Stuff like "How to win friends and influence people" by Dale Carnegie
>>7969770
>reading books instead of socializing
This is why you fags will never get a woman.
For fucks sake start with making eye contact with people, smiling and saying Hello. 90% will reciprocate, the other 10%, who cares.
Then, once you work up enough courage to leave the house go to a coffee shop or grocery store and repeat the above, but this time add small talk.
Don't worry if its stupid or pointless. They're paid to be nice. If you spill enough spaghetti, just act like you don't give a shit and pimp walk out.
>>7969790
I already make eye contact just fine, same with smiling and saying hi
And I can make small talk just fine too
But it takes a lot more than that to get laid homie
>>7969823
It really doesn't.
>>7969842
I don't believe you
And even if there's a chance your right I'd rather do more than I needed to than not do enough
Better to use too much guaze than not enough, that kind of thing
>>7969823
How much do you lift? Give height, and weight.
>>7969895
6'4 tall, 228 pounds as of this morning, weights vary from muscle group to muscle group, can do a decent amount of 35 lbs on on curls, can do like 1 or 2 40s, can do close to 200 lb on the stomach curls I think, cant remember the others
I do know that the weight for all of them has gone up lately though so I know I'm making gainz
I owe the extreme weight loss to the protein sparing modified fast idea I got from /fit/
48 laws of power.
have fun owning life.
>>7970103
It looks like those laws directly contradict the win friends and influence people book
I bet they are good for certain situations but not a modern day 2016 US college campus
>>7970117
thought you wanted to get laid?
Notice the last word, power? POWER. Women, modern or historical have always been attracted to power. 48 laws actually says you will lose friends (as in REAL friends). Understand that most people in life are merely acquaintances anyway, people in your network that you use. Usually some form of mutual beneficial relationship.
If you want to get laid, why not just incorporate PUA tactics. Pretty simple stuff.
REAL friends aren't people you usually have to worry about making because they will like you for WHO you are are anyway. And why would you wanna hook up with a good friend? Usually ruins the relationship.
Frankly, I'm confused. What kind of social skills are we talking about? What's your motivation?
>>7969770
models by mark manson seems to me like the only decent book in the self-help area. The book is not only about getting women, but also developing your manliness and live a good life. He redicules the entire "Pick up artist" bullshit.
>>7970117
It's not supposed to be all followed at once. Each law is a tool with various application, some conguent and others not.
![510j2HKMpYL._SX331_BO1,204,203,200_[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ka0RdMs.jpg "510j2HKMpYL._SX331_BO1,204,203,200_[1].jpg")
Anyone read this? Any good?
>>7969911
Squats m8 squats. And deadlift.And The Press and weighted dips and pull ups *tips fedora intensely*
Don't do muscle groups, you're just fucking yourself over.
>>7969770
bump
>>7969770
THIS.
>>7969770
AND THAT
>>7969790
>obviously never read the book.
>how do I improve at reading?
>read shit
>how do I improve at math?
>math shit
>how do I improve at chess?
>chess shit
>how do I improve my social skills?
>read a book.
For being the pointy headed intellectuals you claim to be, you sure can't see correlation easily.
>>7969770
The way of the superior man.
>>7970863
Funny enough, if you couldn't read at all you wouldn't be able to perfect chess and math skills or any skill.
>>7970922
Untrue. I consider myself a very competitive chess player. Two years ago I ranked in the top 100 players registered in new york. I took a took a trip to NYC one day for a tournament and played street games for fun. I got beat by a nigger who could barely form sentences and it was not close.
>>7970945
What's your rating?
>>7970863
I get you point, but come on, people who're way into math don't just scribble equations on paper. They also read a shitlot of math books.
I won't be surprised that there are books that would help an awkward nerd make his practice of studying social skills less painful and full of spaghetti.
