So, not counting the horrible fan pandering cheap bait, how do you rate the episode?
>>27228845
suicideattemptcryforatteniton/10
>>27228845
Fucked up episode and out of character Twilight with some good moments/10
I have no idea, this episode was weird
>>27228992
>ooc twilight
She hasnt been more in character since before S4
>>27228845
7/10
Mixed feelings, but Trixie was a lot more tolerable than usual and her and Starlight had a genuinely good dynamic.
>>27228845
twilightapologizedtotrixie/10
Trixie episode, so I loved it. The canon suicide was kind of weird. What's weirder is that she came out of the manticore in her normal outfit after going in with a bullet hat. Glimmer was great, loved her joking around about being evil. All the faces were great. The parade of side characters seemed forced.
>>27228845
So, It had a few moments where the johnny test and fan pandering was really showing
But, those amount to 2 minutes from 20ish total. The rest was surprisingly good
>>27229095
everything for the show
>>27228845
9/10 although it looks like /mlp/ gave it an 8/10 so maybe I'm more of a Trixiefag than I thought. Pacing was great and near everyone was in character (even Twilight)
So, the johnny test guy wasnt so terrible. Pacing was well handled and the interactions were great. He did the rubber faces and the pandering, but outside of that, he did beyond my expectations
>>27228845
>fan pandering cheap bait
No commercial or promo talked about Vinyl or Derpy
What are you talking about?
>>27228845
For most parts, it was meh at best. But the ending was honestly great, really surprised at how dark it got.
Didn't like Twilight until the end. Despised Glimmer acting like an autist in the beginning. Fuck the pandering.
>Derpy pandering
Shes just waving at each shot shes in.
>>27229633
Shh, he's new. He's got to meme it up to act like he knows what he's saying.
>>27229564
is this true? I usually rate the episodes above average and I thought it was awful
>>27228992
I thought Twilight was more in character in this episode then I've seen her in a long time.
10/10, it was season 1 quality.
>>27229723
http://www.strawpoll.me/10025847/r
>>27228845
act 1 = 3/10
act 2 = 8/10
act 3 = 6/10
Great episode
>pandering
Shut the fuck up you parrots.
Had cute horses being adorable.
7/10
Did Trixie really fucking threaten Starlight with fucking suicide? Did I really just see that?
Why the fuck is Celestia making that face at Twilight at the dinner party? When has she ever done that before? It's not like she fucking has anything to do anyway. She never does anything. Don't pretend like you do, Sunbutt.
I feel like I was punched in the gut when Vinyl showed up and then Derpy IMMEDIATELY after. Jesus Christ.
Twilight's paranoia didn't seem normal for her at all. I can understand a little bit of untrustworthiness when it comes to Trixie, but fucking maybe she should stop being so goddamn accusatory until shit actually goes the fuck down. We've had multiple episodes about you being a judgemental spastic. You are a goddamn princess now. Fucking stop with that shit.
It's stupid too, because Trixie isn't even a threat anyway. The only reason she was to begin with was because she had an extremely powerful artifact. What could Trixie possibly fucking do this time, Twi?
I mean, it could have went down the road of "Trixie manipulates Starlight into becoming ebil again". But that's more 'season finale' material than '6th episode of the season' material.
The interaction between Trixie and GlimGlam was very nice, and I think it flowed naturally. This honestly seems like a theme now this season, good character interaction. I'm definitely for it.
Why is Starlight constantly bringing up the fact that she was ebil at one point? Stop that.
Trixie.
Trixie.
Trixie.
Trixie/10 needs more Trixie.
>>27228845
Gonna post same rating as I did in another thread
Lets start with a 5/10
+Lesson, everyone learned a little
+Starlight not being Shimmer 2.0
+Stalker Twi
+Subtle suicide attempt
+complex plot
-Celestia being kinda a bitch
-Voice change
8/10
>>27228845
>fan pandering
fuck off
those ponies are known to live in ponyville
>>27228845
Whenever I rate episodes, I always ignore the "pandering" portions of the episodes.
Parts that I liked:
>Celestia, regardless of argument whether she was OOC or not, I still found her amusing
>Trixie
>More GlimGlam
>Twilight being creepy again
Still 5/10, though.
>>27228845
4.5-5/10, I really didn't care for this episode. Celestia's sudden snobbery and cranky doodle were the best part for me. Really disappointing return for Trixie.
>>27228845
meh 6/10
>>27229043
>>27229564
>>27229732
This. Twilight was actually her old autistic and rather relatable self instead of being the paragon of friendship and all things good.
>
Why the fuck is Celestia making that face at Twilight at the dinner party? When has she ever done that before? It's not like she fucking has anything to do anyway. She never does anything. Don't pretend like you do, Sunbutt.
She was likely getting annoyed at the farce Twilight was pulling to save face, but didn't want to call her out on her bullshit despite knowing.
>>27228845
A 7
Twilight was a bitch and she wasn't like the "princess" of friendship that is her title.
>I trust you, you can make friends with anyone
>No, not her
Trixie still a shit character tho, I don't know what trixiefags see in her
>>27230413
>>27230866
there was no va available, that was the best excuse the could come up with to have her in the episode and not make her speak
Dont overthink it
>>27230860
it's the beginning of her transformation
>>27230109
Oh look a glimmerfag thinks its the best episode yet!
>>27230898
>Celestia sits and only expresses mild annoyance.
>Doesn't even walk out of the room or excuse herself
I'd say calling her a snob or going >>27230899's route is "overthinking".
