I don't hate it but i only read it so I could get the /lit/ pseudo intellectual cred. I would've given up otherwise. Bravo academia-media-publishing industrial complex. The first 50 pages are good but the rest just dissolves in to pointless shit. dracula's actions make absolutely no sense unless you read the book as some sort of fear of immigrants thing (buying property and cucking the men by taking their women) but who cares (even though I think pol is right)?

>>8279446
>Are there people here who hate this book?
no
it's great

It's dated, for historical reference only.

>>8279463

I read it at the age of 10 and took Dracula's motivations as literally being as described in the book. Why Dracula wouldn't want to move to new country after having thoroughly exhausted the peasantry of his home territory, and wouldn't go drink the blood of people within easy reach (he'd always done this), I don't know. It doesn't seem to me to be odd within the rules of the world established - no sociological bullshit required.

Its repetitive. Same events from every characters POV. And then there is the weird phonograph chapter which just repeats another chapter but with the novelty of it being a recording..
I wasn't expecting a 20th century action movie , and I like the style of Victorian novels so, not the trashing you would like, I imagine.
How about this: " pleb tier, garbage, cuck, meme, reddit". &tc ?

>>8279478

yeah but he has super strength and doesn't kill the peoplle trying to kill him, just bites the women and laughs at them,

>>8279555

I think that's probably so they can win at the end of the book.

>>8279446

As a story of a committee that keeps excellent notes, it is kind of format porn-y in a Lovecraft kind of way. It is also difficult to tell when the author approves of Victorian moralizing and when he is mocking it.

>>8279446
Read it as a kid, really liked it back then.

Not sure if it would work for me now.

>>8279685

He isn't mocking it at any point.

>>8279725
So, couldn't a contemporary criticism be that the book is xenophobic? I mean, don't get me wrong. I myself am a bit weary of immigrants, but maybe others might think of it as ignorant for that reason.

Didn't King recommend this?

Not that is in of itself a worthy recommendation, but I'm failing to see how the "academia-media-publishing industrial complex" figures in all this.

>>8279755

No, no valid criticism can begin from condemning a work for reflecting the values of its own culture rather than the reader's.

>>8279446
it's really cool within its context.

>>8279755
I don't even get how you came to that conclusion. The main motivation of Stoker was his childhood. He was a cripple and couldn't walk for years. He always had to be in bed, sleeping, he felt dead, but wasn't dead and he had a child brain, like Van Helsing says Dracula had.
It doesn't have anything to do with immigrants. Not in the slightest.

>>8279766
Isn't it valid to criticize a work's internal logic as being based in fallacy? You can argue that it's unreasonable to demand that a work to reflect your own values, but if you believe that it signifies a self evident fallacy or flawed thinking then that's not an unreasonable criticism. Someone who is pro-immigration might argue that xenophobia is clearly obviously flawed even without cultural example and the author should have realized it's fallacy through the act of acting out a xenophobic scenario. I don't agree with those values, but it's a bit more reasonable of a criticism if you look at it that way, I think.

>>8279809

No, because nobody claimed 'logic' for the worldview of any imaginative author.