How does /mlp/ feel aboot this?
>>27884625
Feels good owning the internet.
>>27884625
It deserves it.
PMVs are kinda faggy, but bearable as long as it's not either overly girlish or edgelord
>>27884625
Imagine the butthurt when we hit 100m
>>27884625
I'm curious, what's the most viewed movie song on YouTube and where does Welcome to the Show fit in on the ladder?
>>27884640
It's not a PMV, it's the scene from the movie.
>>27884640
IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE DAYS
WHERE YOU DON'T WANNA WAKE UP
EVERYTHING'S -friendship!-
EVERYBODY -friendship!-
YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW WHY
BUT YOU WANNA JUSTIFY
-making lots of friends!-
>>27884698
And it is also the most viewed mlp related video on youtube
Empty
>>27884625
Saddened, disgusted, bereft of additional, unspecified amount of faith and hope that I didn't even know I had left.
>>27884625
Makes me feel warm.
>>27884761
Yes. I find it funny when >no hooves fags say EqG is unpopular when it is undoubtedly the most popular aspect of MLP on YouTube.
>>27884625
I'm fine with it.
>>27884625
I don't, really. It means nothing to me.
>>27884784
I'm not saying EQG is unpopular.
I'm saying it's utter garbage.
What you're implying is like saying that Justin Bieber is a good singer because he's popular, or Miley Cyrus is a good actress for the same reason.
>>27884812
This.
> no hooves
> no hooves
>>27884812
>>27884812
Agree.
>>27884826
stop
>>27884812
Yeah but Welcome to the Show kicks ass.
>>27884840
>>27884826
>>27884819
>>27884812
t. butthurt cucks
>>27884842
Dumb frogposter.
>>27884858
Dumb memeposter.
>>27884858
>Agree with opinion
>y-you're just butthurt, you c-cuck
Keep meming anon. Just because I dislike EQG doesn't mean I'm butthurt about it, or the fact that its enjoyed by the (you)tube crowd.
>>27884689
I'm gonna guess it is Let It Go which has 800 million views and another exact video with 500 million views.
>>27884852
Yes, but it's still like a gleaming diamond in the middle of ocean of diarrhea.
And diamond is just a really dense carbon, anyway.
>>27884761
>And it is also the most viewed mlp related video on youtube
>>27884909
gangnam style of wtf ever has like a billion.
>>27884812
Can you give any particular reason how it would objectively be garbage?
>>27884933
But that's not from a movie.
>>27884625
>leaf
>>27884937
It's simply a clone of other things like Monster High. MLP is a show that's meant to sell toys but it started with genuine heart. EQG is solely an hour long toy commercial. That's why the EQG dolls sell so well in not just the US but especially in Latin America.
>>27884858
Good job resorting to posting memes when an actual argument hits you.
>>27884937
I would, but retards the likes of >>27884858 and likely yourself would just repeat the same memes all over again. We've had this discussion like a million times before, and a million times to come. There's no point in putting any effort into coming up with a reasonable reply or arguments when in fact you're replying to a brick wall of memes and overused image macros.
>>27884966
How is it a Monster High clone? That it takes place on high school like a lot of other animated series?
>>27884976
>actual argument
You mean your opinion?
>>27884979
>running for prom queen
>love interests
>singing competitions
It's basic rehashed concepts that could be found in other girly shows/movies. At least in MLP you had lore and some sort of adventure.
>>27884812
yes, good singers got popular with crowds that enjoy them. the fact you dislike it for your own reasons does not make it objectively bad, no matter how big of a meme hating justin became.
similarly, no matter how big of a meme hating EqG became its still decent and has some good songs. you personally disliking something in your own opinion isnt a valid argument for being something objectively bad.
>>27884979
>Take school setting
>Insert magical girls
>???
>Profit
Hasbro created EqG to edge in on Mattel's (who's pretty much their direct competitor when it comes to girl toys) territory involving these elements.
>>27885022
But that doesn't mean it's a Monster High clone. It's just as inane as saying FiM is a carebears clone.
Sure they share similar elements but that doesn't mean they're a clone of each other.
>>27885022
mattel invented monster high to compete against barbie, and barbie got the idea from the old pin-up girls. no concept is new, theyre just rehashed in different ways.
one could argue that they didnt even make mlp original. it copies a lot of elements from D&D, which literally got its ideas from folk tales and old myths.
>>27884784
EQG is a easy facebook bait
>>27884966
I don't like EQG because it is uninteresting and is wasted potential but I usually don't buy the whole it's a clone of argument since pretty much anything made today can be arguably said it is a clone of something.
>>27884625
They could have made 3 pony movies instead. Really makes you think.
>>27885042
What chu mean senpai
>>27884966
>It's simply a clone of other things like Monster High
Could you give examples of what elements are copied from the Monster High franchise?
>MLP is a show that's meant to sell toys but it started with genuine heart
I would also like to hear how the genuine nature of a production is measured. I'm sure any show creator out there would say they put their highest effort toward making their show as quality as they can.
>>27885007
Ah I see you responded to somebody else.
>It's basic rehashed concepts that could be found in other girly shows/movies
There are plenty of recycled ideas and concepts in the entertainment industry. How does that make such ideas inherently bad?
>At least in MLP you had lore and some sort of adventure
FiM itself also has plenty of influence and ideas that came from other sources. This is starting to come across as personal taste rather than an objective lack of quality on EqG's part.
>>27884976
I don't meme, sir or madam. I am completely driven by a desire to foster fair and balanced discussion and debate for a higher quality posting environment. I take interest in any opposing points and seek reasonable correspondence with consideration made for each other's argument.
