Was EqG a mistake ultimately, or did it provide anything to the franchise? Indirectly it actually helped to give Hasbro the biggest win the toy industry had seen in decades: Disney licenses moving from Mattel to them.
Basically Hasbro made EqG, Mattel, who was already making the line EqG was responding to, had to do something. They made a spinoff line involving more magical stuff including public domain fairy tales and monsters. This made Disney incredibly pissed, among other things. Then they offered all of their franchises to Hasbro.
EqG sales might be declining, but ultimately they did help Hasbro get Disney stuff. Not too sure about its future past EqG 4 though. Guardians of Harmony might be getting the EqG-style movie treatment. Animation wise that series might just slip to those EqG Mini shorts. What do you think of all of this, /mlp/?
Yes, it was a mistake.
I like this horse and want to see her return home.
>>26812925
See well, I think she would be better off through the mirror. That place needs all the help it can get.
And in a meta context, she was replaced by Starlight Glimmer.
>>26812925
Thank Allah Hasbro knows better than to introduce a shitty character into a superior serioes.
IIRC the new mini line rose sales for EG up. They were selling not as well last year but now they're doing good.
>>26812972
They really should have done EqG Mini from the start. The dolls never looked good and still don't. Friendship Games sold like shit.
>>26812955
She's done better too.
>>26812586
All EQG did was put a ton of non-pone shit on our board
>>26813239
>Who is Anon
>>26812586
It should've never existed.
>>26812586
>caring about corporate politics in show discussion
Cease and desist.
Rainbow Rocks was fine, but a few good songs and a single coherent plot don't justify two other movies, both of which are irredeemable shit.
>>26814689
Corporate politics are why EqG existed to begin wtih.
>>26814915
They shouldn't factor in when we talk about quality.
>>26814958
They are inseparable. The only statement on quality that is really relevant is what you said about Rainbow Rocks being decent. I agree with you that the others are shit.
It's just like, five or ten years from now, will EqG even be remembered as a thing? FiM will be. I think in the very, very long run people will be incredibly confused as to what Hasbro was doing.
>>26812955
She's the best character in the franchise tbqhfam
The staff realized that and then tried to make a clone of her
>>26814689
>Rainbow Rocks
>better than Friendship Games
Rainbow Rocks was meh at best while Friendship Games didn't have to rely on Ingram's halfassed popshit and autistic brony memes
It had much better writing both plot-wise and character-wise, with the main cast being written more in-character than they have been for nearly three seasons and displaying the growth of Sunset Shimmer over the course of the series that could only have been made better if Hasjew didn't cut the scenes that would've brought a little light towards her opinion on returning
>>26815062
>""""people"""" actual believe this
You make me want to die, my body is full to the brim with disgust just because I read those words. The worst contact high imaginable.
>>26812586
I don't really care for it but I don't mind that it exists and I'm tired of people still bitching about it.
I find it pretty ironic that a board that exists solely as a refuge / prison for a show that people were mad that people were posting about it in one place gets so mad about people posting about a show related to it in its place. Like, do you not even see the irony.
>>26815062
>>26815062
Friendship Games was fucking terrible, what are you talking about? The songs were bad, the "antagonists" barely existed at all and it was basically just EqG 1 again.
>>26815095
Do you think that there will be a similar reaction if/when there's another spinoff movie series? Or if it's pony will it be less divisive?
>>26815121
I think a different spinoff show is more likely and I'm sure some people will hate it regardless.
>>26815062
Your right about shimer but the plot is a whole other story.
It's not so much the plot that's the problem as the framing the games themselves made no fucking sense.
>>26815062
>plot-wise
Outright, no. The pacing was god awful, so much buildup for like three events which were rushed away in a short song.
>character-wise
>push-over sunset until she had one, token display of anger (which she apologized for immediately)
>half of the villain cast didn't get more than a line or anything special at all
>sci-twi is evil for no reason and it wasn't even hinted at
> displaying the growth of Sunset Shimmer
>be a massive cunt
>"oh noes I'm so srry i just want frond :(((("
>"i was a massive cunt and brainwashed everyone."
>"why doesn't everyone love me and want to make friends"
>"pity me"
Sunsetfags are somehow more retarded than dashfags, more autistic than twifags, and have worse taste than ponkfags.
>the scenes that would've brought a little light towards her opinion on returning
no one cares about cut extras, those don't exist as far as the EqG timeline goes.
