What moral system do you follow, /lit/?
confusion and misery
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
Been a good life so far.
My own. I mostly just avoid making an ass of myself unless it furthers some greater end.
do whatever draws the least attention to myself while garnering the greatest benefit (for myself)
memes are justice
hypocrisy
trying to get past it with selfreflection
its hard to differentiate between right or wrong as you have to stick to principles and have to have a huge construct you believe in.
which is scary
and then it all comes back to me being a hypocrite
Theological voluntarism. It's the only one that isn't a social construction.
>>8029641
The Übermensh one, I do as I please.
>>8029641
>my life is eventful enough for the application of morals
>>8029641
I act like a jerk and then I regret what I have done
A form of communitarianism, I guess. I try to reason about morality with the people I know, even with the cringey ones. I hope to change them if my views are correct or be changed by their views
>>8029769
I fucking hate the phrase "let's agree to disagree".
>>8029641
Unified esotericism
>>8029641
Meme magic accelerationism.
>benevolence and rightness are internal and the natural state of man
>>8029778
I know, it means that a person is completely incompetent of arguing.
>>8029794
Yup. But if you hear it to often you might be the source of the problem.
Still mostly i found people cling to much to their own reasoning.
>>8029641
My own.
>>8029801
Agreed, I guess we've all been guilty of this at some point, especially in oral arguments. That's why having a relatively indifferent third party around is helpful to turn the scales towards the right side
>>8029804
Spooks
>>8029817
>relatively indifferent
>third party
implying having more than 1 friend
implying you can find a relatively indifferent thrid party, it's hard enough for me to find a conversation partner i can talk to on a ceratin basis
man i'd love to exist in your world
reverse golden rule
>>8029826
You get it.
>>8029646
how many have you raped?
>>8029831
So would I, that's why I'm trying to make it happen with friends etc.
I never said I actually succeed, but I guess it's worth it if you're up for it.
>>8029847
you sure you want to be raped?
>>8029708
Edgy Nietzschean who has read 3 pages of beyond good and evil
Traditionalist. I do great but feel shitty. Anyone think it may have something to do with morality or am I too drunk and not making sense?
>>8029848
Is that selfreflection or an invitation?
Purely pathological. Based on what I feel is wrong or right.
>>8029903
You don't do great if you feel shitty.
We're not in the 1960s.
Morality could be a source. Or your job. Or your life. Fix your shit, you can't find out whats the problem is go see a doc.
>>8029914
Um...
*Fix your shit, if you can't find the source of your problems go see a doc
(I'm to autistic to leave that there as it is)
>>8029641
Tribalism.
I'm a Kierkegaardian. Leap of faith all day erry day. Ethical > Aesthetic.
>>8029708
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>8029914
I miss my ex. It's been over a year and I still think about her first thing when I wake up and think every girl with dark brown hair is her etc. I'm making plenty of money and have great friends and a 4.0 GPA and all that nonsense but fug. I am too drunk. I'll quit
>>8029922
How do I do this anon
>>8029926
Do the Kierkegaard life?
Find a truth that's true for you.
Take a leap of faith. Don't worry about belief. Faith is paradoxically about doubt.
Live existentially (that is, in personal communion to what you have put your meaning into)
Learn to understand yourself, find what it is the object you place your faith in really wants you to do.
That's for the religious section. This should take place over the ethical section (that is, because all religious acts are under Kierkegaardian ideals ethical acts by nature and transcend other ethical norms. If you have a conflict, teleologically suspend the ethical.)
Ethics also transcends the aesthetic.
To live aesthetically generally comes with nature, learn to "be" that is, to have an authentic experience living in the world.
Read "Steppenwolf". Changed my life.
Any questions?
>>8029923
Same here. I still think of her often enough.
My heart starts racing when i see someone similar. Been one and a half years now.
It will pass, or so i hope.
>>8029641
Do what's best for self, family, friends, friends' families.
>>8029939
She's coming to the same college as me in August... Should I go for it? Pretty sure she hates me now but surely I can say something... Life would be so good, ya know
>>8029964
I have no details. I'm not going to tell you to do anything, that's up to your evaluation.
>>8029905
Well, both, I guess.
>>8029641
True neutral, bruh.
>>8029641
>there are multiple systems
lol
>>8030140
You're correct. There are actually none.
True Neutral
>>8030148
Strictly speaking, you're right. But, supposing we trust psychology, we do develop moral intuitions throughout our life and through them, we can make out some moral principles, using, for example, some variation of this method:
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/reflective-equilibrium/
>>8029641
Your guilt is never wrong and always sincere.