And yes, I do know where I am.
>>27885051
>wasted potential
>literally better than any episode post S3
Bait harder
>>27885131
>I don't meme, sir or madam. I am completely driven by a desire to foster fair and balanced discussion and debate for a higher quality posting environment.
You're in the wrong neighborhood.
>>27885152
lmao you're a fucking idiot
>>27885152
That's some nice bait, desu~
>>27885131
MLP
>gee wiz I cant wait to be the person to reboot a show that I loved since childhood. I better make sure to put my heart and soul into this so Hasbro doesn't just treat it as a commercial.
t. Lauren Faust
EQG
>Okay fuckheads Hasbro told us to make this to sell more toys and compete with Barbie/Bratz/Monster High. Give me the easiest concept you could think of and work on that.
t. Meghan Mccarthy
>>27884625
So I've never actually heard this song, or even seen Rainbow Rocks.
Just listened to it now.
It's... alright? Nice beat towards the end, but it was pretty standard highschool-pop-fare. To be expected, obviously, but that doesn't mean it's particularly outstanding.
96 million views is crazy though.
>>27885184
>shitposting nyxfag
loldidntread
>>27885237
Not an argument
>>27885248
neither is a strawman, yet there you are.
>>27885252
Not an argument
>>27885184
Got any proofs of their actual intentions or are you just working off assumptions based on what Lauren has stated in interviews and your interpretation of EqG as a franchise?
Big Jim has said that the current team is still dedicated to making a quality show. Surely you wouldn't call him a liar and still use Lauren saying she aimed to make a quality show as an argument to why the early show would be considered good while EqG would not.
>>27885184
I think that was pretty much the idea behind behind the first EQG but Rainbow Rocks and Friendship Games are on par with the show. They have good songs, character interactions and villains and the Sunset redemption arc even kind of redeems the first movie a bit. I don't know what happened, maybe they realized that if it was going to be a series instead of a quickly forgotten one-off they should put some more effort into it.
>>27885248
>>27885269
Fuck off Stefan.
>>27885184
>oh shit guys, hasbro make more difficult my job. I quit
t. Lauren Faust
>well guys, this will be a little more difficult. Lets work harder
t. Meghan Mccarthy
>>27885495
Not an argument.
Remember kids, arguing on the internet is for morons.
You can only imagine how idiotic you have to be to argue on an anonymous message board famous for its stupidity.
>>27884625
100,000,000 when?
>>27884625
>more views = good!
Dumb logic from Barneyfags as expected.
>>27885556
off by one >>27885555
>>27885569
holy kek, someone add my in the future screencap with a lot of zoomed words
>>27885554
Back to the basement.
>>27885584
>>>/reddit/
You might like their kind more
>>27884625
I didn't realize the Dazzlings where that popular.
>>27885595
I think you would like them more.
They tend to repeat crap without any redeeming quality like you are right now.
Be sure to tip your trilby on your way out!
>>27885569
If it isn't good then why did you waifu the blueberry retard Dazzling, Barneyfig?
>>27884812
>>27885473
Mom have a fucking miscarriage. That why she quit, and hasbro add a lot of stress that help that miscarriage to happen
>>27884784
Nobody says that it's unpopular.
I just think it's bad.
>>27885131
>I don't meme, sir or madam. I am completely driven by a desire to foster fair and balanced discussion and debate for a higher quality posting environment.
Holy shit, go back to r*ddit
>>27884625
Hard to believe that so many people like it.
>>27885884
What's the matter, spammed the word reddit too much that you have to censor it to be able to post it?
Sorry if I don't resort to using catchphrases to dismiss an argument.
>>27886008
>sunshit simmer
>>27884625
>best song from the best eqg movie gets the most views
Nothing to see here.
>>27886008
make a better argument and don't use shitty memes, so far it only consists of
>yes it copied but that's not a bad thing
>FiM also does it!
which is the standard fair for EqGfag arguments.
Using the same concepts is fine, reusing a generic and overused setting (boring suburban high school) is lazy and trash. And that's just one example of which the entire EqG series consists of. The dazzlings were using tropes from 1925 and did it amazingly poorly.
go back to r*ddit, m'lord
>>27884625
MLP
>cute ponies
>Equestria
EQGs
>weird humans
>a high school
>>27886115
"anti-EqGfags" never can define how it's bad. They often repeat "it copies other things" or rely on cherry picking the high school setting. How is it objectively bad? Because you and several others don't like it? Again, it sounds like an issue of personal taste.
>inb4 "your taste is just shit"
Ad hom isn't an argument. :^)
>>27886246
>cherry picking the high school setting.
Stop pretending that the setting of a show isn't important to said show, retard. Here, let's compare!
FIM
>Magical land of equestria
>varied landscapes, from plains and mountains to cities and even wild western towns
>volcanic dragonlands
>rolling hills and fall-hued woods
>wild and untamed magical jungle
>cold and wintry empire of crystals
>a majestic regal castle perched on the side of a steep mountain
>even a fucking floating cloud city that makes the weather and moves from location to location
Eqg
>high school
>uh...that one time they went to a bakery?
>a bedroom and a kitchen
>high school again
And don't forget that the Eqg world is so drab they LITERALLY had to shove the land of Equestria into it to spice things up.
Say what you will about everything else, but the setting of FiM is objectively better and has way more potential for imaginative stories.
>>27886115
>I don't like thing
I'll alert the papers.
>>27886344
Dubs confirm
>>27886344
>Stop pretending that the setting of a show isn't important to said show
spongebob takes place in about 2 locations. objectively the top show on the planet.
your argument is invalid.
