Say you accept the sisyphean nature of existence, like Camus describes it. Is there an opposite reaction to the "happy Sisyphus"?
I mean, it sounds absurd (kek) to happily stroll along when the Absurd strikes you with shit just like if it stroked you with the good things. Maybe I understood it wrong but I read it as accepting the bullshit and not fighting back. Help a friend to try and understand better existentialism, I've been struggling with it for a while.
>>8164640
Suicide.
>>8164643
Accept it or kill yourself, is it that extreme?
>>8164640
>i read it as accepting the bullshit and not fighting back
it's more acknowledging the inherent absurdity of the world and, more importantly, recognizing that it is immeasurably larger than you. "Fighting back" is a foolish response against an infinite system that doesn't acknowledge you.
>>8164645
As I understand it:
>Accept it
Camus isn't arguing for a passive acceptance, he is arguing for a kind of rebellion that admits hopelessness.
>kill yourself
Not necessarily meaning a physical suicide. You could commit philosophical suicide by taking a leap of faith, etc.
>>8164648
This. And there is almost a feeling of Sisyphus transcending the absurdity while he trudges through his own absurd task.
>>8164660
>he is arguing for a kind of rebellion that admits hopelessness
It now starts to make sense, I missed the reaction. From what I've been reading existentialism seemed to be very passive, stoic.
>>8164679
Maybe it is.
tbqh it's been a long ass time since I read him.
>>8164679
>existentialism seemed to be very passive, stoic.
You would be better off calling that nihilism.
>>8164694
Well if it is, I think I understood why it doesn't clicked with me. Philosophically speaking at least, the human mind can alter the route to that "nothingness" crisis nihilists talk about. It's the same thing with Nietzsche, he says we're walking towards an entropy balance of though be we obviously can revert it, we have the will to do it.
>>8164736
That is basically why I struggle so much understanding the concept, it's so close to nihilism.
>>8164741
>>8164761
I can't really see the difference between Nietzsche's and Camus' approach from that chart.
>>8164877
They're both saying to do whatever you want, except for Nietzsche you're doing that in the pursuit of meaning, and will create your own meaning, whereas Camus says do whatever the fuck you want, because why the fuck not, and in doing so you will transcend the meaninglessness of the world. Watch this video, it's pretty much a perfect summary of Camus, and it's really beautiful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvDXlDxMnb4
>you could kill yourself, or others doing this
>so fucking what?
and, in true Camus style, it was all for a woman
>>8164923
Beautiful post
>>8164640
Not accept the bullshit
Accept that bullshit happens and that it's going to happen to you
As long as you're still able your still good
