Do you think the philosopher's native language shapes his philosophy?
Are Anglos more analytic and the French more continental because of the language they use necessarily shaping their thoughts in such directions, for example?
>>8106159
Probably more broadly cultural than just linguistic.
>>8106171
This. There are plenty of great French mathematicians and scientists, so the language itself does not induce irrationality and nonsense.
>Anglos
>>8106189
The simplistic nature of English might limit their capacity to complex thought though, especially since most Anglos are monolingual.
>>8106159
You should look into a phenomenom called "cultural emphasis" that very much describes the point of your question.
>>8106159
According to Heidegger, English and French are not philosophical languages.
Only German, ancient Greek and Sanskrit.
>>8106906
Source ?
>>8106914
It's something he said to an Indian in private but he's repeated that German and Greek are similar and are the best languages at exploring philosophical questions.
>>8106159
Not philosophy, but I believe languages shape the general attitude of the people as a whole, but only as one factor alongside many others. English is quite informal, so Anglos people tend to be less formal towards strangers&superiors. German can be considered an "ordering" language and the people like to be precise in their duties. Turkish is efficient in verbs, and that is the general attitude of Turkish people: to do as much as possible with least effort possible.
>>8106890
It certainly seems to have limited yours.
>>8106914
Also in the Der Spiegel interview he mentions how when his French friends learn German they give up on French because they "cannot think" without German.
>>8106920
or, of course, it could be the other way around too. The attitudes of societies might shape their language tone and usage.
>>8106906
Too bad Heidegger was a notorious pseud who wrote nonsense for a living. Much like the French pseuds who followed him.
>>8106934
>>8106906
>mfw he's just some sour grapes'd Nazi who cries at night because his precious bulletheaded tryhard Teutonic völk are effortlessly outwitted and shamed by the crafty, jolly Anglo and can't into empires
>"die Englisch ist nicht philosophical!!!" reads an Englishman holding the World News while some niggerboy serves him tea in Bahrain
>"du bist Amerikaner schwein!" yelps a pathetic, disheveled, defeated Kraut at some G.I. picking his nose and listening to the song stuck in his head
haha stay mad Germancucks
>>8106973
Anglos are subhuman
>>8106917
Russian and Armenian are more similar to Greek in every way.
>>8106924
Always happens when a cultured person has to adopt a pidgin language to be honest.
>>8106159
Sapir- Whorff a shit
>more continental
stopped reading there. you are a faggot.
>>8106934
I agree to be quite honest.
The meanings of words in a different language may carry greater weight, but I believe it's the cultural norms, not the language itself that shapes the philosophy. I'm fluent in two languages and proficient in two others. The same words mean slightly different things once translated.
>>8106159
language is part of the formation of philosophical traditions but nowhere near the most formative.
>"continental" as an adjective
?
Yes. For example, bad languages are the ones with less meanings and with words of many meanings. The term "Barbarians" come from those who speak "Bar Bar", because Greeks would notice they overuse words. This is hard to be understood instantly, you may have a glimpse of what I mean, but language simply castrate your ability to think. Philosophers are interested in increasing their vocabulary, so they can outperform their fellow men, yet are still underperforming against Germans and Greeks. (inb4 what about Sanskrit, whatever I don't know it).
Consider a course of Mathematics, in which all you do is learn a bunch of meanings to use them consistently, it is not a science yet it gets the student ahead of plebeians. Modern Germans may not be consistent with their language, but they inherit a great cultural advantage over the untermensch that can be developed later.
If you don't believe me, you can do a comparison yourself. You should consider developing your own language too, because artificial languages are the future. Bad languages happen out sheer laziness and self-interest, it is only fair to think hard working people like the Germans would not do it.
>>8106159
Well idiomatic expressions certainly encapsulate a worldview of previous speakers and probably expose the native speaker to their ideas repeatedly
>>8107147
In a comparison between German and Kikongo, I agree with your point but between German and English?
Also, I don't think languages, at least the major ones, are theitically constructed but more rather discovered as they go along.
>>8107200
Meanings are discovered, references are invented. Meanings already exist.
>but between German and English?
I should encourage to be skeptic, in fact, I should tell you to try translating from English to German and from German to English to see which one contains the other.
>>8106159
Of course the French are more continental dipshit, they live on a continent.
>>8107250
>here you can see the anglo brainlet having a hard time
>>8107239
Does one language containing the other posit that it's superior? I acknowledge English's debt to German, but just the same German wasn't created in a vacuum. I think the criteria for prestige should be based on what works its speakers have produced and the general character of its speakers rather than flaunting arbitrary linguistic characteristics. And from the printing press to modern rocketry, Gutenberg to von Braun, the German language certainly has that prestige but if so certainly so does English. I'm actually a A2 level German student studying the language so I've definitely observed numerous similarities but in no way have I ever thought of English as being bastardized or less sophisticated.
>>8107256
>implying the rate of autism is higher in the anglosphere
TRANSLATION STATISTICS:
> Top 12 original languages:
1 - English - 1265367
2 - French - 225805
3 - German - 208091
4 - Russian - 103599
5 - Italian - 69545
6 - Spanish - 54554
7 - Swedish - 39977
8 - Japanese - 29242
9 - Danish - 21250
10 - Latin - 19952
11 - Dutch - 19660
12 - Ancient Greek - 18057
> Top 12 target languages:
1 - German - 301934
2 - French - 240044
3 - Spanish - 228558
4 - English - 164500
5 - Japanese - 130649
6 - Dutch - 111270
7 - Russian - 100806
8 - Portuguese - 78905
9 - Polish - 76706
10 - Swedish - 71209
11 - Czech - 68921
12 - Danish - 64864
Source: http://www.unesco.org/xtrans/bsstatlist.aspx?lg=0
>>8107414
What are "original" and "target" languages referring to?
>>8107419
Original language = language in which the work was originally composed
Target language = language in which the translated work is rendered
For example, the original language of Proust's 'À la recherche du temps perdu' is French, and the target language of Moncrieff's translation is English.
>>8107419
I assume Original is translated from, and target is translated to, so the most english texts are translated, and the most books are translated to german
>>8106159
But then German philosophers would have to be autistic and... oh.
Ideas come before language. Once you learn a language, you only get access to the ideas of those who speak that native tongue.
>>8106159
Yes, I believe so.
One's world view, or moreover how they intellectually contextualize the world, is inescapably a function of the languages they speak.
>>8106189
>French mathematicians and scientists
They deal with math as their main language, you remark is pointless.
>>8107333
>A2 level German
That's why you don't know m8. German is a lot more sophisticated than English, you can put a lot more meaning in less space. Once you learn more you'll se how much more complicated it can get and how much easier it is to express complicated ideas.
>>8107147
>Strong Sapir-Whorf
>Thinking the term 'Barbarian' resulted from a legit analysis of foreign languages and not just a onomatopoeic pejorative pointing up the fact that the Greeks didn't give a fuck about understanding any other language
Damn bro, have you read any legit linguistics published after 1950, or did you fall for the philology meme because you admire some Enlightenment caveman?
>>8107333
Every language is bastardized. It happens every day.
We're doing it as we type tbqpbauhwrtyf famalamadingdongpai.