>>27886365
Nice red herring faggot
>>27884625
Hardly surprised
>>27886344
I don't disagree with this. EqG does have a pretty barebones setting. Not saying FiM is perfect because Equestria is pretty much generic fantasy with some inconsistent levels of technology but at the least it has more potential.
I think it's one of EG greater failings is that the setting is not well defined. We literally know nothing about the world.
>>27886393
>hurr durr
nice rebuttal ^:)
the point is the characters are what makes a show or movie work. indeed, the setting largely doesnt matter.
>>27886365
>comparing spongebob to ponies
Spongebob is a comedy show, and a damned good one at that. Most of the humor isn't derived from it's setting, but from it's character's bouncing off of each other.
Ponies on the other hand is more of a multifaceted affair, mixing adventure, fantasy, slice of life and character comedy into one genre-defying show. The locations are MUCH more important to ponies than they are in Spongebob. And even then, what if they made a Spongebob spinoff where he no longer worked at the Krusty Krab but attended high school?
FiM made it's world important, from the very first words on the first episode:
"Once upon a time, in the magical land of Equestria..."
When you take that setting away, the entire affair suffers. ESPECIALLY if you go from a magical world of literally any location your mind can dream up to mid-2010s high school.
>>27886426
>Most of the humor isn't derived from it's setting, but from it's character's bouncing off of each other
could you not say the same thing about mlp? is "the characterizations are great" not one of the main arguments for the show being great?
when asked why people like the show, most of the responses are "it has good characters, good songs, and theyre cute." the fantasy setting is hardly factored in because it is a secondary characteristic of a show. a show will succeed regardless of its settings if the characters are lovable.
>>27884625
Best mlp movie
>>27886426
>and a damned good one at that
I hope you're talking about the older seasons m8
>>27884625
The movie is pure kino
>>27886473
>kino
It's a flick at best
>>27884625
Unfortunately for Hasbro, those views did not translate into sales and they have been loosing money on EqG.
>>27886524
Except they haven't lad.
Even in 2015 when sales did go down they were still making money off EqG.
>>27886425
>the characters are what makes a show or movie work.
This. It's the reason I can still rewatch RR, but EQG 1 and 3 both make me want to jab my fucking eyes out.
>>27886456
So then lets take a look at the glib facsimiles of characters that EqG has. The mane 6 are almost non existent in personality, with out using FiM you would be hard pressed to describe their character without resorting to bit tropes or describing how they look. While Sunset has gotten some characterization, compared to FiM the rest of the main cast have almost no character at all, being as bland as the setting of a American highschool.
>>27886344
>Stop pretending that the setting of a show isn't important to said show, retard
No where did I imply it wasn't, gentlesir.
The argument I put forward about cherrypicking was the opinionated assumption that a high school setting ever is always bad. Which is entirely subjective and I do so ever despise how dismissive *some* people get when flaunting their opinions as though it was a universally accepted objective fact. Which, I might add, would be bandwagoning to say "x amount of people agree that high school settings are bad, therefore they are bad."
Bringing up that there are ideas borrowed from other sources in FiM was merely as an example that creative media borrows ideas from other sources, it's not tu quoque since I pointed out that the ideas are different enough that some people may like one but not the other. It wasn't a comparison of quality.
Furthermore, no where in this argument is the quality difference between EqG and the main show ever brought up, so I don't know why you're making the comparison. Relative privation, I guess? regardless that you made it a strawman anyway by using weak EqG examples.
>inb4 "herp derp that's all I could find heheheh"
>Say what you will about everything else, but the setting of FiM is objectively better and has way more potential for imaginative stories.
Again, that's not part of the argument. I find it rather humorous that you need to latch on to FiM's quality to assure your reasoning for not liking EqG.
But it's perfectly fine to not like EqG, I wouldn't hold it against you as a matter of opinion. All you had to say was "I don't like EqG."
>>27886557
FG had literally the best characterization for the main characters (Sunset and Twi). RR's villains are overrated and had generic as fuck motivation (being evil because it's in their nature to feed on emotion. Changelings suck too for the same reason.)
>>27886592
theyre almost identical to their FiM counterparts from s1 with sunset being the only new character with a new personality.
theyre from an alternate universe and are supposed to be the same characters.
>>27886456
I would actually argue that the setting of FiM is more important than most people give it credit for. Yes, the characterizations are excellent, but several episodes of the show have very specific settings that make the episode into what it is.
The S1 Season premiere wouldn't work without the setting change of moving from the tall spires and clean lines of Canterlot to the more natural, earthy setting of Ponyville. The Castle of the Two Sisters and the Everfree Forest is important as well.
Feeling Pinkie Keen needs Froggy Bottom Bog to challenge Twilight.
Dragonshy needs the smoke covered mountain for Fluttershy's weaknesses to stand out.
Winter Wrap Up needs Ponyville to show how the three races work together to change the weather.
Fall Weather Friends needs White Tail Woods to frame RD and AJ's rivalry.
Over a Barrel needs the town of Apploosa for it's wild west aesthetic.
Best Night Ever needs the stuffy, proper world of the Gala so it's cliches can be subverted and outright destroyed.
MMMystery needs the train for it's mystery to work.
May the Best Pet Win and the bleak bottom of Ghastly Gorge.
I can go on. Castlemania. Bats. Power Ponies. The Lost Treasure of Griffonstone. Rarity Takes Manehattan. The Gauntlet of Fire.