>>27230109
great
>>27230898
>implying Celestia ever gets speaking roles
kek
>>27228845
I didn't find the pandering detracting from how I felt about the episode
>>27230915
What I don't get is that a huge point they focused on in the episode was Celestia teaching Twilight by letting her learn on her own, and yet everyone is wondering why Celestia wasn't helping Twilight. What kind of writing would that be?
>>27230866
You answered your own question. Because Twilight is supposed to be the paragon of friendship being the Princess of it for a while now, but apperently she's not competent enough, and therefore Celestia started questioning her choice.
>>27230965
I wasn't questioning anyone, but I didn't properly quote >>27230413
>>27230965
not the anon you're replying to but he clearly meant to greentext that question and was responding to it.
>>27230413
I agree with you
>>27229904
This is how I felt originally about the episode, but now that I think more about it, the score drops to a 3/10. Why was Tia even apart of this episode? The whole conflict is based solely around Twi being a cunt to Trixie, Adding Tia didn't changed that, it's even worse if what>>27230898 said is true, but for some reason put her in the episode just because.
>>27230900
by your "pandering" logic, any ep that shows a pony in it is pandering by default
they're pandering to twifags for having twi in it
they're pandering to sunfags for having celestia in it
they're pandering to rarafags for having rarity in it
they're pandering to lesbians for having Lyra and Bon Bon standing next to each other
do you fucking see how calling everything pandering is fucking stupid?
muffins and DJ-pone 3 were just walking by when twilight "grabbed" them without a second thought
you don't refuse a princess
Cranky was just sitting there
it was supposed to mean that ANY pony would have been better than Trixie as SG's first friend
it's established that muffins is a klutz
it's established that DJ can't hear with the headphones on
what the fuck constitutes as "pandering" to you fucking retards?
also, the show since S3 (when it was SUPPOSED to have been the end of the series) has been "pandering" to the fandom ever since
The suicide attempt was kind of over the top, the bg character pandering was annoying but ultimately harmless, and I liked the fact that Twilight still has significant character flaws. I liked the character development of Trixie and Starlight, and Celestia getting annoyed was amusing. Overall, a pretty decent episode.
>>27231077
>SUPPOSED to have been the end of the series
[citation needed]
>>27231060
>just because
because the entire episode was fan pandering, everyone wants more celestia, so there's that
>>27228845
everything was terrible except trixie
i havent watched the episode yet so im checking back in 20 tho
>>27230899
never ever
sorry scorpdk
>>27228845
I thought it was okay. Trixie was a little weird around Twilight at the start though.
>>27230866
>>27230965
>>27230933
>Twilight ascended to alicorn-ism because muh friendship lessons
>Celestia is happy her student has come "to fullfill her destiny"
>Princess Twilight becomes the Princess of Friendship
>Twilight fails at friendship
>Celestia is not pleased
>Twilight loses title of being Princess of Friendship
And eventually
>S6 finale confirmed Twilight loses her wings
>>27231233
>that imagel-lewd
>>27231096
cartoon 65 ep trope
MMC was the 65th ep
Twilight becoming an Alicorn
"Yes! Everything’s going to be just fine!" as the last words, meaning it was the finale of the show
the ep was supposed to have been a 2 parter
they renewed the show as S3 finished up production because of the insane popularity
so there was no lul between seasons (EqG doesn't count)
it's so blatantly obvious and the writers, including larson, stated that at the time they wrote it, it was going to be the finale of the show
>>27231233
I liked the little silverware sculpture, it was cute
>>27231233
please stop it with these loss memes
it's getting too old
>>27231300
Shit, I didn't notice until you pointed out.
>>27228845
celestias best role in the show and she didnt speak a single line
>>27228845
On a personal enjoyment level I'd give it a 5/10, It was very meh
Looking at it objectivly it was an easy 7-8/10
Good pacing
Good writing
characters were in character
etc...
>>27228845
Not bad
>>27231060
>Twilight is too distracted by Celestia visiting to teach her student properly
>The lesson is that Twilight needs to let Starlight learn on her own as Celestia did for Twilight
>Celestia did not offer Twilight guidance per the message of the week
Were you just watching for jokes? It seemed blatantly obvious.
>>27228845
post season 1/10
in other words im going to get more porn and thats all the show is good for
10/10 funny throughout, nice ass shots, funny faces and had me chuckling most of the time, also dat ending with Celestia.
>>27230918
powerful episode
Can someone please leave me a link to watch the episode. I didn't get to watch it.
>>27231996
If you're too dumb to know how to find it without our help, why should we spoonfeed you?
>>27232006
Never mind I found it.
>>27230413
>>27228845
The animation was fucking horrible in the first half, meme faces and awkward expressions.
Then it became a decent episode.
>>27231866
And yet that could have been taken out and nothing would have change
I really don't get why people are so fixated on that one bit with Celestia. It's such a minor bit. It's like how people obsessed over the taxi scene in Rarity Takes Manehattan its so minor.
>>27230413
>I feel like I was punched in the gut when Vinyl showed up and then Derpy IMMEDIATELY after. Jesus Christ.
This.
Also
notenoughTrixie/10
9/11 would bang
>>27232680
>the lesson could be taken out and the entire story built around that lesson would have changed
you what
7/10
The dialogue and banter were what I liked most about the episode. Trixie and Starlight's characters played off each other well, and I like how both of them have a sort of sarcastic self-deprecating/joking approach to their pasts that made them communicate well.
The episode was a big opportunity of two characters with shady histories, and it felt pretty satisfying to see Twilight coming around to them.
