil.
>>60599694
Then tell me what you enjoy about his artwork, besides that it was painted by your favorite coked up scat fetishist.
>>60599731
What I enjoy about it the most is that it's giving you a moderate to severe case of the Transatlantic Red-Ass.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCHUtZHzUtc
>>60599792
You're doing a good job of changing the subject. I bet Hitler would let you suck his dick while he wore those short shorts he always got photographed in.
>>60599827
The topic is your derriere discomfort.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0HLnfnZ-kg
>>60599883
>This level of damage control
>>60599925
>damage control
At a dead end? Can't get a rise out of someone? Make bogus claims.
>>60599958
When you can't tell someone what you like about the thing you've been avidly defending, you can always just say they're butthurt to avoid it, right?
So, tell me what you like about these Hitler paintings.
>>60600002
When you can't troll someone by saying what they like or topic they're discussing sucks and trying to go intellectual doesn't work, claim they're dodging the subject.
>>60600048
Then tell me what you like about these Hitler paintings and I won't be able to say that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2nCDBFiRZA
>>60600114
whoops, wrong image
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oslgaO3_fno
>>60599315
Albert Speer
>>60599620
>HURR NAME JUST ONE NAZI WHO CAN MAKE ART
>Lists a few
>PRETENTIOUS
I r8 that b8 and 88, friend.
>>60600456
lol
>>60600519
Nope.
>>60600528
Which one of those guys do you think died first?
>>60600576
I dunno, ask the federal archives in Germany if you're interested.
>>60600594
You sure are interested in a group that only managed to get a 29 percent approval rating at best during their regime.
>>60600629
Even if that were true why would it matter to a group who scorned liberal democracy?
What's wrong with being interested in the Third Reich, anyway? Relax, friend.
>>60597464
It's an amazing album. I hate the nazism, but it's really too beautiful to ignore. The Hitler speeches are the only thing that hold it back from being amongst my favourite albums.
The tension born out of pretty keyboard meanderings and burning hot guitar riffs pulling in totally opposite musical directions creates such a visceral sense of disquietude. It's clearly really comfy for a black metal album, but I challenge any of you to listen to III or V and not get creeped out to some degree.
>>60600704
It's true, you can fact check that if you'd like. I'm interested in the Third Reich, but they're histories greatest failures. I don't understand why people think the formed some golden age, they made some of the worst tactical decisions of all time and left Germany even further behind than it was in the 20s and 30s.
>>60600737
>It's an amazing album. I hate the nazism, but it's really too beautiful to ignore. The Hitler speeches are the only thing that hold it back from being amongst my favourite albums.
it's just aesthetic
>>60599357
Richard Wagner and Knut Hamsun
>>60600756
>It's true, you can fact check that if you'd like.
But it's not.
Even if we look at the free and fair election of November 1932 we see his numbers are off:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_federal_election,_November_1932
And that's not even "at best" (the previous election in 1932 saw a return of 37.27% for the NSDAP) or "during their regime" (we don't have neutral sources for that).
>but they're histories greatest failures.
They certainly failed, but I wouldn't say "greatest failure" is applicable.
>they made some of the worst tactical decisions of all time and left Germany even further behind than it was in the 20s and 30s.
Well, bombings and whatnot do that to a country, yes. Their economic system was probably not sustainable without conquest, but overall they rode on the similar Keynesian principles as other nations of the time, they even removed themselves from the gold standard. Pretty interesting stuff.
>>60600781
shit, wrong post, was meant to >>60599315
This thread is a fucking mess.
>>60600780
The Hitler speeches are actually in the music, and in addition to being in incredibly poor taste, they add essentially nothing to it. If they had have been at one of the more chaotic moments they may have added another layer of warlike grandeur, but instead they just interrupt some nice keyboard meanderings.
>>60600796
Well, I'm not sure poll numbers and approval ratings are the same thing, but I'll concede that. If you really look at Germany's military tactics near the end of the war, you've got the worst blunders in the last 1800 years. For example, Hitler wouldn't allow tanks and artillery to be moved without his express consent. He also had a standing order that he should never be woken up early. He slept until noon the morning of the Normandy Invasions, and his generals had already put together a counter attack that would have been very successful, being that they knew several hours ahead of time that the allies were landing and where, but they didn't have the artillery they needed to repel the attack because Hitler slept until noon that day after being entirely too strung out on methamphetamine.
>>60600861
>The Hitler speeches are actually in the music
that's still aesthetic
>they just interrupt some nice keyboard meanderings
the concept is of spreading morale and adrenaline of gathering troops, they're exploring the energy of hilter's rallying and the rise of the nazi regime, his speech excerpt is the prelude to this
>>60600861
I mean it's an album sort of about the rise, i.e. Noontide, of the Nazi party. The samples sort of elude to this. The opening is the birth, and the end is the sort of retreat into chaos. The samples fit.