All episodes where the setting played an important role in the story. So yes, character does matter. But in a series like Eqg where the characters are mostly stiff cutouts of better ones, having a better setting would help. With FIM, setting and characters combine to form an enjoyable show. In Eqg the characters have to stand on their own, to often disappointing results.
>>27886645
i would never count out the setting entirely, im just saying it will always be secondary to the characters. its not important in the sense that it doesnt decide whether a show succeeds or not. it can make good shows better, but cant do anything on its own.
>>27886616
>Again, that's not part of the argument.
You can't talk about Eqg without talking about FIM, no matter how much you'd like to. Eqg has latched onto the better series and refuses to let go to make a name for itself. For fuck's sake the next one is going to be set in their world's version of Everfree Forest, further tying the two together. When equestria girls can stand on its own without constantly trying to ape off of the things that made FiM a success I'll stop bringing it up.
Oh, and for the record, I don't like Eqg AND it's shit. Wild, I know.
>>27886707
>You can't talk about Eqg without talking about FIM
gee anon, are you saying that one is literally based off of the other?
Honestly, the last 2 EQG movies were better than the last 2 seasons of the show
>>27886764
Friendship games is incomplete as fuck and nowhere near show level.
Rainbow Rocks is godlike though I agree.
>>27886764
>EQG is better that a piece of turd rotting
not a big deal
>>27886707
Maybe that's because it's the same fucking series in the same timeline and EqG couldn't exist without the original show
Give me one good reason why the movies should throw out the source of their main characters and universe
>>27886785
Friendship Games was the best movie you retard
Rainbow Rocks was dogshit filled with way too much pop garbage and brony pandering
>>27884625
That EQG needs it`s own show already
>>27886764
>Eqg better than S5
How is it possible to be this wrong? Not saying Rainbow Rocks is bad, but it's nowhere near as good as S5 or even Saddle Row Review by itself.
>>27886816
Season 5 and 6 were trash with only about 5 good episodes in all
Season 4 was infinitely better yet people love to shit on it because of the treebrary assploding
>>27886804
>>27886715
>don't want people to compare EQG to FIM when talking about quality
>also don't EQG to stop aping off of FIM
>>27886707
Yes, you can talk about EqG without making the comparison to FiM. You just happen to refuse doing so. The foul being committed here is your fixation on FiM and in that regard you dislike EqG because it's not FiM. Despite, as you described, how it latches on to "the better series".
You don't like certain elements of EqG because they're different.
>>27886785
>Friendship games is incomplete as fuck and nowhere near show level.
It's incomplete insofar as they mistakenly cut what could have been a superb plot line, though despite the cuts still tops numerous episodes of the show in regard to characterization of SciTwi and Sunset AND the intriguing storyline behind SciTwi's fall to magic corruption and much more natural redemption.
>Rainbow Rocks is godlike though
pic related
>>27886839
FiM ripped off My Little Pony G1
>>27886839
>I don't want people to compare part of a series of other parts of the series when talking about quality
>>27886835
Why do people keep acting as if season 6 is over?
>>27886835
wew lad, that is one hot ass opinion. Do you also enjoy uncle grandpa and fighting for women's rights in the western world?
>>27886883
>hurr durr I can spew my opinion but if you do it you're a tumblrina
>>27886876
I'm saying that this one particular eqg-fag doesn't want people to compare eqg to fim when talking about objective quality.
I just want eqg shitters to make up their mind. Is it okay if it's compared to FIM or not. Simple yes or no question.
>>27886835
>Season 5 and 6 were trash
whats it like constantly having the taste if shit in your mouth? do you even notice it after a while, or do you just get so used to it that everything you say is shit?
>>27886920
sure, compare them.
>>27886707
You realize EqG is a FiM spin-off right?
It pretty much means that FiM sets the foundation.
>>27886246
>Again, it sounds like an issue of personal taste.
No fucking shit you dumb cunt, everything is ultimately subjective.
>How is it objectively bad?
It's unoriginal. If you're just going to plead subjectivity, I'm just going to ignore you. When did I ever say it was "objectively bad?" Oh and every argument is ultimately rooted in subjectivity.
>eqgfags in charge of arguments
>>27886355
Guess what this thread is about dumbass?
>>27886425
>the point is the characters are what makes a show or movie work
Well, it's sad that the characters are so shit. Bland, reduced shells of their main-show selves.
>the setting largely doesnt matter
Maybe to you, since you have to ignore it to like such utter tripe.
>>27886992
>Well, it's sad that the characters are so shit. Bland, reduced shells of their main-show selves.
>Literally the same characters
You stupid sack of shit.
>>27887005
>Literally the same characters
No, have you even watched the movies? Maybe in name, but in action, they do fuck all and are basically just stand-in cardboard cutouts.
>>27887024
they act like their s1 counterparts because they didnt have twilight to influence them.
so what youre saying is s1 characterization was bland and shitty, and i agree. however, using the pwoer of nostalgia goggles and powerful bias, youve managed to separate the idea in your brain.
>>27886992
Do you have any actual reasoning that isn't rooted in generically defined terms as to why you dislike it?
> If you're just going to plead subjectivity, I'm just going to ignore you
Or are you going to continue being a sensitive little bitch because your opinions are being challenged? Feel free to crawl away and ignore answering if it's triggering you so. :^)
Reminder that three minutes of EQG have better characterization and development than all of FiM combined.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqnbYUG6Bn8
Stay mad plebs.
>>27887037
>they act like their s1 counterparts
Not even a little.
>so what youre saying is s1 characterization was bland and shitty
Putting words in my mouth isn't a good way to make a point, dumbass
>using the pwoer of nostalgia goggles and powerful bias, youve managed to separate the idea in your brain.