Even the fan pandering that did happen, I didn't mind so much. Cranky was the only one who really spoke, and the whole 'Nice to meet you' quip that built around DJ Pon3's "not listening to anything around her" gimmick worked.
The only thing in the episode that docked points from my score was the early-middle bit with Starlight bouncing around from set piece to set piece. I'm pretty sure those segments only existed to give other characters more screen time and dialogue, and while I appreciate that, there were a few awkward moments that weren't necessary (Rainbow Dash's shouting faces, the Big Mac talking bit being a little too long and cringingly unamusing).
Altogether, though, there were more good moments than bad, including the resolution.
>>27232767
The lesson was don't be a bitch Tea had nothing to do with that
>>27231250
>I liked the little silverware sculpture, it was cute
It had me laughing my ass off, mostly because I'm playing a 3.5 Kobold modeled on Trixie that did that exact same thing a few months ago.
>>27231077
>muffins
>>27232877
>not using her canon name
>>27232887
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaUbi-7uBDg
Which is "Derpy".
>>27232887
kill yourself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCUT-KHWeec
>>27232920
>>27232930
nah, they retconned it
she is named in the credits as Muffins, so that is her canon name
>>27233012
>Credits are more canon than the show
>>27233036
yes
>>27233036
AJ's face is so perfect in that scene
>>27228845
It was pretty decent, actually.
It had a rocky start, but the pacing was good and Glimmer's interactions were great as usual.
Some people will complain that Twilight was out of character, but her actions aren't that unreasonable considering what might happen if two former villains teamed up together.
I'd give it an 8, overall.
>>27233427
yup
>>27233012
In that same episode, Bon Bon said her name wasn't Bon Bon, but Sweetie Drops. She explicitly said Bon Bon was her fake name for Ponyville, but in the credits she's listed as Bon Bon. Ponies can have multiple names in this show. I like Larson's interpretation that she's Derpy "Muffins" Hooves.
>>27229616
Well, Confalone IS the better of the Johnny Test guys. I'm not sure about everyone's opinions on Party Pooped and Hearthbreakers, but those two are infinitely better than Dusedau's Princess Spike and What About Discord.
>>27233574
And they never call her muffins in the show. But they have called her derpy.
>>27228845
Awesome
Twilight was so fukken cute at times I literally couldn't contain myself
>>27233656
that was removed, so her name is not Derpy
>>27233656
which was quickly redacted, thanks to tumblr.
>>27233672
It was not removed. I'm watching it right now.
>>27233666
Satans got the right idea.
>>27233672
Well, they've never called her "Muffins" either...
>>27228845
In all seriousness what is fan pandering by your definition? Every other line from every other board says "fan pandering" So that is a meme now.
>>27233685
that was the original, that will never be broadcast on tv again. the new version where muffins's voice was changed and her original name removed overwrote that canon.
>>27233692
but it's a canon name in the credits
>>27233685
there are two versions of that ep
you're watching the one that originally aired
if you watch the second and one that is always aired
the second one even had her voice change a little and they derped her eyes less
>>27233704
No it didn't
>>27230413
This, also Trixie and Glimmer are rapidly becoming far more interesting characters than Twilight "Mary Sue" Sparkle
>>27233704
None of the people who write the show see that as her "Canon" name so why should we?
>>27233749
Because what they say don't matter, it's what the owners of the MLP brand says goes. If Hasbro says she's Muffins, then she's Muffins. If they redacted and never used the name Derpy, then it isn't Derpy
>>27231300
Holy shit Anon.
To notice it's a loss meme takes a real expert, I assume you've saw far too many of them in your life.
>>27231392
>characters were in character
Expect Celestia, but it's agreeable.
>Good writing
The ending sucked tho, Trixie threatened Glimglam with suicide, what a great lesson for the target audience.
>>27234111
Celestia didn't really do anything to be out of character. She'd obviously been sitting there with Twilight for a while. After all, the ice sculpture was melting. Anyone with a functioning brain would have been bored out of their minds.
>>27231901
He's not wrong, you know.
>>27228845
Bleah. That has to be one of the more poorly written episodes. Almost everyone was out of character.
>>27231077
Shut up newfag
Using any of the Background 6 is pandering and any catchphrase like "20% cooler"
>>27228845
>show creates characters
>fans use characters in their fan shit
>show is now pandering to those fans whenever they use their own characters they created in the first place
this is some awesome logic. +1
>>27234543
You are retarded if you think that they used Vinyl and Derpy as any other character without intention to wink at the fanbase..
I suggest you return to Equestria Daily.
>>27230413
Go to bed Seth.
Pretty fucking autistic complaints this week. Pretty fucking autistic complaints every week.
Seriously you Sethistos. What's go great about Trixie? She's a fucking bitch and a villain and she always have a grudge against Twilight Sparkle.
>>27234588
And here's the glimfag.
>>27231233
why do they need forks anyway?
>>27231233
All I can see is loss now.
Send Help.
>>27231077
> muffins
pls go
>>27231233
I'm not going to lie, I thought of that meme when I watched the scene. It was in the back of my mind though and I didn't fully realize it until you posted that image. I love how little things like this can be easily missed.
