why can't America produce good philosophy?
>>8033109
>that image
Wew
Too buzy making money I guess. Not even american.
found the continental :)
go back to your mystical and criptolanguage babble
>>8033109
>strawberry frappucino
That kid has good taste
>>8033121
And he'll end up as fat as his parents.
>>8033129
but anon, strawberries are actually really healthy
Willard Van Orman Quine was the most influential philosopher of his century. He was born in Ohio you little eurobitch.
we are all philistines. being clever in america means you've found a way to cash in on some yet untapped business. my dads highest aspiration for me is to start a chain of movie themed restaurants or develop some mobile app game or become internet famous, as long as I make millions. these people raised me.
>>8033148
keep telling yourself that while stuffing so many of them into your mouth that you acquire forehead fat
>>8033109
still waiting on the great Psychoanalytic Pragmatism
>>8033191
Falling further into the abyss after missing the bait.
Quite honestly, however, America has produced the greatest literature of all time.
>>8033209
true, twilight is the best of all time how can yuros compete?
What's "good philosophy"?
>>8033109
Theoretically good, or that gives one success in life?
>>8033153
See also, e.g., Peirce, James, Dewey. Chisholm, Kripke, Lewis, Sellars, Davidson, Rawls, Nozick.
Perhaps the country that produced the most good philosophy in the 20th century was the U.S., due to its dominance in higher education. It's not even close if we count non-Americans who spent most of their careers in the US (Godel, Tarski, Carnap, etc.). This seems to being continuing this century.
>>8033209
before 1950 America was insignificant in the literary scene. Just because you have been able to compete the last 50 or so years doesn't mean you are i power player in the grand scheme
>>8033109
language.
English is fucking useless for philosophy.
German is god tier.
French is kill it with fire.
>>8033255
of all time!
>>8033220
obviously, the real philosophy, the useless one. if its 'useful' is not philosophy.
>>8033209
pffhahahahahahahahaha
okay, okay kid.
>taking b8
im hungry.
>>8033304
how the fuck did you get to this?
>the GOAL of philosophy is uselessness
are you retarded?
or am I being b8d again. this board I swear, this fucking board...
>>8033316
Stop with your intellectualness.
>>8033317
ok Im being b8d for sure.
hi, Im fish. this tastes good, do you have more?
>>8033320
sure. ask away.
>>8033321
will do
>>8033325
thanks
>>8033279
lol, tell me about some good philosophy written in German in the last 50 years.
>>8033335
It was written by an American who had German as a second language.
>>8033153
>influential
Influential does not mean good
John Green is an influential writer (new writers, film adaptations, social nonsense, etc.)
>>8033335
>in the last 50 years
why tho.
do you believe in the 'progress' of Humanity?
>>8033338
What was?
And anyways, what? Is the idea that they think their philosophy in German, then write it in English, and that's why it's good? Or that learning German somehow magically gives them philosopower? That's retarded.
>>8033345
The only beliefs lie in hopes.
>>8033340
Philosophy is more objective than literature though. Influential philosophers are generally those that have the best arguments.
>>8033279
lmao, Nietzsche said the exact opposite, he thought German was a dogshit language for philosophy.
He also thought that philosophy that obsesses itself with the nature of truth was overrated and thought that the Romans, who didn't spend as much time worrying about such abstract things as the Greeks, were a better civilization for it.
>>8033352
It was by this guy I knew, I forget his name. And, it was specifically asked for something written in German. If you're now not sure why that matters, then further dialogue is useless because you're regressing and I may have to let you go before you annoy me too much.
>>8033354
There are no objects in philosophy. Only incestuous thoughts.
Thoughts are not objects, theoretically.
>>8033357
>taking Nietzsche literally
>>8033365
I mean incestuous by thoughts relating to thoughts, thinking unto itself.
I didn't mean actual sex topic.
>>8033354
>Philosophy is more objective
lol
>>8033362
Okay, keep your secret good philosophy in German by a guy you knew whose name you forgot to yourself.
