why are books always about people and their relationships (man v man, man v society, etc)? are there any good books about objects?
>>8123144
>>8123144
The Aleph - Borges
>>8123144
We can only regard "objects" in respect to their relationships to other objects. It's impossible to simply write a book about an object without writing about its relationships with other objects.
>>8123144
Robbe-Grillet
>>8123144
Many books have been written on the subjects of physics and engineering.
because DIALECTICS
>>8123153
can an Aleph be considered as an object?
>>8123218
It's technically a point in space, but given its attributes one could argue that it is an object
>>8123154
>It's impossible to simply write a book about an object
>his imagination is so impoverished that is unable to conceive an object that is in a relationship with itself.
pls.
>>8123236
what would be an example?
that would still be a relationship, wouldn't it?
>>8123144
Any book that isn't about me is exclusively about objects.
>>8123241
You said, explicitly, that "It's impossible to simply write a book about an object without writing about its relationships with other objects."
Do you realize what "other objects" mean? It means any other object in addition to the one you are considering. But when you consider the object itself, in a relationship with itself, it's not a distinct, non-identical object: it is the same object.
That would indeed be a relationship but that's not what you were arguing for (unless you're officially changing your mind now).
>>8123144
Read Perec
>>8123167
This
>>8123167
well there have been many books written on psychology and sociology too, and yet we keep writing fiction about human relationships.
>>8123445
why
>>8123457
mainly because of the masturbatory sophistry you're participating in.
What about that book that takes place in a two dimensional plane?
>>8123144
Yes, read Francis Ponge's Le parti pris des choses.
>>8123498
obligatory
>>8123144
>are there any
yes
>good
no
Perec (Les choses), Blake Butler (anything)... many attempt this, but without the animal layer it's always uninteresting to you, human.
>>8123153
I dont think the story is about the Aleph though. It seems to be about man and the limits of his mind. Borges starts to forget Beatriz Viterbo and he cant process the infinity of the Aleph either
>>8123949
Perec's book is about people, actually.
>>8123982
Superficially it's still only about things, and also boring
>>8123501
Good answer.
>>8123144
Great minds talk about ideas;
average minds talk about events;
mediocre minds talk about people;
objects talk about objects.
>>8124079
Why is it boring to you? Please, bore me.
>>8124256
>average minds
>mediocre minds
I see...
because everything anyone ever experiences involves a relationship between them and something else
>>8124393
so what? why can't a book be written that doesn't involve people or their relationships whatsoever? or be about objects and their relationships with people?
>>8124492
the 3rd should be small minds. average and mediocre mean effectively the same thing
http://poesie.webnet.fr/lesgrandsclassiques/poemes/charles_marie_leconte_de_lisle/les_elephants.html
Parnassism is what you're looking for
>>8123498
Isn't Flatland a commentary on social hierarchy?
>>8124497
You are correct; that is indeed how the original was stated. Mea culpa for my mistake
>>8123144
yea the one about your moms pussy
Oh, I remember some passages from "Alaska" that consisted of only objects, iirc
Lord of the rings
>>8124256
>Little, itty bitty minds talk about ideas;
>babby minds talk about events;
>mediocre minds talk about people;
>great minds post pictures of frigs
>>8123144
The Suitcase, by Sergei Dovlatov, is a collection of short stories about several items in a suitcase belonging to someone fleeing the Soviet Union. But what gives the oblects (and the stories) their power is the context of the people and the history they represent.
>>8123150
>Borges
His writing was totally in the realm of ideas, abstractions, and timeless truths and not really about mirrors and labyrinths and knives.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BefliMlEzZ8
>>8123144
because of how capital works in latecapitalism it has become the subject and of course this makes us all its necessary (to exist) object.
Most books, especially realism, are about characters who are literally objects.
