Avant-Garde general
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The avant-garde share thread here >>49561436 went really well so let's try having a general.
Discuss, share, you should know the drill.
Cartel Carnage - Incorporated [2011] (V0)
>Avant-Garde Metal, Jazz
https://mega.co.nz/#!qFcwEZCL!l_2MYmG_NhVluOlnX560awxy8Afx6YMM-LuLDH_0VwE
Nerve Net Noise - This Island Earth [1997] (320)
>Noise, long build ups, odd structure, last track is a gem
https://mega.co.nz/#!aYcXGBLL!N_YwkwoEr0OF9ZRqghaXE3gLpK4HMNlF-pAfAdAChZg
Silencio - Dead Kings [2004] (V0)
>"a righteously catchy pop/grind/jazz/avant/prog/salsa/death epic !" - Crucial Blast
https://mega.co.nz/#!SR0mXADI!GHCBoN_WDknk24j1cPm8PLLdkK5MD5cjQpRQDp6WhOU
Mombu - Zombi [2012] (320)
>Italian Duo, Bass Sax + Drums, They call it Afrogrind, Featuring member(s) from Zu.
>Checked archive, link is down, here's a new one
https://mega.co.nz/#!vY8EhDRR!9GzIrIGSlNQMdcmvROlrgCKYg3k_AfyWjfZcQxngzMk
Everything I posted last minute in the last thread. Currently I'm really tired, but I'm going through my archives before I go to sleep
/avant-garde/, what's more important: rhythm or harmony?
>>49651868
oh and some clarification this is not OP
>>49651894
Emotion
Can't we just have a Jazz General?
>>49651915
le gud 1
None of the shit shared in the previous thread and this thread is actually avant-garde.
>>49651771
how do i into
>>49651938
wow dude i was serious quit using le please
>>49651915
seconded
>>49651948
yes it was. how are outsider music, onkyo, eai, musique concrete, free improv, etc not avant garde
>>49651960
start with taku's opposite
>>49651948
avant-garde is such a loose term. i do agree, most of the stuff I posted is more experimental.
>>49652011
>i was serious
o i am leffin
>>49652058
damn dude you should stop posting if all your going to do is spam memes
Recommending this, don't have a download link sorry.
>>49652122
memes combat shitposts
>>49652205
this is folk music, idk if it belongs here
>>49652220
but memes are shitposts
>>49652235
everything avant-teen is also avant-garde apparently
>>49652235
Well it's outsider music that's for sure.
Honestly I'm not sure if we should really call this avant-garde general, because I think it'd be a better place for discussing experimental, avant-garde, and outsider music all together and if we just label it as avant-garde general people are going to sperg out over what something is or isn't.
>>49652264
emotions are memes
>>49652299
avante-garde is a plenty accurate term.
it's anything that's pushing the boundary creatively. Most Avant-garde can also be considered Art-music, as can about 100 other litle micro-genres.
>>49652299
>Well it's outsider music that's for sure.
it's not lol
>>49652415
>it's anything that's pushing the boundary creatively
go back to RYM with your retardation please.
>>49652015
>start with taku's opposite
listened to this before. EAI is 2deep4me. i'm a pleb so the only avant garde-ish genres i am comfortable with are drone and minimalism
dunno if this counts but the mega link in the archive is dead so here goes
Gasper Claus - jo ha kyu
[copypasted description from archive]
>Cello Improv, Glitch, Dark Ambient, Onkyo, Features Keiji Haino, among others
http://vimeo.com/57109521
https://mega.co.nz/#!QVVyyI4S!hyPcbBolniCzp0v6sPtQGyCLvDFx_OFYvydfQjxM1R8
>>49652453
goddamn I forgot cover
i have a few things
Keith Rowe & Radu Malfatti - ?
>lowercase, eai
>tabletop guitar + trombone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzT7mIi6zSk
https://mega.co.nz/#!o08TRQDa!eMFublWAoxbOljLQbuJsBxvnka5khsVPmyX5qX7ZNio
https://mega.co.nz/#!R9cBlY6Q!POwDYQ5OZEO3_vK-5wfRKxFr4loGy7FM6om2tIhISwk
https://mega.co.nz/#!ZkUSQQQZ!KWd9TFgdRivGpWzBgaUzF2ZkTnsvaAdS6s6pMZFUENA
>>49652437
explain your definition then
>>49652453
sounds dope, thank you
Philip Samartzis + Sachiko M - Artefact
>glitch, drone, very textural
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JU1WLLxSk0
https://mega.co.nz/#!k49l0AoJ!YmGwq2_NAn-Fjxr86bvpWGLdnHxcWw6k5EXmo54fGzg
>>49652453
mega link not working for me :(
do you have a mirror?
>>49651894
Intent is the most important aspect of music.
Did you say something, and did you mean what you said. That's the essence of all art-music.
IE;
I intended to say something ugly, because I feel like I'm surrounded by ugly people.
>or
I intended to say something melencholy, because I can't find a reason to be unapathetic.
or so on and so forth.
often the point of avant-garde music is to force the listener into confronting unfamiliar emotions, phrases, or idioms.
>>49652547
>a mirror
? dunno what that is, do other mega links work for you cause I can't immediately see a problem form my end.
>>49652439
maybe try loren mazzacane connors or nels cline for some other avant-guitar work? or marc ribot (a little jazzier)?
also you like lubomyr melnyk then?
