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Sonata edition.
Post your favorite sonatas for piano, violin, clarinet, etc.
>inb4 how do I into classical
https://mega.co.nz/#F!mMYGhBgY!Ee_a6DJvLJRGej-9GBqi0A
https://mega.co.nz/#F!lIh3GRpY!piUs-QdhZACFt2hGtX39Rw
https://mega.co.nz/#F!Y8pXlJ7L!RzSeyGemu6QdvYzlfKs67w
https://mega.co.nz/#F!kMpkFSzL!diCUavpSn9B-pr-MfKnKdA
https://mega.co.nz/#F!ekBFiCLD!spgz8Ij5G0SRH2JjXpnjLg
https://mega.co.nz/#F!4EVlnJrB!PRjPFC0vB2UT1vrBHAlHlw
https://mega.co.nz/#F!ygImCRjS!1C9L77tCcZGQRF6UVXa-dA
https://mega.co.nz/#F!il5yBShJ!WPT0v8GwCAFdOaTYOLDA1g
https://mega.co.nz/#F!DdJWUBBK!BeGdGaiAqdLy9SBZjCHjCw
http://crudblud.sjm.so/
Obligatory Thoven post.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwMqQkkm9Aw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PMZXXhIzPQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhw4bQFkkho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKlLPe86Flk
>>65262911
>Sonata edition.
TW: Big post
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zc9ANGM2uvA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCMtvmgptyg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_s_aq2EEuQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eppQ9PjmNnI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex1QeaUK3KE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57ZuG4u691E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-8pswXtgcA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5ai80pyCYg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90CnMeJDxIs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TARZYV9PEbc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHWBS073USE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-HO4uemcyg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEFHKmihEEo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1qNqhvOfQc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxtTDNieag8
>>65263038
Good memes.
When will we have a /classical/: suites edition?
What does /classical/ think of Medtner's piano sonatas?
poulencs oboe sonata is the GOAT oboe sonata prove me wrong
>>65263495
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkRw49Fovhc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKxlnoa0CtE
>>65263539
Fuck. Second link is wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pC7h5vQr88
Bonus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPPZvUYzht8
>>65263187
ty
>>65263569
Bill Maher?
Would Mozart like Memphis rap?
>>65263567
>>65263539
>tfw my post was just a thinly veiled way of finding new oboe sonatas
thanks pham
>>65263601
DID YOU REALLY THINK THIS WOULD BE FUNNY YOU DUMBASS FAGGOT
GET THE FUCK OUT
>>65263601
Underaged please leave and take Mozart with you
>>65263689
>underrating Mozart
If I like Hindemith, Mahler, and Scriabin who else would I like?
>>65263775
FURTHER
>>65263804
if you like scriabin listen to roslavets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH6xT6rmSD4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmgWEmeQy6M
if you like mah-luh just listen to any meme-symphonist like bruckner or sibelius
>>65263603
>tfw I knew that all along
No problem m8
What's up with all the hate for Mozart on this board?
>>65264322
It's called Poly discovered samefagging.
>>65263569
It looks like Ted Cruz.
Bump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_8y0mpg4fM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i34r_eRGmwY
>>65263495
Poulenc's everything is GOAT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY2YyfwtD3c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gSfu4LpR14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btUjeAC2bGQ
>>65264355
I like Mozart though. Not sure where the meme that I hate mozart comes from. Sure I enjoy Haydn better, but I dont hate Mozart. He wrote great music.
>>65264322
People tend to gloss over Mozart. He doesn't effect peoples emotions as much as say Bach or Beethoven. His opera is unparalleled in the period, but some people dont even like opera so completely overlook Mozart.
>>65262911
I wish there was somebody autistic enough to make a comprehensive pastebin explaining everything newfagottos need to know. A massive dump is kind of jarring.
>>65266540
>He doesn't effect peoples emotions as much as say Bach or Beethoven.
[x] Hilarious popfag nonargument
[x] Using effect as a verb
Yep, it's the clown without jest alright.
>>65266611
You want to be spoonfed wittle baby? Aww you look so cute with your wittle bib on and your tiny mouth. Who's a good boy?