And those are just the outright flaws, there is still a plethora of more
>>26815135
Considering that it was already confirmed in some mattermaybe coming out this year or early nextwe'll get to see how it turns out.
>>26815145
Don't try to argue with the people who really like FG, though nearly all of them hate the games itself. I don't think it was particularly good even without them though.
>>26812586
>Basically Hasbro made EqG, Mattel, who was already making the line EqG was responding to, had to do something. They made a spinoff line involving more magical stuff including public domain fairy tales and monsters. This made Disney incredibly pissed, among other things. Then they offered all of their franchises to Hasbro.
Could you elaborate on this I assume it has something to do with Disney's tendency to act like they have the rights to fairy tales.
>>26815108
It was nothing at all like EqG 1 you fucking idiot
The first movie was absolutely fucking nothing but high school bullshit that only detracted from the interesting part of the story and had no relevance at all
At least the last two movies are about specific events that can generate even a minute amount of intrigue and not just "oh no muh social life and bullying ;_;"
>>26815145
Let's not downplay this, every single technical aspect of the plot was incoherent nonsense.
>>26815010
She's most definitely not, she's terribly bland now and her color scheme and design makes her look like an OC (well, her pony design, but at least that will never be used again). Her reformation was some of the most atrocious writing we've seen in the franchise.
>>26815181
>le ebin action and adventure
>who needs shitty "slice of life" stories anyway?
The world would be a better place without you.
>>26815178
That's exactly what it was. Mattel made fairy tale dolls (in response to EqG existing), Disney got pissed, Disney gave their licenses to Hasbro.
>>26815181
As opposed to two movies of "wah wah, people still won't get over me brainwashing them?"
>>26815199As much shit as Glimmer's moitvations for her plans get, I have to say that they're a million times smarter than Sunset's. Sunset was impulsive and impatient and gave up a life that she could have had made. Glimmer had nothing, and dedicated her entire life to getting back at what she perceived did her the most wrong. She still has weak motivations but compared to Sunset holy shit.
>>26815156
>push-over Sunset
LMAO
Sunset was never a pushover in this movie
Like at all
She was working her ass off all throughout the movie and blew up whenever she was ticked her off whether it be directed towards the m6, SciTwi, or when she's alone
She also didn't apologize to SciTwi a single time on-screen did you even fucking watch the movie, family?
>half of the villain cast didn't get more than a line or anything special at all
Who fucking cares; they weren't even villians in the first place and were hardly meant to be anything more than background characters
The real villain was Twilight and Cinch to a lesser extent, who each got plenty of dialogue
>sci-twi is evil for no reason and it wasn't even hinted at
This pretty much confirmed you didn't watch
She was evil for the same reason that Sunset suddenly went apeshit and homicidal when she turned into a demon; the magic corrupts her and brought her desire to the forefront of her mind
Or to put it in simpler terms for you: she wanted to study magic so when she transformed she sought to get more magic no matter what
>"oh noes I'm so srry i just want frond :(((("
WEEEEW LAD
Not only did you not watch FG but you didn't watch the first movie either
Sunset never wanted friends when she was the toppest cunt; she wanted power and rule over Equestria
Twilight merely offered her friendship from the M6 and she accepted
>"why doesn't everyone love me and want to make friends"
>"pity me"
Except that's literally the exact opposite of what her mindset was familia
She said that she knew she was a bad person and wanted to change and for people to understand that she was making the effort to do so
>>26815245
shimmerfags overrate sunset shimmer too much, she's a mediocre character
>>26815199
She absolutely is and your blatant bias and denial are humorous to watch
Funny how in 2013 and 2014 everyone on /mlp/ was saying that Sunset's color scheme and design was fantastic, but when she became popular everyone quickly shifted their opinions in order to uphold their contrarian ideologies
And her reformation is the greatest character development any character in MLP has gotten
Nearly every character of the main cast has been flanderized to shells of what they used to be (except for Rarity; she's still good and has gone through a lot that's expanded upon her depth when dealing with issues related to her business ventures)
>>26815410
Nah, she's always had a really shitty design.
>He's a Rarifag too
Not a big surprise, nor that you absolutely had to bring it up.
>>26815278
Please spend more time typing out this apologia that no one will read. The longer you're doing that, the less your words can taint this thread with it's cancer.