>>27234565
>>27234521
you're the retards for thinking that the show is specifically pandering to the fandom
the characters did nothing new to credit or discredit anything the fandom may have come up with as characterizations for them OR what has been established as canon within the show already
most of the "fanfiction" that come up with their characters are logical and in line with what the show has shown them doing before SoL
the only problem I see is that the show took too long to actually come up with canon personalities for them
the show wasn't supposed to have gone past S3 originally, so why would they bother building up more characters?
the fandom has put them in a situation where they are "damned if they do, and damned if they don't"
would you want Octavia to be completely different than in the Fanon?
by giving her an accent, does it pander to the fandom? no it doesn't
logically, she likes or at least is associated with sophistication and plays classical music. they best way to hit that home outside of her actions of playing her cello, is by giving her a sophisticated sounding accent
it just happens to fall in line with the same logical thinking that the fandom had when building her fanon character up
building more characters up is common in the longer running shows, look at the Simpsons for a prime example
they have literally hundreds of secondary characters because of how long they have been on the air
now that mlp is going to be around for some time, they can build up the secondary and BG ponies
since the theme has been world building, this includes characters, both new and old alike
>>27234611
She's a pretty good character, but I think what would better define me is my ability to not be triggered all the way back to tumblr by the inclusion of particular background horsies.
Why do people keep saying that Trixie threatened Glim with suicide?
Trixie didn't know Glim was even there, so she couldn't have possibly threatened her, at least, not intentionally.
She was just committing suicide to commit suicide
was so cool to see trixie and glimmer together though, i don't know how people who are indiferent on the characters found the ep as naturally i'm going to be biased as all hell as trix and glom are top tier for me, but the only bits i didn't really enjoy were rainbowdash going OTT on the facial exrpresions a bit as it felt a bit jarring (and a bit meme baity) and hearing dj pon 3 said made me cringe a bit, but that might just be my jaded /robot/ instincs making me hate anything internet culture like that being used, but it felt a bit "hello fellow kids". But the basic premise i liked and there were plenty of little touches that really worked for me, like fluttershy being the odd one out a bit, celestias dinner was amusing pretty dang good/10 would have got a Bloody brilliant rating, but it needed more moondancer to unlock that kind of rating XD
Dropping by to say, if you call Celestia "Tia," you should kill yourself. Vent car exhaust into your car, close the garage door, and take a nap.
>>27235260
>not calling her Celes
Faggots amirite
>>27231245
it's canon, anon.
8/10
>>27228845
not bad
7/10
>>27231233
is anon going to get ban for this meme?
>>27228845
>Twilight going full retard and condtradicting herself
>Mute Celestia sitting idle for hours on end because why the fuck not
>Forced pandering
>Trixie switching her behaviour 5 times in 10 minutes
>Fluttershy being scared of animals now because logic
What the fuck was even going on in this episode/10
>>27228845
I would say the ending was a bit predictable, but I was not expecting a suicidal stunt, much less its implications. Her dejected "the show must go on" stage performance really suggests Trixie was BROKEN. Very grim fridge horror sort of thing to think about.
I missed the ending due to power outage, so my initial guess was that Starlight would've gotten distracted at the last second and failed to cast her teleport, leading to an emotional outburst on her part. While the crowd recoils in horror, Trixie would then emerge from the box, smug as ever, and the crowd would go wild since it's implied she escaped without a teleport.
Still, liked how the show did play up Trixie's arrogance and didn't make her the total woobie fans want her to be.
>>27228872
So basically,>>27229043 >Tumblrina/10
>>27230413
>Why is Starlight constantly bringing up the fact that she was ebil at one point?
I actually liked the fact that, instead of everyone else going "NO OFFENSE STARLIGHT" like they did to Sunset in Rainbow Rocks, Starlight poked fun at herself before the others got the chance.
>>27230072
Where exactly would you say each act ends
Act one ends when she meets Trixie but act 2 blends into act 3 a little
>>27230866
>twilight was being her old self
No, she wasn't. Twilight was never a massive cunt before.
>>27230413
>You are a goddamn princess now. Fucking stop with that shit.
This.
I know twilight is meant to be a bit crazy like that but the problem is if you have those episodes now it starts to feel like celestia made a really really poor choice in making her princess.
Otherwise the episode was mostly pretty good
>>27230794
>+Subtle suicide attempt
Yeah "subtle"
>>27236232
I think that it's just the writers trying to push the narrative that "Leaders can have flaws too, nobody's perfect."
In which case, they should tone it down a bit because now it's going to far.
>>27231233
I forget were those bits in order
Did they knowingly put loss in an episode
The second panel does not quite work but the other 3 are pretty daming
>>27232887
Next you will say we should call her djpone3
That to me was the worst part of the episode the scene was good but having to say her name was just grating
>>27233415
>considering what might happen if two former villains teamed up together.
I suppose that's kind of a fair point and it is somewhat what twilight was worried about
>>27234083
It's not hard to see when the panel's are right there anon
>>27233574
>Matilda
Emm... Who is she?
>>27236263
I wouldn't put it passed them. The animators have been known to do these kind of things in the past.
>>27231077
I agree with you that there not pandering but the point wasent to show that any pony would have made a better friend it's to show that twilight thought any pony would make a better friend she was not auctualy right
Plenty of people have criticised you for calling her muffins but I'm also going to point out that you auctualy called her DJ pone 3 which is even worse.
>>27236335
Cranky Doodle Donkey's wife
>>27233868
I'm fairly certain that if he trusted you not to spread it Brian goldner himself would call her derpy.
He probably wouldent particuraly care about the issue but still.
>>27234565
Well yeah they used those characters because there popular.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with giving the children what they want
>>27236287
Vinyl Scratch is her stage name
>>27236263
what the hell is this "loss" everyone keep talking about?
>>27235783
Most of those jokes were alright but the first one was a little off
I can't remember what it was just that it was weak
>>27236251
Or at least have flaws that don't make her completely incapable of rule.
Of course these flaws are in line with what we know about her character and suddenly giving her new flaws would be silly
They really painted themselves into a corner with magical mystery cure.