Again, where did you even get this? Please tell me how all three EqG movies have all of the m6 act like they did in ALL of S1.
Eqgfags must be a part of the target audience seeing how they're forming this shitty of an argument
>>27887068
>any actual reasoning
Lets use the third movie. The entire plot of it was retarded. The pacing was god awful. The entire "villain" cast was pure hype and did fuck all. Scilight turned evil for literally no reason despite absorbing the magic of the hm6 on accident. Hell, they couldn't even get their tenses proper.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3pOZTRw7oc
It's alumni. You honestly defend the quality of this movie when they can't even write a proper script.
> generically defined terms
Generic and unoriginal are pretty well defined terms, yea, you may not like them because you know it is true, but attacking a word because it's "generic" is a pretty lame excuse for a counter argument.
>because your opinions are being challenged
Really? You need to go back to where this started, I challenged your shitty """"argument"""" which was that unoriginality isn't a flaw. Please, challenge my opinion, you've done a terrible job at doing it thus far. Go ahead and cling to your smug images, I have plenty of ones which characterize you. Please note that this characterization is better than the shit done in eqg
>>27887158
*It's not alumni
>>27887117
(You)
>>27884812
>Bashing on EqG in a totally unrelated thread.
How's it going Purple Smart?
>>27887158
>Not even a little.
>muh im awesome dash
>muh shy unassertive fluttershy
>muh appuls AJ
>muh parties pinkie
>muh fashionista rarity
literally copies of s1 pones in human bodies.
>>27887277
Literally not an argument. Pure made-up strawman.
>>27886616
>RR's villains are overrated and had generic as fuck motivation (being evil because it's in their nature to feed on emotion. Changelings suck too for the same reason.
Nice to see that even Rarifags can disagree.
>>27887158
>The entire plot of it was retarded
You're opinion is wrong. The curiosity of a lonely student being manipulated by a spiteful principal intent on winning a competition, the student of which becomes corrupted by magic she had been unwittingly collecting is then saved by her friendly interactions with the students of the opposing school is a perfectly cohesive plot, despite your lack of ability to reasonably evaluate it.
>The pacing was god awful
Student shows curiosity toward magical anomaly, goes back to the school to be manipulated by the principal, the schools meet up and proceed to go through the events as the student gradually absorbs the magic as well as experiences friendship with the hm6, until the final scene where the culmination of magic overtakes her with a corrupting influence before she gets saved by the friendship she experienced.
>The entire "villain" cast was pure hype and did fuck all
The Crystal Prep students weren't "villains"
>Scilight turned evil for literally no reason despite absorbing the magic of the hm6 on accident
Exposed to a magical influence with no understanding of it and having a hunger for more magic seems pretty reasonable.
>Hell, they couldn't even get their tenses proper
>when they can't even write a proper script
You are basically pic related at this point m8. Seems pretty pedantic to use a mistaken word choice as a defining fault.
>Generically defined terms
By which I meant your reasoning for hating EqG. "It's unoriginal" and "it's a highschool setting" don't explain why you dislike these elements.
>I-I'm not upset that my opinions are being challenged, YOU are!
I'm not the one who said I'll start ignoring someone for disagreeing with me, lad.
>>27887342
i dont think you understand what a strawman is, or what youre even arguing about.
>>27887353
>reaction images = favorite pone
why do people ever think this?
>>27887583
>i dont think you understand what a strawman is
You literally strawmanned all of the characters, simplifying them into a basic "muh x" statement
>>27887548
>You're opinion is wrong
Weren't you just on about objectivity?
> is a perfectly cohesive plot
Check your eyes, I say retarded, not non-cohesive. The fact that a principal is blackmailing a student is not only absurd but outright idiotic. But even if we just roll with it, the fact that Scilight turns evil and suddenly wants to destroy everything is possibly one of the worst villain ideas ever. It's quite literally just becoming evil because of some magical evil substance, which is strange because it didn't make any of the m6 evil
>summarizing the story = pacing
Open a dictionary, the movie spent so much goddamn time building up to the Friendship games and then literally skipped through it in a single song and that retarded race.
>culmination of magic overtakes her with a corrupting influence before she gets saved by the friendship she experienced
And you're trying to defend this? "Culmination of magic" somehow turns people evil? Why no explanation of how this stupid plot device shit works?
>The Crystal Prep students weren't "villains"
Then what the fuck were they? I watched the ads
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdjgJb0ovxM
>a magical influence with no understanding
Nice cop out, but unforgettably that really doesn't excuse anything. And if you don't see reason to outright dislike an explanation of "no one understands it" then you're either a shill or a retard.
>having a hunger for more magic
Where does this come from? She was curious, not power hungry, she didn't even want to absorb their magic
>defining fault
It shows the writers are either incompetent or they just don't care.
>your reasoning for hating EqG
It's far more than just being unoriginal, being unoriginal just happens to be a large issue that carries across in all three
(cont)
>>27887726
>don't explain why you dislike these elements.
I shouldn't have to explain why unoriginality and reusing the same stale plots/settings is a flaw. I'm positive that you don't know why the show even caught on and you just read shitty greentext here, but originally, people liked the show because it wasn't generic girly shit. It was its own universe with lore to back and had unique and interesting characters. A highschool loses all of that.
> for disagreeing
You don't speak english well, now do you? I said if you're just going to scream objectivity/subjectivity I'm going to ignore you.