Mark Fell/Evol - Head Office Transformation
>mark fell's side - "I was watching my daughter play on Guitar Hero with headphones, all I could hear was the clicking of the buttons as she played. She, on the other hand, was have a very different experience. I made a recording of the sound of the button pushing which lasted about 30 minutes. Following this I implemented a simple system to analyze the sound file and give me a list of all the timings of the button pushes. This was then used to trigger a simple kick drum sound and lush chord generated using 4 operator FM synthesis. For me the music made outside the headphones, the skeleton of the guitar hero performance was far more interesting that the illusion of skill and performance it offered to the player. A more interesting head space transformation."
>evol's side - the classic rave hoover sound gone insane
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2eXz8AKPG4
https://mega.co.nz/#!so8VBSyY!DXjv6mQgHx1JT3g43vN-ihbS88w4Zk-XP2kizIB3ttw
>>49652587
A mirror link is the same file but hosted on another site.
>>49652592
>maybe try loren mazzacane connors or nels cline for some other avant-guitar work? or marc ribot (a little jazzier)?
i'll check em
>>49652592
>also you like lubomyr melnyk then?
TBH i'm very new to minimalism. riley, reich, glass, young, the list goes on and on...
>>49652611
oh, right. no I just uploaded that and I don't have another ddl account. if you have soulseek I'm on there so I know its up
>>49652521
is it weird that i love sachico's contributions as a collaborator, but when on the forefront I get less interested? the textures add so much, but on their own (a la good morning goodnight, where sachiko seems to be the head) it just doesnt hold me
love this shit though so far
>>49652437
that's the literal definition of avant-garde, from the french "forward guard", meaning anything on the horizon of the creative norm.
Usually, avant-garde is a term used strictly for material which doesn't fall into current or previous trends and styles. It doesn't stay avant-garde for ever, eventually the style is absorbed by popular-culture as techniques related to the aesthetic become more common place.
>>49652622
well look up him and arvo part then, also david borden. and you've hit up the greats, thats not so bad at all
>>49652641
It's not weird, I get what you mean. I like her solo as well as a collaborator, but more as a collaborator
try this if you wanna give her solo another go
Sachiko M - Derive
>long brain-piercing drones as well as erratic glitches, all no-input
https://mega.co.nz/#!I8UkFLTC!WtR9FlPqU5oHYvfVMYTk8GSNw7tHxEvhS4jH1XdP_i0
>>49652708
>all no-input
ooh, cool. I get a hard-on for no-input
Dreams - Dreams
>james ferraro under another name
>haunting, eerie drone stuff, tribal themes, sort of ritualistic
https://mega.co.nz/#!s9kUHLLL!9tWLlSQEUxQDdMzhKKgocgbkjZqvMnlsklx8t4XvCmM
>>49652572
>what's more important, a or b?
>c
great answer except unless it is explicitly stated, you can't reliably read intention from final product
death of the author and whatnot
>>49652609
>going in
sounds AWESOME
>listening to it
an unfortunately all too real example of great concept but lackluster execution. sure it's curious to listen to, but it doesn't successfully tread the line between engaging music and thought experiment for very long
could've at least videotaped her pressing the buttons and mapped each to different pitches and shit
>>49653596
it just sounds like most the shit he did with SND anyway
>>49653428
that's precisely the point of art. Your presumption is that I'm referring to a 3rd parties interpretation of a piece of work. I'm referring to an artists ability to decided whether or not the piece question met with the aesthetic they wanted.
>>49652776
thanks
>>49654112
this is such a copout answer I don't even know what to say
like "the most important part of making music is to make music"
really?
I'll suck yo dick if I can get Uncle Meat.
>>49655182
the frank zappa album? cause its on slsk, in 320
What's the difference between avant-garde and experimental?
>>49655269
one is a french word
>>49652622
checked
keep this shit alive until i get up tomorrow pls
>>49657039
Will do. If this 404s, I've got another sharethread going at >>49658987 but I mixed the title and options drop down thing up.
From the last thread
Loved and Recommend :
Alvin Lucier - I am Sitting in a Room
Grumpin Together - Turbocactus
Mazen Kerbaj - Brt Vrt Zrt Krt
Nikos Veliotis, Taku Sugimoto, Kazushige Kinoshita & Taku Unami - Quartet
Moondog was meh, and Mahmoud Awad was disappointing as fuck. Everyone said it was music from the future, but it was just arabic music with shitty OLD electronic filters. Reminded me of Macintosh Plus
>>49659274
Agree with you on Mahmoud Awad. Didn't seem anything special to me.
>>49659274
>Moondog was meh
What did you hear of his? He is great
>>49659326
Self titled. It could be that I was just listening to a lot more experimental stuff, and his sounded tamer in comparison. I like folk so I def will check it out again
>>49659325
All those comments must've been made by people who have never heard anything remotely like it
>>49659349
or people being ironic
>>49659409
I don't think so. I mean look up a Merzbow video on youtube and people will comment shit like "this is what hell sounds like" and "I'm so scared"
sometimes plebs run into weird music and freak out
>>49659431
well /mu/'s attitude to music is obviously wildly different from the average youtube commenter
people here don't really think it's super experimental stuff
>>49660215
This.
>>49656591
what did ya think?
