Hey guys, German-language lit thread? I'm learning the language and I'd like to choose a book to read as a goal. For example, my goal for Spanish is to read Don Quixote. What would be a good seminal work in German that I could choose as a fun milestone to aim for in my language study?
sorrows of young werther?
faust?
>>8238579
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>>8238552
Buddenbrooks by Thomas Mann
>>8239357
This. Though ''Der Zauberberg'' may be more fun due to Naptha vs. Settembrini
>>8239357
This. I am reading it right now actually.
>>8238552
Das Kapital
>>8238552
Can you please stop with these shitty language learning shill threads? I know how these always go, after a few posts someone will write a big comment saying how good "fluent in 3 months" is and then shills it for the entire thread saying how they learning Chinese in 3 month fluently and how it's an easy language.
Btw if you want to learn any language just read books in that language, watch news in that language and learn vocabulary, it's that easy.
>>8238552
Zettels Traum.
Scherz, Satire, Ironie und tiefere Bedeutung von Grabbe.
>>8238552
Faust, Zweiter Teil
>>8239378
Are you mentally challenged? He just asked for books to read.
>>8238552
Kritik der reine Verkunft
Unendlicher Spaß
>>8239378
John you are the demons. You just wrote the post you feared.
Penguin do decent dual language books for German. You'll get exposure to some de ent post wwii writers.
>>8238552
Rose child porn
>>8238552
If I were to learn german, the endgame would be Faust and Goethe in general.
>>8239433
YOUR MOVE, GOETHE
>>8238552
Die Philosophie der Erlösung, mainly because there's no English translation, though there is a Spanish one.
>>8239386
Who are you? Are you the one guy here on lit who appreciates Arno Schmidt besides me?
>>8240522
Not him, but I think it was supposed to be a joke because Zettel's Draum is considered pretty fucking hard.
>>8240534
Seems pretty straightforward to me.
unrelated but what do you think about Stefan Zweig?
>>8240534
Nope, not at all. It's just innovative. AND it was written by a fucking storage worker.
>>8240522
>Are you the one guy here on lit who appreciates Arno Schmidt besides me?
Incorrect.
Also, do you happen to know about Marianne Fritz? Tried to get people's interests piqued with a couple of threads, but to no avail. I feel there is a very hushed appreciation of people outside the Canon that don't get specific mention here on /lit/ for their obscurity, self-indulgence or such, like MacDiarmid, Brautigan, Vallejo or the troubadours, just to name some. Which is really a shame.
>>8239370
That one has been originally published in English. It is like learning Russian to read what Lenin wrote while in a library in Switzerland.
>>8240803
>the troubadours
Oh ja! Lass uns altprowonzalisch lernen! Dann lass machen Propaganda fur Sudfranzosen. Dann ist der Erbfeind entzwei!
>>8238552
If you are just beginning I suggest searching for Michel Thomas audio course on thepiratebay. Its the best thing to learn a foreign language. If you insist on using books only you can find pretty much everything translated in German.
>>8240816
Unfortunately, a couple families of the Semitic languages are my strong suit. I should learn German sometime, so versatile.
>>8238552
All the people saying faust 2 should fuck right of. It isn't exactly accessible for non-native speakers. Try "Die Verwandlung" or "Kleider machen Leute".
>>8240837
I named Faust 2 because OP wanted some kind of semi-endgame stuff.
>>8238552
Hölderlin's Hyperion
>>8240828
Hnnnnnng
>>8240837
Nonßens. Faust 2 ist nur auf Deutsch Unsinn. Ebenso machen Burns und Shakespeare nur auf Englisch oft keinen Sinn. Die Übersetzungen sind immer goldig. Sie kommen aus uralten Traditionen. Und wenn man über Generationen versucht das Selbe zu sagen, kommt irgendwann etwas schönes raus.
>>8240830
באמת?
>>8240863
Mischschell Tomma ist gut.
>>8240868
כּן, بس عربياتي اقوى
>>8240889
אתה ערבי?
>>8240908
Aye. Was taught I'vrit in middle school, but the thing is: everybody flunked out of it, so the school cut its losses and fired the poor man. My grasp is limited, but it's there.
Räuber Hotzenplotz
>>8240967
>reading for plotz
>>8238552
>a good seminal work in German
What better work of art could you have chosen than a man? Make it your aim to seduce a lovely and blond German.
>>8238552
Patrick Süskind - Das Parfüm
Theodor Storm - Der Schimmelreiter
>>8238577
>Sorrows Of Young Werther
That is God-Tier literature. Great stuff.
>>8241117
No, it is good, but definately not God tier. It's the Catcher in the Rye of its time.
Die Letzten Tage der Menschheit, Karl Kraus
If only because this is what I am doing currently.
Goethe is probably a sensible milestone.
I suggest reading poetry, too, to get a sense of metaphor, idiom, and rhythm.
>>8241609
Don't get me wrong, it is good, and should definately be read within the context of its creation (Sturm und Drang), but it is not the greatest work in german literature.
>>8240802
Having Zettels Traum as a goal for your German reading skills is like choosing Finnegans Wake for English.
>>8242952
I don't think anyone wouldn't realize this.
>>8242955
Someone who hasn't heard of it and doesn't know German yet might. You were saying it's not hard to read and it is
>>8238552
>not choosing literally any book by Goethe as goal
Germany has lost it's language with the end of WW2. But even more so it has lost all ambition.
>>8240522
Well, probably I am. Arno was awesome and is horribly underrated. I´d also recommend Wollschlägers 'Herzgewächse', although it's pretty rare/expensive.
>>8240723
Isn't it awesome though? Look at the word "cnorpulend" he created. It's a combination of (at least) "Knorpel" (cartilage), "kopulieren" (making love) and "pulen" (picking) to describe the womans act to move through the hole in the fence. I will never finish the whole thing though.
>>8238577
sorrows of ¥ung waert-her is the most accessible goethe book. desu senpai
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