It's a 72 minute movie, and it takes around 36 minutes to even get to the friendship games. The games themselves aren't even continuous and only last a total of ~14 minutes. If having the buildup be longer than the actual event isn't bad pacing, I don't know what is. As for villains, scilight wasn't by any definition a "villain" and Cinch hardly acted as one. She was a meager plot device with her only motivation being "reputation" and winning a trivial little game. Since according to you, the opposing team of the Friendship Games (which the movie is named after) isn't the main villain despite the entire movie spurring from the Shadowbolts being better than Wondercolts.
Trash, all that movie is. 1 and 2 aren't any better, but since the extent of your argumentation is reducing the plot down through words, I doubt it would even be worth bringing those up.
>>27887726
>Weren't you just on about objectivity?
Yes, your opinion is subjective and mine is objectively correct. Handle some bantz m8.
>A principal being driven by pride is absurd
Tell that to any school that participates in some form of competition. And more corrupt shit besides blackmail has happened within the education system too. It makes sense.
>summarizing the story
Showcasing the pacing. The events occurred in a timely and organized fashion. Being autistically fixated about what the movie was titled isn't helping.
>Please explain how a person gaining power they had no previous experience with could possibly be corrupted by it
Gee I didn't realize I was arguing with somebody who has the mental capacity of an infant.
>Then what the fuck were they?
Secondary antagonists. The trailer you linked also alluded to SciTwi meddling with magic.
>that really doesn't excuse anything
Because you say so? I'm sorry, the only retard here is the one that doesn't comprehend that a person gaining sudden power would be fucking influenced by it.
>How can somebody getting exposed to a fuck-ton of magical energy after clearly showing they were interested in finding out about said energy possibly want more of that magical energy??
See above and try using a bit of deductive reasoning.
>It shows the writers are either incompetent or they just don't care.
Sure, m8, you just keep grasping at whatever straws you can ;^)
>It's far more than [I'm willing to put effort into explaining]
ftfy
>>27887898
>I shouldn't have to explain why [I'm a lazy faggot that doesn't want to put effort into it, so I'll continue being dismissive]
ftfy
Disregarding that you fucking agreed that it's subjective, ignoring an argument you don't like because of phrasing is still ignoring an argument for disagreeing. Doubly so because you somehow hypocritically disagree with the phrasing that you agreed is the case.
>>27887898
>Bitches about a plot summary being used in an argument
>Uses a plot summary as the basis of an argument
You hypocritical cunt.
>Well since you're just going to reduce the plot down by words
Again, this is what you're doing to criticize the fucking plot. You are literally hanging onto the word choice they made in one scene, and fixating on the title of the movie as the basis of the entire plot.
But do go ahead and let's nitpick all three movies for completion's sake and to cover all bases. After all, I wouldn't dismiss an argument.
>>27888048
>Handle some bantz m8.
bad banter, almost as bad as the movies
>any school
Blackmail is illegal. This is a kids show.
>occurred in a timely and organized fashion
I already broke it down for you
>fixated about what the movie was titled isn't helping
>it's autism for a movie titled "friendship games" to focus on the actual friendship games
>gaining power they had no previous experience with could possibly be corrupted by it
Corruption isn't a state of person, you don't suddenly turn into evil once you have power. And it's remarkably childish for someone to just become unadulterated evil. Magic is a shitty plot device that never got explanation, how did Fluttershy or any of the other characters not turn or become evil? Why did Sunset not become evil? Why is your only method of arguing reduction?
>Secondary antagonists
Oh, I thought this movie was about the Friendship Games, since it was titled Friendship Games and the focus was on that event. Little did I realize the movie was actually about a purple nerd fucking around.
>gaining sudden power
What the fuck is "power?" Yes, it's a stupid fucking plot device. Something only an Eqgfag would be foolish enough to think was apt. It's literally just a force that fits whatever niche the plot needs.
>makes character talented
>makes character weak when lost
>makes random monsters appear
>makes character evil
>makes good character strong
>makes holes to another dimension appear
>despite not being understood by anyone (according to you) a highschooler can build a device which can absorb it and said highschooler has a meter to measure it
>want more of that magical energy
It wasn't "want more," it was "i want to destroy everything now" and am evil
>he's willing to defend a movie that is too lazy to even bother to check the noun tense in the script
desu, it's probably projection. I'd imagine a lardass eqgfag would be able to empathize with laziness
Now please explain to me why being unoriginal isn't a bad thing
I'm still confused when I ignored an argument? I mean, you ignore the movie being cliche as a flaw and all of the setting because "the characters matter more!!" which is a pretty sad excuse desu
>>27888096
When did I use plot reduction or summary?
>this is what you're doing to criticize the fucking plot
Look at his post, then look at mine. Then find your brain, you seem to have lost it, but since you're defending eqg I can presume you never had one in the first place.
>You are literally hanging onto the word choice
No, I'm pointing to a 4th grade level tense mistake, something that anyone who gave half a shit would have corrected, Hell, it went through recording and editing.
>fixating on the title of the movie as the basis of the entire plot
You do understand what a title is supposed to do? It's called Friendship is magic because the central theme is friendship and the show revolves around it.
> let's nitpick all three movies for completion's sake and to cover all bases
Nah, I won't bother.
>I wouldn't dismiss an argument.
>>It shows the writers are either incompetent or they just don't care.
>Sure, m8, you just keep grasping at whatever straws you can ;^)
;^)
>>27888225
>bad banter, almost as bad as the movies
Har har, that's the spirit :^)
>Blackmail is illegal. This is a kids show.
>This is a kids show
I've seen people who disliked this argument as the reason why FiM can't deal with more realistic or darker themes.
But besides the case, something being illegal doesn't stop criminals from committing the crime.
