/classical/
favorite piece, 2 cents on Iannis Xenakis? blew up tanks, lost an eye in street battles, innovative architect and composer who pretty much invented his own musical language and did not give a shit. coolest composer of 20th century no doubt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZazYFchLRI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVI8k42V_Dg
Probably outdated links:
>General folder. Renaissance up to 20th century/modern classical
https://mega.co.nz/#F!mMYGhBgY!Ee_a6DJvLJRGej-9GBqi0A
>General folder #2. Mostly Romantic up to 20th century/modern, but also includes Bach and Mozart subfolders
https://mega.co.nz/#F!lIh3GRpY!piUs-QdhZACFt2hGtX39Rw
>General folder #3. Mostly 20th century/modern with other assorted bits and pieces
https://mega.co.nz/#F!Y8pXlJ7L!RzSeyGemu6QdvYzlfKs67w
fuck all his scores are so cool looking
>Very few people like Xenakis’ computer music, but I just loved it. But when I went to sing his piece, I was not that excited, because it was this kind of piece that was written in a lot of microtones and glissandi that were going up and down to other microtones. And I thought there was something a bit needlessly academic about it, in the sense that, “Why do you need to write microtones here when the distance between the note before the accelerando to the other note is probably a semi-tone?” Why don’t you write it in semi-tones and it’ll sound the same? In fact, you’re providing a needlessly difficult score. I thought it was something that was clearly generated from a computer and then the performer was expected to spend hundreds of hours learning it, and I don’t like spending my time like that.
>But I love, love, love Xenakis, my God! It’s a very proud, heroic music. There’s a lot of violence in his music, and I can relate to it. It’s very Greek music, in that regard. You know, half his face was shredded by shrapnel and he had been through a lot of stuff. He called his music “Greek Music,” even though it was new music. He said, “It’s all Greek music. You only define my work as being Greek music.” And I love that about him, it was huge for me.
Diamanda Galás about him.
>>65053881
badass. she's Greek, right? is there any recording of her singing/playing Xenakis?
>>65053926
She's greek american
And I don't think so, unfortunately
http://jorindevoigt.com/blog/?cat=603
If you like looking at cool pictures and Beethoven's music check these out.
i'm not sure if i've ever heard a Xenakis piece i didn't immediately love. all the memery that he gets as a modern composer aside, he's a really unbelievable talent.
He quickly became one of my faves. From his humble but compelling stabs at musique concrète to his stochastic music and symbolist music, he's one of the most paradoxically emotional mechanical composers of all time.
It helps that I love maths and graphic design.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPNhyzfx5oM
Who's good in his orchestral works?
>>65054715
his breakout piece was Metastasis, which served as further inspiration for the Philips Pavilion, where Varese's Poeme Electronique was premiered. It starts off with a huge glissando in the strings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pw8eB7GYp0
check out the rest of the CD by the luxembourg philharmonic
>>65054304
includes a choral part too.
highly recommend his percussion pieces as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8pRt8eurv0
cornelius cardew
>>65055234
*more cardew
>>65055262
*and more
>>65055234
i think i played a shitty photocopied version of this once. graphic score interpretation is fun
why do some of these 20th century composers make it as hard as possible for the performers to read their music?
its like theres no respect for whos actually playing your "music"
>>65055455
>>65055481
ok i can understand this even though I dont really agree but is there really no way to express it in conventional notation?
>>65055581
most of his stuff is being deliberately awkward, half of them don't even have notes it's just staves being bent around, or like the idea of music or structure is implied but not the actual music
that's kind of the point of interpretative scoring, to give the composer ideas, or freedoms
a bit like what lebbeus woods did with architecture
>>65055695
no. Those graphs you see are representations to understand the music. Believe it or not, Xenakis actually writes out scores in conventional staff notation. He's not a hack like Stockhausen.
>>65055455
xenakis wrote in conventional notations for performers, he composed and planned the music however he saw fit to convey the music because traditional notation is far from perfect. Someone like cardew would say that the performers interpretation of the score is the essential component. what you might call "difficult" is just an entirely different style of music and performance
>>65056177
traditional notation is far from perfect because a traditional notation actually is never existed
>>65056597
>actually is never
good point. just write music however you like I guess. reminds me of sports et divertissements
Bump.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSSBZdwyNpw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F1__ELBbXc
Chopin played on harpsichord/organ is surprisingly dank:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpS7hK5Y0QY >tfw chopin has better reprises in his unfinished unpublished pieces than beethoven has in all of his music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30OIz2t7h9s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV6oRLLrztk
Other than Rubinstein, is there anyone else who sought to play his music in a more Rachmaninoffy way rather than the "traditional" - and awful - Debussy-esque jerky-tinkly manner?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8N109ACs_w
Notice the right hand from 00:30 to 1:00 has a stunning flow and a structural cohesion that has been broken by literally everyone. They all delay those cadences in the left hand, ironically making the passage - and the entire nocturne - much less emotional; destroying that gradual build-up for the sake of silly, predictable, mechanical, robotic beeeeeep-BOPs at every bar.
