Has he been ruined by Leftist academics and Gender Professors?
His disregard of facts ruined him.
They're the logical conclusion to his thought.
>>8258701
Explain.
>>8258724
meh. I had the impression that he wanted to explain problems in a different perspective more than actually solving them
>>8258756
And that gives rise to people trying to solve these problems.
>>8258803
he surely left an open space for interpretation but he never proposed an actual plan of action. Maybe he knew and proposedly avoided the problem
I maintain that Foucault is only popular because of all the important postmodernists, he wrote the shortest books, and that unlike them, the ideas behind his obscure style are extremely simple. it's important to remember that he was trained as an historian, not a philosopher. if you read any historical theory from the time period and even later, the disciplinary problems were rudimentary compared to those being tackled in philosophy and literature since the 50s
>>8258851
besides, it's much easier to read History of Sexuality and Archaeology of Knowledge (<400 pages) and call yourself a Foucauldian than it is to read all three volumes of Capital (~1200) plus every major Marxist in your field.
>>8258851
Is there some way to make sense of his writings more? I get the general gist of them, and I consider myself a pretty intelligent guy, but I feel like I have to bust out a dictionary every time I open Madness and Civilisation.
he appeared on the scene at exactly the right time. as allthusser started clowning around with marxism and psychology, and roland barthes started to fragment literature, academia became very receptive to cancelling grand narratives and individualizing theory and power (as was exactly the cultural logic of neo-liberalism, which is the dominant class's culture and therefore the dominant culture at the time) all paved the way for Foucault to horizontal theories of power and ideology, which consequently completely obscured capitalist power or the economic base as a determinate in the last instance.
b/c his theories were so serviceable to bourgeois interests they of course came into vogue with tenured radicals, who if they had continued to seriously follow marx and althusser into the 70s and 80s thy would have realized they lived as ISAs and functionaries, and would have to overthrow their bosses too, which is a lot of work. Foucault is their escape rope.
>>8258851
He's a distillation of Nietzsche and Marx, both of which are much more complex and generally more meritorious thinkers. He's okay in and of himself but really Foucault is more of a starting point into a deeper investigation of philosophy than he is an ending point. Having read all of Nietzsche and a decent portion of Marx going into him, every point he made felt like it was already covered.
>tfw my university told Foucault to fuck off with his faulty methodology (and then he went to France and published it there instead)
Something to be proud of, I think.
>>8258860
read Archaeology of Knowledge first. it lays out the method he was working towards in the earlier books. don't be afraid to look online for guides and summaries as well
>>8258886
Wikipedia scholarship everyone
>>8258963
Too bad your country is now striving to be the first Foucaultian state.
>>8258969
>>8258991
>le ebic /pol/ maymays
>>8259000
Armchair psychoanalysis everyone.
>>8259045
well his entire critique is that foucault is not a marxist, sort of betraying the fact that he has no idea what foucault is trying to do, at any basic level
What I don't understand about Foucault is that all his followers read him as some social justice hero, but his works try to demonstrate that making a claim to "justice" is just an expression of power. And if everything's power, then it's impossible to say what is most just, or true, or whatever. There's some genuinely weird radical Nietzschean individualism running through Foucault which his followers seem to disregard completely.
>>8259080
>genuinely weird radical Nietzschean individualism
sounds like most young leftists nowadays
>>8259080
That's because you think his followers are the stereotypical SJW-crowd.
Maybe go outside once in a while.
>>8259080
>all his followers
>>8259116
but your remark that foucault wouldnt believe in an abstract, universal concept of justice is instantly transparent to almost everyone
>>8259045
1. his notion of "canceling grand narratives" is lifted directly from wikipedia's "postmodernism" page
2. his understanding of Foucault and Marxism as an us vs them dichotomy is extremely juvenile
3. he clearly has no idea that Foucault understood his work as taking place within a cluster of problematics—within a discourse—opened up by Marx and Freud. read Foucault's "What is an Author?" instead of just Wikipedia articles next time.
4. I'm not quite sure what Althusser is doing here, but he has nothing to do with the kind of wikipedian understanding of Marxism as "economic determinate in the last instance." Althusser does not concieve of "the economic" as the mode of production, and does away with the base/superstructure modality.
>>8258690
Sometimes this board is awesome. You're one of the reasons it is sometimes awful
>>8259116
>trying to discuss academic problems
>>thinks pedantic means anything
>>8259125
I'm the anon that wrote the analysis of Foucault. I'm not saying that I believe in a transcendent absolute, just that Foucault doesn't, while his leftist disciples (such as those in my graduate department and at my undergraduate college) do, that of justice.
I'm not out to beat up some SJW strawman, just wondering about Foucault and his disciples, who tend to be leftist. I don't know of any right Foucaultians. Maybe the Bush administration.
Foucault was steeped in Nietzsche.
As of yet, however, Nietzsche has yet to have a satisfactory heir.
