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What's your opinion on Dutch literature? Best works?
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What's your opinion on Dutch literature? Best works?
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Stick a Finger In It by Guido van Rudeman
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>>8050594
bumping for interest. I am Dutch myself but I lack a thorough knowledge of anything Dutch lit other than Mulisch
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>>8050604
Same. I read some in highschool but i have the feeling most of those were shit and it's long ago.
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>>8050604
Same. Han de Wit in Ontwikkelingshulp was in mijn herinnering best grappig, maar dat was lang geleden. Voor de rest geen idee eigenlijk. Iemand hier zei dat de grote 3 allemaal goed waren, dus dat je kan dat proberen. Zou zelf niet weten of het klopt.
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Does anybody remember those Carry Slee teenage books about bullying?

Even as a kid/teen I found them extremely forced, and borderline cringe worthy.
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Gerard Reve, W.F. Hermans and Harry Mulisch are all worth checking out. Another favourite of mine is Ferdinand Bordewijk. Most Dutch literature is quite bad though.
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>>8050720
Anything you'd like to rec from Reve in particular?
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>>8050705
Never read one, though the teacher did read us something on MDMA which might've been written by her.
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>>8050720
What about Nescio, Multatuli and Huizinga?
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>>8050738
Oh fuck my sideways, it was written by Carry Slee...


https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afblijven_(boek)
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>>8050705
Those covers of her too man..
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>>8050733
Haven't read a great deal by him, but both "Nader tot U" and "de Avonden " were quite decent. They are the more well-known of his works, though.
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>>8050705
Wasn't there a book by her about a kid whose dad died because the son forgot to charge his phone?
Prachtig plot right there.
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>>8050777
I don't think there was a more hateable protagonist than the guy in De Avonden.
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>>8050636
>>8050697
Didn't like my first experiences with Dutch lit at all, stuff like Turks Fruit still instills me with a nasty taste in my mouth.
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>>8050594
Max havelaar van Multatuli
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>>8050746
Huizinga is still really high on my list. I studied History and professors just kept raving on and on about Herfsttij der Middeleeuwen.

>>8050705
All Dutch lit seems to try to deliver some forced feeling of catharsis which rarely works; the over emphasis on sex in Dutch lit, to me, is atrocious as well because it seems to serve no deeper meaning other than a vent for the writer to release his sexual repression.
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>>8050753
Yeah, I remember reading that one. Some beta orbiter gets cucked, the female protag gets rekt by drugs she got from her drug dealer boyfriend, she ends up in the hospital and realizes how stupid she is, and the boyfriend magically gets arrested at the end because we need a happy ending of course. Pretty cookie cutter stuff.

>>8050786
Some kid forgets his cellphone, his dad gets a heart attack on their way to some place, and he feels guilty because he couldn't call the ambulance. Pretty weird plot point to centre your book around, but whatever.
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>>8050810
I got the early one written in 1880s style. I don't necessarily agree with him though, but such a discussion belongs on /his/
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Frans Kellendonk, better than Reve and definitely better than Mulisch(Mulisch is quite terrible actually), he's postmodern, but in a unique way, worth checking into
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>>8050829
>>8050810
>>8050777
Thanks put that stuff on my want to read list. Huizinga sounds really interesting
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>>8050594
Grappig hoe niemand hier eigenlijk Nederlandse literatuur leest. Ik vraag me af of het komt omdat classics e.d. lezen een meer veilige optie is, of omdat (we het idee hebben dat) Nederlandse literatuur slecht is. Ik vind de Nederlandse taal niet per se lelijk, misschien qua gehoor zelfs mooier dan Duits (in elk ander opzicht niet), maar het beeld wat ik van Nederlandse literatuur heb is dat het niet de moeite waard is om te lezen.
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>>8050899
Erg gek, ook als je je bedenkt dat wij het over het algemeen qua cultuur best goed doen (kunst, muziek, geschiedenis). Misschien dat ik niet in het schrijverswereldje zit, maar zoveel goede postmoderne schrijvers zijn er geloof ik niet. Zelf maakt het mij niet uit of ik Engels lees of Nederlands, slechts een geval van keuze.
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>>8050899
Dit komt wellicht ook doordat men literatuur het liefst leest in de brontaal, en het Nederlands nu eenmaal niet zo gemakkelijk te leren valt.

Ook is Nederland een relatief klein landje, en zo blijven we natuurlijk ook met minder schrijvers zitten.
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>>8050918
Inderdaad. De enige stap is om te gaan lezen om erachter te komen. Toch weerhoudt iets me om te beginnen. Ook reviews in kranten en de snelheid waarmee nieuwe schrijvers en boeken meteen de hemel in geprezen worden helpen niet. Er wordt hierbij ook nooit verwezen naar klassieke werken, niet naar Nederlandse en niet naar buitenlandse literatuur. Niets lijkt established te zijn of te worden. De significantie en urgentie van de werken lijken er niet te zijn. Waarom zou ik beginnen?
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>>8050918
>>8050943
>>8050899

Ik heb het gevoel dat in Nederland het 'skill-ceiling' erg laag is. Iets is al gauw 'goed'. Dat komt denk ik voornamelijk omdat Nederland zo klein is.
Minder schrijvers betekend ook een minder aantal goede schrijvers, en een slechte stand van zaken in het algemeen.

Als ik aan Nederlandse literatuur denk, denk ik al gauw aan Esther Verhoef/Saskia Noort achtige 'thrillers' voor huisvrouwen. Terwijl als ik aan Russische literatuur denk is het gelijk Dostojevski of iets dergelijks.

Wat is nou een Nederlandse klassieker? Turks fruit? Ha.
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>Mulisch, narcissistic hack but funny hack
>W.F. Hermans, god NO DISCUSSION
>Reve, meh
>Multatuli, neat
>Couperus, Indonesia & shit
>Eden, clinical neat
>Bernlef, Hersenschimmen is good, rest is fodder.
>Nescio, produced metric tons of mediocre stuff, literally three good works.
>Wieringa, bald complex word man.
>Buwalda, EMPHASIS ON THEMES
>Hugo Claus, BELGIUM IS SAD MEATY
>Zwagermans, depression lol shit
>Grunberg, I'm the leftest and shit
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>>8051007
Cool, thanks for the overview. Did you actually read them all?
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>>8051036

Yes, not hard, there isn't much.
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>>8051007
Also Grunberg's columns in the Volkskrant are truly insufferable. That people can't see through his shameless, desperate, and excessive attempts at being "clever" or "genius-like" is beyond me. What he produces each day is edgy, superficial, and childish troep.
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>>8051086

Why are all our writers so hilariously left and politically correct?
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>>8051104
It's the 'SWEDEN YES'-syndrome.

We're all a bunch of Northern-Euro cucks.
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>>8051104
Reve wasn't politically correct.
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>>8051007
>Bernlef, Hersenschimmen is good, rest is fodder
Thanks man, I was considering reading other books of his oevre, but I had a feeling that it ended with hersenschimmen

Who here has read Het Smelt? It gets praised to heavens wherever I look; my dad has brought a copy and I`m thinking of reading it. Can anyone give me their honest opinion?
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