>Twilight says not to trust Trixie
>Starlight gets mad at her for not forgiving her
>Turns out Trixie just wanted to be friends with Starlight to make Twilight jealous
>Twilight was actually right all along
What was the lesson supposed to be from this?
>>27236462
Unicorns > Mud Ponies
At least that's what I got out of the episode...
>>27236418
Wouldent it make far more sense for djpone3 to be her stage name and vinyl scratch her real name
As for loss
http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20080602
>>27236418
>what the hell is this "loss" everyone keep talking about?
I'm assuming this is bait, but I'll bite it anyway. This image is the source image.
>>27228845
8/10 because Trixie was basically committing suicide if Starlight didnt save her
>>27228845
7/10
Trixie and Starlight had some lovely interaction, and I really liked how unpredictable Trixie ended up being. It suits a showpony with villainous tendencies like her very well.
Twilight was great too, it's rare to see her in this state after S2.
Animation was a bit shit, I don't like the team that does all these close-ups of stupid faces all the time, but on the other hand there were no hand-hooves at all.
>>27236418
>Vinyl Scratch is her stage name
>Implying some one would name their child's legitimate birth name "dj-pon3"
Nigger that doesn't even sound appropriate in Equestria.
>>27236535
Hey, some people just aren't cut out for parenthood.
>>27231233
You have got to be fucking kidding me with this image.
God dammit my sides are gone.
>>27236499
I've seen it before, didn't know what it was called
anyway, other than the images >>27231233 arranged as 4 panels, I don't see the connection to the "loss" meme
I see her arranging the utensils in >>27234791 manner
showing that she has some upper class knowledge
>>27236811
People like to see loss wherever they can that's most of the joke the fact it's rarely intentional
>>27228845
Really hard for me to like an episode when the two main characters i don't give a shit about.
Although i found it funny how the character almost universally panned (Angel the bunny) was seemingly in love with the pats given by a character i have no love for.
GlimGlam x Angelbunny is new ship.
>>27236947
>GlimGlam x Angelbunny
With all these ships, we could have a fleet.
With a fleet of ships we could take over Equestria.
The plan is flawless.
>>27228845
Excellent episode, loved the awkward situation everyone was put in because of Trixie, loved the interaction between Trixie and Starlight, I liked Twilight being a bit more of her original self, everything was adorable, for me easily one of the top10 pone episodes.
Wasn't the fan of Vinyl being called DJ Pone-Three by Twi (just doesn't sound right at all), didn't like Rainbow's stupid face. Also Trixie basically killing herself because she lost Starlight was a bit on the extreme side.
9/10 all day long, gotta love it.
>>27237095
Oh yeah, loved Sunbutt's reactions as well, the show needs more of her.
7.77/10
Could have been a sold 9/10 episode with about 5 extra minutes of characterization, but I understand the were already rushing with the episode as it was to get everything in.
>>27231233
You cheeki fuck
>>27233868
Disney pls.
>>27231233
Every time
>>27231233
These get me every time
>>27231931
powerful?
>>27230037
>http://www.strawpoll.me/10025847/r
>No meme answer saying 'Go to bed Seth/10'
Dropped
>>27228845
In the beginning and throughout the middle, the characters actually demonstrated definable personalities and realistic interactions, as opposed to the one-note personalities we've had up until this point. I thought Trixie interacting with Starlight was great.
The fan pandering really made me cringe though. I'm not sure why they insisted on shoehorning Cranky in, is he really such a popular character? (Maybe I just missed all the Cranky fanfics)
The ending was strange. Trixie's self flagellating monologue, her monotone voice, and her willingness to kill herself. Then of course there was Twilight who, it seems, wasn't going to help Trixie if Starlight didn't do it. I feel like the episode really took a nosedive here. Things just felt....really weird
And Twilight saying "I couldn't have pulled that off"....what bullshit is that?
>>27228845
10/10
>>27228845
A solid 9/10 What a great episode, starlight and trixie characterization throughout the whole episode was fantastic, twilight characterization may seemed a little off but now i understand why she acted like this, if you put two people who did bad things in the past alone together wouldn't you be a little worried she acutely says so indirectly in the episode, that just show that she isn't perfect.
A lot of people seem to complain about how celestia acted in the episode but really she isn't that important in this episode, what your doing is nitpicking.
MLP is still going strong, i think why some people don't like this episode is because this is really a starlight episode, you need to realize that the old character are developed enough, there might be some more for them but for now we need new characters.
>>27239866
t. Hasdrone
>>27239395
>The fan pandering really made me cringe though. I'm not sure why they insisted on shoehorning Cranky in, is he really such a popular character?
Cranky among others were there because it WASN'T fan pandering.
>And Twilight saying "I couldn't have pulled that off"....what bullshit is that?
Twilight is a magician, not a showpony.
>>27231233
3rd panel is fake.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMpVXYMwKdg (at the 7:54 mark)
>>27239882
t. Faustfag
>>27228845
But the cheap fan pander bait was part of the episode
What could have been a good 8/10 episode or more, was ruined by a few minutes of horrible shoehorning brony bait that broke the inmersion of a good episode, and reminded you what kind of people watch the same show, the guys who thought it was god because of the SoL bullshit
>>27241481
What even was the fan pander bait? No one seems to be able to answer, it's seemingly just a meme that gets parroted around.
>>27241949
It mainly has to do with the fact that they could've drawn up random background ponies to do the same thing Derpy, DJ, and Cranky did
>>27241996
Maybe they did? And the roll landed on those three? Cranky is about as far away from a fan-favorite you can get.