>>8030168
'muh feels' isn't a moral system.
The only system is a divine system.
>>8030126
well feel free to kik me at fallenhsb
>>8029641
Return to norm
>>8029641
Whatever happens to be convenient. I do, however, have a natural inclination to kindness.
I put value into thoughts and ideals which reciprocate value.
>>8030178
>'muh feels' isn't a moral system.
Sure it is.
>>8030247
'muh feels' is the only moral system anyone has ever followed.
There is not one that sticks with you all of your life.
Growing up, it was not to take advantage of anyone. Now, it is more taking care of myself, because I neglected that.
So, first it was extreme public service and now it is self-babying. I swing on extremities, in the wrong order.
https://youtu.be/9ogQ0uge06o
I haven't thought nor read about ethics or morals much, but I just try to be honest, funny without insulting, and make others happy without being a beta bitch.
>>8029641
I fusion of many, as the complexity necessitates.
A conglomeration of virtue ethics, utilitarianism, deontology, buddhism, taoism, etc. Primarily I aim to decrease suffering in the world as I see it as bad, and much of the suffering is a result of the social system, so I am a socialist who wants to reduce the damage we are doing. I also believe through better culture we can create more free and self actualizing individuals, so the good flute players can play their flutes and we all benefit. I also wish we used technology prosocially.
I'm an atheist who sees the value of faith. My humanism has a lot of faith and optimism. At heart Marxism is a very pro human, positive view on man and her potentialities.
I think it's our duty to help people who need help if we can. It's our duty to try to he patient, compassionate, thoughtful, courageos, wise. If we all do this, we will all benefit from one another and thereby make it even easier for more people to actualize.
What I'm saying is that it's all interconnected, and seeking knowledge to understand the interplay of ethics, faith, society, psychology, happiness, economics, etc is insanely useful and meaningful.
>>8029641
ha ha, I remember when Bart was helping Homer fill out a form and Bart asked what religion Homer is, and he tried to remember, " ... what's the one with the good intentions that don't work out in real life?"
>>8029646
You know the guy who said that also said a lot of other things which He also thought should be included in people's morality. He didn't intend it to just be something people hang up on their walls to feel good about themselves.
>>8029641
Natural Law ethics, naturally.
>>8030440
So in other words you believe nothing.
>>8030476
Logically it doesn't makes sense, either. Why would another person want done to them what I want done to me? And why would I want what another person wants--done to me?
But if it's S&M, then it makes sense.
>>8030440
>virtue ethics, utilitarianism, deontology, buddhism, taoism
Cool a bunch of things that have little to do with each other. How is it being 18?
>>8029641
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6QMmrM4BmI
>>8030440
>virtue ethics
Atheists have no virtues and cannot define virtue,
>utilitarianism
According to what?
>deontology
So you're a typical bootlicking atheist.
>>8030489
I believe many things.
>>8030501
The fool judges what he does not know.
Do either of you actually think you know what I believe, based on condensing so much into so little. You're lack of imagination disables you from even trying to put it together. Instead of asking questions or seeking clarification, you lash out. I pity the fool.
>>8030585
I have many virtues, an in this case can define them as Aristotle did.
According to what else, utility, suffering, happiness.
Nope, a badass motherfucking atheist. Get it right wankstain.
You sound like the other dweebs, jealous and lacking in creative criticality.
I pity the dweeb.
>>8030865
>I have many virtues,
No you don't, because you're an atheist.
>According to what else, utility, suffering, happiness.
Why is this correct, oh right:
>muh feelings
>Nope, a badass motherfucking atheist
Oh, you're just underage.
>lacking in creative criticality.
Said the societal drone.
Machiavellian aestheticism
>>8029641
Objectivism and memes graded by dankness.
Islamic Marxist Morality.
"War is better than oppression."
And
"It is possible to love what is bad for you and for you to hate that which is good for you."
>>8031202
I hope you die then tbqh
>>8029641
Tbh, I'm trying to do this in my life.
Refraining from saying what is untrue cultivates silence within oneself,
and for me to stop stealing phones in public transit...
>>8031209
Both of us will die, but the bourgeois kafirs will go to the Fire, and those who submit to God and do good (socialism) in this world, will be rewarded.
I am a follower of Christ.
>>8031223
I kinda like this guy
>>8030500
The point is not what you would have done to you, but what you would not have done.
>>8031240
Speak english GOOK
>>8031223
Socialism is a form of government.
Charity is not giving to the government, it is helping other people with your own two hands. Taking your time to care for someone else, and doing it for nothing in return.
