>People on this board are unironically Marxists
People here are supporting Bremain, of course they are marxists.
this desu
I'm not a marxist but I am a leftist-hegelian.
OP needs to read a book.
retard frogfaggot
good
>>8195806
Kys
>>8195788
What'
s up?
>>8195788
Yuri was right, and these people just aren't smart enough to see they're being duped.
Marxism, despite its historical shortcomings, is still a perfectly valid economic school of thought to be studied. You shouldn't let your apprehensions about regressive leftism and the like delude your thoughts about it.
>>8195788
Hell yeah.
>>8195889
>Yuri
shiggy
>>8195899
do you know how many people have died because of marxism?
>>8195909
Not enough.
>>8195907
>implying regressive leftism doesn't exist
>implying that people don't unreasonably disregard all leftist views because of their indignation towards regressivism, as evident from most peoples opinions on this website
You are flat out retarded. You should be agreeing with me.
>>8195909
That's what I meant by historical shortcomings.
>>8195909
I love fascist heads getting beaten in with baseball bats
they're not serious people, don't worry about them
>>8195923
>Regressive leftism
>Existing
It's literally just the new alt-right snarl buzzword.
>>8195928
The alt-right is filled with very serious people. American conservatives are very serious people.
>>8195935
>The alt-right is filled with very serious people.
didn't realise I implied that
![Adorno[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/oszRmdq.jpg "Adorno[1].jpg")
>>8195788
Even if you don't agree with his solutions, Marx had valuable criticisms of capitalism. Reading Marxists is essential if you want to understand how the West became a multicultural supermarket
>>8195943
So who is very serious in your mind. Implying there aren't serious people in a certain group implies there are elsewhere. Here? There are not, however. So I'm curious.
>>8195924
my grandfather escaped from communist russia. his relatives died in gulags... stalin made his parents eat feces. i can't believe you are defending such a disgusting ideology.
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
>>8195949
Your grandfather defo deserved it.
>>8195924
>I love fascism
Secretly, every leftist thinks like you
>>8195949
I wasn't responding about communist Russia you dumbo. I was talking about European anarchists. A fair few fascists met nail bomb death as well if that's any better. I think it is.
>>8195953
>Secretly . . . i . . . like you.
wew lad.
>>8195934
it is, but i agree that BLM protesters who cry about cultural appropriation are regressive. they seem to think culture should exist in a box, much like fascists do.
>>8195953
Killing people is not uniquely fascist. If it was, America would certainly fit fascist (more than it already does.)
>>8195961
Okay, give an example then.
>>8195934
>tolerating homophobia, misogyny, anti-Semitism, and terrorism because you're too afraid to say "bad Muslim" is not a regression from progressive social views
Maybe you just don't know what progressive and regressive mean?
>>8195948
European Nationalism
Political Islam
Chinese state capitalism
Leftists are mostly tools of neoliberalism at this point (don't forget to vote Bremain!)
>>8195966
>I don't support BLM
tho I do agree "cultural appropriation" is stupid, not that it's "regressive" but it's just a plain old spook.
>>8195961
>mental gymnastics
the left is all about that, which is a good thing
there's a reason why the left wing is for intellectuals
>>8195967
i hate you, but yes America is already pretty fucking fascist.
>>8195953
>>8195963
>>8195973
Okay.
Who does this?
>>8195972
Screaming to ignore me is more annoying than me just posting. It's like screaming 'HELP HELP! STOP FALLING FOR BAIT!", nobody likes it. It doesn't help anyone. Only wieners do it. Don't be a wiener, son.
>>8195930
>>8195934
(Reposting because I fucked up the first time)
Alright then, keep living in your fantasy land. There are literally real life solid examples of people who have displayed regressive leftism. Every pro-multicultural feminist who defends Islam is retracting their own feminist views for the sake of accommodation. How could it be a made of buzzword if it can be applied, by definition, to these such scenarios?
Keep up with the mental gymnastics, I don't care.
>>8195975
UNIRONICALLY VOTING BREMAIN
how does it feel to fall for the globalist jews ruse?
>>8195991
Stop deleting your posts. Nobody is going to yell at you for making a typo, or not having perfect grammar. Cmon son.
>>8195975
>He isn't part of the CPGB-ML who are voting leave.
>>8195975
>European Nationalism
hahahaha
>Political Islam
hahahaha
>Chinese state capitalism
hahahaha
too much cuckoldry in this thread. fuck all of you im gonna go read based milo tweets.
>>8196000
an extreme minority of leftists are voting for Brexit
because they have been coopted by neoliberals
keep the memes up dude
>>8196007
>tripposting on 4chan daily
hahahahahaha
(seriously though I pity you, I hope you find a nice circle of irl friends some day)
>>8196012
>>8196015
because I can twist words to make it true that leftism is always progressive
if you can't do this you can't call yourself an intellectual and don't deserve to be part of the left wing
>>8196017
>>8195788
>people on /pol/ are unironically calling people commies
W... what?
i think a marxist way of looking at things can be pretty useful sociologically, class relations etc
but economically it's retarded, LTV is simply wrong, concepts like exploitation fall flat against rigorous economic analysis
>>8196015
Because I have yet to see any validation of it beyond /pol/ going
>HA look this Muslim killed someone. And HA look at this cuck who doesn't think every last Muslim should be rounded up into camps because of it. Lol, so much for progressives.
