/lit/, what's your opinion on him?
>>7994528
>/lit/, what's your opinion on him?
I love him. I've been trying to copy him in building languages and so on but I'm not knowledgeable or creative enough.
>>7994575
Madlibs a foreign language grammar/vocab book
>>7994528
I just want him to be my grandfather and read me stuff.
LotR was a big part of my childhood.
Will always give him the respect he deserves.
Did what he enjoyed, people enjoy what he wrote. It's a win for everyone.
>>7994575
Same here. What your describing is the reason why I decided to go back to university to study classics and a bunch of languages.
>>7994528
>OP creates thread expecting tolkien hate
>Receives nothing but praise
It's not his fault that his books have been associated with plebs
>>7994528
hey, just yesterday, I had a thought. Isn't the story of the ring to a great extent a buddhist-ish allegory?
The burden, the torturous path to get rid of it, the seeing ring, the overwhelming lust for it's power, making you disappear, making you lose yourself, sinister, the seeing eye that pulls you into it's influence, the faithful companion...
I do not say that the intent is to get a reader to consider anything about ego consciously, but a part of it's power leaks from closeness to those themes, right?
>>7994595
you're retarded
>>7994528
Overrated by nerds. Underrated by /lit/ snobs.
his books are very deserving of their classic status. lotr does drag a bit at times but he did a great job describing the otherworldliness of elves mr frodo.
>>7994608
Not impossible. I am interested in why would you say so.
>>7994528
Boring as shit
The Hobbit is the best book he wrote tbqh
>>7994528
He's my hero. There are very few creative pursuits of mine which have not been directly influenced by him.
>>7994614
you can draw stupid vague connections between almost anything. this kind of bullshit and its prevalence is why no one respects the humanities anymore
lotr's appeal has nothing to do with subliminal/subconscious buddhist themes.
>>7994620
you are perfectly right on that this overinterpretation you are talking about harms the credibility of the humanities.
I do not think this is the case.
"you're retarded" is not an argument. If you are of different opinion on this thing I do not think there is a way how to go deeper into the issue.
>>7994615
>the boring meme
go play your video games
>>7994640
>I do not think this is the case.
that's why you're retarded
/pol/ mustn't know he's an anarchist yet 'cause they aren't en masse shitposting
>>7994648
Fair enough, than I am retarded. I feel the same nevertheless.
>>7994528
Beautiful, relaxing prose that instills a sense of history and mysticism.
It's like Lovecraft for fantasy, but not shit. Lovecraft makes you think and ponder these evil, faceless, formless entities that lurk at the periphery of our reality.
Tolkien leads you to ponder an archaic, proud, and intensely robust mythos in the far off distance. It feels like you're reading history when you read the Sil. And combining the Sil with LOTR makes the actions of the characters that much more meaningful as you see figures such as Aragorn bringing conclusions to endless years and years of conflict.
He's not well regarded enough, still.
As forceful as an express train.
>>7994528
A man who achieved so much.
>Lotr was just a side thing for him
>He translated a bunch of stuff
>He was a soldier and a teacher
>Children's books,myths
>Laying the foundation for modern fantasy
a genius I love.
>>7994643
>Stop making fun of my walking simulator!
>>7994755
what were you trying to achieve with this?
>>7994765
Tellig you the truth
Tolkein is bloated garbage you pass off as high literature. Nobody, not even his contemporaries liked him. He was made popular by hippies well past the publishing date. He was laughed out of a Nobel nomination for his wretched prose. Stick you nose up your ass before you try to put it up to me
>>7994786
ITT: autism
>>7994786
What the fuck are you doing anon?
He layed the bricks down for future writers,and you can't deny that.
And there was actual effort in his works.Creating languages isn't easy anon.
>>7994528
Pretty amazing that he managed to do what he did as basically a hobby while holding down a job as a philology professor. Should be an inspiration to everyone with creative aspirations who has a non creative job.
>>7994786
>pic related
>>7994794
>He layed the bricks down for future writers,and you can't deny that.
What a strange meme.