Pretty much all good recent and contemporary philosophy is written in English, much of it by native English speakers. Not that I think English is better for doing philosophy than other languages, just that it's not worse than other languages for doing philosophy. And at the moment it happens to be an academic lingua franca.
>>8033385
There are higher levels of literature and elites that are not shared with the masses.
>>8033398
luminarty
>>8033400
There are different sects that choose not to associate with them. "Eye" is more about stupid celebrity and direct contact with the masses to dumb them down. The literary elites prefer to live in their ivory towers in isolation and look down at, but also forget about you.
>>8033404
My graphene stem tower is taller you little word bitch.
>>8033414
Your lack of effort renders my disbelief.
How many Chinese kids had to die for them to take that picture?
Who is Ralph Waldo Emerson?
Judith Butler is a great philosopher.
"4chan circumscribes a systemic, self-sustaining inter-reaction between diverse bodies and minds who, stripped of their ontic qualities, engage in a metadiscourse based on conceptual absurdity and culturally-transmitted, discrete units of information that take on the latent qualities of those through whom it is transmitted."
>>8033429
what a fancy way to tell us that we are meme loving fucks
>>8033429
She definitely said this.
>>8033433
I wonder what Camille Paglia thinks of 4chan.
>>8033429
She gets it.
>>8033249
Autistic pseudomathematical mind games with 0 relevance to life, reality or anything for that matter. Euro/continental philosophy might be bullshite but at least it's interesting bullshit.
The answer to OP's question can be found in this thread: the United States were founded on ripping themselves out of history to start something new. They are a very young nation, and they think in short timeframes. The whole pursuit of happiness and shiet has led them to >>8033174, which has granted them a) power and b) shit philosophy. If America were to reconnect its masses, and not just the people who study Liberal arts, with a history older than Columbus, it would probably give rise to better philosophers.
>>8033480
Fuck you continental philosophy is for homos
>>8033478
I'm guessing you've read 0 of these authors.
Also, bullshit is not interesting.
>>8033109
That image makes me fucking sad.
At least they look happy.
ITT: Retarded american crippled babies crying over their own intellectual incompetence as a nation.
>>8033525
>have most respected institutions in the world
>intellectual incompetence
>>8033510
Rawls and Nozick are so full of shit. Plus all the endless sperging out about bullshit made up concepts like Qualia possible worlds and zombies. At least Heidegger, for example, gives his philosophy a mystical/poetic flavor that goes beyond autistic thought experiments and pseudo-STEM try hard shit
>>8033551
>a mystical/poetic flavor
why is this good you silly fuck?
It sounds like you just want entertainment.
>>8033545
This post is making me sad. Go eat a burger, read a book, die unloved. Before the day ends, if you can.
>>8033551
Want to explain why you think Rawls and Nozick are full of shit?
Do you think there are other ways the world could have been? Do you think we can think or talk about some of these ways? That's all possible worlds are.
Do you think there's something it's like to see red? That's a quale.
>>8033426
good christ no
emerson was a philosopher like model train hobbyists are civil engineers
>>8033590
Learn english, cunt nigger faggot retarded son of a bitch baby fucker.
>>8033109
>the daughter's tired smug "lol, fuck my life" look
>>8033590
>Want to explain why you think Rawls and Nozick are full of shit?
hopelessly caught in bourgeoisie liberal framework
Qualia and wondering about 'possible worlds' being 'real' or not is the definition of autism. who the fuck cares? Analytical philosophy is not entirely bad but lots of it is extremely pointless
>>8033612
>ITT: europeans buttmad that not everybody writes in word salad
>>8033619
What's wrong with trying to think seriously about consciousness and the nature of possibility and necessity? Philosophers have been doing it for hundreds of years. If you don't care, fine, but this isn't some new form of navel-gazing invented by analytic philosophers.
>hopelessly caught in bourgeoisie liberal framework
And this makes them full of shit because... ?
Marx or Nietzsche said so?
Were Locke, Rousseau, Kant, etc. also full of shit?
Is all philosophy that starts with assumptions you don't agree with full of shit? I doubt this is a good way to approach things.
>>8033612
>>8033626
He's just angry that he's too stupid to read real philosophy and that he's stuck with pseudophilosophical gibberish.