>>8195986
Jeremy Corbyn, Diane Abbott, and the majority of the UK Labour party
Noam Chomsky
Reza Aslan
Glenn Greenwald
Elizabeth Warren
reminder that 'regressive leftism' and 'radical Islam' are bullshit terms that obfuscate the enemy
there is only leftism and Islam, the regressive and radical elements are endemic to them
>>8196016
Most of the left are actual liberals who are barely leftists, this isn't news.
Relevent tune.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u52Oz-54VYw
>>8196022
yea, your progress walks into a fire, your progress falls off a cliff.
>>8196009
Are you just trying to bait? There's no way of looking at mental gymnastics and cognitive dissonance as being anything but bad in the area of politics.
>>8196014
I already gave an example, that is feminists who promote Islam. If you want the names of people in particular I regret to inform that I don't feel like pouring through a bunch of buzzfeed and vox articles for your sake, but I do distinctly remember a famous Japanese feminist activist (and marxist) who was quite the admirer of Osama bin Laden. She received a google doodle in her honor not too long ago. I forget her name though.
>>8196040
fine by me, only plebs care about the real world
If we are to profile and deport violent people from our national security, who better than men? Men commit a majority of shootings, ergo, if we are to solve problems by getting rid of it, let's send men to the sun.
If the alt-right is to argue with my logic, they are arguing against themselves.
>>8196034
How exactly?
>>8196038
>>8196043
>as being anything but bad in the area of politics.
politics is just a game for our amusement
>>8196044
so then shut the fuck up
>>8196059
make me
>>8196043
>remember a famous Japanese feminist activist (and marxist) who was quite the admirer of Osama bin Laden.
Yes, she was also a Muslim and supported him for anti-imperialist reasons. On the count she's a Muslim I don't think that's a particularly good example of le regressive left.
Not to mention your previous "example" wasn't an example, it was you describing a situation you believe to be happening that I dispute.
>>8196047
I agree, we should deport all white men (right wing ones especially) to keep them away from the rest of society
>>8196047
IGNORE THE BAIT
IT'S JUST AN UGLY TRANNY MAD AT MEN
>People on this board are unironically ironic
>>8196051
Politics is the set of methods by which a government chooses to make decisions for the benefit of its people. Now that I see that you're only concerned with making cutesy smartass remarks, I'm going to stop replying. Have a good day.
>>8196062
it's not my business to help idiots look less stupid, by all means, continue to dig your hole.
>>8196065
BAAAAAAAAITTTTTTTTTT
>>8196047
Kill yourself, please, do it for the collective.
>>8196063
And I say that on account of the fact that she was a Feminist Muslim, she is a perfect example of the regressive left, and that area of the regressive left in particular.
You're literally ignoring details for your own benefit.
>>8196067
I thought you said you filtered me? What's up, do you have a crush on me, or get a boner from calling me a tranny? Maybe you're the tranny.
>>8196078
WHEN DID I SAY THAT?
OH, YOU MADE IT UP.
UGLY TRANNY BK 2 TUMBLR
>>8196073
read between the lines
>>8196081
How edgy. Did you read Stirner for the first time yesterday or something?
>>8196077
>She is a feminist
>She is also a Muslim
>Therefore she is le regressive left.
I don't follow. Muslims are allowed to be feminists and vice versa.
how to filter annoying tripfags:
1.highlight the tripcode in question (in this case !!DQ4uaSYakfr)
2.Click the little triangle next to the post number
3.Click "filter selected text"
4.Under "type" select "tripcode"
5.Check the "hide" box.
enjoy your improved browsing experience
>>8196086
Well you keep screaming at people not to take my beautifully crafted bait and to filter me, I just thought the reasonable assumption with that logic is you filter me, because there wouldn't be a reason for you not to if you type in all caps encouraging it.
UGLY TRANNY BK 2 /POL/
>>8196097
CHOKE ON A DICK TRANNY
YOU'LL PROBABLY BE DEAD IN A COUPLE OF YEARS
>>8196094
The rules, guidelines, and methods of Islam that apply to women are directly in contrast to the doctrines of feminism. I don't see what you don't understand.
>>8196096
I can change my trip. Or I could post without one. Either way, you shouldn't be encouraging me to post without one again. I am doing you an honest favor.
Also, /lit/ has always had trips that annoy you, calm down.