This is probably looked down on, but I need more like this.. Please. This is so lovely
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JJaWNEWJ8w
>>65266611
I actually did this. The pastebin is pretty old so I dont know how many links still work though:
http://pastebin.com/UNJrrcaC
>>65266628
excuse me, *affect
>>65266654
>>>/a/. Elitism regarding spoonfeeding is not needed here, the music itself weeds out the undesirables, so there's no need to drive away the rare sort of people who want to get into classical.
>>65266611
Read Rosen >>https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/mu/thread/S64393648
Listen to Mozart
thanks for being here animeposter
>>65266654
AHAHAHHA take a look at his post nigga >>65266757
You just got FUCKED, weaboo. Tell us how it feels.
>>65266654
Go to bed not Ame
>>65266844
Cringed
>>65266540
>I don't know why people think I hate Mozart
>Obviously, he isn't even close to comparable to the emotions of Haydn, Bach or Beethoven but he's men.
>>65266710
Stop arguing and help me.. It's about the music..
It's always been about the music..
>>65266899
*meh
>>65266899
limited emotional resonance =/= hate.
The only composer I can think of that I actually hate is mark applebaum.
>>65266865
Cringed
>>65266923
>It's always been about the music..
Wow faggot.
Try Ravel's and Janáček's violin sonatas.
>>65266923
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BM-6B8_Jj-o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfdS_c5vKZ4
>>65266923
Kreisler
>>65267001
I really like him. Where do you guys get your music from? I find it really hard to find classical music..
>>65266959
I'd only heard Ravel's piano works but I really like Violin Sonata No.2
quick someone go here and tell me what this song is
http://tunein.com/radio/Sounds-of-the-Symphony-s250018/
>>65267762
it says mozart piano concerto 17
>>65267208
>I find it really hard to find classical music
Dude just google lmao
>>65267762
Tune in.com, I'm not giving you clicks. Work for your money.
>>65267762
>he's actually shilling his shitty website on 4chan
How desperate can you be?
>>65267886
Bitch please. I'm a web dev for over a decade and I have not one god damn clue how to make a website that streams radio stations.
>>65267846
Thanks. The great folks over at http://www.midomi.com/ (TM) (R) have gratefully shown me how to find music. Please click on ou..their ads. Thanks.
Bump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-004lVJgGc
Which conductor(s) do(es) Brahms the best?
>>65269376
Mengelberg and Abendroth
Errant_Aron, jump of a cliff, you cunt. heehehehehhehehehehhhehehehhehehehehehhe
t. anonymous poster from the thread
>>65264410
A little.
>>65263312
anyone can start a /classical/ thread and nobody cares who started it
>>65266948
what did he do to you
>>65272275
rearranged my flowers
I want to be a classical composer, but when the professor gave us a sample of contemporary art music (written by people in their 30s) it was all noise to me. Except for the one apparently lambasted as neo-Romantic, which was only mostly noise. They were interesting and sometimes enthralling noises, but if I have to write like that to pique the critics' interests, I think I'd rather not bother.
Is there a place in the classical world for my compositions? Should I just stick to performing?
>>65272518
>Is there a place in the classical world for my compositions?
Post them.
No, you don't have to write atonal shit to be a real composer. But you can hear in Mahler's or Scriabin's music how well can atonalism be used as kind of a complement to tonalism. Resigning from it will make you look like a retard, because it opens your music up to enourmous ammount of possibilities.
>>65272518
Depends. You could do something like Wolfgang Rihm and not make it totally unlistenable. There are people in all different kinds of classical music.
>>65272615
I can hear in Mahler's and Scriabin's music how well atonalism can sound. I can't really hear that in contemporary music, however, or how well tonalism can sound for that matter. (Perhaps it was just the samples my professor chose.)
>post them.
I'm in the Philippines right now, so my internet is too shabby to allow for uploading. I've posted some to /classical/ in the past, though. Looking for an archive to retrieve them right now.