>tfw horowitz never recorded it
>pic unrelated
>>65057525
Well I found this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cxkLZoEFEk
Bump
>>65055930
i was talking about cardew
Where to start with Charles Ives?
>>65058731
https://mega.co.nz/#!TF4xCIAQ!7_zP7KuxqwBe5vJxqV3rNWGHG8bY5SefagoNp6xKvcc
>>65058764
thanks
>>65055455
more like they enjoy challenging performers. Modern contemporary performers are a special breed, and need new challenges otherwise they get bored. This is why playing Lachenmann and Ferneyhough pieces is popular.
The score is an area of struggle, like a dungeon crawl. Misleading signs, things you have to kill to move on, mazes, difficulty, but its the struggle that these modern composers are interested in.
>>65055930
Stockhausen carefully scores out everything though. Might want to actually learn something about a compose before bagging them. Its ok if you only know helicopter string quartet, but calling Stockhausen a hack is just wrong, and I hope you feel pretty dumb right now.
>>65059217
if someone handed you this and told you to play it how would you react? a score is instructions to play something and making somebody learn a whole new language to understand your music is retarded.
then if you cant play the hogwash they hand you you are suddenly a bad musician
>>65059259
>pic related
plus Stockhausen is pretty much the ultimate hack of the 20th century
>>65060031
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkdPkrCXMNA
Related.
Also, some 20th century non-memetic Classical:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTpAIEp6DUo
>>65060031
>muh musical tension due to an unreadable score
>>65060031
Is that Enochian?
>>65060957
German Enochian, which is organic.
Xenakis or Varèse?
>>65062325
why not both?
It's shit.
rip /classical/
>>65062325
varese tbf
>>65053881
>He called his music "Greek music."
He is really good but I think pic related has the best Greek sound. His O Protomastoras is one of the best.
Just discovered this general. I live it.
I enjoy very feelsy and dramatic pieces. Any recommendations?
>>65064496
Rachmaninoff's 2nd and 3rd Piano Concertos. 2nd is my favorite out of the two.
Slavic/Russian Romantic composers in general are pretty into very feelsy and dramatic pieces.
>>65064496
Schubert in general.
>>65064535
>>65064538
Haven't heard of either. My night is planned. Thanks.
Do you two play?
>>65064674
I used to play piano rather mediocre (I could get through Chopin's Fantasie Impromptu and Revolutionary Etude but with a shit ton of imperfections) but haven't in awhile. Almost no time anymore. I should be able to get back into it now that summer is approaching.
>>65064535
Don't listen to this fellow. Rachmaninoff is complete garbage. I don't know how /classical/ can recommend him.
>>65064496
Listen to Mozart.
Bump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to1hR2iY61w
>>65064950
Rachmaninoff is a good intro to classical music. It's easy listening and he hits all of the points for emotional writing.
>>65065003
What level is his music? Anything fun to play?
pleb/general know-nothing here. can anyone possibly give a super brief summary (if that's even possible) how one reads one of these things?
anyone have books on modern classical and electronic composers like Xenakis, Varese, Babbitt, and Stockhausen?
>>65065256
Seconding this.
Anywhere I get get FLACs?
>>65064496
Kreisleriana
>>65065560
Alex Ross's The Rest Is Noise is going to give you a less specialized take on each and every composer but is honestly a huge joy to read and very informative as an introduction. i also really enjoyed it as a way of connecting together trends i never really knew meshed together, and connections i never knew existed were revealed. A+ book.
>>65067451
What.cd, rutracker, some of the mega links, blogs.
>>65064535
>2nd is my favorite out of the two.
Just listened. Interesting. Shame the original had such poor audio quality since it's so old. That whole piece just seems like such a mess in orchestra to me.
>>65064799
>Chopin's Fantasie Impromptu
Good piece.
>>65064538
Time for Sherbert.
>>65059706
scribbles on a page are very different to a ferneyhough piece. Its all about the detail. Ferneyhough actually knows what he's doing and produces very interesting performances. Playing scribbles on a page is easy for a contemporary musician, but a Ferneyhough score will challenge even the most hardened musician, which is why they love it. They want to be challenged. Otherwise they get bored. I'm not talking about your run of the mill orchestral performers by the way, they're happy to play Brahms and Mahler their whole lives. I'm talking about those performers who specialise in contemporary music. Thats who Ferneyhough writes for, and thats who appreciate Ferneyhough. He's really a composer that only other composers or contemporary performers "get" other people are just like "whats this noise?"
>>65060031
Stockhausen was probably the least hackish composer in the 20th century. Constantly innovating, doing things everyone said he couldn't do. His use of spatial elements in music is unrivaled, and he helped take serialism to its peak, among many other 20th centruy milestones. Dont be blinded by the memes, yes he knew how to create a scene, but yes he also knew how to create great music, and he did, his whole life. You dont have to like it, but dont call him a hack unless you have some kind of evidence to back up your claim (you dont)
>>65065256
Xenakis isn't really for the plebs. Learn to read normal music first, learn about music history up until 1900, then you can start to learn about the 20th century. Its like jumping in the deep end of classical. Although the book mentioned in >65067564 is a good start once you've learned the basics of the common practice period
Any of you see this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhIuclUqaQE
>>65064974
>mehzart
>feelsy
>>65064950
>rachmaninoff
>complete garbage
these people have different opinions to me. I've never felt anything from a Mozart piece except the requiem and mass in C minor. Most Mozart is light homophonic tunes for background music. And Rachmaninoff isn't complete garbage. He has some passable music. He uses basic musical building blocks, so many people who think they have "advanced" taste underrate him. He's like Mozart: simple ideas carried out effectively. Some people have trouble dealing with that.
