If you wanna change the world, why do you study English literature or the humanities/liberal arts and not economics?
Since your great thinkers agree it's all about the way that is organized. Well... Why not study that?
>>8089081
>If you wanna change the world
who said that
>>8089081
Eh, I study economics, and, with the exception of finance, it's the same as humanities: useful fables with zero predicting power.
>If you wanna change the world
If there is one thing I've learned it is that is a fool's errand.
Actually most college students aren't Marxists when they enter.
They become during their time in college, which tells you something.
>>8089095
most college students aren't Marxists at any point
>>8089089
Really? Then you haven't studied very much? Look at, for example, the very real effect the liberal republican thinkers (Locke, Montesquieu, Rousseau) had. Look at Descartes. Academia has a profound effect on public opinion and in turn systems, as the ideas trickle down. It may take 100 years but every single significant change in the world, new paradigms, have been brought about by individuals gazing out at the forthcoming world from their ivory tower.
>>8089081
We're in it for the banter and the dank memes. no one here wants to actually do anything lmao
>>8089081
>your great thinkers agree it's all about the way that is organized
This is simply untrue. Revolutionary organization is a synthesis of material conditions and exploitative property relations. Material self-determination of the industrial proletariat doesn't make any conceptual sense applied to a preindustrial, feudal agrarian society, and so on.
I study chemistry. The progress of science has an excellent track record of improving quality of life even within the bourgeois state and research is probably the best thing you can do short of a successful revolution.
Rojava needs skilled scientists and engineers every bit as much as it needs participatory political society and defense forces, if not more so.
>>8089189
u should move there
>If you wanna change the world,
I don't. I'd rather improve myself before I improve the world.
>why do you study English literature or the humanities/liberal arts and not economics
Because I can't put effort in something that doesn't interest me.
>>8089193
T*rkey's pressured the KRG into policing the Iraq-Syria border to where even crossing the Tigris by dinghy is essentially impossible for now. There are more resources for getting relevant skills here too, so it's a good idea to become an expert before shipping out.
Academic economics in no way can, positively, "change the world" since it's just meaningless masturbatory mathematical formalism that only a handful of other autists can understand. Academic economics can only really have an effect to the extent that they provide policy advice to trick governments into doing things they think are good via political front groups.
It's best to understand real disciplines like advertising and industrial engineering. Most "consumers" would be horrified to know the degree to which their "preferences" can be engineered/predetermined by qualified management teams.
>>8089081
>If you wanna change the world
If thats what you got out of this page you really got spooked bro. I read to avoid the world.
>>8089259
>meaningless masturbatory mathematical formalism that only a handful of other autists can understand
>I haven't put in the work and I don't plan to, therefore it's all useless shit
.Foodbabe pls go
>>8089081
Less a chance of changing the world with Econ than with lit.
All of the work of academia combined couldn't stop Reagan "herp derp triggle don" economics.
Famous economists are basically that one NYT guy. Keynes? Adam Smith? Foucalt has had more influence than all of economics.
>>8089089
>fools errand
What are you, a minor character from a fantasy novel?
>>8089425
no to everything
Why should I be more concerned with transitory outward circumstances than the condition of my own soul, or the souls of others?
>>8089081
Why the fuck is Lenin standing on Stalin's side
>>8089632
my thoughts exactly comrade, I doubt Lenin would've supported that 'socialism in one country' bullshit
>>8089189
Are you implying creating another nation-state is "changing the world"?
>>8089429
yes
>>8089425
Lmao some of Reagan's tax cuts were good, Bush's were not. The problem is that some tax cuts are good ( and can pay for themselves when the rates are absurdly high to start ) but politicians use the rhetoric to push their stupid tax cuts. Trickle down economics is a non entity , it's a buzzword made up by the left to make fun of stupid proposals by republicans but also smart proposals that don't agree with their own ideology.
>>8090039
Even Stalin's bureaucratic state-capitalist shit "changed" the world. Ideally though, you're putting radically decentralized, noncoercive frameworks in place which defy the class-ruled label of "nation state."
The defense of Kobane and subsequent gains shouldn't be minimized. The YPG is doing God's work.
>>8090073
>State-capitalist
>>8089709
Lenin explicitly did when he signed the treaty of Brest-Litovsk, prioritizing the existence of a preliminary socialism over the then-impossible dream of world revolution. Lenin was nothing if not willing to take tactical retreats: see NEP.
>>8089088
Also economics, and this desu, you learn maths the STEM fags can do better and theories that are reliant on many extensive assumptions.
If you even want to get on to dynamic models its an Msc degree ffs
>it's all about the way that is organized
exactly
>>8090104
Yes. The state is the capitalist.
>>8089425
>All of the work of academia combined
>Neoclassical economics and Milton Friedman don't real
>Keynes? Adam Smith? Foucalt has had more influence than all of economics
Are you actually claiming that Foucalt was more influential than Keynes or Adam Smith? Are you high?
You don't change the world.
The world changes you.
Individual agency is an illusion.
>>8091016
The state owns private property? When the state (is meant to ) represent the public. I can understand State-Capitalist if the state is actually "owned" by a few people who use propaganda to make it seem like the state represents the public. In that case then those people own the means of production privately.
>>8091034
/Lit/ really dislikes Milton Friedman.
>>8089095
>muh liberal academia conspiracy
Also, learning economics is important for every political philosophy