>>65272626
>Wolfgang Rihm
Will look into his music, thanks
>>65272518
I just got told about possibly getting a performance of my string quartet, a 100% tonal classical style piece, sonata form and everything. There's a place for tonal music. Forget about big name critics and remember local stuff exists
>>65272615
https://clyp.it/15rtkgio
Here it is. I wrote it in about a week and a half to replace something that failed to come together.
>>65272674
>I can't really hear that in contemporary music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LimYhhgrDoE
>>65272731
if you gonna compose like this you ain't gonna get nowhere
>>65272751
I wrote it in a hurry, as I said, and everything about it was planned to be easy to write. Sorry, it's not the most representative example but I can't show anything else right now.
>>65272934
>and everything about it was planned to be easy to write
why would you do this
>>65272518
Just write the music you want to write/listen to. If you enjoy it, so will others.
Its good to stay up to date on what's happening in contemporary art music, but you take or leave what you want. Personally I've been enjoying writing really simple clear tonal stuff, although it is fun to push the limits of chromaticism and dissonance even within that frame.
You can't really rush composition, you either put in hours and hours every day, and write lots of music, or you dont. If you put in the hours year after year, you will start to improve.
>>65262911
Franz Schubert Piano Sonata 16. Especially if it's played emotionally.
bomp
>/his/ is laughing at us again
>>>/his/1212843
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW-cHFMaj8E
hands down
>>65274505
>Mahler, Bartok, Reich, Glass, Cage
I'm laughing at them.
anyone got whimsical pieces like Laudamus Te from Poulnec's Gloria?
>>65273484
Because I had a week. I tend to overthink things and take months to write 3 minutes.
>>65274787
Poulenc in general. Though there are exceptions.
His Double Piano Concerto used to be my favorite, but now I'm really growing partial to his Concert Champetre
>>65274862
>I tend to overthink things and take months to write 3 minutes
You'll never write good music in that way.
http://solomonsmusic.net/brahmrls.htm
5. Most of the time you have to be or will be in a semi-trance condition to get such results - a condition when the conscious mind is in temporary abeyance and the subconscious mind, which is part of Omnipotence, that the inspiration comes; and to be careful, however, not to lose consciousness, otherwise the ideas will fade away. That is the way Mozart composed, and when asked what the process was with him while composing, he replied: "The process with me is like a vivid dream". He then went on and described how ideas, clothed in the proper musical setting, streamed down upon him. God and His Omnipotence, His awe-inspiring grandeur, His glory, and above all his closeness to you are things that should be pondered on just before commencing to compose. It is most stimulating and inspiring process to think along those lines before entering that trance-like state in which inspirations come.
6. The dream-like state is like entering a trance-like condition - hovering between being asleep and awake; you are still conscious but right on the border of losing consciousness, and it is at such moments that inspired ideas come. Then it is of the utmost importance to put the ideas down on paper immediately. Then they are fixed and cannot escape; and when you look as them again, they conjure up that same mood that gave them birth. This is a very important law. Themes that occur this way usually are the ones that will endure.
>>65275035
>Then they are fixed and cannot escape; and when you look as them again, they conjure up that same mood that gave them birth.
This doesn't happen, though! Even when I manage to get the themes on paper before I forget them, when I look at them the next day I forget how they were supposed to sound.
>>65275187
I'll never understand how masochistic does one have to be to use sheet music instead of midi in 2016 ad.
>>65275215
midi is even worse. The sounds made by the computer replace the sounds in my head and kill the theme even as it is being written down. I only ever use midi at the end, when it's finalized already.
>>65275252
> The sounds made by the computer replace the sounds in my head and kill the theme even as it is being written down
just download a high quality sample library.
>>65275187
record them you dumbass. either record yourself playing on a MIDI controller for future reference, or sing/whistle/hum the melody into a recording device, even your phone it is easiest.
You have to capture inspiration when it strikes, dont want to waste it. The faster you can capture ideas the better, so use the method that works best for you. Then you can go back later and actually write the piece based on the melodic ideas of your inspiration.
Usually playing a piece over and over is the way to work out the exact rhythm and harmony, then you write it down. this process is very slow though, but it produces better music.
