Gimme a list of the most cynical, mean, pessimistic, hopeless writers you can think of. I want to read something that will shred every last bit of light within me.
>>8191977
Emil Cioran if you like pessimistic philosophy.
Try this and a bunch of stuff by Ian Banks (not Ian M. Banks).
>>8191977
Seneca
Schopenhauer
Lovecraft
Poe
>>8192001
No, thank you.
>>8191994
>Schopenhauer
This
However, Poe and Lovecraft weren't exactly what you would call "cynical"
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>>8192001
He's asking for books to read. A whole lot better than anything you've ever done on this forum.
>>8191977
Cioran
>>8191977
Gass
Believe it or not, Dan Barrett, lead singer of Have a Nice Life, Black Wing and Giles Corey is an exceptional author. No, seriously. Most of his albums (the physical copies) come with 150+ page booklets that elaborate on the subject matter of their respective albums. They're usually full of obscure references to historical figures and ancient fables n shit.
I really like the booklet that comes with Deathconsciousness. It's just as depressing as the music on the record. It's a nihilistic, seething, hateful little article.
Celiné
Gaddis gets more and more disgusted as he gets older until you get to Agape Agapē and he is dripping venom
>>8192108
A lot of /mu/core artists are great writers, actually. Take Michael Gira, for example. The Consumer is full of really morbid, awful fictional vignettes, each one worse than the last.
>>8191977
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>>8192165
that book is just a series of surreal atrocities, holy shit. blacker than black.
>>8192118
This but you spelled his name wrong. Thomas Bernhard as well.
what about charles bukowski
Leviathan by Thomas Hobbes. Since its publication, every political thinker in history has been cucked by Hobbes.
Just watch some Bob Ross you sad little teenager
>>8191977
take the black pill
>>8192580
Nobody has ever taken the black pill and survived.
>>8192643
No one's ever survived, period
>>8191977
Jude the Obscure. Hardy
>>8192165
fucking hell, I downloaded this after seeing this post
some fucked up shit
>>8192165
Agreed, Peter Sotos is another great example. He writes a disturbing amount about child pornography and traumatic experiences in childhood.
The funny thing about Barrett, Gira and Sotos is that they're all really friendly in real life but the subject matter they choose to write about is often morbid and shocking.
>>8192764
How can they draw them so unbearably smug
Phillip Larkin is about as bitter as it gets without being exaggerated
>>8192165
https://youtu.be/5ysyB_rhAWs
Here's a cool spoken word piece by him for those that want to get an idea of what he's about
>>8192001
/lit/ is the worst board, why wouldn't it have the worst trip users.
>>8194336
God, he was so different in the 80s and 90s than he is now. Totally different person.
>>8191977
Sponge boy, me bob!
philip mainländer
>Influenced by Arthur Schopenhauer's philosophical reinterpretation of Buddhism, Mainländer put forth the fundamental thesis that, if life required suffering (the worst of all being endless and indistinct boredom), then immortality would have to be simply unbearable. And so, Mainländer concluded, the sole immortal entity to have ever existed (God, or whatever was most analogous to it) had committed suicide by becoming our Universe -- as Mainländer put it, "the will, ignited by the perception that non-being is better than being, is the supreme principle of all morality." Thus, the remnants of the death of our Creator set forth the Creation; the unity shattered into a disjointed plurality.
>>8194336
I'm surprised he let that album cover go through. It looks very black metal, and Gira has always hated black metal, regardless of how much he's changed over the years.
>>8191977
Dostoyevsky's characters in Notes From Underground and Crime And Punishment fill that role but I don't know if Dostoyevsky himself counts as that type of writer.
Ryunosuke Akutagawa's short autobiography "Life Of A Stupid Man" fills that description. It might be hard to find but try get it online. It's short and cheap to buy but really made an impact on me.
I'm currently reading, thanks to a /lit/ infograph, "No Longer Human" by Osamu Dazai. It's supposedly an autobiographical text and the protagonist is really... depressing in every sense.
"The Outsider" by Lovecraft is also worth mentioning because it tackles the main theme in each of the other texts I've mentioned.
>>8194447
I mean, the thing's from 1984, so the most black metal thing around was, what, Mercyful Fate?