>I already broke it down for you
Oh you mean by summarizing the plot? :^)
>it's autism for a movie titled "friendship games" to focus on the actual friendship games
It's autism to assume the title is always going to be indicative of the plot. Take Equestria Games for example; had very little to do with the games and focused on Spike. But judging from your stance so far, I'm sure you must have hated that episode.
>you don't suddenly turn into evil once you have power
How can anyone know for sure? There's that one saying "Absolute power corrupts absolutely". I don't believe it's so farfetched that absorbing that power would drive Twi to want more. And I don't believe she was "unadulterated evil", merely corrupted by her own desire to learn about this magic amplified by absorbing it. And Sunset *was* driven to evil by seeking the power of magic, and I don't think the hm6 were corrupted because they were introduced to it through the purer form of actual friendship magic by pony Twilight. But I could delve into some seriously autistic discussion about magic and its in-universe influence so unless you were up for that kind of ride...
>Oh, I thought
Focusing on the title and a brief glimpse given by the trailer again.
>What the fuck is "power?"
Magic in this instance is the power she absorbed. She was driven by her desire to learn about it and became exposed to it, therefore wanted more. How is this not clear?
(cont.)
>>27888225
There's a few comparisons I'm admittedly fighting the urge to make between EqG and FiM, but I'm sticking to my intent of keeping them separate in this case.
>It wasn't "want more," it was "i want to destroy everything now" and am evil
Not at all, it was "want more" primarily, which she happened to not care if she destroyed everything to get. Her intent wasn't just to destroy. She wanted more magic, more magic was in a different dimension that was blocked off, ergo the only way to get to it was to destroy reality to create that link. It was only a means to an end.
>desu, it's probably projection. I'd imagine a lardass eqgfag would be able to empathize with laziness
Wew lad, really upping the bantz aren't ya?
>>I wouldn't dismiss an argument.
>>>It shows the writers are either incompetent or they just don't care.
>>Sure, m8, you just keep grasping at whatever straws you can ;^)
I'm sorry I dismissed your nitpicking argument, but you are legitimately using a single minute mistake as a major reason to hate the film and I just do not agree with that kind of mindset.
>>27888294
I'm only asking how you perceive these "cliches" and why you might dislike them in this case. Ignoring that FiM also happens to have its share of cliches, but I digress back to not making the comparison. And no where did I say whether characters or settings mattered more, I think you're thinking of a different person.
>When did I use plot reduction or summary?
When you reduced the plot to criticize key points and then summarized the movie to emphasize how it didn't meet your expectations.
>Look at his post, then look at mine
Are you not the same person I've been arguing with throughout this thread? Because we've both been breaking down the plot to point out specific issues.
>You do understand what a title is supposed to do?
You do understand that the events in the movie took place around the Friendship Games? Everything that happened did so during the games.
(cont. again...)
>>27888294
>Nah, I won't bother.
Your loss, I've argued for hours for lesser reasons. This could have been one hell of an autistic spectacle of a battle.
Just for the sake of clarity, how many of these are (You)?
>>27884966
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>>27887898
And a bit off topic but:I happen to know that Wootmaster can get pretty autistic about how much he hates EqG. I'm rather curious if he's the one I've been arguing with for the past several hours.No h8 if that's the case, I promise. This is after all just a bit of friendly 4chan debate. :^)
>>27888380
>why FiM can't deal with more realistic or darker themes.
It's different. A principal shouldn't be blackmailing a student, especially with young and easily impressionable children who are going through early schooling. God forbid some dumb kid things their principal is evil and is going to pressure him/her into doing something and hasbro decides to crack down on the show for that.
>Oh you mean by summarizing the plot?
xD, well meme'd
>It's autism to assume the title is always going to be indicative of the plot
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subtitle_(titling)
>a subtitle is an explanatory or alternate title
It's not necessarily the plot, but the focus. That's what the subtitle does. Should have named it "Equestria Girls: Scilight dicking around"
>Take Equestria Games for example
The difference is the entire episode focused on the Equestria Games; the entire episode took place during/in them. It was central to the plot. 22 minute episode with 20 minutes of the episode taking place in the Friendship games is appropriate.
>"Absolute power corrupts absolutely"
That's a quote, not law and should apply to the hm5 too
>absorbing that power would drive Twi to want more
It's rather strange that someone who didn't even want to take it would suddenly forget the kind acts of before and then become evil
>merely corrupted by her own desire to learn about this magic
Rewatch the scene, she literally attacked the hm5 and Sunset.
>I don't think the hm6 were corrupted because they were introduced to it through the purer form of actual friendship magic by pony Twilight
This is extrapolation, which only supports my prior point that it's poorly explained.
>Focusing on the title and a brief glimpse given by the trailer
Yes, that is what was advertised. That was what was built up and what I expected.
>therefore wanted more
The problem is that she showed no resolve to actually get any prior, she didn't want to take it in the first place. She didn't want to unleash it.
>>27888561
>to destroy reality to create that link
>only a means to an end
Yes, that's pretty much outright "I want to destroy everything now and am evil" evil. She specifically shot at the hm5 and shimmer
>using a single minute mistake as a major reason to hate the film
No, not really, it's just a point that I think demonstrates laziness, a lack of passion, something that should have been caught. It even sounds weird being said, which confuses me as to why the VA didn't stop and contest it.
>why you might dislike them in this case
Because it's pretty much the antithesis of what FiM was. FiM had an expansive lore and lots of allusions, whilst this just drops to a boring high school. I'm a big fan of history, so seeing something as drab as a highschool doesn't excite me at all. It just reminds me of the reasons why I stopped watching tv altogether.