Would you have the same response if the ponies were Aloe & Lotus, Bulk Biceps and Nurse Redheart? A lot of people would.
>>27242046
True, but again why not draw up three random background ponies? You can even have someone in studio voice a male stallion to slip in that hair gag at the end.
>>27231233
Jesus fucking Christ.
>>27241996
They used the name DJ-Pon3 in the voice acting reel though, which is done well before animators get their hands on it, unless Storyboarders made the choice without input from the writers. The fact that they include a visual gag with Cranky's hair suggests it was all written beforehand. Hell, Derpy is seen eating muffins with Celestia. None of it points to these being "clumsy pegasus BG character", "cool unicorn BG pony", and "grumpy bird-feeding BG pony".
>>27242114
You mean as in completely random? "Spin the color wheel, that's the coat, spin another wheel to find a complementing mane" style of deal?
Why would you draw up three random background ponies when perfectly suitable background characters exist? Only so they can fan-pander bait you instead of someone else?Yes, I'm being facetious.
When you have semi-established characters, it makes sense to use them from a storytelling perspective. Every time we see or learn a little more about these characters the setting grows, it reminds us that Cranky, Vinyl and Ms. Muffin also all live in Ponyville.
>>27242145
The whole point of bringing Cranky,DJ, and Derpy was to show that Glam had no friends to begin with. Anyone but the Mane6 could've filled this role regardless of what trope they filled visually, and since none of them, but Cranky it's made even worse, and they could've used what ever they wanted, but chose two ponies and a donkey that the fandom likes instead.
>>27242220
Spoke*
>>27242195
That doesn't changed the fact that anyone could have filled their role, and, nothing would change
>>27228845
Average overall.
Below average for season.
Meh
Suicide Attempt
>>27242220
I'm not really complaining. They worked fine, and the joke at the end of the episode with Cranky asking about Celestia's hair effect was pretty funny. I'm just saying that it was definitely not written to house random background ponies for the animators to go nuts with. It was definitely intended from the get-go to be Derpy, Cranky, and Vinyl (probably by Hasbro exec demand)
>>27233645
Opinion on Party Pooped is usually "disgusting" to "meh." People tend to look favorably on Hearthbreakers, though.
>>27242261
I don't really care about the pandering either (I thought Derpy was cute) but I can see why people cry fan pandering as a bad thing in the episode.
>>27242231
>That doesn't changed the fact that anyone could have filled their role, and, nothing would change
So because they used three random ponies instead of three OTHER random ponies, it's fan pandering?
>>27242309
It can sometimes seem like a cheap tactic to get people to like an episode over the plot, but in this case it was just whipped cream on a decently sweet episode. If the episode was bad it would definitely feel like cheap pandering, but since the episode was pretty nice, it was pleasant. Some overly cute Derpy and a name drop for DJ Pon3. In a way, it might even be meta, because Twilight's trying her absolute best to find a pony to replace Trixie as Starlight's friend, and so she picks ponies that are beloved by pretty much everybody, and then Cranky to balance it out a bit.
>>27230413
>Did Trixie really fucking threaten Starlight with fucking suicide? Did I really just see that?
No, she's just so insecure that she would rather risk a very likely death than disappoint her fans. Remember that this was her big "I'm sorry" show for Ponyville.
She was just being super reckless due to bad-priorities and a history of coasting by on her ego. All she knew was that "the show must go on."
>>27230413
>Why is Starlight constantly bringing up the fact that she was ebil at one point? Stop that.
Calling her past self "evil" is just a way of trying to move on, and refusing to make excuses for herself. When you start trying to justify the ways in which your former self wasn't all that bad, you're risking a relapse.
I mean, hell, Luna created the Tantabus to make sure she suffered thoroughly. Starlight calling herself "evil" isn't much of a stretch.
>>27242334
They're the two most popular breakout characters, so that's pretty obvious. The argument shouldn't be whether it is or isn't a shout-out to the fans, but whether the shout-out was or wasn't tacky.
Personally, I wasn't offended by it. It stuck out a lot, but I think that as a relatively new writer, Confalone's just trying to build some goodwill with the fans.
>>27242372
>In a way, it might even be meta
This is actually a good point, and one that I hadn't considered.
>>27229633
>Vinyl or Derpy
You mean DJ Pone Three and Muffins.
>>27230413
I didn't really interpret the suicide attempt as a way to threaten her.
I interpreted it as Trixie felt so defeated after losing her only friend and everything she has been through she no longer cares about living.
Not really a para-suicide since she wasn't expecting to make it. She just wanted to end it at that point.
GOD DAMNIT.
STARLIGHT SPENT THE ENTIRE FUCKING EPISODE MAKING JOKES THAT SHE WAS A VILLAIN. YES WE FUCKING GET IT STOP REPEATING THE SAME SHIT
>>27236825
You wot. It's almost always intentional. The joke is 1) trying to reduce it to the most basic, minimalist thing possible, and 2) hiding it somewhere unassuming in creative ways.
>>27236811
See above. It's basically a "when you see it" thing. A repeating sequence that's easily encoded in pictures, so it mutates into tons of different variations. A meme in its most basic form.
>>27242475
Really? I like that, a lot. The show could use more darker comedy like that. Hell, I'd love to see an entire episode of her and Trixie half-joking about their past.
>>27242476
The screencap ITT is obviously intentional, seeing as it's shopped.
>>27242334
Someone doesn't know who Derpy or DJ is, or Didn't watch SoL. Take your pick
>>27242734
I mean it's fine, when appropriate, but it felt forced 3/4 times she did it within a span of 10 minutes.