![Derrida_main[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/jG29cC0.jpg "Derrida_main[1].jpg")
Why are so many leftists pseuds and charlatans? Is it because Marxism is inherently a shallow ideology reliant upon obfuscation? If somebody's a posturing jackass in the academic world, 9/10 times they're also a socially progressive leftist
>>8196091
I've been found
This whole time I've been fucking with you
>>8196101
CHOKE ON A DICK TRANNY
YOU'LL PROBABLY BE DEAD IN A COUPLE OF YEARS
>>8196096
Thanks, the thread looks a lot cleaner now
>>8196094
>Islam
>Feminism
Pick ONE
>>8196105
There's more than one kind of feminism and the same could be said of Christianity or (especially) Judaism.
This has never stopped Christians or Jews from being feminists.
>>8196107
>Why are so many leftists pseuds and charlatans?
Other way around actually.
>>8196118
why are so many leftists charlatans and pseuds?
>>8196114
Bro, have you ever even met a Muslim?
>>8196031
>LTV
Marx didn't invent this you know.
>>8196031
>LTV is wrong
Nice propaganda.
>>8196122
I said other way around. Why are so many fascists and reactionaries throughout the 20th and 21st centuries proved psuedos and proved frauds?
>>8196123
Unfortunately I live in an area infested with them. They've recently grown so out of control that they've started putting large bags over their women, I suspect to beat and rape them with less visibility
>>8196117
And there's the strawman. What makes you think that I don't believe reconciling feminism with Christianity and/or Judaism isn't also an example of regressivism? You've projected a false image of me to substantiate your preordained beliefs.
>>8196114
I agree, but the same applies to Christianity.
>>8196132
hmm...
>>8196117
>There's more than one kind of feminism
Yes, and not all are progressive.
Idiot.
>>8196124
i know, he modified the version used by ricardo and smith
given that he modified it and it's often central to his thought - and it's particularly key to his economics it basically makes marxist economics wrong
it's telling that modern marxist economics tends to at the very least update it or change it or forget it entirely
>>8196129
sraffa was right
>>8196143
No I'm not.
>>8196138
I haven't. I just hoped it would help illustrate how retarded you're being to expect every religious person to be super-duper traditionalist and any other interpretation is just being a hypocrite.
>>8196147
The fuck kind of argument is this?
Islam and Christianity emphasize that women are supposed to submit to their husbands, so neither is consistent with feminism. But almost every religious person ignores most of their holy book and just draws from secular values anyway.
>>8196143
Except that's true, most fascists and reactionaries in the 20th, let fucking alone 21st century, are laughed out of wherever they are until they're left shouting conspiratorial nonsense to fellow idiots on television as right wing American radio hosts and shock jocks. This is basically undeniable.
>>8196149
>Workers make all the stuff
>Somehow LTV isn't true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifoH4jy4IsE&feature=youtu.be
LET'S TRIGGER KEKS
If you don't worship the altar of pure secular altruism then you're a regressive leftist.
>>8196151
Now you're going off on a completely irrelevant tangent to make yourself look better. Want another chance?
>>8196161
workers making stuff doesn't mean marx's definition of value is at all useful as a price mechanism
>>8196161
labour doesn't effect the fertility of land yet that has an effect on its value
>>8196159
>because progressives in the media and academia don't give respect to rightists, leftists are more authentic
What kind of retarded argument is this? Stop posting, you're embarrassing yourself
>>8196155
What the fuck don't you understand? Your implication is that since there are versions of feminism that conform to religious standards, these versions aren't regressive since they are still nonetheless "feminism", which is utter bullshit. Stop being so goddamn dense.
>>8196173
Do you know how academia works? If it doesn't survive scrutiny, it's fucking wrong. Live and thrive with it or leave academia, as you are not seriously considering finding truths, you are however seriously considering finding ways to cry about how unfair life is. Hypocritically mostly.
>>8196149
LTV is right tho, the less labor involved in production the lower the cost and the thinner the profit, this is why labor intensive things like healthcare or education cost so fucking much, while capital intensive things like computer chips and dvd players get cheaper and cheaper
ignore the LTV at your own peril
don't reply to xir
>>8196189
You have zero evidence she's a tranny, why don't you stop bitching about trips. The one thing I'll agree with her on is you shits bitching about trips being more annoying than trips themselves
>>8196170
Marx uses it as a price mechanism because he points out that market exchanges cannot be an imbalanced source of surplus on the basis of use value. In Marx's analysis the surplus value comes from the labour of the worker. He made the thing, the bourgie then sells the thing at an agreed upon price, then the worker gets a pittance of that with the remainder being profit.
>
Hence, we see that behind all attempts to represent the circulation of commodities as a source of surplus-value, there lurks a quid pro quo, a mixing up of use-value and exchange-value. For instance, Condillac says: “[Condillac's Argument]” [8] We see in this passage, how Condillac not only confuses use-value with exchange-value, but in a really childish manner assumes, that in a society, in which the production of commodities is well developed, each producer produces his own means of subsistence, and throws into circulation only the excess over his own requirements.