> I think you're thinking of a different person.
Then I am, I replied to several people before.
>reduced the plot to criticize key points
If you're referring to my second post, I just grouped the plot up entirely, not really using summarizing as the point of the argument, which was what i was bitching about earlier.
>summarized the movie to emphasize how it didn't meet your expectations
Not really part of my argument
>around the Friendship Games
Not really, most of it was buildup, then probably ~23 minutes of shit happening during them, then the large resolution. The issue with pacing was that it was such a long buildup and only 14 minutes of actual games
>>27888624
> This could have been one hell of an autistic spectacle of a battle.
It's already there, m8
Just four, the last four are (Me)No, I'm not that niggeralthough sometimes I wish i was
>This is after all just a bit of friendly 4chan debate.
Ofc, just a good 'ol shitposting fest
>>27888795
>although sometimes I wish i was
Well, shit I kind of wish you were too. I've argued with him a few times on similar issues and this would have been sheer pottery.
Whelp, on with the autism I guess:
> A principal shouldn't be blackmailing a student
Basically; bad shit happens in real life. This is a fictional universe that can and should borrow from some realistic elements.
>all that shit about the titling
Everything in the movie happened surrounding the Friendship Games. Either preparing for them as per the first half, or during them such as in the last half.
>and should apply to the hm5 too
Despite being introduced to it via pony Twilight who had better control and understanding of it? I disagree.
>It's rather strange that...
It wasn't that she didn't want to absorb it, despite showing *some* hesitation, but in the end she was being pushed into it and peer pressure and all that. Peer pressure is a thing. And she was eventually influenced by her interactions with the hm5, but it was after the fact of absorbing the magic and admittedly may have been a bit too subtle in how she was actually affected by their friendship.
(bumping for a sec)
>>27888638
>>27888795
>she literally attacked the hm5 and Sunset.
And when told she was destroying reality replied that she didn't care. Clearly she had been enveloped by her desire for more magic, but not so much that seeing Spike wouldn't give her pause. Chalk it up to being in the heat of the moment.
>This is extrapolation
As is pretty much any discussion of magic since realistically it doesn't exist. Our only clues are in the media, and in this case we know pony Twilight is gifted in magic and has activated the elements of harmony and unlocked the magic of friendship before. Therefore would it not be reasonable to assume the others being exposed to it through a method pony Twi did would mean they wouldn't be corrupted by it?
>That was what was built up and what I expected
Clearly must have missed the whole part about human Twi and magic getting out of control. Otherwise, I'm sorry m8 but you bet on the wrong expectations. I try not to expect anything even in the show, because no matter what happens I won't have my lack of expectations let down.
>Yes, that's pretty much outright "I want to destroy everything now and am evil" evil
Again, I disagree because just destroying everything isn't her primary intention.
>Not really, most of it was buildup
Yes it was buildup, for the games. Everything that happened was centered on the games. Hell, Twilight even being there was because of being forced into the games. Her whole plot was hinged on what the title of the movie was.
>It's already there, m8
All me :^)
Sorry for the late second half, real life kicked in for a bit there.
>>27884937
>reasons why Equestria Girls is objectively bad
It takes place in a high school
It has teenage girls in it
They're brightly colored
Bump
A EQG thread deserves to be archived with 500 replies
desu I liked Dazzlings' song more.
>>27884812
All that you really just proved is that it's okay to hate it if it's popular.
>>27884625
and the new Ghostbusters Trailer has the most downvotes of all time, your point?
>>27884930
>>27884625
About what?
>>27890261
>They're brightly colored
DYEWTS?
>>27884933
It has two billion
>>27884625
How much money did that guy earn by just uploading a small piece of the movie? How lucky can one be?
>>27884625
Fuck EQG
>>27884689
94 mil isn't that big of a number anon when Work by Rihanna has 534 mil. And them there is the older more popular songs that have a billion or more views.
>>27884719
Legitimately laughed
>>27885011
Absolutely true. /mlp/ needs to realize this.
>>27896806
Yes but a lot of those songs have mainstream appeal
>>27884966
I remember seeing in an analysis video on the movie that showed a clip of an interview with one of the staff who worked on the first movie saying it was the fandom's fault that Equestria Girls exists due to the fuckton of humanized MLP art found on various sites like DeviantArt. Hasbro just thought that they were giving us what we wanted with Equestria Girls.
>>27884761
>most viewed mlp related video on youtube
pls no
>there are people in this thread right now who dont think welcome to the show is one of the best songs in this franchise
>>27890261
Soooo Doug?
>>27887726
>It's quite literally just becoming evil because of some magical evil substance, which is strange because it didn't make any of the m6 evil
Consuming sodium chloride can be healthy. Consuming pure chlorine is not. I would imagine that absorbing friendship-based magic without any friendship to support it produces a less than pleasant reaction.
>>27898455
Fuck off, shill. Literally everything about EQG is unbearable shit.
>>27899079
This is an example of the potential risks one faces when consuming a diet of pure sodium chloride.
>>27898957
>Implying Doug isn't hot garbage
>>27897160
I really doubt it.
Hasbro wanted in on the doll market and EqG was the way into it.
>>27897301
EqG videos also tend to be moar popular on YouTube than FiM. Just check out the top videos of OPs jewtube or even Hasbro's. Almost all the top spots are EqG
>>27900275
>kys
>>27884625
5 Jimmy neutrons jumping in a bed from kids toys Japan has twice as many views and three times the quality
>>27884625
But Under Our Spell is way better. Why would this be the one with 96,000,000 views?
>>27884625
To be honest, I don't care.