>>8031246
That is English, I'm sorry you are not able to follow. Read it again.
>>8031255
It made sense the first time, fool.
>>8031249
Charity should be abolished. And the political form of Socialism is called "Democracy".
>>8031249
Socialism is an economic system, not a system of government. A State may be involved (as in the USSR, PRC, DPRK, Cuba, etc.), or it may not (as in Spanish Catalonia, many independent communes, and the society the early Christians lived in as described in the Book of Acts, for example).
Charity is good but it fails to address the property relations which being about poverty to begin with. To do good is not merely to feed the poor, but to bring the poor out of poverty. To do this, property must be abolished. No man must be uplifted or worshipped. All submission is reserved to Allah. To want capitalism is to want oppression and submission to a hierarchical mankind.
The one-eyed Dajjal (Anti-Christ) has already entered everyone's home. It is the back of the dollar bill.
>>8031240
That's nice, but it doesn't say that.
>>8031302
But we're all socialists here. We're all given equal footing. By your creed, you should despise this community and want no part in it. It's suspect that what you are saying is your truth. I think not.
I think you just have abstract thinking.
>>8031303
>muslim
>>8031303
Socialism only occurs within government.
>What moral system do you follow, /lit/?
whichever is most convenient
>>8031306
"Do unto others as you would have done unto you"
If you wouldn't want it done to you, don't do it to someone else.
>>8029804
This. Be an individual or be a cuck.
>>8029794
ok you can't even formulate your complaint competently so I'm going to have to stomp you it's too tempting I want to say I'm sorry but I don't like to lie.
To agree to disagree is completely reasonable, only the hairiest, most unkempt of neckbeards would be unable to agree to suspend an argument in return for increased interpersonal harmony.
Furthermore, people approach life from different perspectives, and so form different conclusions. Some of those conclusions will contradict in spite of their almost impossible-to-resist from within-perspective suggestion of truth.
be reasonable, u cunts
>>8031456
>reasonable
>>8031411
Yes. Islamic socialism and Muslim Marxism is a thing. Just like there's Christian Marxism, and Atheistic Marxism.
Your point?
>>8029898
>2016
>thinking morals can bind humans to certain actionsyou hit bullseye on BGE, still reading the intro
>>8031473
>implying
>>8031474
That he was wrong.
>>8031424
No, it doesn't. State socialism is just far more effective.
But if a government is to exist, it should be a government that represents the ummah, which submits to the will of God. The will of God is peace and socialism. To have a society of believers following the will of a few elite secular capitalists makes absolutely no sense at all. Their godlessness leads them to greed, drugs, and sexual deviance. We either need the godlessness of the Soviets (which respected religion and did God's work without acknowledging God), or we need something entirely different.
The world was given to all mankind for is to live and work in it. It is wrong to believe that only a select few should own that which they did not create. And then to oppress others and deify themselves (as Trump has, for example), is completely contrary to Islam.
>>8031435
You're inferring a corollary.
I'll do the same. Maybe somebody wants things done to themself that I don't want done to me, and vice versa.
Read The Gift of the Magi. It's a short story. The point I want to make from it is that both self-sacrificed. The couple, separately, did things they wouldn't want done to the other--they would have preferred to take the suffering on themselves. As a result, they offend each other by each one hurting themselves, separately. You don't want your loved one to suffer, yet they did that anyway. The perverted interpretation of the story has been that the end result of crying in each other's arms strengthened their bond. That's sick. It's emotional S&M and an excuse for a child and other vulnerable people to be abused. >It will bond them!
If it betters me as an individual, I'll do it.
>>8031554
Who knows beforehand if you'll be bettered? The teacher or the student.
>>8030133
which is...
neutral good
>>8031888
neutgood is fags
i'm a nihilist and a moralist with a bad sense of humor.
>>8029641
I live by the advice of Lord Henry Wotton.
>>8029641
try to avoid fucking over other people as much as possible
it doesn't work ;_;
>>8029641
1: whatever you want to do, do it.
2: Make sure it doesn't bite your ass later.
3 But don't be a dick.
>>8030900
Lol you sound unhappy with your life. Would you like a better worldview? I have many here, some even on sale. As a Jew, I'll give you the Jewster special, throw in some Frankfurt school on the house Shlomy, on the house, no need to thank me.
>>8029641
Moral nihilism. Call me edgy or whatever, I just don't see any compelling reason that something should be "wrong" (wrong according to what?) and something "right". Seems quite trivial.
I acknowledge the social side of it, it is better for the species that people behave in a certain way, but I don't think of morals as something more than social behavior.