>>8033340
quine is fucking awesome and highly respected in professional philosophy as a big swinging dick
>>8033750
Wew lad. Enjoy your unimportant life, fella. Watch the game with your buddies and eat some foreign food.
>>8033768
Continentals are unimportant, Analytics aren't.
>>8033789
Wow.
>>8033768
>Analytics are asking me to provide a logical argument for my views
>>8033802
t. Someone who's never studied philosophy at the academic level
>>8033858
I have, you're full of shit
>>8033789
>thinking any philosophy is "important"
>>8033879
It boggles the mind to imagine a sincerely religious person coming on /lit/ everyday. Do you live off of butthurt like a dementor lives on misery, but your own butthurt, not that of other people.
>>8033895
>hurr durr how we think about those things we observed isn't important at all
Go back to making gizmos for your boss. Society will surely reward you richly for your dedication to pragmatism.
philosophy is useless
>>8033109
Chomsky I guess.
>>8033789
Continental Philosophers are definitely bullshit artists but they've had a tremendous impact in the real world and politics/society. ANALytics just wanna be real stem scientists soo hard but their whole racket is glorified circlejerking around thought experiments and mathy looking squiggles
>>8033897
This is just baffling.
>>8033899
What is the actual point of philosophy now? All philosophers do is have autistic arguments between themselves. The real progress is being made by scientists, engineers etc. No one gives a fuck about the useless unanswerable philosophical questions anymore and there is a reason for that
>>8033921
The book pictured in that post is a prime example of how philosophy interacts with the sciences in a very important way.
My logic professor at MIT was also on faculty in the aerospace department and his interest in logic followed off of his work as an engineer. You have no idea what you're talking about.
>>8033921
Yes, the reason is that mediocre bitches like you are so cucked by modern media that you're unable to comprehend that existence goes beyond a physical level. I genuinly feel sorry for all the mediocre lads that think this way.
>>8033255
Nigga the French loved the fuck out of Poe and that was the 19th century.
>>8033921
The real progress in technology, sure. But look at the state of politics in America, Brazil, &c.
>>8033930
Its because these dudes only have an undergraduate exposure to philosophy (aka history of philosophy). They don't even know what types of problems people are currently grappling with.
>>8033899
But Pragmatism is a tradition of philosophical thought.
>>8033936
It doesn't have the same meaning in that context.
>>8033936
>all uses of a word are equivalent
kys
>>8033897
>analytic teenager turns out to be a unironic fedora
Paint me surprised
>>8033921
The only "progress" you're talking about is letting people live longer and have more free time to engage in the more important philosophic matters.
>>8033921
>The real progress is being made by scientists, engineers etc
just wait till the 'progress' takes over and makes it's creators obsolete. ya'll gonna have all the progress you could want but no one there to see it idiot machines burning through the cosmos forever and ever
>>8033957
>le hat meme
Yes, people who disagree with you should just go hide and be quiet.
>>8034005
He wasn't saying that.
W-who hurt you, anon?
Don't worry, uncle Tommy can't hurt you anymore. Do you want some chicken tenders, honey?
>>8033109
>"hah look at those people on their computers"
>he thought while on his computer
>>8033109
>why can't America produce good philosophy?
or real question is: why philosophy wasn't be able to producing good americans?
>>8034176
3/5 of the individuals in the picture aren't on a computer.
>>8034315
compared to who exactly?
>>8034315
compared to any other living being
For someone reason, we turn into edgelords when it comes to philosophy.
>>8033209
Here's the jingoist idiot and, now to find the foreign anti-jingoist imbecile who goes just as stupidly in the other direction:>>8033255
>>8033480
This is cliches and nonsense. What does Columbus have to do with American culture? Next to nothing. If we were to trace our history to colonial times, we would start with Virginia, not him.
The truth is simply that
>>8034344
compared to any other living being
>>8034358
>>8034315
This. Why can't Americans think in simpleton cliches like me? Why can't they simply speak a second language as poorly as I do, instead of remaining completely monolingual? bastards.