> But commodities are not paid for twice over, once on account of their use-value, and again on account of their value. And though the use-value of a commodity is more serviceable to the buyer than to the seller, its money-form is more serviceable to the seller. Would he otherwise sell it? We might therefore just as well say that the buyer performs "strictly an act of production,” by converting stockings, for example, into money.
The so-called refutations of LTV always put forward Marx's terms very disingenuously.
>>8196189
I shouldn't be replying to a tranny, but could you please stop accusing me of being a tranny since you are a tranny.
>>8196195
xi once said the doctor who removed xir balls and sewed on xir teets wore crocs, so not only is xi a tranny but also goes for low cost boob jobs from 3rd rate surgeons with bad taste
>>8196181
>mplication is that since there are versions of feminism that conform to religious standards, these versions aren't regressive since they are still nonetheless "feminism
That wasn't my implication at all.
My implication is that there's no such fucking thing as "regressive". And this whole retardation hinges on viewing both feminists and Muslims as monolithic abstractions.
>>8196205
What the fuck
>>8196168
I'm not.
You just seem to have an extremely short term memory.
>>8196205
the xi thing only applies to people who dont consider themselves male or female
>>8196132
>Why are so many fascists and reactionaries throughout the 20th and 21st centuries proved psuedos and proved frauds?
How can they be pseuds when they don't even claim to be intellectuals, and in what way are they frauds?
>>8196205
>Xir
Kill me pls
DONGS
>>8196246
Nice, very nice.
>>8196129
>>8196161
>>8196188
>>8196202
If LTV is correct why is it if I spend 1 hour sucking dick, I can only get £10 but if the bitch in pic related spends 1 hour sucking dick, she gets £100? It's the same amount of labour time so it should be the same price but it ain't.
Checkmate atheists.
>>8196258
Maybe if you worked out the labour invested in the gym would return profits in sucking dick.
>>8196182
>Do you know how academia works?
Yes, it's mostly politics, backbiting, and sucking up to as many superiors as possible
>If it doesn't survive scrutiny, it's fucking wrong
That's true in empirical sciences that rely on studies which can be consistently replicated and falsified. But in the humanities, the vast majority of what somebody is positing as the truth is simply that--a postulate. Not fact. Replication is a joke and obfuscation and defense in preferred to opening one's work to falsification.
Theories and opinions don't magically transform into objective truths because lots of social science majors sit agree that it sounds good to their ears.
Question accepted doctrine, seriously challenge everybody around you, and you've just lost your career and shot at tenure
You sound seriously gullible to forms of authority.
>>8196258
You vastly under estimate the income of gigolos and the popularity of homosexuality.
>>8196105
America is a Christian country that doesn't even stone non virgin women that attempt to marry. Disappointing desu
>>8196270
The right is more gullible to forms of authority than anyone currently. The current American right is a fucking mess to the point of centering their focus on an infamous real estate con man.
There is little to prevent the right from avoiding things like this altogether, and to adapt, they simply have not, and don't.
what does /lit/ think of zizek
>>8196282
>zizek
Pretty Cool Guy
>>8196270
Academia is infallible you fucking pleb
>>8196286
why
>>8196281
...how does that have anything to with what I said? I don't really care about how your team you vote for is better than the team you don't vote for. Next time don't respond if you're incapable of reading my post
>>8196281
>The right is more gullible to forms of authority than anyone currently
[citation needed]
>real estate con man
[citation needed]
>''i think i'm right and everyone else is wrong, so progressive, le left is the only right path, every1 else is rong and rryt wing loons''
keep posting faggot
>>8195934
But even liberals and leftists call out other liberals and leftists for being regressive.
>>8196302
he's pretty funny lol
>>8196307
How is "I think I'm right anyone else is wrong" any different from her, from the alt right?
If you want evidence of how Trump runs everything into the ground look at fucking his "promises" to restore Atlantic City. He fucked up and everyone suffered for it. Look at Trump University. You must be a fool to have Trump as your fucking candidate you rally behind. And you must be clinically dead to defend his character.
>>8195952
>edits
>of my dank meme
:^)
>>8195991
Those aren't real leftists cause they act in the interest of certain groups rather than the majority. Left wing politics is at it's core pure populism for the whole of humanity or in other words equality for everyone. Nationalism is a left wing concept but now people think it's right wing. Democracy and equal treatment under the law are left wing concepts. Individualism isn't a bad thing there's a limit due to human communities and how society functions. I'm not a socialist but I support mixed economy. I'm not a capitalist cause I know untethered free enterprise ignores the family unit and runs off of profit. I am in favor of local democratic community control of production as an alternative to both free market capitalism and the excessively bureaucratic welfare state. I consider myself a communitarian (no it's not the same as communism)
>>8196335
>I am in favor of local democratic community control of production
pure fantasy
>>8196335
>Left wing politics is at it's core pure populism for the whole of humanity or in other words equality for everyone.
That is why they will always be terrible.
>Democracy and equal treatment under the law are left wing concepts.