>>65275384
>record yourself playing on a MIDI controller for future reference
Funny thing is, I actually brought a MIDI controller on this trip for this purpose, and it broke in transit
That is a good idea, though, that was just a bit of unrelated misfortune
>>65275346
any recommendations?
>pippo uploaded a ton of old meme recordings of Beethoven
How's Hans Pfitzner's Beethoven?
>>65275035
This is really great stuff, though
>4. Never begin working the out of a composition before the whole thing has taken definite form as an outline either on paper or in your head. When ideas come to you, go for a walk, then you will discover that the thing you thought was a complete thought, was actually only the beginning of one.
Posting here because I'm at my wit's end.
There's this solo piano piece I learned to play several years back but I have no idea who the composer is or what the name was. All I remember is that there was one part where you have to play b flat several times (in a row), followed by a b natural and an a natural. Any ideas?
requesting a link for this
>>65274505
>implying half of us aren't already posting memes there
>>65275947
I wish, these Ricercar boxsets almost never get ripped.
Classical?
More like... clASSical!!!
Chopin?
More like shitpin!!!
Bartok?
More like fartok!!!
Shostakovich?
More like shitstainkovich!!!
Penderecki?
More like pydarastki!!!
Xenakis?
More like a fucking hack!
>>65276884
>xD
>>65276884
Spicy meme
>>65276884
shitpin kek
>>65276884
>Chopin' XDDDD
>>65275543
>any recommendations?
east west if you're asking about strings
>>65277326
kek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88B2PwXT5UM
thoughts on Machaut?
>>65277492
Homosexual homophony
>>65277515
this one is polyphonic, though
>>65277617
ur a homo lel
>>65277326
The tree is Beethoven.
>>65275035
Damn Brahms was so on point. I guess I should listen to more of his music?
>>65275035
>No atheist has ever been or will be a great composer.
Is this why Metal is mostly shit?
>>65278273
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BWOHlEyHcs
He's so fucking badass.
>>65273638
Oh my god. A poly non-shitpost. Who would have thought we'd live to see the day.
>>65274505
>starts off with economic/ political discussion for some reason
>they talk about pop music
>some guy fights about Eastern Europe church music and makes a big deal of it
>Poly and CLT trigger some people
Great thread.
>>65279116
>>for some reason
It's /his/.
>>65276862
damn it costs almost 80€ in my country. But it seems like a really amazing collection with a nice book.
I know what i'm going to buy when my next paycheck arrives...
Post Gould playing cantabile Romantic Bach pieces on a harpsichord:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnWTvPUoze0
>volume warning
>>65279641
>Gould
What are the most entry level works from Henry Purcell? I'm interesting in listening to his music.
>>65279890
>seeing through the false dichotomy of technique-emotion in interpretation
>freely talking about transcendence and impressions
>liking scriabin
>AUTISM
At least come up with your own memes.
>>65279998
Cringes so hard
>>65279939
Dido and Anaes
King Arthur
Harpsichord sonatas
>>65280021
Don't break your dildo.
>>65279998
wasn't Gould literally autistic, though? I remember reading somewhere that he has aspergers
Not a sonata but I've recently taken a liking to Poulenc's Trio for Oboe, Bassoon, and Piano.
>beautiful 1st and 2nd movements
>Eroica quotation in the 3rd movement
>>65280335
Fuck forgot a link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcLyfLwkD6c
>>65280288
Yes. He was a genius piano player. People in here just trash talk his renditions because of the commercial success he had, it's unprecedented for other piano interpreters.
If he didn't sold that much records, he would be loved on this countrarian hell hole.
>>65280386
I personally like him but that humming is irritating and it can get to you after a while.
>>65280386
Not really autistic though. Towards the end of his life he regularly talked about spirituality, aliens, and most importantly novelty in recording technology and what it means for the future of interpretation. He also had a tremendous sense of humor.
More like extreme INTP?
test
>>65280386
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTZ33EVK3Ug
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va0av8QznIo
>Gouldfags will defend this
>>65280600
cringe
>>65280600
>A crystalline interpretation of the Turkish Meme
>A fugue played like a fugue
...
>>65280714
Holy fuck so cringeworthy. Are all Gouldfags this autistic?