>>26815436
Oh I'm sorry for hurting your poor little head with my refutations
Post that have even the slightest bit of effort put into them must be tough for your tiny brony brain to process
>>26815278
>Sunset was never a pushover in this movie
She appoligized in just about every single fucking scene. It was so horribly grating I was tempted to just ignore her entirely.
>did you even fucking watch the movie
You need to rewatch the movie
>Who fucking cares
Don't put a character there if you're not going to do anything with them. What the fuck was the point of the little intro video showcasing them if they were just going to be sidelined? It was advertised as Shadowbolts vs. Wondercolts.
>the magic corrupts her
She didn't even want to absorb their magic.
>Not only did you not watch FG but you didn't watch the first movie either
I wish I didn't. And I was referring to the second and her "redemption"
>Except that's literally the exact opposite of what her mindset was familia
Then what the fuck was the point in dwelling on her sadness then? She shouldn't have been sad at fucking all if she realized it was solely her fault. Unless you're saying she's a fucking retard who can't own up to her own actions
I enjoy that your only retort was saying that I didn't watch the movies, as if that's the only way to defend such undeniable pieces of shit. Also, you type like a sporadic autist.
>>26815436
stop responding to the troll.
>>26815490
>She appoligized in just about every single fucking scene. It was so horribly grating I was tempted to just ignore her entirely
Apparently you did anyway because that's wrong, you fucking retard
Btw lad, apologizing doesn't make someone a pushover
It's not like she was forced to apologize, she make the decision to do so
>You need to rewatch the movie
Okay, we can do it together ^:)
>Don't put a character there if you're not going to do anything with them
So we should remove all background ponies from FiM? Wouldn't that make scenes seem dead and the world uninhabited?
>What the fuck was the point of the little intro video showcasing them if they were just going to be sidelined? It was advertised as Shadowbolts vs. Wondercolts.
And there was a competition between the two groups in the movie; it just wasn't the main focus
>She didn't even want to absorb their magic.
Nigga that was literally the reason that she built the device and took it to the school and then agreed to unleash the magic when Cinch told her to
>I wish I didn't. And I was referring to the second and her "redemption"
Well she never said that she wanted friends as a top cunt in the second movie either
Not sure what you're getting at
>Then what the fuck was the point in dwelling on her sadness then? She shouldn't have been sad at fucking all if she realized it was solely her fault. Unless you're saying she's a fucking retard who can't own up to her own actions
It was meant to show that she was alone
The Rainbooms barely considered her their friend and more like their responsibility; they didn't invite her to join their band but as soon as their actual friend Twilight showed up they did so immediately
And she did own up to her actions in literally the second scene that she was in but you obviously don't care enough to remember
You clearly didn't watch the movies enough to remember the details of them and then act as if you're an expert on the subject whose opinions can never be questioned
>>26815010
KEK
Who gives a shit what you think about it? Sunshit is non-canon and that's all that matters. As for the clone comment it's still to early to tell.
>>26815601
Unleash the Magic's entire point was that Twilight was unwilling to do so. She didn't want to release the magic.
>>26815636
>Who gives a shit what you think about it? Sunshit is non-canon and that's all that matters.
Of course your kneejerk reaction is to immediately ignore what I said and to insert your hot opinion
It's an objective fact that Starlight Glimmer is a blatant fucking copy of Sunset Shimmer
It doesn't matter if she's non-canon (she is canon actually tbqh) because the staff used her as source material for Starlight
>>26815675
>Imagine all I'll learn by setting it free
>And what doors might open if I try to use it
>But the magic's what I really want to see
Sounds like she was willing to me
>>26815678
And like things that come after other things, Starlight is better than Sunset because mistakes made with her were not repeated with Starlight.
>>26815697
Only at the end.
>>26815410
Jesus, this much delusional has to be bait. This is why people shit on shimmerfags
>>26815725
this much delusion*
>>26815601
>It's not like she was forced to apologize, she make the decision to do so
So she's fluttershy 2.0:^)
>So we should remove all background ponies from FiM
Re-watch the advertisements you idiot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p13g5WR6CVQ
Cinch wasn't even shown
>Nigga that was literally the reason that she built the device and took it to the school
She didn't want to release the magic, you know, what made her evil. She had no initial intention to steal the magic of any of the 6 and was clearly unwilling. You're memory is sho(i)t.
