Now that we know without the elements Luna steamrolls Celestia. If Cadance is stronger than Celestia, then Celestia is the weakest alicorn in all of equestria.
How far she's fallen from season one where she was basically the pony G O D.
shes 1000+ years old, give her a break.
>>25577727
The alicorns were never gods, just very powerful wizards.
>>25577727
All those futures, and she couldn't even stop the Flim Flam brothers.
Luna (or NM to be precise) was already shown as a much better combatant than Celestia back then in Season 4 opener.
I think, Celestia holds more overall power than Luna, but isn't a great fighter on her own.
>>25577727
One future didn't make sense. The one where luna and celestia were both normal and dancing with Discord. That implies that someone saved luna in that timeline. But who?
>>25578086
It's Discord's future. It doesn't have to make sense. It could be: "where's your sister? Why isn't she here? On the moon? Mad? Pfft, let's get her here."
>>25578193
Discord doesn't have the elements to cure her darkness. He's never been shown to have the power of redemption. If he could redeem anyone he'd have ruled all the other futures by redeeming those villians.
>>25578086
>one future didn't make sense
>discords
Well no shit anon
>>25578304
He just needs to make NMM Discorded. He just needs to tap her on the head and he inverts her personality.
>>25578086
Ok Luna conquered equestria Discord woke up, said a evil Luna was boring, snapped his fingers and took away her power.
>>25578304
I genuinely wonder how the Sombra, NMM and Chrysalis timelines got past Discord. He's the biggest threat, but somehow he was defeated.
>>25578366
She wasn't discorded. Her color was still normal.
>>25577727
Meghan supplanting Lauren's waifu with her own
>>25578400
He never got woken up?
>>25578304
He never shown any limits to his power. He isn't evil. He is chaotic. He face-tanked elemental beam twice, while being perfectly aware of the effect. So he does whatever he want, and it's happened so, he doesn't want to go all-out villain/hero on every possible ocassion. So, you were shown the future, when he decided to do a thing for a once.
>>25577727
>How far she's fallen from season one where she was basically the pony G O D.
Nigga she literally got REKT in the first episode of the show
>>25578086
What fun is there in making sense?
>>25578400
Heres THE THING! Discord only wakes up in timelines where luna and celestia make up. When the elements are reawakened the curse on discord loses its power as the connection to the elements from celestia is passed to new owners.
>>25578434
This.
>>25577727
Man, I hope she gets more attention next season. She deserves it.
>>25578525
Celestia lost to (In order) Discord, Sombra (Needed Luna) Nightmare moon, Chrysy, Tirak. Yeah she is weak.
>>25578545
Alright. I can accept that answer.
>>25578570
Nope, Hasjew hates her.
Starlight Glimmer fought Twilicorn to a STANDSTILL. Alicorns are shit, just Unicorns with wings and Starlight just showed Unicorns don't even need wings to fly.
>>25578545
But who was this new mane 6 who awakened the elements of harmony, yet could not defeat discord? Is this the future where tirak betrayed discord but discord defeated him?
>>25578726
Starlight is slow as molasses when she flies. And season one showed twilight can create wings.
>>25578409
She doesn't need to be discorded in the first place to be personality inverted.NMM is already an Inverted Luna and reverse-reversing would just put her back right side up with or without.
>>25578929
Nighmare moon isn't reverse luna. She's just luna with more confidence, ambition, and anger.
The flimflam time line only makes sense if theres a new mane 6 who did everything the real mane 6 did except befriends with the apple family or live in ponyville.
>>25578726
Which she couldn't do at the start of the season...Cough Plot Armor Cough.
>>25577727
So are we ignoring that all the other timelines that NMM came back and did not win? She has to have shown up in all the other timelines as she was trapped in the moon for a set amount of time and in only one of those timelines did she defeat Celestia. Seems to me that Celestia has a greater chance at beating NMM than the other way around.
>>25579889
>>25578794
There was a new mane 6. Each new time line it was a different one. Except for nightmare moon's where there wasn't one in time.
Some were better than others at defeating the villians in time.
>>25578570
People have been saying this since S2, anon.
Five seasons strong and Celestia has only gotten less and less relevance with each season.
There's no hope. Hasjew already has other princesses to make toys of; nobody cares about Celestia anymore.
>>25579750
She had a bunch of new spells in general. It's obvious she was training all Season Long for her confrontation so she could be able to stand up to Twilight.
She's like Batman with prep time.
>>25577727
Meddling sucked all the friendship out of the timeline, and it still took this happening twice before Celestia actually lost.
>>25579955
At least she got an ocean of porn and one of the most famous pony tumblrs.
>>25577727
Outside of S1, how many lines of dialogue has she even had? I mean Discord I think has had more speaking lines than her. What kind of VA life is that?
>>25577727
How is Cadence stronger than Celestia?
>>25580093
She got a single song to herself...About twilight. And then was in another song....about twilight.
>>25580122
How isn't she? She's already proven that with her husband she can beat chrys who beat celestia. So its fair to assume cadance has power close, equal, or a little higher than celestia.
>>25578525
No she did not. It never said she was defeated, she simply disappeared and returned after nightmare moon was defeated.
>>25577727
That's fucking retarded. Celestia uses the elements of harmony to beat Nightmare Moon once so why can't she do it again? And if Twilight never made it into magic school, then she was never Celestia's student. That means Cadence never had to babysit for her, which means she never met Shining Armor. There'd be no couple for Chrysalis to feed off of. All of these timelines were fucking stupid.
>>25577727
Cadence isn't stronger than Celestia by a long shot. The love she felt for Shining fueled Chrysalis enough to take her by surprise.
>>25581636
Disagree. Cadance is OBVIOUSLY strong enough they didn't want trik geting any of her sweet sweet love juice.
>>25580177
That just proves she's got a good batterypower in her that gets stronger with love, it was SHINING who defeated Chrysalis with his shield spell, Cadence was just recharging him after Chrysalis drained him of love and energy.
Being a sunfag is suffering
>>25578086
Celestia and Luna failed to defeat Discord, peace never came to Equestria where Luna could even bother to get jealous about ponies liking the day, so she never turns into NMM.
>>25578726
>Starlight just showed Unicorns don't even need wings to fly.
Twilight levitated her self in the Crystal Empire episodes.
Pound Cake levitated her self around when Pinkie was baby sitting them