>>65280767
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok1RSCx5i7o
Hey Mario!
Bump.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n04GkRTC_Lo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onUnI0ehGkw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raUMtY7KbzM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5lQPhPbh-8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_wetE_XEUo
why do you guys rec pollini for chopin? he plays like he can't wait to get every piece over and done with.
>>65281962
His 27/2 is the best I've heard. No one else revealed the structure as well as the passion in the right hand.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cxkLZoEFEk
On the other hand he does accelerate a bit too much in some places like 3:26 and the harmonic dialogue between the hands is lost for a bit, he does this a few times in the beginning too where he even gobbles some notes. Also, his left hand is sloppy in general. But still, way better than any of those 5 to 6 minute interpretations where literally nothing comes through.
Why do people claim that's very hard to get into Schoenberg? I just finished listening to the first two chamber symphonies and one piano and orchestra concerto. It's nice and very dynamic, it's impossible to be bored with this music.
>>65282905
b/c plebs
>>65282905
Schoenberg is boring though. He didn't even like his own music.
>>65282905
Well the chamber symphonies are more late Romantic than atonal.
>>65284377
SO? Do you know how many artists in every art field hate their works?
Hell, when i left film school one years a go and now i absolutely hate everything i made while in there.
>>65285083
>going to film school
>not going to films
>>65285083
is it narcisstic to like your own music enough to listen to it on repeat several times?
>>65285083
my father was in a film school and now he hates films in general, and only reads books
>supreme genius of Western Art Music
>composed six part vocal fugue
>could improvise three or four part fugues on the fly
>one of the best organists alive in his time
>shat out masterpieces for church every week or every other week during his time as kapellmeister
>wrote sacred music so good that even the most fedorable of atheists question their beliefs
>wrote seminal works for solo violin
>wrote seminal works for violoncello
>wrote seminal works for keyboard
>wrote the greatest mass of all time
>a good amount of people still think some prissy Liberace faggot is superior because of an easily romanticized life story and a few decent piano concertos
>mfw
I cant decide between this
>>65286822
or this
>>65285608
>mfw Bach's only good pieces were the solo violin partitas and sonatas
>>65286949
>mfw you haven't listened to his organ works
>>65286981
>le Dracula
>>65286845
>>65286822
>anything other than Stravinsky conducting Stravinsky
what are some good contemporary composers?
>>65287377
but that one doesnt have symphony of psalms, symphony in three movements, symphonies of wind instruments, L'histoire ...
best interpretation of bach's organ works?
>>65287959
Ton Koopman
>>65287959
Helmut Walcha
>>65287754
John Adams, Richard Einhorn, Wolfgang Rihm, Philip Glass, the list goes on...
>>65288672
perhaps a better question would've been what are some good contemporary compositions?
>>65288028
>Ton Poopman
shit taste get out
Walcha is the way to go.
>>65286822
>>65286845
Neither is a good Stravinsky conductor, just go for individual performances instead
>>65288728
Jagden Und Formen - Rihm
Voices of Light - Einhorn
Proverb - Reich
Any of his last symphonies - Peter Maxwell Davies
>>65289281
Who is a good Stravinsky conductor?
All I have is Craft, Markevitch, and Boulez.
Plus some recordings of the Rite (Steinberg, Bernstein, Monteux, etc.)
>>65289692
stravinsky
>want to get one beethoven string quartet
>they're all part of a set
fuck you stupid fucking labels and fucking you retards for buying massive amounts of music that you'll probably only listen to once just to say you own it all fucking faggot kill yourself ufahsihawgf7ahiw74u28901io31
>>65285608
A stodgy autismal over-conservative music professor and fugue-fetishist was teaching a class on Johann Sebastian Bach, known lardass.
”Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship the Baroque era and accept that it was the most productive period in the history of Western art music, even more than Viennese Classicism!”
At this moment a brave, impeccably dressed, inebriated contemporary composer who had just snorted a line of coke off a teenage classmate's back and understood the folly of a(r/u)tistic movements such as serialism and fully supported the preservation and continuation of the true old masters' legacies stood and held up a composition notebook.
”Professor, do you recognize this piece?”