>It was meant to show that she was alone
Literally no point. Since she was the one who brainwashed everyone, she acted like the cunt, we have no reason to feel empathy/sympathy/any ambivalence towards her. She got herself in that situation, so I couldn't give less of a fuck if she's sad
>>26813060
>Friendship Games sold like shit.
>EqG minis not
Inb4 we don't get classics EQG movies anymores and we get EQG movies with this new animation style
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYbPEHXPBys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE3waJipACA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O9tB1p53X8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcSaUsmzsqQ
>>26815709
>Starlight is better than Sunset because mistakes made with her were not repeated with Starlight.
Of course; they weren't just repeated but increased in intensity
While Sunset was an average unicorn, Starlight can somehow pull god-like power out of her ass with no explanation like a true Mary Sue from any poorly-written fanfic
Not to mention how her backstory is literally "m-muh boyfriend" while Sunset had the whole ex-student thing going for her
They blew it in Season 5 and their going to continue to drag the show down by forcing that failed abortion of a character into the next one
>>26815062
>Friendship Games
>better than Rainbow Rocks
>>26815749
This is EqG's future, based on how the toys are selling.
>>26815764
Starlight DEDICATED HER LIFE to attacking something she hated. Sunset was an impatient little shit who felt entitled to all of the knowledge she wasn't ready for and ran away when she wasn't given it. Starlight found one of Starswirl's scrolls. He did most of the work. Sunset was NOT an average unicorn. If she had not run off, she'd be an alicorn princess and Twilight wouldn't have even been considered by Celestia.
I'm guessing you really were hurt when Twilight called Starlight her "first pupil," huh?
>>26815745
>So she's fluttershy 2.0
>every character who has ever apologized is Fluttershy
Lolno
>Cinch wasn't even shown
Who cares about advertisements?
It's the movie itself that matters
>She didn't want to release the magic, you know, what made her evil.
But she did lol
She was so easily convinced to do so
>She had no initial intention to steal the magic of any of the 6 and was clearly unwilling
Except she did it all thoughout the movie and did it AGAIN right after she saw how it hurt Applejack right in front of her
Then she ran away and never got rid of the device nor turned it off
>She got herself in that situation, so I couldn't give less of a fuck if she's sad
Okay
Who cares if you give a fuck or not; it's part of the story and its consistent
>>26815800
>Starlight DEDICATED HER LIFE to attacking something she hated
Over one little colt getting his cutie mark
That's fucking pathetic and shows just how weak-minded Starlight is to be influenced by something so minute
> Starlight found one of Starswirl's scrolls. He did most of the work
Did he also make her able to overpower an alicorn princess multiple times?
That was such bullshit and incredibly contrived
>I'm guessing you really were hurt when Twilight called Starlight her "first pupil," huh?
That's "new pupil"
As in she's had others :^)
>>26815764
>Starlight's power
Is no different from Twilight being extremely gifted/powerful from the get go for no actual reason other than being so. Its not surprising that there are -other- unicorns who are magically talented/gifted, and even less so if they have a goal or desire that inspires them to hone their prowess.
>>26815872
Okay, I guess you have a point there that I'll concede on
It's just frustrating how she said that it took her such a long time to get that fickle little beam spell down in the premiere but was somehow to hold her own in the finale
>>26815862
>That's fucking pathetic and shows just how weak-minded Starlight is to be influenced by something so minute
It was Sunset's impulses that led her to go through the portal, she didn't think it through. And she was an adult when it happened, Starlight was a child.
>Did he also make her able to overpower an alicorn princess multiple times?
That was such bullshit and incredibly contrived
You mean the scroll made by the greatest wizard of all time? Possible.
>>26815945
And Starlight was full-grown by the time that Twilight met her, but she apparently never truly reflected upon the basis for her ideology in all that time
>>26815971
You cannot really compare it, though. Starlight believed what she was doing was good. Sunset was just impulsive.
>>26816018
Sunset may have been impulsive, but the plan that she devised actually had a chance of succeeding had Twilight not deus ex machina'd her out of the blue
If she would have stolen the crown without tripping over Spike, dominated the students, and launched her invasion of Equestria, it would have been over; Twilight wouldn't have been able to manipulate the crown in the way that she did in the human world and Sunset would have taken control of Equestria
Starlight's plans would never have bore fruit as evidenced by the wasteland timeline
She was delusional while Sunset's goals were actually within her grasp
>>26816097
Yes, an invasion of Equestria with an army of teenagers turned into ponies that have no idea how to control themselves is a real threat.