>>7970138
Social skills that will basically get people (read: girls) to like me a whole lot, to be "popular"
>>7970509
Read it a few months ago, was meh, all I got out of it was how to dress right, how to get the right hair, and the crucialness of being /fit/
>>7971224
Yeah basically, its either manipulation or have fun being isolated forever
>>7969770 >>7970811
Leil Lowndes - How to Talk to Anyone: 92 Little Tricks for Big Success in Relationships
Brian Tracey - The Psychology of Achievement
David Allen - Getting Things Done
Brian Tracy - Eat That Frog
Dan Kennedy - No B.S. Time Management for Entrepreneurs
Robert Kiyosaki & Sharon Lechter - Cash Flow Quadrant
Donald Trump - The Art Of The Deal
George Samuel Clason - The Richest Man In Babylon
Thomas J. Stanley - The Millionaire Next Door
Benjamin Franklin - The Way to Wealth
Shad Helmstetter - What To Say When You Talk To Yourself
Manuel J. Smith - When I Say No I Feel Guilty
Dan Kennedy - The Ultimate Sales Letter
Napoleon Hill & Toks K. Oyegunle - Think and Grow Rich
Jim Collins - Good to Great: Why Some Companies Make the Leap... And Others Don’t
David Deida - The Way Of The Superior Man
Robert Cialdini - The Psychology of Influence
Leil Lowndes - How to Talk to Anyone: 92 Little Tricks for Big Success in Relationships
John Gray - Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus
Robert Cialdini - The Psychology of Influence
Esther Vilar - The Manipulated Man
Barbara Pease - The Definitive Book of Body Language
Andre Kukla - Mental Traps
Laurie Helgoe - Introvert Power
Madsen Pirie - How to Win Every Argument
Leil Lowndes - How to Talk to Anyone
Hegel's The Phenomenology of Spirit
>>7969895
I just lift my own bodyweight.
5'8but I live in a mediterranean kingdom of manlets, 125 lbs
Anyone know where I can get a pdf of a billion wicked thoughts by dale carnegie?
>>7969770
How to win friends and influence Dale Carnegie.
>>7969770
What is Dale Carnegie known for? For being a business genius? An effortless ability to socialise and make contacts?
He's known for self help books and only one in any substantial amount like a century ago. He is distinctly unqualified to tell you this shit.
>>7969790
This doesnt work if youre creepy or awkward by the way
>>7972010
you must be speaking from experience
>>7972016
Yeah basically
>looking for -topic- books
Look elsewhere, this board is for literature and not general "books".
>>7971991
But anon I've used his advice on people IRL even today and it works
>>7972376
Details plox
>>7972407
ont criticize, condemn or complain
Give compliments
Make them want to do the things you want them to
Learn as much as you can about them, ask them questions about themselves, get them to talk about themselves
Smile
REMEMBER PEOPLE'S NAMES
Listen intently, keep the conversation going based on what they have said, build off of it
Talk about everything in terms of what the other person wants / what is good for them / their interests in general
Make the other person feel important, relevant, like they matter a great deal
Avoid arguments no matter what, if one starts, defuse it immediately
If you must correct someone, do it subtly and politely, do not outright tell them they are wrong, slowly get them to connect the dots
If you are wrong, admit it rapidly and apologetically, get them to feel bad for you and to let it go
Faking being nice will get you way better results than showing your true feelings
If you want something specific from someone, get them to say "Yes" to lead up questions
Let the other person build themselves up in their mind by getting them to talk about themselves, only talk about your own achievements when they ask
Make other people feel like an idea is their own
Try to understand how other people see things, try to see things from the other persons point of view
Pretend to feel bad for other people, pretend to care about their ideas and wishes, if you must conflict with them, spin it
to make it seem like they are helping themselves in the long run
Appeal to people's nobler motives (its the right thing to do)
Facts, figures, math, none of them are enough for normies, you have to dramatize things to get their minds to click and understand and accept it,
it is all highly depedent upon context, but essentially imagine you are talking to a literal child, word everything in terms of that,
just don't let them know you are viewing them as a child.
So many people are motivated by a challenge, wanting to prove themselves, wanting to feel powerful, even if the challenge itself is stupid, they feel
a deep need to overcome it, to say "I won", exploit that in the appropriate contexts, but never directly insult them to achieve it, say it indirectly,
imply it, and do not have a hint of passive-aggressiveness
etc
>>7972436
I meant details of where you've applied these principles you copy pasting robot.
>>7972443
No shit I copy pasted I admitted it here >>7972439
Fine, today I smiled at this one tutor girl repeatedly, asked her questions about why she is an economics tutor, found out she is dual majoring in economics and biology, and got her all smiley and laughy
Even though I dont give a shit about any of that but I pretended to care because I wanted more practice and I wanted to do further testing
Another time some guy I was meant to hang out with cancelled to study and rather than point out that he didn't need to cancel because he had more than enough time even with hanging out, I didn't because I knew that the normie wouldn't listen to reason and would just get pissy, so I played it off as if it was cool and then he spontaneously said we could do it a few days from then and seemed excited about it
etc
>>7972469
Why is she dual majoring? What's she thinking about her thesis?