>NSBM
This title is a useless as the Satanic BM or Pirate metal genres, I sperg out when I see people defining music by the lyrical content
>>60600873
Now you're just moving goal posts. In a free and fair election the NSDAP was the largest party and their maneuvering allowed them to gain full power without much difficulty. Regardless, the "support during the regime" numbers the anon presented are totally out of his ass.
You also make a lot of baseless assertions that are frequently spouted off online. Plenty of commanders had free use of their panzer and artillery commands. One of the actual criticisms of some of the Waffen SS troops was just that: they had too much freedom to navigate without being subordinate to OKW higher ups.
>hitler was asleeping meme
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normandy_landings#Armoured_reserves
Armored reserves were mostly not in his command. The real issue was the continuing war games and the lack of command at the site of the landings.
>>60600933
The OKW didn't approve the acquisition of artillery on D-Day until Hitler gave the order due to their awful command structure, it's very available knowledge. It's also common and easily source-able knowledge that Hitler eased the German public into The Holocaust and his antisemitism in general. He even murdered extreme antisemites during the night of the long knives to keep up his veil of moderation, knowing that it would hurt his popularity. I happened to hear the approval rating statistic from a reliable source a long time ago, I can't back it up now, so you can throw that out the window. I might have been thinking about the poll numbers instead.
Halfway through watching this.... fuck, this is really something.
>>60600933
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerd_von_Rundstedt#Defeat_in_Normandy
Hitler was asleep, that screwed Rundstedt over.
>>60600907
There are literally no lyrical or musical references to it anywhere other than the two brief samples of Hitler speaking and the Swastika on the cover. I do agree with your fundamental premise though, I just think it's a bit more broad than specifically the Nazi party. Noontide is about, or at least pretty heavily deals with the historical trope of war as a tool to end epochs and empires. The Hitler speeches are used because Hitler is very well-known as a charismatic warleader and politician. Take a look at these lyrics:
"Your light, it fell upon me,
In blazing veils of gold.
But Day had reigned already,
And there was little warmth left.
The winds caressed the weary trees,
And sang a last lament--
Unknowing if the light
Would e'er again return."
Pretty clearly a nostalgic lament to a dead religious epoch, right? Also worth mentioning is that the album starts with very prevalent keyboard work, and from tracks 2-6, the keyboards get progressively more omnipresent.
>>60600895
Eh, sure, I guess. I'm still viscerally opposed to it, but I can certainly see that it serves some artistic purpose.
Holy fuck I'm glad that this album is becoming second-tier /mu/core. I really like discussing it.
>>60601095
>Eh, sure, I guess. I'm still viscerally opposed to it, but I can certainly see that it serves some artistic purpose.
you don't listen to much power electronics do you
>>60599430
Someone actually believes these scat fetish things?
>>60601123
I listen to a lot of power electronics m9. I have Heathen Harvest in my favourites tab. The visceral repulsion it brings about is a perfectly valid artistic aim, and I can appreciate it in certain contexts, but it evokes a very unique feeling when you put it over some comfy, melodic keyboard drones. You also ignore a pretty fundamental difference between using Nazism as a motif because it serves your artistic aims and using it because you agree with what Hitler did.
>>60601143
One of his ex girlfriends wrote a series of letters detailing how he used to have her shit on his chest, but I'm sure you've got something that will contradict historical evidence.
>>60601064
Where to begin? Let's just say that your post is rambling, clearly influenced by the Goldhagen thesis and really not even worth discussing. Keep believing "reliable sources" I suppose.
>>60601082
Hm, the problems were much deeper than that.
During the final weeks before D-Day,the OKW neglected opportunities to strengthen the Atlantic Wall and arranged troop and supply movements that substantially weakened its defensive capabilities.
Coupled with the aforementioned lack of ground leadership it wasn't going to go well, even if Hitler were awake (still up for debate, but regardless the man no doubt had late nights). The only commander on the ground at the time was actually Dietrich Kraiss, who kept his 352nd Infantry Division on alert on his own initiative and defended Omaha Beach, which was one of the bloodiest landings for the Allies.
On top of this the Panzer-Lehrdivision was moved on June 4th (under strange circumstances, mind you) further away from the beaches. (Source; Ritgen, Die Geschichte der Panzer-Lehr-Division im Westen, p. 102)
The issues with the defense of Normandy are legion are go beyond le sleepy Hitler meme. A better example of German defensive ability could be see with the Gustav Line.
>>60601143
Yeah. People believe that.