They're both horrible concepts. Not doing yourself any favours here.
>Individualism isn't a bad thing
Mein Gott...
Hehehe hello guys, what's going on here ;)
>>8196350
>Not being a Marxist out of self interest
>>8196345
literally alt-right faggot: the post
*tips fedora*
>>8196188
you think factoring the cost of labour is unique to LTV?
>>8196202
a basic understanding of marginalism adequately explains the uselessness of the concept of surplus value
people might put forward marx's ltv disingenuously but it is also a slightly slippery concept, and phrases such as socially necessary are loose and unhelpful
plenty of people sympathetic to a lot of what marx wrote(myself included) have sadly come to the understanding that it is bunk, modern economics is a rigorous discipline and does not take LTV seriously, it simply doesn't account for pricing well enough compared to marginal theories and market mechanisms
i would generally direct people who think marx might be on to something to critiques by piero sraffa, joan robinson and peter wolff - these 3 don't go over it disingenuously and critique it well
pricing mechanisms of the market don't take away from the worker, the lazy capitalist owner does not exploit labour - they put far more risk up for a business than labour does, surplus value is a fairly useless idea - especially taking into account the poor performance of collective firms in comparison and putting so much emphasis on labour ignores too many of parts of the production process
>>8196322
what about his not so left leftism
>>8196362
>How Can Anyone Disagree With My Worldview? It's 2016!: The Post
>>8196355
>yet another Marxist adopts Stirner out of an embarrassing misreading because he wants to meme too
>>8196366
>pricing mechanisms of the market don't take away from the worker, the lazy capitalist owner does not exploit labour
>>8196342
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workers%27_self-management
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workers%27_council
>>8196345
>That is why they will always be terrible.
So how do you explain the success of the Civil Rights movement, slavery abolitionists, LGBT rights, women's rights, etc. Really seems like the right have completely lost on social issues.
>They're both horrible concepts. Not doing yourself any favours here.
So you'd really rather have the government tell you what to do. You don't want to have ANY say if they want to send to die in a war or if you should have nay rights at all? I thought conservatives don't want the government to be able to boss them around.
>Mein Gott...
le german Nazi meme, if they were so great why did the fail and there's been no nationwide movement like them since?
So when did you realize /pol/ is satire?
>>8196303
Then what kind of right do you want? The academic right mostly focuses on the economic, and demands entry to the philosophical as well. Are we talking an older right, traditionalism, of some kind? That's never going to be representative and you know why, it's because it's hostile to everything that isn't it.
Most of the right is exactly what you see in America and on campus, so what exactly is you want? I said Donald Trump, because it shows just how far the right has fallen in America, now it's going to be taken even less seriously professionally in the circles you want to be in question.
>>8196380
>Really seems like the right have completely lost on social issues.
For now. Historically illiterate Marxists don't realize that history is not linear, but cyclical. The pendulum will swing back, and we're arguably seeing the start of it - thanks to people getting tired of the 'Regressive Left', at last.
>So you'd really rather have the government tell you what to do. You don't want to have ANY say if they want to send to die in a war or if you should have nay rights at all? I thought conservatives don't want the government to be able to boss them around.
If you want to operate with extremes, be my guest.
>>8196376
>He's an egoist
>He's not some variety of radical leftist as well
Unless you are rich as fuck this is indefensible.
>>8196323
>le alt-right is one person
let me guess, you're always right?
>turned 1 million into 10 billion
How exactly is that running everything into the ground? What do you do? What have you done? Other than sit and shit post on the internet and browse Tumblr?
>You must be a fool to have Trump as your fucking candidate
>must
[citation needed]
>You must be clinically dead to defend his character
>must
Nice opinion, bro! [citation needed]
NOT A SINGLE ARGUMENT
>>8196373
>Democracy and equal treatment under the law are horrible concepts
So you don't want democracy? People shouldn't be allowed to participate in the decision making that affects their lives? You don't want the rule of law? You want the law to treat certain people with favour and discriminate against others? How is this just?
>>8196386
>Not knowing how left wing Trump is
>Thinking "conservatives" are right wing, they're classical liberals
>Not knowing how regressive "progressives" actually are.
They're both god awful anyway hun.
>>8196377
they simply don't anon, not in a way useful for building a coherent economic theory anyway
you can find examples of workers being 'exploited', but exploited in a more general sense and not the way that marx used it
>>8196380
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workers%27_self-management
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workers%27_council
This is pure fantasy. The economies of scale necessary to have the output we are used to can not be achieved by local democratic worker councils. The economy would come to a standstill if you attempted this fantasy.
>>8195788
I don't understand what self-respecting adult thinks the mechanism of society can be operated like a community garden. At the very least, have the balls to be an autocratic communist.
>>8196390
>He actually fell for Donald Trump having ten billion
oh my gosh!
>>8196394
>So you don't want democracy? People shouldn't be allowed to participate in the decision making that affects their lives?