>>7972443
also about the tutor girl that was helping me, I threw in smiling too, and also I sat in a way where the top of my leg touched the top of her leg, almost laying on it, and she didn't even move away for like 10 seconds and that was because it was time for her to go (she had shit to do)
Earlier on when I did that she moved but showed no other signs of having an issue, but after 30 mins of talking and she didn't care
Its a subtle thing but it shows that on a subconscious level she became more accepting of me, or maybe it was a conscious choice, I dunno, doesn't matter
So no I'm no casanova who is getting laid left and right but I am rapidly learning and its making me more confident and self assured which is making it easier to learn and apply these things and its like an exponential chain reaction
>>7972476
She just said "she liked economics"
apparently she wants to do pharmaceutical work
So yeah she is being a dumbass working double for nothing, but I didn't point that out and instead acted like it was cool
>>7972479
Have you considered she was just fobbing you off m80, rather than "being stupid" or w/e
>>7972491
I've never heard or gotten the impression that people lie about their majors and plus she was so nice and helpful the whole time that it makes it seem even more like she was legit
>>7972496
She wasn't lying about her major, she was giving you truthful but curt answers to shut you up.
>>7972533
If you were there you would see that she wasn't trying to get me to shut up
>>7972555
I really wish I could talk with you more, but I have to study instead of spend time with you.
I like studying.
>>7969770
this desu
it's the logical conclusion of the self-help genre in its most masculine form. The author goes so far as to suggest that there a scientific basis to gender. He happened to stop before he got to writing a chapter on how women are inferior.
A seriously autistic read I must say.
>>7969770
>2016
>Not being a homosexual
>>7969770
The Way Of The Superior Man by David Deida
>>7969770
Not a book but...
RSD Blueprint helped me a ton. It's on a popular pirate site.
>>7971224
> Automatically equating social skills with manipulation.
Something typically done by shy beta spergies.
>>7973290
I think that basically whether its manipulation or not depends on the intent behind it, if you actually care about the person when you ask about them then its not manipulation, if you don't care and are just trying to get them to like you then it is manipulation.
With me its nearly always manipulation, and I feel ok with that. Its not like anyone has ever given a shit about me anyways, and I'm meant to feel bad about successfully getting people to like me when they would never like me for the real me?
I don't think so.
>>7972793
>The author goes so far as to suggest that there a scientific basis to gender.
wow such a novel idea
>>7969770
Reddit.com/r/theredpill
Read the side bar and all their suggestions
>>7972436
what happens when two people try to apply these things at the same time in an attempt to win over the other
>>7974740
I'm sticking your idea in my dumb ai project notebook m8. Good one.
>>7969770
reading a book to obtain social skills is like reading a book to obtain bike riding skills or running skills.
what people don't realize is that reading an entire book on how to socialize only serves to make them become some weird social robot.
get some job that requires you to sell something to someone, because that's what socializing is, you're selling yourself. people often confuse bad selling technique with qualities of the actual product.
and if you read some book that tells you to act in a certain way you might realize at the end you're putting forward a product that differs from what you actually are.
>>7973512
this idea of being wholly genuine or completely fake is bullshit and is generally held by people who are dead inside and have never had an emotional connection with someone. it's not even some overblown dramatic movie bullshit, it's silent and you'll know when it's there.
what you don't realize now while you're successfully manipulating people to get to like your facade is that there will come a point when you realize how lonely you really are. you'll be surrounded by people who probably do the same thing and you'll have nobody to turn to but the voices in your head.
>>7974434
Everything except the influence books looks trippy and stupid
Maybe the robot ones might be kinda useful?
>>7974740
It depends if its coming naturally to them or if they are faking it, if both are faking it they will probably pick up on it and then feel closer to the other because they both know that the other isn't a normie, all it takes is one of them to be a normie and it will end with the faker not feeling any better and the normie feeling better and happy (what matters)
if they are both normies than both of them will be happy
>>7974857
My ultimate goal in life is bareback pussy, if manipulation is what I have to do to get it then so be it.
>>7971374
>125lb
>manklet
>>7969770
Jay Heinrichs - Thank You For Arguing
You can also check out Word Hero by the same author
>>7974813
>like reading a book to obtain bike riding skills or running skills.
Nah man. Reading a book on riding a bike or running can take you from being a piss poor cyclist or runner to actually being pretty decent.
>>7971374
>5'8" 125 lbs
jesus dude, you must be a twig. I'm 5'9" 175 lbs. That makes me feel fucking fat. Even in high school I used to weigh like 145-150 and I used to run 6 miles every day (was on cross country).
>>7976603
>That makes me feel fucking fat.
So long as you don't feel like less of a man.