>>60601159
Which is it? Is Hitler gay? Only had one ball? Too insane to function? You see the same shit flinging (no pun intended) when it came to Napoleon. None of it was actually grounded in fact and usually just made up to further a big bad boogeyman caricature who must, of course have some absurd fetish.
Even the Wiki will show that these assertions are baseless:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality_of_Adolf_Hitler
>>60601159
>I'm sure you've got something
>historical evidence.
What evidence do you have? More hearsay?
>One of his ex girlfriends
Who?
>a series of letters
Where can these be read? Surely if there exists a "series" they must be available.
I read some letters that says Churchill liked to run around the streets dressed like a woman.
See how easy it is to make stuff up?
>>60601183
Get your head out of your ass, I'm not believing you over history books. Hitler was a meth head, his government sucked money out of the military to go search for Atlantis, his generals hated him because of his incompetence, and he lost. It's never been up for debate that he was asleep at D-Day. I never read Browning or Goldhagen's theses, so I don't think I'd be influenced by either one.
>>60601225
it was published in the book The Psychoanalytic Interpretation of History on Page 256. It's sourced from letters Geli, who was also his niece, sent her contemporaries about how he used to have her shit on his chest, the letters still exist, go find them yourself if you're interested in sourcing historical documents that are already in text books. And nobody needs to make things up to bash Hitler, he was Hitler. And Churchill was known for being nude in public.
>>60601282
>I'm not believing you over history books
You have clearly never even read anything beyond whatever was required in school, or have you even cited one.
>the letters still exist
No, they don't. Stop kidding yourself. This "information" is actually from "The Psychopathic God" which has been long since debunked by Kershaw, Tolan, and Fest.
These letters would be in common domain and be featured in the countless biographies of Hitler. They aren't.
>if you're interested in sourcing historical documents that are already in text books
The Psychopathic God and an out of print book you mentioned based on an internet search are not "text books" they are sensationalist, debunked trash. I'd take Irving over that any day.
>Atlantis
Confirmed for having no idea how the Ahnenerbe was funded or worked, or even Hitler's thoughts on it. Nice.
>>60597464
the production sucks, and they sound like cheap midi rendering most of the time, but I'm really liking the tunes
>>60601282
It doesn't matter if you haven't read Goldhagen or not, your ideas are laughably simplistic and similar, and debunked by even the likes of Hilberg.
>>60601282
>le hitler poo poo
One of Hitler's opponents in the Nazi Party, Otto Strasser, told OSS interrogators that the Nazi dictator forced Geli Raubal to urinate and defecate on him. Kershaw contends that stories circulated by Strasser as to alleged "sexual deviant practices ought to be viewed as ... anti-Hitler propaganda".
>>60598538
kill yourself nigger
lmao people are still so mad at the Nazis they have to make passive aggressive posts like these
>>60599620
>>60600519
>>60600576
>>60600629
>>60601348
I don't give a shit about your dead scat fetishist. I could literally resurrect Hitler right now and let you defecate in his mouth, and you'd still tell me we need more facts to confirm anything. He still took 5 does of meth a day to cope with his uncontrollable farting, and you can definitely get his physician's prescriptions in the public record.
>>60601363
I get it, you're capable of name dropping historians I've got no interest in reading about. Maybe later you'll tell me about Rome and Carthage's respective blunders in the first Punic war.
>>60601410
lmao you are so ass pained because you have literally no basis for your claims other than debunked books that no one even prints anymore vs the claims of someone like Kershaw who is actually a scholar.
>you're capable of name dropping historians I've got no interest in reading about.
If you haven't read Kershaw, Taylor, or even Hilberg then you're more of a dolt on the topic than I ever imagined. Enjoy your absurd, unfounded beliefs on someone who you haven't even bothered to read about.
>>60601410
>>60601410
I'd cite Giesing and Morell (Irving has done extensive work on his documentation) but I've got a feeling you'd just go ape shit and tell me they are people you've never heard of and that I'm just being mean.
>>60601428
Kershaw had plenty to say about Hitler's drug addictions. And no, i don't spend my free time reading historians, I'm sure that'll make you feel more accomplished. You're a massive elitist, I guarantee this is the one area of specialty you've got. Stray from Nazis or world war two and you'll be entirely lost in conversation. besides that, you've obviously got a narrative you're not capable of straying from. You're literally a waste of time. You probably don't even listen to music.
Daily reminder that /pol/ is the worst board on 4chan, worse than /x/, /mlp/ and /s4s/ combined.
>>60601514
you haven't been to /r9k/, /v/ or /b/
>>60601514
only retards who have never actually been there say that
worst board is /b/ by a fucking long shot, these posts are often the byproduct of le epic troles, from /b/
>>60601524
Those still aren't as bad as /pol/.