Therefore, I believe in descriptive morality, but not prescriptive.
>>8029641
Social Contract Theory.
>>8030440
Even if you don't believe in Jesus he believes in you and loves you. You will always be his child no matter what and whether you like it or not.
I feel a lot of guild about my actions in the past is there a book about this subject? I want to accept it, but I am just unable, guilt is eating me.
>>8029641
Moral Relativism.
>>8029641
None consciously, I just kind of wing it.
>>8029641
Capitalism and the invisible hand.
>>8031583
Have you actually scored true neutral on the dnd alignment test?
>>8032564
Sorry, neutral evil.
>>8032566
i have actually but those things are so easy to game it's silly
>>8032605
Well why would you need to game them?
>>8032609
if you take that shit seriously you're a joke
self-report psychology sucks
>>8031224
Oh yea, where is he?
*blows your mind*
>>8032473
philosophers who discuss moral nihilism?
>>8032473
Do you see any "compelling reason" to believe only what there's compelling reason to believe? Would it be "wrong" (wrong according to what?) to believe something you have no evidence for? Or do you believe only in descriptive epistemology and logic, but not prescriptive?
>>8029641
I don't follow any moral system, really, and even when I was religious I more-or-less did what I wanted to do. You can almost never live up to a moral system, but you can live up to the law.
Is law just the collective social morality?
I struggle with questions of morality. I have no real philosophy knowledge, so this probably all seems very pleb. In a lot of ways I think I have better morals than a lot of people, but on the other hand I'm just doing what I want to do -- just like anyone else, but they may be willing to do better or worse things.
>>8032898
The basis of all original laws can be traced back to the Bible, but are amended, abolished, (even reinforced) etc over time though the political system.
>>8032473
What about situations where there are known negative effects for a certain action? Abusing a child for example, negatively impacts brain development. So can't we say that child abuse is more wrong than right, because it typically results in lower IQ, whatever justification there may be for it?
>>8032901
That's not true, look to places like China and Japan. Moral laws predate even the Bible.
>>8032907
Nobody cares about Eastern laws. Their politics don't allow for change. For example, child labor practices.
They are practical for manufacture industries that support Western culture, however.
>>8032930
Japan does not have child labor.
>>8032936
Like I said, nobody cares.
pennis and also dicke and balls
>>8032954
This is the only correct answer for patrician males.
>"The essence of good and evil consists in the condition of our character. And externals are the means by which our character finds its particular good and evil. It finds its good by not attaching value to the means. Correct judgements about externals make our character good, as perverse or distorted ones make it bad."
>"Reflect and you’ll realize that man excels in other respects: in taking cognisance of his own behaviour; in being sociable, trustworthy and honourable; in learning from his own mistakes; in brains. What counts as good and bad for man can be found precisely in those respects in which he differs from the beasts. If his special qualities are kept safe behind stout walls, and he does not lose his honour, trustworthiness or intelligence, then the man is saved. But lose or take away any of these qualities and the man himself is lost."
>>8032492
That's ok, I don't mind. But truth be told I am Jesus Christ, and I love you, whether you want it or not.
>>8032964
>tfw epictetus isn't your father
Trying to be a decent man of the people while inviting Nietzsche into my life as much as I can
Not working out too well as you can imagine
Consequentialism
I only argue with someone as far as I believe they're capable of reasonable discourse. After that I just give up. Sometimes I feel like it's a cop-out, but apparently resigning yourself to failure is what grown-ups do, I've discovered.
>>8029641
Do what feels good.
>he needs a charlatan to follow
>he doesn't pursue his rational self interest
LOL
>>8034890
Libertarian
>>8034385
>Neutral evil is needlessly selfish
you would say that fkin nootnoot
selfishness is entirely rational
excessive selfishness is not actually selfish and therefore not neutevil because excess works against the goals of self-interest. Only stupid NE chars will err into excessive, obvious self-interest.
>>8029641
post-morality
virtue ethics yo; good, like truth, coherence, beauty, etc, is a value intrinsicially linked with our idea of what it is to flourish as a person.
>>8031438
>>8029826
>>8035106
Yeah you're right. But a neutral evil person only ever does things in his own interest. In the end everything comes down to his own benefit. However by that logic everyone is neutral evil, since an individual is always driven by satisfaction, whether consciously or unconsciously.
New materialism
You have no control over your emotions, feelings, and the information you absorb. Maybe some influence, but definitely not total control.
You do however have complete control over your actions, how you react to things. You can condition yourself to react to a situation in a positive or negative manner.
Your emotions are never an excuse for your actions.