>>65068379
Fuck off poly.
>>65068379
Further proof.
>>65068379
>says Mehzart
>says Rachmaninov like Mozart is underrated
Can't tell if Poly or not.
>>65068379
I think for Mozart a lot of the feeling comes from actually playing it. At least for me. I love playing his adagio movements.
>>65067747
>That whole piece just seems like such a mess in orchestra to me.
Try a different recording. I've never been under the impression that it was messy, though I'm sure our definitions for "messy" might be different.
>Time for Sherbert.
Listen to his D960 sonata and 8th and 9th symphonies as well as his Winterreise.
>>65067801
put your trip back on poly
>>65064496
Bartok Violin Sonata No.1
>>65068913
>Violin
There's another instrument.
My plan is to make a billion dollars through apps and websites so I can just sit around and play violin, piano, and trombone all day until I can get in an Orchestra where I'll play until I literally die on stage. I'll make sure everyone keeps playing too.
>>65053776
I'm listening to his electronic music. Bohor is fucking nuts, what theh ell is going on?
>>65053776
>>65053836
>>65055234
>>65055262
>>65055312
these look like good posters, are there any places that sell stuff like these as posters?
>>65068560
>Listen to his D960 sonata
This is really nice. Thanks.
When a trill is marked for a timpani, is it actually trilling on two notes or just doing a tremolo on one?
Learning a piano song like 2x my skill level
I kept repeating the difficult part for almost 30 straight minutes until I couldn't read anymore and almost passed out.
Normal or should I see a doctor?
>>65070785
Which piece?
>>65070552
I believe just one note.
>>65070785
See a doctor before you end up like Schumann.
Bump with obscure Russian music for obscure Russian synthesizer
>>65053776
Where do I start with Xenakis?
>>65072870
from here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZazYFchLRI
>>65073028
well that sucked
Who is the Mike Patton of classical composers?
Who is this poly and what makes some people here recognize him?
>>65073988
Poly is a tripfags and he is recognizable from his strong distaste for Mozart and his love of Bach's works being recorded not on keyboard or piano but on orchestra.
>>65074079
https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/mu/?task=search&ghost=&search_text=clown+without+jest
>>65074085
Meant for >>65073988
>>65073949
Xenakis or Wagner
>>65073988
I am he. A classically trained composer who has lurked /mu/ for a couple of years. Sometimes I rec classical shit, sometimes classical recs me shit.
>>65074079
>Bach's works being recorded not on keyboard or piano but on orchestra
firstly, pianos are keyboard instruments. secondly, Bach wrote for orchestras, his orchestral suites and passions for example.
As to the specific recording of art of fugue you're referring to, harpsichord is a keyboard instrument, and features in almost every track. having a string quartet play the other parts helps you clearly hear each line, and allows the players to focus on each line in ways a single player could not, playing 4 parts themselves on a single instrument.
Modern piano is less correct for art of fugue than organ or strings, due to held pedal notes which would decay on a piano. Plus Mozart and Haydn studied Bach fugues by hearing them performed on string quartet, surely they would have just used a single musician to play them on piano if it were preferable.
>>65073949
Probably Stockhausen
>wacky as fuck, outgoing antics and clusterfuck music not necessarily meant to be understood
>fans piss in a bottle and throw it onstage, at the end of the concert he pours it on himself
>loved to fuck around on synths
>worked with Dillinger escape plan
>unable to be taken seriously by the vast majority of people
the only thing missing is singing cheesily
>>65074219
>>fans piss in a bottle and throw it onstage, at the end of the concert he pours it on himself
Sauce pls
>>65074219
>String notes are automatically easier to differentiate than keyboard notes
All of the notes should be clear regardless of what instrument they are played on.
>>65074306
4 different players situated around the listener are much easier to differentiate than all the notes coming from inside a piano frame. Its a spatial thing as well as the physical qualities of the difference between violin, viola, and cello.
There's plenty of solo harpsichord in the musica antiqua koln art of fugue if thats what you prefer though.
>>65054304
when did he make this. is this inspired by space odyssey or opposite. sounds just like it
>>65074291
Patton did this, I doubt Stockhausen did.
>>65070552
one note if its tr~~~~~, two different notes if two different pitches are specified and they have a slur over them with tremolo marking like pic related. This wouldn't be possible if the two different pitches had to be played on the same drum though, there's no way to retune the drum fast enough, even with modern pedals, unless its at such a slow tempo that it ceases to really be a "trill".
A standard trill notation will just be your average drum roll on most percussion instruments, unless they actually have a keyboard like a marimba or glock etc.
>>65053776
im new to mu
what are these charts
>>65074291
Cleanest Patton has ever been.