It's kind of like how 9/11 is funny when used in the right context, but even North Korea would kill you if you kept doing things like:
>"So Anon, how are you doing?"
"Better than the WTC LOL!!"
>"Hey anon, can you help me with this nuclear warhead?"
"As long as you don't run a suicide plane into ME LOL!!!!"
>"Anon, can you pass the rice?"
"Okay, but don't expect me to pass it on a plane...I might get distracted and RUN INTO TWO TOWERS LOOOOOOLLOL XdDDD"
>>27242792
Oh I know perfectly well, I'm on the level of autism where I can name maybe 1/3rd of the truly background ponies.
But there are at least a dozen background ponies who are as distinguished as Derpy and Vinyl, many of which would have fit the bill just as nicely and no doubt evoked the same reactions.
>>27242863
And yet you deny that it's fan pandering? And no there isn't that many background ponies with the same amount of fans as Derpy or DJ.
>>27242951
Why are you so hellbent on those two when Cranky was among them, and even had a line? Stop cherrypicking your facts.
Octavia
Bulk Biceps
Aloe & Lotus
Fleur de Lis (and Fancy Pants)
Berry Punch
Donut Joe
Blueblood (would probably make the least amount of sense)
Lyra & Bon Bon
>>27242863
>Derpy and Vinyl
See >>27242426
>>27243060
Okay then how about every single recolor that doesn't have names, or fans? you named 11 background ponies with a fandom, I name an untold amount that doesn't even have one. My point still is they could have used a completely new background pony and nothing would have changed.
>>27240762
Awww...
>>27242951
>there isn't that many background ponies with the same amount of fans as Derpy or DJ
>>27243236
>My point still is they could have used a completely new background pony and nothing would have changed.
That's a stupid point to make, what would have changed is our understanding of Equestria.
Remember back when when people thought Vinyl lived in Canterlot? That's clearly not the case, she's a personality, an actual character, who lives in Ponyville. Every character that remains consistent gives us a better understanding of the setting, that's good storytelling.
It makes no sense to use throwaway characters when you have established ones, rather than pander to you they used ponies we know of and have seen before.
>>27243335
You're stupid, that has nothing to do with the fact that your claim was incorrect.
>>27243376
Noone ever thought Vinyl lived in Canterlot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sob1t-iUCmE
>>27243385
Expect it does. just because you can name 13 background ponies with a fandom doesn't override the untold amounts that don't
>>27243395
Nice nitpicking. Also you're wrong, there were long debates regarding both her and Octavia.
>>27243440
And? it still shows them in Ponyville not Canterlot, and long before SoL was even a thing.
>>27228845
Was a little bothered by Trixie's voice.
Trixie's behaviour was too suspicious for someone who genuinely wanted to repent after the whole Amulet-business.
But Twilight was also too quick to jump to the conclusion that Trixie was still bad (especially when remembering Trixie's apology at the end of Magic Duel).
Those two just behaved weirdly in this episode.
Was confused by how it seemed to be implied that Starlight wouldn't save Trixie unless they were technically friends.
Liked how Starlight joked about being an evil tyrant in the past.
Celestia was amusing, even if she behaved strangely for someone like her.
>>27243416
No it doesn't, retard. You said
>there isn't that many background ponies with the same amount of fans as Derpy or DJ
and I called you out on your bullshit. I don't know what you think we're arguing about, but clearly you're confused.
>>27243592
So every single background pony recolor has the same amount of fans as
Octavia
Bulk Biceps
Aloe & Lotus
Fleur de Lis (and Fancy Pants)
Berry Punch
Donut Joe
Blueblood (would probably make the least amount of sense)
Lyra & Bon Bon
Derpy and DJ
No, no they do not and my "Bullshit" sill stands
>>27243632
Can you not read? Is that what's going on?
Yo dumbass, I haven't said a single thing about your background pony recolors.
>>27243658
>there isn't that many background ponies with the same amount of fans as Derpy or DJ
Is what you're trying to shoot down, but you keep making the mistake over and over again. Every single pony in this show has a recolor and those recolors ARE background ponies.
>>27243686
How about you go back and look REALLY hard at >>27243332 again, yeah?
>>27228845
bit late here but I'll rate it
+reformed starlight forming her own personality it was good development
+portrayal of trixie and development were good as well
+twlight being an imperfect
+some notable new bgms
-twilight being an idiot
-they used vinyl again there's a lot of good background ponies are out there but why her? it wasn't even funny
-pretty bad massage
-some of early scene feel unnecessary(sg&rara, sg&dash)
and no I don't think celestia was ooc in this episode so no minus point for that I watched it only one I'll rewatch it later but for now it's
7.5/10 for me
>>27243695
And you did it again. Do you not understand what a background character is? It's someone whose just there to fill space on screen. Meaning every single recolor is a background pony, and with all those recolors that exist there isn't that many fans for them.
>>27243766
You're really retarded if you are just unable to get what I'm saying. Here, let me say it flat out for you. Octavia is as popular as DJ Pon3 and Derpy.
Is that hard to understand? No, you're just retarded.
>>27243757
+good dynamics between SG and other ponies
I forgot about this one
>>27243806
And you still fail to understand. you can name 13 with a fan base, and yet I can name untold amounts that don't. Just because Octavia has a large enough fandom for a background pony doesn't mean Sea Swirl (http://mlp.wikia.com/wiki/Sea_Swirl) has the same amount of fans
>>27243757
>+some notable new bgms
Weird, I can't remember any and usually I like most BGMs.