>>8033560
>implying I haven't already eaten a burger today
nice try eurocuck
>>8033335
Habermas, Byung-Chul Han (sorta German), Gadamer, Cassirer, Plessner, Luhmann...
>>8033109
>kid's shirt
>ME
>AWESOME
>>8033109
>be american
>see pic related
typical suburbanites
>>8033109
I lean towards continental philosophy and I'm still offended by this.
>>80x4379
ugh. I'm not even giving you a (You)
>>8033921
Anyone who seriously believes there is an unbridgeable divide between science and philosophy doesn't understand science and understands even less about philosophy
>>8033153
Maybe in analytic department circlejerks, but only Wittgenstein spawned two mutually exclusive philosophical schools. Between logical positivism and ordinary language philosophy (which are inspired by his Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus and Philosophical Investigations, respectively), both of which were extremely fertile analytic traditions that completely dominated philosophy departments for decades, Wittgenstein takes the cake for most influential philosopher of the 20th century.
Quine is really good*, but let's be honest.
*The fact that Quine is probably one of the best does indicate American analytic philosophy sucks in general. Too much careerism which favors mediocrity over ingenuity.
>>8033109
Meme country created by regicidal jew loving occultists.
>>8033109
I've seen this picture posted around before and don't understand the cringyness of it. It seems like a reasonably happy family enjoying an outing. The only thing I don't like about it is all their products are apple products, and I think apple is run by a gaggle of money hungry sociopaths, so that's not cool, but I don't think that's why it's considered cringey.
>>8033109
>national identity
>>8035543
fat + sterile brands = america
>>8035551
They seem happy though.
>>8035558
EVEN WORSE!
>>8034916
Is that what suburbanites are like now? Fuck, I'm glad I'm poor.
>>8033117
Money is tomorrows toilet paper.
>>8035522
Wittgenstein was an Analytic at heart, he's only called Continental just because of where he was born.
Analytic = real philosophy rooted in reason and logic
Continental = bullshit gibberish for pseuds
What's so difficult to understand about that?
>>8033295
Surprise surprise the yuropoor is starving.
>>8033630
brekekekek
>>8035543
Don't you ever find yourself envying simple folk who are able to experience the joys of life unhindered? It's a combination of anger, hatred and bitterness.
america has produced some fine analytic philosophy, searle quine kripke putnam chomsky davidson and levinson, and those are only the most famous. however their influence on continental philosophy has been pretty lackluster.
>>8037909
>continental
>philosophy
>>8033368
>muh Nietzsche was an ironic german shitposter
>>8036348
I hope everyone in this thread has read The Good Brahmin
http://www.online-literature.com/voltaire/4411/
>>8033368
>>muh academic revisionism
>>8033109
>man this image DEFINITELY represents an entire nation
>I'll show those Americucks!
>>8038070
Never EVER defend the US on this board EVER again.
Fuck off
>>8038056
I can definitely see the point in that story, I'm sure everyone here has thought of what he writes about in this story, but what Voltaire left out was the opposite: what about unhappiness? Is unhappiness not greater when you're ignorant? If you're intelligent the blow of misery will be less not just because you're already kind of pessimistic, or at least used to not feeling 'high on life', but also because you will be able to better find the reason for your misery. For an ignorant and content person to become unhappy, they will be extremely unhappy because they can find no wrongdoing through reason.
In that story, imagine if something happened so that the Brahmin lost his wealth. He would be unhappy, but it would be bearable for him to deal with. Maybe he would try to rebuild his wealth, or maybe he would simply accept it and live out the rest of his days as a poor old wise man. He would still have his immense knowledge and intelligence, so he could easily spend more time reading, writing, and teaching. But what if something happened so the old woman could no longer wash herself with the water from the Ganges? She would be absolutely devastated, maybe even go mad.
I don't know if Voltaire wrote more about this, intelligence in relation to happiness, and unhappiness, but in this particular short story it sounds as if he's leaning towards ignorance and happiness, or contentedness
>But after mature reflection upon this subject I still thought there was great madness in preferring reason to happiness.
and I just don't think I can agree with that.