>>60601538
/b/ nowadays is just /d/: 3DPD version
>>60601538
They're both fucking terrible.
>>60601548
I've only been there a few times and really I don't see what is so bad about /pol/. Everyone seems to make it out like the worst thing ever and it turns about to be nothing major.
>>60601596
>invades every other board
>board is 50% christfag idiots and 50% memester idiots
>literally every fucking time somebody tries to cite a scientific study he completely misses the point it makes
>full of disinfo
>muh jews
>muh degeneracy
>muh tumblr
>le epik nazi faec
>>60601619
>invades every other board
see, that's your mistake, these posts are /b/ memesters
>>60601634
/b/ has a broader le trole palette than just bringing kikes into every goddamn discussion.
>>60601619
I don't know, it just seems like people are looking for some boogeyman to blame everything on, kinda like [spoiler]reddit or jews[/spoiler]
>>60601596
/pol/ used to be a bunch of rednecks going on about niggers 24/7, but it's gotten much better.
Shitskin reporting in... very good album 10/10
NSBM is the true moral and spiritual successor of black metal
Trve BM = NSBM, DSBM
Fake(hipster) BM = avante garde, wolves in the throne room, ambient shit, "satanic" ,everything else
>satanic black metal
>everyone is fine with it
>nazi black metal
>everyone throws a shit fit
>>60599402
Looks like jews melting in the oven
>>60601885
Satanic bm was highly "edgy" in 1980's... and it was an attack on Christianity by young norwegian men, for what it did to their ancient religions...
they were pretty much "terrorists"..
Then the satanism aesthetic was adopted for mere shock value.. black metal became a parody...
NSBM is the modern day equivalent of what black metal was in the beginning.. a direct response to the disgusting mixed society that people are forced to live in today...
Of course the mindless sheep, subhumans, nigger lovers and degenerates will be horrified by it...
>>60600781
wagner a shit, but not a nazi
>>60601885
Inorite, everyone seems to forget when that satanist government started a world war and killed millions of people.
>>60601867
>Shitskin reporting in
>>>/r/asablackman
^ everyone above this post is underage
>>60597464
this album sounds OK so far but I don't think I'm enough of an edgelord to actually listen to white supremacist music
>mfw this thread is still active
Why do all these edgelords think that liking Hitler makes them special or intelligent?
>>60602787
because they havent graduated high school yet, anon.
>>60602633
How does listening to NSBM make you an edgelord if the music is good? What the hell? Is the average person really so concerned about muh morals and stuff like that?
>>60602906
dude, you're intolerant
>>60602906
well yeah I am very interested in morality
I like Burzum, but he keeps it more separate from his art. Putting a fucking eagle and swastika on the cover is some edgelord bullshit. I'll get along fine listening to other genres
>>60603091
>Putting a fucking eagle and swastika on the cover is some edgelord bullshit
How is that edgy? And besides, why does it prevent you from listening to the music?
>>60601389
Why do you associate nazism with black people? Hitler killed:
>5.1–6.0 million Jews, including 3.0–3.5 million Polish Jews
>1.8 –1.9 million non-Jewish Poles (includes all those killed in executions or those that died in prisons, labor, and concentration camps, as well as civilians killed in the 1939 invasion and the 1944 Warsaw Uprising)
>500,000–1.2 million Serbs killed by Croat Nazis
>200,000–800,000 Roma & Sinti
>200,000–300,000 people with disabilities
>80,000–200,000 Freemasons [23]
>100,000 communists
>10,000–25,000 homosexual men
>2,000 Jehovah's Witnesses
>0 black people
The most culturally and racially diverse army in WWII theatre
>>60601493
You;re just a massive retard,
>>60603198
>d'dont forget about the six-gorillion
>>60603693
fuck off to /pol/
you are literally complaining that a list of people Hitler killed refers to the holocaust
>>60601937
Honestly, Satanism in early BM was never meant as anything more than shock value, those guys were edgelord extraordinaires with double digit IQs. Only fairly recently had Varg backtracked with muh heritage.
>>60603720
>being this triggered
>on 4chan
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>>60603773
friendly reminder that /pol/ is entirely triggered racists and sexists that are butthurt that they arent more privileged then the rest of the world anymore
>>60599315
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_von_Karajan
>>60598538
*tips fedora
>>60598697
*tips filter
>>60600315
This desu. Wagner also hated kikes so he may qualify as well.
>>60599315
Varg
Kek.
This is an epic OWNED for everyone calling SJWs to the mods.
>>60599511
Strauss was not a Nazi
>>60599315
The Dassler brothers.