The arrogant professor smirked quite Lutheranly as he leafed through the notebook. "Why, there's nothing in here but blank manuscript paper, you stupid pedophile. Is it 4'33"?"
"No. It's an opera. If J.S. Bach, as you say, is categorically the greatest composer of all time... then he should have written one, and it should be in this book."
The professor was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and 80-disc Glenn Gould boxed set. He stormed out of the room crying those Bach fanboy crocodile tears. The same tears all autismal fanboys cry when someone else's favorite composer is different from theirs. There is no doubt at all that our professor, an anonymous craven coward who balked at accepting responsibility for his 4chan posts by using a tripcode on /mu/, wished he had taken the time to appreciate music beneath its surface aesthetics and understand the incalculable grace and poise of the great Classical masterpieces and deep intellectual current which runs beneath their simple veneer. In the final moments before his suicide, he wished so much for a requiem mass to be sung at his funeral, but alas! The lazy Bach had neglected to write any of those, either!
>>65291942
bach actually had artistic integrity and didn't give a shit about the downmarket forms that were popular at the time
that makes him even better
>>65286822
the boulez on sony is good
or just get stravinsky
>>65291942
>The lazy Bach
>Bach
>lazy
pick one
>>65291942
>Mozart
>good
his music is lightweight trash for closeted homosexuals that have a fetish for tragedy and young boys that are good with their hands
>>65288843
Stop samefagging
>>65291942
I just listened to some Mozart on youtube and it was incredibly boring
he's white bread
no idea how he gets more attention than Haydn
Haydn was much more interesting
>>65292099
>>65292182
>>65292228
>>65292274
>poly samefagging this hard
>>65292099
>>65292182
>>65292228
>>65292274
Holy shit. Fuck off, Poly.
>>65282905
A century later and Schoenberg is still the boogieman... yet troglodytes will gladly lap up Mozart's glittered semen in the name of
"elegance"
"perfection"
"composing since 2 months old, what a talent"
"he was better than most composers at the time so that means he wasn't shit"
etc.
disgusting
>>65291942
>mfw /classical/ produces bait of this calibre uncharacteristic of /mu/
>born before Mozart
>died after Mozart
>made more music AND made better music
>was so good that Mozart copied his style for a time
Reminder that a good portion of the Requiem wasn't written by Mozart
>>65292906
So that's why it's good
>>65292858
Show us the Haydn opera which stands up to K.492,
the concerto which stands up to K.503,
the quartet which stands up to K.465,
the solo piano piece which stands up to K.475,
or the choral work which stands up to K.626.
PATRICIAN TIP: Mozart is a better composer than Haydn.
>Mozart
>only wrote a decent symphony after 25 tries
yeah what a genius, lmao
they only people who actually defend mozart just do it because its a meme, not because he's good
>"On one stave, for a small instrument, the man writes a whole world of the deepest thoughts and most powerful feelings. If I imagined that I could have created, even conceived the piece, I am quite certain that the excess of excitement and earth-shattering experience would have driven me out of my mind."
That's Brahms on Bach's Chaconne. He never said anything like that about Mozart...
>Mozart underrating
We /Mozart/ now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coBhUvFgR5U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2UvDOGo3qI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRXQpoI__Qc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOuts08C9vo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0icMbH7vN5I
>>65292935
I'm turning this post into a request for some good Haydn (preferably with recordings). I haven't gotten to him yet.
>>65292858
also
>developed the symphony as a form
>integral in the development of the string quartet
>the first movement of his 47th symphony recaps the principal theme in the minor mode
and so many other things
he really was the greatest innovator of all time
how he's rated lower than Mozart is beyond me
>>65293259
literally almost fell asleep at my computer
ya boi is trash
>>65293265
The Op. 33 quartets, while not as great as Mozart's, are some of the best ever written.
>>65293319
Good to know you listened to all of them in a few minutes poly.
;^)
A good amount of the music Mozart composed in his early life was completely unremarkable. Don't believe the hype.
>>65292858
dont forget
>invented the string quartet
>>65292935
You might think Mozart is a better composer (I disagree), but Haydn is far more enjoyable to listen to
>>65293344
maybe I'll listen to them in full during my next bout of insomnia :)
>>65292303
>>65292428
I've been asleep for the last 8 hours.