We don't really know if Starlight wanted herself, before she met the Mane Six, to conquer Equestria. Sunset did.
I'd like to touch on this >>26815862
>Over one little colt getting his cutie mark
That's fucking pathetic and shows just how weak-minded Starlight is to be influenced by something so minute
She was a filly. Remember - Applebloom was also in a similar position when it came to Cutiemarks (Twist was her only "friend" but once she got her mark, she pretty much stopped hanging with her) but she had met Scootaloo and Sweetiebelle not long after.
Foals aren't super rational or mature thinkers. Its possible that she had a difficult childhood and he was her only friend for a similar reasoning to AB and Twist, but they had grown close because of it.
Then, he suddenly gets his mark, and completely ditches her without ever even writing back, leaving her friendless. It made her resentful toward the thing that broke what was likely her only Friendship apart and altered her perspective while she's still impressionable.
>Did he also make her able to overpower an alicorn princess multiple times?
Twilight was caught in a magic "snare" that she couldn't brute force her own way out of and was at an inherent disadvantage to the situation that Glimmer set up.
When they fought, it was actually pretty even, and that's also considering that Twilight had to cast the spell on the scroll to return to the past every time she appeared into another timeline (though it didn't seem to tire her all that much). Glimmer didn't overpower her, because Twilight was already in a poor position to really struggle without changing events as is.I honestly think the battle could be portrayed better, since somepony like Twilight should have had a much bigger spell arsenal than magic laser, but most "magic fights" come down to that in this series anyway.
>>26816177
>Yes, an invasion of Equestria with an army of teenagers turned into ponies that have no idea how to control themselves is a real threat.
They didn't need to because she was the one controlling them you dingus
That was kind of the entire point
>>26816207
If the worst Sombra would bring to Equestria was a long war, the invasion wouldn't do anything.
>>26816270
You forget that she would be marching an army into a royal summit
All of the princesses and the M6 were there and she had their counterparts under her control
>>26812586
I'll be honest: I don't personally like Equestria Girls. Sunset was potentially interesting as a character, but fuckoff retarded high school setting and instant flip-over to goody-girl personality ruins it. The stories could have been potentially vastly more interesting if actually done in Equestria.
That said, in retrospect - if it makes the Hasbro moneygrubbers happy and helps keep FiM afloat, I'm not sure I particularly mind EqG doing its thing over in its corner. Provided it never touches the main series proper and remains in its nebulous maybe-canon-but-not-really status, it's not the worst thing that could happen.
In fact, I often find myself thinking that if they could stuff all the shitty awful little-girls-show tropes into EqG to meet the Hasbro-enforced retardedness quotient and direct genuinely good writing and worldbuilding in the actual show, then I'd actually be pretty damn pleased.
>>26817167
>
In fact, I often find myself thinking that if they could stuff all the shitty awful little-girls-show tropes into EqG to meet the Hasbro-enforced retardedness quotient and direct genuinely good writing and worldbuilding in the actual show, then I'd actually be pretty damn pleased.
Pretty sure that's what they do.
>>26817189
Starlight 'I have to be a good pony now' Glimmer and Princess McFlurry say otherwise.
>>26817228
Those are more marketing related than anything trope related.
>>26815156
>sci-twi is evil for no reason and it wasn't even hinted at
This bothered me at first but looking back it was not auctualy that bad scilight wanted knowledge more then anything when she absorbed that magic she gained a much deeper understanding of magic just by having it that kind of boost can easily leave you wanting more.
>>26812586
While this may be true, EqG is the reason S3 was so terrible relative to other seasons.
Faust had left for good after S2, leaving McCarthy as show runner. Instead of giving McCarthy time to adjust and give S3 the attention it deserved, Hasbro shortened the season so they could have her work on EqG. Instead of S3 continuing the momentum of S3 and building up to Twilight's ascension, it will forever be remembered as a the show's biggest stutter step. It would have been much better had they simply done EqG during an extended hiatus after S3 rather than cut it short.
>>26816177
pretty sure she was planning to go global soon
>>26812586
>no hooves
>asking this question
>>26812586
>Was EqG a mistake ultimately, or did it provide anything to the franchise?
I enjoyed it, and many MLP fans I talk to also enjoyed it. It even got one of my friends back into MLP who had "quit" the show because she felt it was childish, I guess the more teenaged vibe of the series did it idk
So it made some people happy regardless of the 4chan hivemind.