Democracy has proven itself to be consistently terrible. The time has long since come for us to transcend it; though sadly, we are held back by idiots like you, who believe in concepts such as 'just(ice', and no doubt silly things like 'good' and 'evil' too.
>>8196390
>How exactly is that running everything into the ground?
Trump running Atlantic Cities small businesses that supported him, his investors, his shareholders, his credibility, all into the final nail on the coffin, that's all fucking academic. He generated billions of debt to go through legal loop hole to gain income.
As Donald Trump says, he's the "King of Debt". If you want America looking more like New Jersey you're a fucking idiot and I hate you, everyone hates you.
>>8196411
>King of Debt
That's hilarious. I was joking with my friend when I called him out on making a simplistic observation and he said "I'm the king of simplistic observations" that it sounded like something Trump would say.
>>8196396
>Not knowing how left wing Trump is
Trump is not a political creature, he gives a shit only about himself, and to a lesser extent his offspring. He's doing this for money, not ideology.
>Thinking "conservatives" are right wing, they're classical liberals
Hardly.
>Not knowing how regressive "progressives" actually are.
That's not a shining example of why the other team is so better. It simply is not. It's not regressive, it's outright destructive and bathes in its own stupidity and filth. At least the left doesn't end up voting a majority for Donald fucking Trump. Jesus Christ this whole election season is laughable.
>>8196402
Post proof that he doesn't? Or five billion? Whatever it is...
Again, what do you do? Other than just sit and shit post. How can you criticise the man for business failure when you literally know nothing about business? Where are your companies? Where is your profit? Why should anyone care what you have to say?
Oh! That's right! It's because you grew up on Tumblr and other indoctrination and you argue as if you believe you're right... because you genuinely believe that you are! It's not your fault though...
>>8196411
>he doesn't know how business works
>he doesn't know what capitalism is
>he wouldn't be posting on his iphone on 4chan without either of these things though
>you're a fucking idiot and I hate you, everyone hates you.
[citation needed]
Keep living in your fantasy world, my man! One day you'll get it, or maybe you won't. I don't care either way. Meanwhile, men like Trump (whether likeable or not) will continue to shape your everyday life, because they can.
>>8195889
>people just aren't smart enough to see they're being duped.
To this day I can't decide if this fact speaks for or against democracy.
>>8196407
Democracy is not perfect but it's better than any other system that came before it.
>believe in concepts such as 'just(ice', and no doubt silly things like 'good' and 'evil' too.
Ah, so you're just trolling then.
>>8195788
I've never understood this Pepe. Is there a particular reason his finger is behind his lips as if he's trying to remove it?
>>8196388
That makes no sense.
1790's French Revolution. Nationalism and Republicanism take over and BTFO monarchy
1860's slavery ends
1960's civil rights passes
1920's women gain right to vote
1970's environmental legislation passes
2015 Gays can actually marry in every state
No politician dares challenge those things. Trump isn't even challenging any of those things and he's actually left wing.
>If you want to operate with extremes, be my guest.
Top kuck
>>8196422
You're right, an openly Socialist Jewish cuckold (in the literal sense of the word) is so much better...
>>8196389
I'm not an egoist, it's just that Stirner's thought is completely contradictory to Marxism. It's fine if you want to abolish the state and have a revolution, but stop posting memes of Stirner to act smug if you haven't even read what he wrote. "spook" is not a catch-all term for examples of ideologies you don't like
>>8196431
Hello, Churchill.
>Ah, so you're just trolling then.
Enjoy your slave morality. I can smell the ressentiment from here...
>>8196434
>No politician dares challenge those things
You're not paying attention.
>>8196422
>He's doing this for money, not ideology
[citation needed]
and even if he was, so what? obama was likely doing it to be the first black president, but i bet you still loved him though?
>It's not regressive,
LOLOLOL
> it's outright destructive and bathes in its own stupidity and filth
the left does this also, if you don't believe this to be true... you are simply a fucking fantasist.
>>8196427
>Post proof that he doesn't? Or five billion? Whatever it is...
I simply do not need to post proof Donald Trump has ten billion. If he did he wouldn't be conning people out of their retirement with Trump University. Actual rich people con everyone on a much larger scale, ie see The Koch Brothers.
>Again, what do you do? Other than just sit and shit post. How can you criticise the man for business failure when you literally know nothing about business? Where are your companies? Where is your profit? Why should anyone care what you have to say?
hahahahahaha do you know where you are
>Oh! That's right! It's because you grew up on Tumblr and other indoctrination and you argue as if you believe you're right
Tumblr, for all its dumb shittery, is like a fucking utopia compared to /pol/. I don't go there anymore though.
>>8196407
It has to be more than a coincidence that all countries with democratic governmental systems provide their people with the highest standard of living. The only exception is maybe Saudi Arabia.
>>8196427
Trump doesn't shape anyone's everyday life, he barely scrapes off trying to hide the fact he only has 550 mil.
Some people call it Marxism. I just call it Judaism.