Dont you guys have an NZ time clock on your wall? get with the program
I'm enjoying all this anti-Mozart sentiment though, anything to troll the "further proof" crowd is ok in my books
>>65293439
Anything he's done before he's on his deathbed are trash.
Mozart (underrated)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fpionW0Aoc
>>65294232
>>65294722
>>65294920
Quality content anon.
>>65291942
Opera is shit though, based Bach ignored that trash for actual quality music.
>>65295120
>Opera is shit though
This is what plebeians actually believe.
>>65295149
t. embryo
Bumperooni
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeH6zgkoEv4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad3dNY2ABOk
>>65292604
who is this serialism demon?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXJWHG_6KAI
Is there anything more depressing then the 4th movement of Mahler's 9th?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ag18Np_JInY
>>65276884
No class.
Bad taste.
Not funny.
Go back to kanye, lords or whatever shit tier crap you use to get erect.
>>65285608
My atheism is unchallenged, but his Mass in B minor is incredible.
>>65286949
You need help.
>>65296188
Your inability to read the general's topic before posting comes to mind.
Hey /classical/, do you guys have any advice to be not shit at piano?
>>65296276
1. Be Jew
2. Be gay
>>65284377
Schoenberg is a Titan of music and not boring at all.
He is one of my favorite composers.
What, ahem, evidence do you have that he did not like his own music?
>>65287959
Marie-Claire Alain
Peter Hurford
>>65296243
Because these threads never deviate from the intended topic.
I'll pay the Sonata tax then:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaBpi6mZ9pE&index=39
>>65289692
Simon Rattle.
Valery Gergiev
>>65296335
>Mozartfag being an insufferable dumbass
Lmao you imitating your hero? Gonna eat some shit next?
>>65296349
Mozart would love your attitude as it's completely shit.
>>65296391
Then Mozart would've loved Beethoven
>>65296276
Find a good teacher, one that pays a lot of attention to technique. You don't want to have to unlearn bad technique.
Hanon and Czerny are your friends. Exercises are boring, but really help you.
Practice with a metronome. While raw practice time is good, an important part of practicing is practicing well. Be sure to take things slowly, and practice with hands apart before putting them together at a slower tempo. Seriously, get a metronome - while you don't want your playing to be excessively metronomic in the future, keeping time and being able to internalize that metronome are both important.
What're the best sample libraries for Sibelius 7? Price is no issue
>>65296472
Mozart probably would have loved late Beethoven. He might have learned a thing. All the more impressive considering Beethoven was deaf. Truly the herald of the romantic era
>>65297210
>It's that Beethoven was Romantic meme again
>I eventually came to the conclusion that the fact that Mozart lived proves the existence of a supreme being, and the older I get, the more firmly I believe that it cannot have happened by chance that Mozart came into this world, created an incredible amount of joy and beauty for humanity, and then disappeared at the age of thirty-five. There must be a higher meaning to it; there must be some force that wants to console the troubled human race.
>>65297338
>I have no rebuttal save to call it a "meme"
fresh argument, I respect your opinion. I bet you have a healthy BMI, are clean shaven and never wear hats
>>65297338
>heralded the Romantic
>literally a Romantic
>it's an "anon doesn't know how to read" episode
best Mozart works? is there an era of Mozart that's more canon than others or do i eventually have to listen to over 40 symphonies?
>>65297588
>he fell for the "Beethoven is good" meme
explain yourself friends
>>65297643
i listened to Op. 131 while over the age of 15 years old
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uI280DbcME
>Móurnful to mé thèse wórds of the plángènt próphet of óld tìmes
>Yét mòre móurnful this músic now sóundìng fórth from its mákèr.
>>65297695
>the meme sharp minor quartet
PLEB
>>65297877
oh yeah whats YOUR favorite quartet
i bet it's a bartok "look at me im so cool and dissonant xD slavs rule!"
lmao pleb
(But seriously what's your favorite?)
>>65297596
help, i tried the Richter disc here for the Piano Concertos and find it unbelievably dull. am i pleb?