>>8195219
Venom and Bathory were both around then too anon, the 80's was the first wave of black metal.
>>8195250
Sure, but I guess what I mean to say is that the stereotypical "black metal album cover" hadn't really been codified yet. Bathory, Venom, Mercyful Fate, etc, all had more "professional" artwork, which I feel isn't too terribly similar to what we're looking at here. To me, the cover is more reminiscent of early industrial artwork than anything else.
>>8195274
I disagree. Look at the cover of what's arguably Venom's most famous album, Black Metal. There's a whole heap of similarities in the style.
Bathory has it to some degree in their name, too, and the general style of their album covers, including the debut.
It's very similar.
>>8191991
nice meme
>>8194319
jap magic?
here's a list i found
https://www.goodreads.com/shelf/show/pessimism
>>8194445
That's the dude that hung himself using copies of his unsold books to jump off of.
Wallace of oblivion is delightfully bleak and mean. Much less worried about comforting himself than in IJ
>>8192171
This.
>>8192001
hubris imp strikes again.
>>8195289
>I Hate This Place: The Pessimist's Guide to Life
Is it actually good?
>>8192001
le hard filtered
>>8192580
don't read this op
>>8197477
Not OP, but why would you tell him that?
>>8197593
it's too bleak and too convincing
can't unsee: the book
All of them
>>8197624
I don't know. I think it's best to read that book as soon as possible precisely because of those reasons; it's the ultimate existential crisis and you will get over it, not by disproving anything he says, but just by not giving a shit.
I say it's much better to have one massive existential crisis and be depressed for a few months than to have lots of little ones that ultimately lead you to the same conclusion anyway.
I know it's all meaningless and I don't really care, now I can start to enjoy life.
>>8191977
Gaddis and, even more, Gass, who has more spit than any author ever, even Celine.
>>8192108
Father John misty is publishing a book soon
>>8194336
That's pretty bad, but at least he tries to have some sort of rhythm. Like ninety-nine percent of people, Gira is all bark and no bite.
>>8196907
This collection is analogous to Wallace proverbially pushing himself towards the edge of a cliff with and the ideas constellate with his IRL suicide which is a kind of belligerently melancholy for the reader
V good thread btw
>>8198378
How to Make Tasteless Tryhards Wet Without Even Trying: a Life
>>8198399
L m a o
That's really funny. Didn't know that. Would sell my body to have this on audiobook read by Misty himself, perhaps even singing passages
>>8198357
good point desu.
some people might never get to that point by themselves though
>>8192224
Bukowski is about the little eking out living with what cards you've been dealt. Small victories in some sense
>>8198357
will this really be beneficial? pls don't meme on me
>>8200176
Ignorance is bliss I suppose.
>>8200354
Probably in the long run it will be, but the book might make you depressed for real.
I was seriously depressed because of a lot of things but one being that everything is meaningless.
It took a few years but I got over it (also with a therapist) and I think my life is more enjoyable and I can embrace the meaningless in order to live my life the way I really want to.
I think that any and all illusions of importance will eventually be destroyed and the person will hit that point in their life where they become depressed and hopeless but then lots of people try to rebuild the illusions which only sets them up for another fall. I'll leave them all destroyed and just get used to it.
Then I realize that the illusions weren't really all that get to begin with and that things are much better the way they are.
I love life.
>>8200402
Are you saying that its okay to be alive? What are you, a faggot or something?
>>8200354
If falling into a severe depression is what you need to turn your life around, then yes it's beneficial.
Kafka by far. The problem with Cioran and the conspiracy against the human race guy is that they're maudlin. It's not even dark, it's like a little kid who complains about everything.
Kafka's Zurau aphorisms will make you feel hungry for the light, but it NEVER FUCKING COMES. It is dynamic (unlike static edginess, there is always the tantalizing hint of paradise), thus it will fuck your shit up
Story of the eye
>>8202704
why not recommend some happy tree friends to go with it
>>8202698
>Ligotti is maudlin
>Kafka is not
I don't think you know what maudlin is
Ligotti is the deal beaker
>>8202716
I think there's an "exit-core" chart somewhere.
>>8191994
>Seneca
stoicism is hardly anything OP asks for.
>>8202716
schops, ligotti, benetar, zapffe, cioran is starter pack
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