>>7994615
>Boring as shit
No
>The Hobbit is the best book he wrote tbqhYes
>>7994575
Study linguistics. Not only will you become less of a grammar nazi, you'll also fall in love with language in general. The more you study common features between existing languages, the easier it will probably become to begin the process creating your own.
>>7994595
First of all, I understand how in new criticism its important to separate the author from the work, but Tolkien has (had) repeated time and again how annoyed he was over people thinking LOTR was allegorical, he was a fan of applicability.
>>7994584
Sensible words. Now, what the fuck is wrong with you? Are you over 25 or something?
>>7994813
It's interesting. Tolkien was not actually a linguist, but rather a philologist back when philology was still a thing in the British academy. During his career he witnessed (and deplored) the growing division between the study of literature and language
>>7994813
>Study linguistics. Not only will you become less of a grammar nazi, you'll also fall in love with language in general.
I've already been reading a lot about linguistics as an amateur. Unfortunately my first go at university was a disaster so I'm afraid to formally study anything without direct practical benefits.
>>7994836
>Tolkien was not actually a linguist
Um... yeah, he was.
>>7994862
Then study it your own time
>>7994863
He was technically a professor of philology, which is a field that combines aspects of linguistics and literary criticism
>>7994786
>being this mad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAAp_luluo0&index=2&list=FLTEJ5t_IvaODJwECWkyS8_Q
>hes a pretty good rapper
>>7994940
Martin got incinerated.
>>7994595
LoTR is basically a Romantic epic relying heavily on the poetry and mythos of Blake.
Of course it's a fantasy novel so it's primarily just for enjoyment and escapism but if you wanted to look at it through a 'literary' lense this is the correct one. Blake invented the name 'Orc' in Tolkein's context.
>>7994940
holy shit grrm got demolished
>>7994940
Martin got R. R. Rekt.
>>7994940
>I got the prose of a pro, your shit's subpar
>you're a pirate, you even stole my R.R.
Love him.
>>7996092
>le can't have unironic fun man
>>7996092
hey bitter jaded guy who calls everything reddit!
He wrote the greatest story of my childhood. I just ate those books up
Which books unrelated to LotR would you recommend?
>>7994940
>miopic manatee
Why do I find this so fucking funny?
>>7996092
hello!
i'm /reddit/ and i'm posting on your 4chinz and there's nothing you can do about it hahahaha!
>>7996092
Good post Anon, way to show those reddit fags we can't have fun ever or we're reddit!
Will people see works like Lotr and Dune as literaary fiction in the future?
>>7998659
They're already sort of on the edge, I think. I certainly hope so, but I think we'll have to wait for this current generation of literary critics to die off.
Anyone that likes those Epic Rap Battle videos should be clubbed to death for the good of our species.
>>7994615
Best children's story coming through
>>7998363
Hello, Reddit
>>7998826
hello goato
>>7998835
hello goato
>>7998835
Hello goato
>>7998835
hello goato
>>7998835
hello goato
>>7998835
can we stop with these images
>>7997513
By tolkien?
The majority of his stuff was in the LotR universe, although he translated Beowulf and The Legend of Sigurd and Gudrun
He wrote a (unfinished) poem titled The Fall of Arthur
>>7994575
Go listen to music in languages you don't understand, read the lyrics and try to sing along. Once you've found some sounds and word stuctures you like, try getting a phonology together; once you have that babble around trying to stay as close to the limits of the phonology while using all its elements, trying singing along some songs, but in the phonology of your language.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YgmQJkFcJY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE1FzSC8DBs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uImGPVsthzY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfBzz0kvWtU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZiV6bmPLfw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SvxB_NL5cs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2oQhTDuRHQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2kCcJha9Oc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7_1wMuBRfI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7_1wMuBRfI
For grammar you'll need to study things more directly; still mistakes are the best things you'll want to have, because half of keeping something true to reality is knowing what's different and what's not.
>>7999999
>>7994528
did what I wish I could do, more on the linguist side than the authorial side actually, but the linguist side wouldn't be as fun without the exposure he got