>>8196452
And this is the problem with Marxist, and indeed most post-Enlightenment thought; everything is measured on monetary/material terms.
>>8196452
It has to be more than a coincidence that all countries with white people provide their people with the highest standard of living. The only exception is maybe Japan.
>>8196345
>invoking zizek when you made two equally pure ideology post
>>8196467
Same goes for Quality of Life and Health tho.
>>8196447
>I simply do not need to post proof
Enough said
>hahahahahaha do you know where you are
Yes. But i'm not calling successful businessmen failures, am I? Retard.
> I don't go there anymore though.
Sure.
Also, what the fuck does /pol/ have to do with anything? I don't browse /pol/. You can keep shouting that though, as if everyone who isn't a moronic leftist ''progressive'' must be from /pol/ and or a nazi.
>>8196457
>only 550mm
Lmao, again, WHAT DO YOU DO? What are your accomplishments? Where are your businesses?
You're stupid and you think you're smart.
>>8196422
How is he doing anything for money? He's already rich as fuck and has spend millions out of pocket for his campaign. I'm not even a Trump supporter btw.
Yes what we call conservative in American today is actually classical liberalism. Why else do you thing Republicans and Libertarians are so closely allied?
What I mean to say is those regressive are actually right wing. See:>>8196335
>>8196399
Nice strawman. Keep shilling for more NEETbux and maybe your corporate master will give you a raise. I'm sure the wealth will trickle down any day now.
>>8196473
Those are still material concerns.
>>8196478
>How is he doing anything for money? He's already rich as fuck
If he had ten billion why isn't he self funding his campaign harder like anyone would? If he has ten billion, and seriously wants to become president, why isn't he putting it all to good use?
This is a publicity stunt, and you all fell for it, because you are stupid. You are part of a circus act.
>>8196476
>Also, what the fuck does /pol/ have to do with anything? I don't browse /pol/.
You'd fit right in.
>You can keep shouting that though
Ok.
>as if everyone who isn't a moronic leftist ''progressive'' must be from /pol/ and or a nazi.
I never said that, I just am correctly assuming you aren't a very intelligent person to fall for all of this.
>>8196478
>Why else do you thing Republicans and Libertarians are so closely allied?
Follow the comfortable money
>>8196468
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index#Past_top_countries
>What is Singapore?
>What is Macau?
>What is Hong Kong?
>What is South Korea?
>What is Taiwan?
>What is Brunei?
I only stopped coz I reached Saudi Arabia
>>8196467
The material is the only real, retard.
>>8196488
Trump has spent less than any other major candidate and won the GOP primaries. Jeb Bush was spending ridiculous amounts and was stuck at 3% support.
>why isn't he spending he self funding his campaign harder
He doesn't need to spend like crazy to win. He's practically living proof that a lot of money isn't needed to gain people's support. It's his charisma and playing the media like a fiddle that are giving him free publicity.
>>8196508
I think your Dunce hat is a little too tight.
>>8196510
>Trump has spent less than any other major candidate and won the GOP primaries.
Romney won the GOP primaries. Primaries do not equate general victory. They mean how gulible your base can be, nothing more.
>Jeb Bush was spending ridiculous amounts and was stuck at 3% support.
The problem here isn't about spending, it's about strategy. Trump currently is getting gang banged on all sides of the aisle, every bit of his plump orange ass is being filled with the collective cummies of the Government, the media, the business world, and the international world.
If any time was a good time to fire out ads in states to minimize loss from getting fucked so hard, it would be now. But he's not doing that. If he actually believes he can win based on his primary strategy after every new scandal comes out, he's wrong. Now, this could all change, but right now Trump is shedding potential voters fast and he just doesn't seem to give a fuck, but reports from inside say the entire campaign staff is panicking.
The month of June alone has cost Trump millions of potential voters, I don't think he can survive this non stop gang bang until November arrives.
And he's manipulated people in the past, he knows this. I am positive this was just a publicity stunt gone out of control. After he announced running for president from Trump tower, he moved down on his own fucking elevator giving a thumbs up to the press and released a book for fucks sakes, how much more does the right need.
Anyways, he's at a net loss now, so his plan, if it is a plan, is not working anymore. He's funneling campaign cash into his own companies like mad, with no care if the press finds out.
>>8196528
Keep being spooked
Jeb should have been the Republican candidate desu senpai
>>8196500
Hong Kong is kind of an odd duck as a political entity. I wouldn't count it in any sort of list. Although I wasn't aware of those others. I thought South Korea was democratic.
>>8196531
>Romney won the GOP primaries
And he lost and it was a wake up call for the GOP
>Primaries do not equate general victory.
I know how elections work but that's not what we're talking about
>They mean how gulible your base can be, nothing more.
That applies to every party since elections have become nothing but popularity contests. This is common knowledge and it's why there's so many independent voters these day such as myself.
>The problem here isn't about spending, it's about strategy.