>>65285322
Not at all.
>>65291942
Not a big fan of Bach overall but saying he's not the best because he didn't write a *type of music* is a non-argument.
>but this is bait
I know.
>>65296276
The emotion-technique dichotomy doesn't exist.
>>65297695
>op 131
Literally Frank Zappa/reddit music.
>>65298299
what is this meme? can someone explain?
>>65297963
no 13, revised ending
>>65298366
Ooh, that one's my favorite too.
but you dislike op 131 so we cant be friends
but I GUESS i can wave at you in the halls during passing period
>>65297963
Xenakis ST/4
>>65262911
Time to download 10000 hours of music and listen to it next decade.
Seriously, thanks.
>>65298531
at 10000x speed you got one hour
>>65262911
im tearing up op
>be kid too young to even shit in a toleit mom plays classical music (older shes got the brain damage) sister never stops crying
>eventually (im assuming) she just plays it to calm me down and leaves me alone to deal with sister
>at a young age i learn to shut up and be quit when theirs classical music on as its very enjoyable it would be playedevery now and then growing up till my parents divorce.
> later in my childhood when i can rember stuff sister (still brain damage isnt going to get emotoinally past like 7 and mentally past like 3-4) takes over tv and plays as loud as possible her videos all musicals learn to hate musicals and love the silence.
>start growing up playing outside more never hearing the graces of classical until i was in 3rd grade after my parents divorce living in a appaertment where i no longer get the silence ive come to crave and need.
> at school theirs an assembly and all the kids come to the gym and some teens (all first chair or so and first sting and such) from the high school start playing you know to interest the kids in joining the band and stuff.
>i break down crying in part the teachers where right its because i missed my father and couldn't emotionally deal with my parents divorces properly at all.
>but thats not why i started thats just what feed the flame when they got to me. what really started the crying was hearing the sounds i had come to love need and desired for. and hearing it in person made it all the better.
> see this thread come to and come totears i thought this music had been left for dead
thank you for being you /mu/
>>65298881
>TL;DR
>anon listend to classical music as a babby and once in a while as a young kid
>its eventually phased out in part due to brain damaged sister playing her shit loud as fuck 24/7 while still a kid
>seek out just quitness from the sounds
>childhood parent divorce tramue ect
>hear classical music in school assembly after not eharing it for years and break down crying
>do the same here in this thread out of joy.
>>65298881
that's kind of faggy
Am I a pleb for loving this?
>>65298913
i dont care call me a faggot and give me a dick to suck if i have to
i just wanted to hear good to at least halfway decent classical music again
>>65298943
If it's just 9 you love then yes
If you like the others then you're ok
>>65298349
>meme
Op 131 is borderline Dada, nothing but incongruity for its own sake. Even worse then scheisse fuge.
>>65298943
>dat painting my god
>>65298109
it is unbelievably dull, dont worry. Mozart seems to be polarizing. some people love him, others dont see the attraction.
>>65262911
just throwing this out there
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHYk_kxABwQ
Heard it at a concert, you know the thing where the pianist comes back in after the applause and does a little number, and I googled a whole lot to get to it. All I heard him say was "fairy tale"
Is there a name for when a composer takes two melodies introduced previously and plays them at the same time?
For example, 9:12 of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFa2LH4cYkg
>>65299255
I was wondering the same thing, but could only google my way to polyrythm or something...
https://youtu.be/9rpBUD0hjaI?t=2286
https://youtu.be/M5y0GZPtJRM?t=557
>all the bad taste ITT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCXATs66jJA
hi guys ive never been here before
does anyone know where i can find Louis Ballard's Katcina Dances?
>>65299303
38:00 mark first one
09:00 second one
>>65299212
>you know the thing where the pianist comes back in after the applause and does a little number
its called an encore!
>>65299255
There isn't really a name for it, its just having 2 melodic ideas at the same time. Very common in sonata form development sections. Sonata form usually consists of 2 melodies, and the composer almost always has them play off each other and intermingle during the development.
>>65296224
>My atheism is unchallenged
*euphoricall tips fedora*