>>8259135
foucault was a student of althusser, althusser was reviving the economic base after the gramscians and liberals started their stupid war of position in the superstructure project of reforming capitalism, and he was very invested in the base/superstructure modality.
foucault was all about micropower and the debord idea that france was now 1 million little kings. This totally obscures that having a tniy bit of power over some person you meet is inconsequential compared with the bourgeois power over the proletariat. it was almost like foucault didn't believe in society existed anymore,
>>8259166
SJW's don't like him because he's white.
I saw a tweet by an intelligent black female sociologist PHD student claiming he stole all his work from People of Colour. She used an example of a paraphrasing of the "war is the continuation of politics through other means" quotatution that she attributed to Mao. When I pointed out its the most oft repeated quotation from von Clauswitz, she blocked me. She also regrets Biopolitics in favour of "Necropolitics" because the author is black
>>8259184
Deleuze
>>8259188
overdetermination is the antidote to base/superstructure. structural causality is a complete rejection of the expressivity that model implies.
>>8259188
foucault wouldn't claim that there is nothing but ''micropower.'' he distanced himself from marxism (and liberalism) because the basis of his historical studies was an escape from an ''economism of power,'' meaning he wanted to theorize power without subordinating the concept to an economic narrative or law.
>>8259229
lol necropolitics is predicated on biopolitics. they're symbiotic concepts
>>8259254
She sees it in contrast
https://twitter.com/ztsamudzi/status/583420364891357184
>>8259231
>>8259184
Reading Cioran right now, and I have to say that his ideas about the fundamental nothingness of all things are far more interesting and (kind of) true to Spinoza, or at least my reading of Spinoza, than Deleuze's - given, I still have to read a lot of his stuff. Everything is built of nothing and upon nothing, fulfilling the already-and-always existing destiny of immanence inherent in Being, and all acts of man are but bricks in the endless construction of the cathedral of utter nothingness, under whose vaulted arches we all laugh madly.
All of this to say that the true heir of Nietzsche is Giorgio Manganelli, an Italian writer - philosopher who, alone in the literary world, effectively embodied he-who-dances-upon-the-abyss-laughing, or how I imagine the Overman to be.
Okay I'm Italian myself and I wrote this thing awfully but fuck it.
>>8259284
She's a first generation child of middle class immigrants with an identity crisis.
https://twitter.com/ztsamudzi/status/730883258544594944
>>8258690
no, he wasn't
>>8259284
They resent not being white
>>8259617
What's the other major response?
>>8259632
>there is no paper, only racism
>>8259617
lol what grade did you get on the paper? this is some pseudo-sociolinguistics phrenology bullshit
>>8259565
Yeah, she's Zim too. Her parents are academics who paid for her to study in LSE London. She moved into Oakland but it is a textbook gentrifier yet she spends all her time bitching about white people making her feel inadequete
>>8259676
i meant that he could have actually written an academic paper tying "we wuz kings n shit" to overcompensating among less prosperous minorities
>>8259700
exactly, there may be plausible explanations for certain general attitudes towards the majority population, or current lack of geopolitical influence in light of previous historical significance, but in no way could one academically write a paper about this, not without being ridiculously meticulous and looking at very specific samples and populations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmv9Pb5NafI
>>8259689
There is truth in that, funny enough she often disparages whites for being ahead in life because of their "privledged mediocrity". She was raised in white suburbs too and almost exclusively dated white men, clearly she yearns for an acceptable white folk wouldn't give her.
>>8259273
she's either wrong or trying to articulate a point larger than Twitter allows. the concepts are related to each other dialectically. it involves a sort of 3D rotation of the same object to its opposite side. biopolitics means distributing life and security, necropolitics means administering death and destruction. the Marxist perspective already encompasses both.
>>8259756
If I remember it correctly, she sees the power of state only invested in Necropolitics. I should note she also considers herself an anarchist
>>8258994
>Implying Sweden isn't coming apart at the seems
>>8258858
There's also the fact that being a Marxist is fucking retarded. There's a reason they only exist in literature and similar fields.
>>8258701
His disregard of AIDS ruined him
>>8258858
3 volume of capital total 2700
He's literally a leftist academic
>>8260175
kek
>>8258690
You cannot help but feel that, like Zizek, he takes a single historical example (and his presentation of this example may not be completely honest) and tries to extrapolate everything in the world from it. When he names drops an ancient word or person or a specific prison or anything really, you're left wondering if he's intentionally left details, uses of the word in certain contexts, his test results, etc. out to make his point. I find him to be a completely untrustworthy guy in that respect.
>>8258886
What is your highest level in Pokemon Go
>>8260029
Because it's good clean academic FUN!
Marxism is all theory, no practical applications.
>end white supremacy
>dismantle capitalism
Now (((who))) might that appeal to?
>>8260543
totally retarded, youre basically criticizing him for using the concept of a paradigm or altogether wrong
>>8260966
that guy is actually making a pretty common critique made of foucault even by a lot of foucault scholars
he is a parisian of his time, all grandiose claims and sweeping ideas over empirical details