That' exactly what I'm saying when I say he hasn't spent a whole lot but kept winning.
>Trump currently is getting gang banged on all sides of the aisle
He already has been for whole year now and it hasn't stopped him so far. I don't know or care if he wins or loses the general election but this country will suffer under Clinton who is just Obama 2.0.
>>8196541
Typical leftie, backing losers.
>>8196541
I was ironically a marxist lately for an essay I wrote for a summer class. Mostly just thought it would make the essay more fun and challenging though.
>>8196568
>And he lost and it was a wake up call for the GOP
Going in the opposite direction, is not a certifiable victory. It is another way to alienate voters and lose. The GOP is a mess, has been since George Bush jr, this won't save it. It will kill it.
>That applies to every party since elections have become nothing but popularity contests.
That's my point.
>That' exactly what I'm saying when I say he hasn't spent a whole lot but kept winning.
And I'm saying the primaries are getting your base to vote for you, not the entire nation. Then it changes. Donald Trump cannot rely on his primary voters only for general election victory, that's losing. Right now he's even shedding his primary voters.
>He already has been for whole year now and it hasn't stopped him so far.
Because those were the primaries.
>I don't know or care if he wins or loses the general election but this country will suffer under Clinton who is just Obama 2.0.
And it would also suffer under Trump. Nobody wins this election.
>>8195788
homines in tabula hac sine deridente Marxī sunt.
>>8195909
Less than capitalism, surely, if we are playing the ideologies kill people game
>>8196484
Which is the only thing a government ought to be in charge of.
>>8196622
Dude, shut up
Unrepentant
>>8196891
I can't imagine wasting that much time.
To paraphrase Schopenhauer; read good books, for life is short. Everyone ITT, don't make the mistake of this retard.
>>8196894
If I wanted to read an awful book I'd give Evola a spin
>all these anti-intellectuals
>all these mediocre pseudo-intellectuals
Dignity seems to be something that people on this board do not know. Stop embarrassing yourself like this
>>8196031
t. someone who has read classical political economy, marx, keynes or anything that isnt freakonomics
>>8196039
this desu senpai. liberals are not leftists!
>>8195788
>there are anti-Marxists on /lit/, in THIS thread, who don't have an understanding of Marxism
Talk about ideology!
>>8196170
marx isn't trying to create a price mechanism. idiot
>>8196172
>plowing and irrigation have no effect on the fertility of land
>>8196031
>concepts like exploitation fall flat against rigorous economic analysis
>>8196366
>socially necessary are loose and unhelpful
and marginal utility is a rock solid theory?
totally circular desu
>>8195909
None. Many have been killed because of state planning, however.
>>8196441
he clearly advocates for appropriation of private property. what is a union of egoists but communism stripped of its spooks?
>>8196922
hasn't. fuck!
>>8196900
Evola's works are good, though.
>>8196397
>spend your life working to make someone else rich
>work place dictatorship
>not explotation
>>8195806
ayyyyy
>>8196891
Marx does not justify reading so many books on him.
Honestly, just Das Kapital and maybe a biography ought to be enough to thuroughly understand him.
Marx made a lot of good critiques of modern society, he is as important a figure to the modern world as Plato, Nietzsche, or Freud.
I am a Marxist Conservative honestly, I am not a lesser capitalist but a better one for understanding its weaknesses as Marx so well outlined in Kapital.
>>8197079
How would you fix capitalism?
>>8196478
>Keep shilling for more NEETbux and maybe your corporate master will give you a raise. I'm sure the wealth will trickle down any day now.
Nice false dichotomy.
The only two options aren't Neoliberal, trickle down economics vs. workers councils/syndicates. You can have a proper mixed economy with a strong welfare state, public services and wage growth with proper government intervention in to the market.
>>8196625
Savages aren't people
>>8197079
the entire Marxist perspective of opposing classes of society has made a fucking mess of sociology. It isn't constructive it creates conflict.
>>8197133
>unironically social democrat
>>8197141
How shelteted do you have to be.
>>8197152
Address the point, dividing people into literally opposing classes is harmful. You can address inequality without making into a fucking football match
>>8197146
>Not being socdem/market socialist
REMOVE NAZI
REMOVE MARXIST
REMOVE NECKBEARD MONARCHISTS
>>8197157
Marxist don't divide people they describe the divisions that exist.
>>8197157
conflict is the nature of man, without a force to fight against our teeth grow dull, our muscles grow slack, our brains go to mush and our spines turn to jelly.
>>8197146
You can mock social democracy all you want but the most prosperous time in economic history was the 30 years post 2nd World War when policies akin to social democracy were pursued.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post%E2%80%93World_War_II_economic_expansion
>>8197166
Yea these meaningless anecdotes may sound cool in your mind but they prove nothing.
>>8197165
They zero in on a few divisions and ignore reality's much more complex and less homogeneous power structures.
>>8197168
If you're going to run a capitalist market economy it needs to be Keynesian. Chicago school is literally ruining the world.