>posted this on /his/ and instantly got shat on with no explanation, maybe someone here can tell me why
I just try not to be a massive shit and so far it's been okay.
>>8036795
>maybe someone here can tell me why
It's probably because of how you phrased "You have no control over your emotions, feelings" and later went on saying that "You can condition yourself". If you can condition yourself then surely you *can* control your emotions and feelings. What you should have said, regarding the former, is this: you don't have full control over your anger when anger sets in (a stage where outward action is not necessarily present), but you can condition your reaction (either negative -> positive or vice versa) to such and similar situations ad hoc. In other words, many people associate a particular emotion *in conjunction* with a special, perhaps stereotyped, behaviour. So, anger might be associated with raising of one's voice, demolishing things, etc.
>>8036827
That's basically what I meant, yeah. Sorry for the bad wording.
Was trying to say just because every fiber of your being is telling you to punch some guy in the face, doesn't mean you have to punch that guy in the face.
Egoist checking in.
None. Rarely does anyone have to make any serious moral decisions, and not being a violent asshole doesn't make you 'moral', it just makes you normal.
>>8032740
Moral nihilism goes more by the name of error theory in academic circles. JL Mackie's Ethics: Inventing Right and Wrong is the best place to start
>>8036885
You can be a violent asshole and abide to a morality system. Being normal you would abide to one too. Just by default doing what you do.
Even if you're not aware of it. Calling morality something optional isn't an option.
You can say you follow none directly, or think your moral actions are insignifcant, still you would be acting according to what you think is right. Discarding morality is only an option if you believe in amorality. Which you don't as you didn't state so.
>>8036837
>implying you actually apply egoism to your life and relationships
>>8029641
the "i have no moral system" moral system
>>8029641
Russian Cosmism
>>8039281
Never heard of that one
>>8039281
Source of your picture ?
>>8040023
>ik-kosmos-19253.jpg
what is a filename.jpg + google
https://thecharnelhouse.org/2014/02/20/ivan-kudriashevs-interplanetary-dynamic-abstractions-1917-1928/ilia-chashnik-kosmos-19253/
Ivan Kudriashev
I make sure to will one thing i.e. the good in truth and on occasion I teleologically suspend the ethical. Not as often as I'd like tbf
Right now, in terms of my own personal morality, I'm engaged in a balancing act between the reactionary conservatism and radical traditionalism that is natural to me (see: Evola/etc), and Schopenhauer's metaphysical-morality-in-the-face-of-indisputable-pessimism.
At the heart of it all, I'm just trying to stop myself from succumbing to nihilism. The abyss is gazing back.
Regarding 'political morality', I'm a sucker for Confucius; but when it comes to politics, I care more about what is useful than what is true. Plato's Noble Lie has never been more true.
>>8038369
>Implying you can not apply egoism.
>>8041170
>Schopenhauer
You can close the tab by pressing the little "x" at the top bar.
:)
>>8041228
Go and fuck yourself, Hegel(ian).
>>8041240
Schopenhauer was a narrow minded prick that was so wrapped up in his own fucked world view that he was literally incapable of even the concept of seeing things from a different perspective.
>>8029878
Yes.
>>8041259
the image you posted completely invalidated your entire post and anything else you say henceforth.
>>8041511
>>8041511
Schopenhauer's mommy issues discredits most of his bullshit too.
"On Woman" was butthurt trash.
>>8029641
>2016
>Following a moral system
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgEH95t6m34
>>8029641
If it benefits me, it's good.
If it doesn't, fuck you.
>>8029641
The golden rule gets you by pretty decent, with some caveats. Most moral frameworks are more academically interesting than they are effective for living your average every day life. That's why hypotheticals set up to test the logic of a given framework is usually some absurd situation that almost nobody will ever deal with, or even if they did they wouldn't have the necessary time to make an good judgement of what to do.
>>8029767
So you're an alcoholic?
>>8029641
Mennonite
>>8029641
Individualism, ethical egoism, true neutral.
>>8029641
Utilitarianism.
Absurdism
Politeness is the only rule.
>>8029641
hedonism i think D:
>>8043002
If an axe murderer asks you where the nearest school is so he can kill all the children do you tell him where it is after giving him a handshake, a warm smile and offering him some tea?
>>8043274
it was a kant based meme my man
>>8029641
Rational Egoism. I justify it with some pretty egregious circular logic but I am basically just a cocksucker.
>>8029641
hyper-ironicy
>>8043719
*irony
fuck
>>8043012
Yes because I love axe murder and hate kids.
>>8043727
is this part of the hyper ironicy/irony?