>>27243831
Would you fuck off already? I don't know what the fuck you think you're doing, I'm not arguing anything about any other background pony other than the only one I mentioned.
PLEASE fuck off, retard.
>>27228992
>out of character Twilight
Just get the fuck out
>>27243879
>>there isn't that many background ponies
>isn't that many
>that many
>many
Octavia is a background pony yes, she also has a large fan base, but here's the thing who cares. she 1 of 13 background ponies that has a fan base, but those 13 are not the many they are the minority in a sea of background characters that don't have one. that is my point that you fail to understand.
>>27243958
>you fail to understand
Nice projection there. YOU seem to not understand that I just mentioned one.
>B-but one isn't many!
I don't fucking care, I'm not trying to disprove that, I'm saying that Octavia is fucking rad. Get that through your retarded skull and fuck off already.
>>27242475
I think it was just fine. Much better than forgetting the fact that she did enslave a village and did other weird shit.
>>27243499
It's important to flesh out background characters like Octavia and Vinyl, more important than it is to flesh out faceless ponies in a crowd. That's why they went with Cranky, Vinyl and Derpy, three out of over a dozen interchangeable background ponies with established roles that could have fit the scene.
>>27244331
This.
Also, since when did it become a sin that they are trying to please us, the fandom? It's a win-win situation.
I seriously think sometimes people are beyond retarded here.
>>27244331
But they didn't do any thing with them. Two sat there quietly, while one cracked a joke. There was nothing flushed out about them.
>>27245042
There is nothing wrong with fan pandering hell if you ever play Hyrule Warriors is full of fan service, and is a Zelda fan's wet dream. But you can tell when fan pandering is good, or bad just by how well it was handle. HW Does a lot of things with it's fan service (bring back crowd favorites, remixes of original music, the opening the chest melody, everyone has a fun and unique play style etc.) But what did this episode do with Derpy, DJ, and Cranky? Derpy crashed into things and ate muffins (something she has been ding forever) DJ Head banged, and listened to music(once again something she has been doing forever) and Cranky was the sarcastic wise cracker(one again same thing as before) Nothing changes by adding, or taking these three out, and you know they are there just to say "Hey guys we didn't forget about them" that's why it's a problem for some, but on a different side, them just being who they are wasn't enough to bother others. Note I don't care that those three was there, but you can't say that their roles couldn't be filled by someone else just as non important as those three, and deny that they are there just to get a smile out of those that like them.
>>27245244
Vinyl is a friend not only of Pinkie, but Twilight knows her as well. This is new.
>>27245244
They could be filled, but in my (how naive) interpretation, they just chose them to use some characters who people already know, and maybe give them a little extra enjoyment compared to using noname characters.
My point is nobody lost because of it, so I'm grateful for them trying to go the extra mile to bring more smiles to some fans.
This arguing over pandering is fucking ridiculous shut the fuck up and just rate the episode
>>27245290
And there is nothing wrong with them wanting to give a nod to the fans, But to some them just being there is a problem is all I'm trying to say.
>>27245277
You can book a famous musician for your daughter's sweet 16, doesn't mean you know them personally.
>>27245371
I already did rate the episode, I gave it a 3/10 base on how bad the plot was handle and how much potential was wasted.
>the manticore mouth dive
are they pandering to vore people?
>>27228845
did Trixie have a new voice actor? Sounded fucking dreadful
>>27228845
On one hand, the main story with Twilight, Starlight, and Trixie was handled well. I think this is the best portrayal of Trixie we've seen yet. On the other hand, there were times I couldn't help thinking it was trying too hard. Big Mac's scene, for example- I think jokes about how little he talks are getting played out at this point. While Vinyl showing up was funny at first, it didn't make much sense, and the name "DJ PON-3" just sounds awkward when spelled out like that. I think it would have been better to use a different character like Moondancer and let Derpy's appearance fill the quota for background pony jokes.
Overall, it was a solid episode. I only wish its few flaws hadn't been so hard to ignore.
>>27245864
Nah, same actress as always, Kathleen Barr
>>27245993
Well time to murder the voice director.
>>27246104
3 seasons too late desu
>>27239260
>ASU
noice
howdoyougetyourhairtodothatallthetime/10
>>27245935
Moondancer kinda lives in Canterlot. But otherwise, I agree with your assessment.
There were some sweet points in the episode, but overall everyone other than Starlight Glimmer is fucking shit. I fucking hate it. What is this. What is this garbage. Holy fuck why does everyone suck. Twilight treats everyone like shit, Celestia is a dick to Twilight, Trixie is a shit again for no reason other than to push a plot, there are quiet a few closeups that look awful, Fluttershy is afraid of the manticore. I'm typing this while I'm watching and the hot shit just keeps fucking coming. The moral really is good, but it wrecks characters in name of the lesson which is why it still ends up feeling like shit. Remember when the writers watched 0 of the show prior to picking it up? I sure do. Somehow they just continue to outdo themselves. Why the fuck is Celestia such a dick when she has been shown to be lighthearted and kind to all of her kingdoms residents? WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS SHOW!
>>27228845
super cute, yet lacking a bit in the story/10
>>27246661
That was great.
All the impatient Cellybeans stuff was great.
>>27228845
8/10 got sperglord twilight back
>>27229043
I must have seen a different Season 4 then.
>>27245525
Oh well, I guess some people choose to be cynical about it. I can understand, since I am the same when it comes to anime, after more than a decade I started to get hung up over everything I can find, and hate them now with a few exceptions.
Thankfully, that haven't occurred to me regarding to MLP. Though I can understand some of >>27248556 frustrations.
